Hi. went to the berkeley web site at http://www.berkeley.edu and search for icd2, the interactive drawing program which works with screen readers. heshem camille was doing this project for his phd. you can watch a demo video of how it works. now my question is: do you know where he is, and where can i contact him? so then i can ask when he will make it commercial for me to purchase? as i have to design dfd and erd diagrams in uml, visio or assent. if any one knows where he has move to, please e-mail me off list. cheers Marvin. _________________________________________________________________ In the market for a car? Buy, sell or browse at CarPoint: http://server-au.imrworldwide.com/cgi-bin/b?cg=link&ci=ninemsn&tu=http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au?refid=hotmail_tagline