Amen Kathy. This e-church is more like a church than many I have attended. These people here care for one another even if we can not do physical help. We do the most powerful of all prayer. Church is not a building but the hearts that are in or out of it. Most churches were started in a heart, than maybe a house or field, than a building. The building is just the container that holds the church. -- Prayer is the bridge between panic and peace. Karen Carter '74 -------------- Original message -------------- > Phil, > The only thing that I disagree with in this post of yours is that > we aren't a church. Oh yes we are!!! We are the best of what Christ > intended His bride to be. I'm glad that we can support George somehow > anyway, with our prayers. If only those buildings out there could see > what brokenness can become in Christ, but then, I guess that they are too > busy to notice. > Kathy > > > At 05:11 PM 4/10/2005, you wrote: > >Kathy and others, > > > >The First Corinthians 5:5 passage is not generally accepted today as part of > >New Testament church doctrine. In fact, the first time I heard about it was > >the missionary to Canada I mentioned and he was a Baptist. I never even > >heard any other Baptist preach on that passage before. It appears from just > >the reading of the passage in context, that Paul was instructing the > >Corinthian Christians what to do about the immorality of one of the church > >members. I don't see that he necessarily told the people to tell them what > >they were going to do but other passages, of course, tell us to do exactly > >that before anything else. It makes little difference because few people > >are literally afraid of God today and what sin can do to a person. > >Deceitfulness is what hardness the person's heart, not sin, according to > >Hebrews 3:13, but read the verse just before it, too. > > > >12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of > >unbelief, in departing from the living God. > >13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you > >be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. > > > >An evil heart of unbelief in a Christian? That's what it says. What are > >they not believing in? It can't be God because it says they are Christians, > >or brethren, so it must be something else. Jesus scolded His disciples more > >than once for not believing and they were his followers. Jesus jumped on > >the disciples both before, and after, the resurrection for their unbelief. > >I still find such amazing. When we believe in something, regardless of what > >that is, it, the thing we believe, even if it is wrong, becomes the truth to > >us. We will act upon what we perceive to be the truth even if what we > >believe is a lie. A person can literally die because they believe a lie is > >the truth. some, who are not Born again, will even go to hell believing a > >lie. > > > >Again, to everyone reading this exchange, I am telling you because, quite > >frankly, we are the only church George and his family has right now. Yeah, > >I know, we aren't really a church, if we were, I'd be taking up offerings > >every week, but we are the Body of Christ. Truthfully, these people have no > >one and they are all alone and without fellow Christian to help them. > > > >You want to know the real truth? Children can destroy a family. The Enemy > >knows this so he picks on the children, sometimes from day one, knowing that > >by such means, he can infiltrate any family. Frankly, I don't care where > >George stands on any passage of Scripture but I do care where Jennifer > >stands. right now, wherever Jennifer stands isn't where she should be > >standing. Whatever it is that is keeping Jennifer silent until death can't > >be anything but a lie. I can think of only three possibilities that would > >cause someone to take death rather than life in the situation Jennifer is in > >right now. We may never get to discover the truth about this one. > > > >A few moments ago, George called me. We talked for five or so minutes. He > >told me that his wife is telling everybody her version of what happened and > >now their own son has turned against his dad. George has been telling me > >for weeks that if Jennifer dies, he will somehow be blamed for it so I guess > >he knows more about what is going on than anybody else. How sad for > >everyone involved and especially for Jennifer. As George was just talking, > >his wife came and got him, she won't talk to him otherwise, plus, Vivian > >hates my guts I have learned, I suppose because she thinks I have put George > >up to everything but she is wrong, of course, and told George to come right > >away because Jennifer nearly fainted. Jennifer can't hardly talk any longer > >and she is, as I type, literally fighting to breathe. > > > >Phil.