On Jun 21, 2004, at 11:31 pm, City Monkey wrote: > 660 - 10 oz of fried steak per day (that's like over a pound when it's > raw) > 480 - 4 cups of juice > 523 - 2oz almonds + 1oz pecans > 400 - 4 bananas > 65 - a couple servings of veggies > 150 - other misc fruits > > That's a total of 2,278 calories. That's not enough to support any > activity. Hi, I am new to this discussion, and I've largely let it go by me because I've *never* counted the calories I eat (although I have an idea what is contained in some foods). I'm 21, male, currently working as a postman (2-3 hours carrying and walking daily), and am into martial arts (average about 10 hours a week training). I am about 183cm and 73kg in weight. (About 6' something and 11 stone in old money, I think.) To compare my diet to yours, using your figures as a guide, I eat approximately (trying to keep to your units): 1320 - up to 20z of various meats (chicken, steak, fish, turkey) 0 - no juice 500 - at *most* 3oz of nuts a day, usually less 0 - no bananas (I'm staying off them because I'm trying to reduce fruit intake) 200 - a lot of veg (no idea how many calories so I will be generous) 150 - some fruit, usually one or two satsumas, a pear or peach, maybe 20 grapes Total: 2120 (and I suspect it is less than this). I am pretty young and I consider myself fairly active, and this diet is satisfying for me. What makes you think your body is wrong in telling you how much it needs to eat? One of the most important instincts a human has is to eat the right amount, so I can't imagine you can work out on paper something better than what your body asks for. Personally, I reach saturation point with fish quite quickly. I sometimes eat more than this because my mum is trying to overfeed me (she thinks paleo is an eating disorder because I "cut out so much"), but only a little. I would never dream of taking something as simplistic as a calorie number and use it to decide that I must eat fish to the point of being sick, any more than I would use the carb- or fat-content of foods for the same purpose. When we start doing this, we end up in situations like the published recommended daily calcium intake, which is so high I'm surprised it isn't toxic. Ashley