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In a message dated 2/1/2003 9:38:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> You had a spec writing teacher? In architecture school? No wonder you
> are so jaded!
>
He was the best teacher we had. Told us about a job where, among the rest of
his duties, he was supposed to make sure the right grade of CI waste pipe
was laid underneath a future parking lot. The first day there, he noticed
that the pipe was laid with the grade mark facing down. He asked the
contractor if it was the right pipe, and the contractor said "yes." The next
day, they had laid the rest of the pipe in a similar fashion, and again the
contractor assured him it was the right grade. The contractor asked if he
could backfill the trench on the third day, and he said "sure, as long as
you've laid the right pipe." So on the fourth day, he had the contractor
reexcavate the entire pipe run, because he had felt along the underside of
the pipe for the grade mark, and saw that it was wrong on the first day.
Yes!!!
I think I've told this story to the Pinheads before, and my apologies to
those with sufficient operable brain cells to remember it from last time
around.
And he did say that we better pray that anybody who fell into an asphalt
kettle died, and died quickly.
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You had a spec writing teacher? In architecture school? No wonder you<BR>
are so jaded!<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
He was the best teacher we had. Told us about a job where, among the rest of his duties, he was supposed to make sure the right grade of CI waste pipe was laid underneath a future parking lot. The first day there, he noticed that the pipe was laid with the grade mark facing down. He asked the contractor if it was the right pipe, and the contractor said "yes." The next day, they had laid the rest of the pipe in a similar fashion, and again the contractor assured him it was the right grade. The contractor asked if he could backfill the trench on the third day, and he said "sure, as long as you've laid the right pipe." So on the fourth day, he had the contractor reexcavate the entire pipe run, because he had felt along the underside of the pipe for the grade mark, and saw that it was wrong on the first day. Yes!!!<BR>
<BR>
I think I've told this story to the Pinheads before, and my apologies to those with sufficient operable brain cells to remember it from last time around. <BR>
<BR>
And he did say that we better pray that anybody who fell into an asphalt kettle died, and died quickly.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 21:21:38 -0600
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I'm amazed. So...you fit right in with the architects that you=20
encounter?
(Okay, I challenge the need to wait until the backfill has begun to=20
announce that you know the pipe is wrong...but let's not go there=20
today.)
-jc
On Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 08:58 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/1/2003 9:38:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
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> You had a spec writing teacher?=A0 In architecture school?=A0 No =
wonder you
> are so jaded!
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>
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> He was the best teacher we had.=A0 Told us about a job where, among =
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> contractor said "yes."=A0 The next day, they had laid the rest of the=20=
> pipe in a similar fashion, and again the contractor assured him it was=20=
> the right grade. The contractor asked if he could backfill the trench=20=
> on the third day, and he said "sure, as long as you've laid the right=20=
> pipe."=A0 So on the fourth day, he had the contractor reexcavate the=20=
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Yes!!!
>
> I think I've told this story to the Pinheads before, and my apologies=20=
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> And he did say that we better pray that anybody who fell into an=20
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I'm amazed. So...you fit right in with the architects that you
encounter?
(Okay, I challenge the need to wait until the backfill has begun to
announce that you know the pipe is wrong...but let's not go there
today.)
-jc
On Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 08:58 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
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2/1/2003 9:38:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>You had a spec writing teacher?=A0 In
architecture school?=A0 No wonder you
are so jaded!
He was the best teacher we had.=A0 Told us about a job where, among the
rest of his=A0 duties, he was supposed to make sure the right grade of
CI waste pipe was laid underneath a future parking lot.=A0 The first day
there, he noticed that the pipe was laid with the grade mark facing
down.=A0 He asked the contractor if it was the right pipe, and the
contractor said "yes."=A0 The next day, they had laid the rest of the
pipe in a similar fashion, and again the contractor assured him it was
the right grade. The contractor asked if he could backfill the trench
on the third day, and he said "sure, as long as you've laid the right
pipe."=A0 So on the fourth day, he had the contractor reexcavate the
entire pipe run, because he had felt along the underside of the pipe
for the grade mark, and saw that it was wrong on the first day.=A0 =
Yes!!!
