Hi Everyone; Thanks for the antenna info. I have a few things to consider. Oddly Enough I tried my vertical Saturday 02-14-04 and no luck at all on 40 or 20. The swr was unbelievable. I just for fun tried it again after sending my initial message and go figure the problem temporarily went away. I can only suspect that there was ice or snow somewhere that drastically changed the match. This antenna is tall enough that it tends to wave around a lot in the wind so sooner or later it will need to be replaced. Rich