Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Kynn, Obviously there are as many answers as there are "blinks" Most of the "Blinks" I know and work with have a very off hand attitude about all these terms. We call our selves blinks, bats, and "thosee who live and breathe in the world of darkness." (over dramatizing with tongues in cheeks of course). About the only phrase I and most of those I know truly hate is "visually challenged!" A challenge is something one takes on with free will. If there are folks who take on blindness with free will, I don't want to know them. Challenged is, for me, something social workers use when they are trying to lay a guilt trip on one who is not being a nice cooperative little blind one as they desire. end diatribe <G> Of course there is no completely correct answer to your question. big help ain't I <GRIN> Tom Fowle "Lights out blind" Smith-Kettlewell RERC San Francisco Net-Tamer V 1.12.0 - Registered VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List. To join or leave the list, send a message to [log in to unmask] In the body of the message, simply type "subscribe vicug-l" or "unsubscribe vicug-l" without the quotations. VICUG-L is archived on the World Wide Web at http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/vicug-l.html