Jabou, there you go again. "I have observed something very disturbing about us as a people. We tend not to take time to digest what we are given before we proceed to make judgment, and once we make a certain judgment, we stick to it and do not want to hear anything else." Jabou, this is rubbish. You express your views just as any other and the same can be said about anything. Like I said, how you relate to Ebou Jallow is up to you and I never tried to convince you of anything. If you want to believe him at face value then bless your soul, however, that is not for everyone, myself included. The guy has proven his consistency as a liar and a crook and if you choose to still give him the benefit of doubt, then be my guest. What I am not going to accept from you or anyone is to sell that to me. Yes, take the high ground and act like you sit above all else in higher thinking. That may be the problem here. "Does any single individual amongst us have the mandate to be more angry at the APRC criminals than the rest of us, and will online insults and threats really do something other than create a gang style atmosphere of harassment from people who say we want to create a better society for all of us?" Jabou, please save your high horse! What is your purpose in this statement? I think it is very irresponsible of you to reduce my legitimate grievances to anger, just because I do no reason things according to Jabou. My advise to you is let Ebou Jallow fight his battle. Now, if you choose to bat for him at all cost, well I will be here. You can also quote everything I ever said about Ebou, from his mother's grave to...and I still stand by them. I suppose you did not see the names Ebou called myself and others. That is hypocritical and it needs to stop. If you detest how I say or do things, then save yourself from the agony and delete anything with my name. But preaching I will not entertain. Chi Jaama Joe Sambou From: [log in to unmask] Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 10:24:12 am CST Subject: Re: [>-<] COLD CASES: The Evidence Against Ebou Jallow George Sarr, Thanks for the information. My re-posts to jog the memory of Gambians started with ebou Jallow's detailed account of the murder of Koro Ceesay. I sent this re-post from the G-L archives on 12/27/03 in three separate posts, with copies of each of those posts sent to the Gambiapost. The first one was ebou's account of the murder as told to him by Edward Singhatey, followed by a statement of lies by Yankuba Touray and then a moving appeal by Koros' dad. Perhaps the posts did not get through to the post, and I will forward those emails to the post momentarily. Why is it that whenever anyone suggests something that may actually be much more productive than constant insults and threats, the race is on to paint them as defenders of criminals and where they stand on the issues even if this be as clear as daylight is immediately set aside? Does any single individual amongst us have the mandate to be more angry at the APRC criminals than the rest of us, and will online insults and threats really do something other than create a gang style atmosphere of harassment from people who say we want to create a better society for all of us? How one presents onself matters, even in the pursuit of those who have committed crimes against the people. Tangible results will only be obtained in a court of law and one needs evidence and witnesses willing to testify in order to get that. Period! I have observed something very distrubing about us as a people. We tend not to take time to digest what we are given before we proceed to make judgement, and once we make a certain judgement, we stick to it and do not want to hear anything else. this is very evident in this case, and there is a concerted effort to try to paint a horrible picture of anyone who says anything to the contrary as an advocate or enabler of criminals. I am afraid this is not possible in my case because to paint me as an advocate for the criminals of the APRC regime, one would have to be a virtual magician. When I started speaking out against this regime, most prople were sending me private emails and cautioning me to be quiet I am glad that a great number of my compatriots have joined me in this fight. I have intervened in the past when there was incessant referrals to ebou Jallow's mother's grave and how he cannot go home to see it because we are supposed to be a cultured and decent people. I felt that ebou's mother has no fight with the people and we are fighting an injustice committed by ebou and the APRC, so we have to take care not to adopt tactics that place us in an undesirable category that is worse that the criminals we are supposed to be fighting. Referring to ebous' dead mothers' grave will not solve anything and reflects negatively on those who engage in it. The second time i intervened was back in 1999 when ebou first gave his account of what happened to Koro. I advocated that he should turn witness for the people in return perhaps this will give him an opportunity to make a deal with the people. I have alluded to that again in my post last night. This last point is not unheard of, and is something that is used in courts of law by attorneys all the time. Sometimes, one has to be willing to bargain in order to get the ultimate price. For example, Ebou Jallow has given an account of how the murder of Koro took place and who was present. He has said that Edward Singhatey relayed the incident to him and that his former wife had also given him some information over the phone with regard to the happenings surrounding this incident. He has said that he was out of the country at the time. All these things are easily verifiable, are they not? While it is possible that Ebou may have been present at the original planning to murder Koro, the important point to note here is, where did Gambians get this information we have regarding how Koro was killed? It came from Ebou Jallow and nobody else It did not come from any of the people who were present and it has not come from Yaya Jammeh. Lesson number one regarding the importance of having the testimony of those present be they collaborators or otherwise. If he did not tell it to us, we simply would not have the information. How then does this automatically mean that anyone wants