Thanks, it needed saying in no uncertain terms. sorry I'm so blunt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki and The Rors" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:50 PM Subject: Re: how it went. Amen Kerri. Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] how it went. > Now Kathy, you are not whining at all. If we can't bear one another's > burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ, what are we here for? It is true > that a thread does tend to go on a long time with lists but that is because > different time zones, schedules etc. Please don't ever be afraid to post > here. We all get tired and your problems become our problems. No one has a > normal life as our problems are to us what your problems are to you does > this make sense. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:22 PM > Subject: Re: how it went. > > > Hey Vinny, > No, I know that life isn't easy and I"m sorry for being such a winer, if > that's the way that it is coming across. Sometimes, I hesitate to post > because my life just sounds so crazy compared to other people who are > posting. I really fear that other listers are going to grow tired of the > drama here in Maine. I know that there is no instant fix short of Christ, > but this has been building for four years and I'm just growing weary. I > right to you guys to be my Aaron, and Hurr, holding up my hands toward > victory because I am growing tired in the fight. > Kathy > > At 04:57 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote: > >Kathy, > >I have also seen where when God has his hand on someone, he'll just let the > >go for so long, until they come to themself. God has a much longer range > >of > >vision than we have. I'm sure Phil and Sandi would have liked to have > >given > >up on Gretchen along time ago, but look at her now. > >No, it doesn't make what you are going through any easier, I know that, but > >then, (and I say this in humility) did The Lord ever say it would be easy? > >Oh, yes, the prosperity preachers and other false prophets have conditioned > >north American Christians to believe that all you had to do is to say yes > >to > >Jesus and there would be no suffering and then one day we would all be > >whisked off to heaven. Wrong. > > > >Much love and prayers for you all, > > > > Vinny > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]> > >To: <[log in to unmask]> > >Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:07 PM > >Subject: Re: how it went. > > > > > > > Thanks Vinny, > > > It is just so heart breaking to watch all this. I can't imagine how God > > > does it so much with all of us: watch us use our free will to be > > > stupid! > > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > At 02:53 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote: > > > >Hi Kathy, > > > >Well, I'm not a parent, and never have been, but frankly, I have to say > >that > > > >I would continue to monitor and not say a word. > > > >Kind of like what the Lord does with those he is trying to catch. He > > > >watches, and watches, and gives people more rope than they need to hang > > > >themselves. You know the Scripture in Peter where it says that God is > >not > > > >slack, as some men count slackness etc. > > > >There is another scripture somewhere which begins "with the pure, thou > >wilt > > > >show thyself pure. it ends that witht eh froward, God will show himself > > > >Froward etc. > > > >People only think they are getting away with stuff, but it will catch > > > >up > > > >with them, for sure. > > > >Keep diligent until he is 18, or till he gets in more trouble than he > > > >can > > > >wiggle out of. > > > > From a non-parent. > > > >Vinny > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Kathy Du Bois" < > > > >[log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > >To: < > > > >[log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:02 AM > > > >Subject: How it went. > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > Well, I told you that there would be twists and turns. > > > > > Chris > > > >passed the > > > > > drug test. That really shocked us until we got home and monitered > > > > > his > > > > > calls to his girlfriend and his druggy friend and learned that he > >cheated > > > > > and put water in the cup. His girlfriends had told him to make sure > >that > > > > > it was warm, not cold. Chris followed her advice and got another > >clean > > > > > report. Now he thinks that he's in the clear until his court date > >July > > > > > 12th. Last night, I overheard him trying to meet up with another > >dealer > > > >to > > > > > get some weed. Chris is getting money because he is doing some odd > >jobs > > > > > for our neighbor, who doesn't have the greatest reputation either. > >this > > > > > guy pays Chris in cash so we never see it. chris doesn't tell us > > > > > how > >much > > > > > he is getting, so we can't put a finger on how much he has so he can > >keep > > > > > trying to get weed, but pretend to be innocent with us. It's crazy > > > >making. > > > > > I have to admit that, for me, yesterday was a real cricess > >moment > > > >in my > > > > > faith. I believe that we did all the right things. We tried to > > > > > have > > > > > him hold Chris accountable and face the consequences of his > > > > > actions. > > > >Now, > > > > > I wrestle with the question of, "why?" It's that same old question > >that > > > > > God doesn't usually answer, but I'm puzzling over why God let Chris > >get > > > > > away with this? I'm feeling let down by Him! > > > > > Another issue that Greg and I are wrestling with is whether > > > > > or > >not > > > >we > > > > > should let Chris know that he is being monitered so closely by us. > > > > > We > > > > > began monitering when Chris started sneaking out in the middle of > > > > > the > > > >night > > > > > and not telling us where he had been or where he was going and > >refusing > > > >to > > > > > give us the names of his friends. He never seemed to have any money > > > > > a > >nd > > > > > this was odd since he was earning more than $100 a week. He > >wouldn't > > > > > talk to us so we started investigating on our own to try to get a > >handle > > > >on > > > > > things. We've managed to get a couple of people busted and we have > >been > > > > > able to continue to be very aware of Chris's activities: something > > > > > we > > > >feel > > > > > is justified since he is still under our roof and we are still > >completely > > > > > responsible for him. But, I'm interested in your opinions. Would > > > > > you > > > > > tell? Have we fallen into the trap of being deceitful just like > > > > > Chris > >is, > > > > > or are we doing the right thing? You know, in a way, I think about > >how > > > >God > > > > > knows everything too, but He knows what He is doing. He knows what > >is > > > > > right. I need to seek the counsel of others for in that there is > >wisdom. > > > > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 6/23/2005 > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 6/23/2005