I think I've told this story to the Pinheads before, and my apologies
to those with sufficient operable brain cells to remember it from last
time around.
And he did say that we better pray that anybody who fell into an
asphalt kettle died, and died quickly.
Ralph
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Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 22:20:47 -0800
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Yes, because the victim certainly will. Have you ever spilled boiling
syrup on your hand? Of course not, city folks don't sugar. I can tell you
it burns like hell and you can't get it off. Think what tar would be like.
Ruth
At 7:58 PM -0500 2/1/03, Ralph Walter wrote:
Our Spec writing teacher, while on the topic of workplace injuries, told us
that if we ever had a job where a workman fell into an asphalt kettle, we
should pray the the guy was killed rather than injured.
Ralph
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jc, mail program is fine, just dump the vCard. Ruth
At 8:33 PM -0600 2/1/03, John Callan wrote:
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>I'm not sure. I have started using a new mail program in that last
>couple of weeks. Its called, "Mail". It comes with ".Mac". I've
>attached a "vCard" also. That could be what you are seeing as an
>attachment. If its a problem I suppose I could switch back to
>Netscape, but I've really become quite fond of this program.
>
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Better?
-jc
On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 12:24 AM, Ruth Barton wrote:
> jc, mail program is fine, just dump the vCard. Ruth
>
>
>
> At 8:33 PM -0600 2/1/03, John Callan wrote:
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>> I'm not sure. I have started using a new mail program in that last
>> couple of weeks. Its called, "Mail". It comes with ".Mac". I've
>> attached a "vCard" also. That could be what you are seeing as an
>> attachment. If its a problem I suppose I could switch back to
>> Netscape, but I've really become quite fond of this program.
>>
>> -jc
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Met History=20
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 5:23 PM
Subject: From Brooklyn Standard Union, June 7, 1907...
MAN BOILED TO DEATH IN TAR
John, BOLAND, 34 years old, of 889 Grand street, was boiled to death
early this morning at the plant of the Barber Asphalt Company on
Stagg street and Varick avenue, while he was mixing asphalt.
cheery news, from close to 100 years ago;
the more things change, the more they stay the same.....
Jan. 8, 2003, 12:16AM
Danger, death at Tyler pipe plant
Safety ignored in name of profit
By DAVID BARSTOW and LOWELL BERGMAN
New York Times=20
TYLER -- It is said that only the desperate seek work at Tyler Pipe, a =
sprawling, rusting pipe foundry out on Route 69. Behind a metal fence =
lies a dim, dirty, hellishly hot workplace where men are regularly =
disfigured by amputations and burns, where turnover is so high that =
convicts are recruited from local prisons, where some workers urinate in =
their pants because their bosses refuse to let them step away from the =
manufacturing line for even a few moments.=20
Rolan Hoskin was desperate. His life was a tailspin of unemployment, =
debt and divorce. A master electrician, 48, he had taken an entry-level =
maintenance job at Tyler Pipe.=20
He would come home drained and dreading the next shift. "I don't know if =
I'm going to last another week," his twin brother recalls him saying. =
The job scared him, but the pay was decent, just under $10 an hour.=20
On June 29, 2000, Hoskin descended into a pit under a huge molding =
machine and set to work on a conveyor belt that carried sand.=20
Federal regulations require safety guards on conveyor belts to prevent =
workers from getting caught and crushed.=20
But this belt was not protected by metal safety guards. It wasn't even =
shut down. Hoskin had been trained to adjust the belt while it was still =
running. Less downtime that way.=20
Hoskin was found on his knees. His left arm had been crushed first, the =
skin torn off. His head had been pulled between belt and rollers. His =
skull had split.=20
It was not just a conveyor belt that claimed Hoskin's life. He also fell =
victim to a way of doing business that has produced vast profits and, as =
the plant's owners have admitted in federal court, deliberate =
indifference to the safety of workers at Tyler Pipe.=20
Hoskin worked for McWane Inc., a privately held company based in =
Birmingham, Ala., that owns Tyler Pipe. It is one of the world's largest =