to exonerate Ebou or give murderers a passport to kill and then all they have to do is turn state witness. Is that not a stretch for those who want to promote a personal agenda and what good will that do? This does not mean that Ebou may not be more involved, but he clearly knows evidence that pinpoints who did what. So either we attack Ebou verbally constantly which does nothing but show our anger, or we allow him to turn state witness and give us much more valuable evidence to get the actual people who pulled the trigger and did away with the evidence. We can hope that someday when this regime falls, someone can be made to talk, but that is just a slim chance provided that they are still alive given the way these people operate. Even then, some insiders will have to be the ones to give evidence and they may have to be given some incentive to do that. It si all a matter of strategy that will be productive as opposed ot unchecked rage that does nothing at the end of the day. This regime has done a lot of things to which only their inner circle are privy to, and without some of them coming forward to tell us what happened, we may never know. They destroy evidence and do not allow the justice system to operate properly. Let us take these documents for example and follow this story. Ebou details how it was Jammeh who authorized the transfer of the 3 million from the central bank to his account in Geneva. He was authorized to withdraw funds to pay for these counterfeit supplies and brought the change and the supplies back. It is possible that Ebou took the opportunity to do his own stealing, and indeed the Gambia government has announced long ago that they have been given these funds back by the Swiss after the Gambia government were able to convince them that these were state funds that Ebou was sent to handle. Fatou Bom Bensouda made that announcement while she was SOS for justice and I have this from a reliabel opposition source as well, and i posted that information on the L a few weeks ago. Those funds have simply gone from the pocket of the smaller thief to the bigger thief. To demonstrate how rage as opposed to studying the evidence given so far is a leading factor here let us look at what we know about the fate of these funds so far. Up to now, people are still asking where the 3 million is, that Ebou Jallow is living off those monies and then the conflicting allegations that he is working as a bank teller. Why do I mention this? To point out that we need to have less verbally demonstrated rage and a more intelligent approach to this problem so that we do not erode our own credibility in the process. There is no doubt that all involved were stealing Gambian money, and let us not forget that the amount of funds that were received from the Taiwanese was 30+ million dollars, and where did all of it go? However, again, it is only after one of the APRC inner circle, ebou Jallow defected and all of them started pointing fingers at each other that the story came out.Same as in Baba Jobes' case. Baba Jobe knows a heck of a lot about all the dealings of this regime, and he is equally as guilty as anyone of them. Now that they have gone after him and he may talk, the importance of his stories is not lost on the APRC regime who is going to all lengths to silence him as we can all see. The IMF went after the regime and they singled out Baba as the fall guy. If no one listend to him, the real culprits who call the shots and who Baba was serving will get away scot free. Ebou says they sent him to purchase illegal supplies and the APRC regime coun ters with allegations that he absconded with funds meant to purchase commodities which I am sure were not freebies for Gambians. if he was buying commodities, it was for the private enterprise that the APRC was trying to run out of the state house. If true, it was an investment and the commodities would have been for sale to Gambians. No hungry person would have eatend from it if they did not pay for it. Since then, the evidence of Jammeh taking Gambian funds and putting them into his own personal accounts has been compounding. I think that there is not one of us who is not aware by now that the APRC regime is always telling lies to cover their tracks. There are many examples, the many conflicting stories regardign the shooting of the kids, the alleged coup plots which they used to murder Gambians, and more recently, the Baba Jobe case in which they are attempting to use him as a scapegoat for the millions in customs revenue that YDE owes ot the government. It is only after the World bank has been breathing down their necks that Baba was brought forward as a scapegoat.Therefore, anything they have to say cannot be depended upon. The same can also be said for Ebou Jallow. There are accusations and then counter-accusations by the Regime to protect themselves.The articles you forwarded are clear evidence of this George. The questions is, are we thinking clearly enough to make sure that we recognize how we can get the information that is required to bring justice to the people? All the information we have so far is verifiable. International bank transfers have a trail that can be followed. In the end, would the people not prefer to have the evidence on who stole the 30 million and initiated the events that led others to steal also? but I hope that my point is clear. Without insiders who are willing to talk, we will not have the evidence needed to charge anyone in the APRC regime. On the other hand, if anyone has a better idea, i am sure that the people would be happy to hear it. May I add that to those who want to conveniently paint me as a advocate for Ebou Jallow, I do not know Ebou nor have I ever spoken to him. I am trying to advocate a more fruitful way to accomplish bringing bigger criminals to justice. We can register our disapproval of what the APRC has done and continues to do at home, but clear thinking and sensible strategies are the only things that will bring results, not demonstrations of who has the most rage, nor the practice of shutting these people who are willing to talk as soon as they open their mouths. That is only helping the regime and no one else. Jabou Joh _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/CGI/wa.exe?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~