manufacturers of cast-iron sewer and water pipe. It is also one of the =
most dangerous employers in America, according to a nine-month =
examination by The New York Times, the PBS television program Frontline =
and the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.=20
Since 1995, at least 4,600 injuries have been recorded in McWane =
foundries. Nine workers, including Hoskin, have been killed. McWane =
plants, which employ about 5,000 workers, have been cited for more than =
400 federal health and safety violations.=20
McWane declined repeated requests for interviews. But in a series of =
written responses, the company's president, G. Ruffner Page, =
acknowledged "serious mistakes" and expressed deep regret for Hoskin's =
death. "Our intensified focus on safety speaks to lessons learned," he =
wrote.=20
Employees describe entering the plant as an overwhelming experience. =
First is the heat, sometimes in excess of 130 degrees. Then the noise -- =
pipe slamming into pipe, pneumatic tools that grind and cut. Dust and =
fumes choke the lungs.=20
In late 1995, the Tyler Corp. sold the foundry to McWane. Within weeks, =
senior executives flew in from Birmingham and cut nearly two-thirds of =
the employees, yet insisted that production continue apace. They =
eliminated quality control inspectors and safety inspectors, pollution =
control personnel and relief workers.=20
Instead of three shifts of eight hours, everyone would work one of two =
12-hour shifts. But employees often worked 16-hour days, sometimes seven =
days a week.=20
Men who operated one machine were ordered to operate three at a time. =
Breaks were allowed only if a relief worker was available, but McWane =
had reduced the number of relief workers. The policy hit hardest near =
iron-pouring stations, where workers had to drink plenty of fluids to =
withstand the heat. The humiliating result was that men were sometimes =
forced to urinate in their pants.=20
But profits soared. Managers were told that Tyler Pipe earned more than =
$50 million in 1996 -- double the profits for the five-year period =
before McWane arrived.=20
Four years after the takeover, inspectors from the federal Occupational =
Safety and Health Administration found more than 150 safety hazards.
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don't like that one? try this one: =
http://my.execpc.com/~wiscoshm/work.html
or http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0149.pdf (or anything from =
http://www.bls.gov/bls/safety.htm )
or http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5016a2.htm
or one of my personal favorites, Gary Oak, may he rest in peace, a =
workplace acquaintance of my husband: =
http://wcpo.com/news/2002/local/11/15/train.html=20
and that's just in the US, where there are laws to protect workers and =
the environment...
just think what it must be like in China, or Myanmar, or any number of =
places where adults and children labor for pennies a day without =
protection, to produce inexpensive consumer goods for world trade
got a revolution? it's probably going to take one.....
deb
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morning at=20
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<H3>Safety ignored in name of profit</H3>
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</DIV>
<P>TYLER -- It is said that only the desperate seek work at Tyler Pipe, =
a=20
sprawling, rusting pipe foundry out on Route 69. Behind a metal fence =
lies a=20
dim, dirty, hellishly hot workplace where men are regularly disfigured =
by=20
amputations and burns, where turnover is so high that convicts are =
recruited=20
from local prisons, where some workers urinate in their pants because =
their=20
bosses refuse to let them step away from the manufacturing line for even =
a few=20
moments.=20
<P>Rolan Hoskin was desperate. His life was a tailspin of unemployment, =
debt and=20
divorce. A master electrician, 48, he had taken an entry-level =
maintenance job=20
at Tyler Pipe.=20
<P>He would come home drained and dreading the next shift. "I don't know =
if I'm=20
going to last another week," his twin brother recalls him saying. The =
job scared=20
him, but the pay was decent, just under $10 an hour.=20
<P>On June 29, 2000, Hoskin descended into a pit under a huge molding =
machine=20
and set to work on a conveyor belt that carried sand.=20
<P>Federal regulations require safety guards on conveyor belts to =
prevent=20
workers from getting caught and crushed.=20
<P>But this belt was not protected by metal safety guards. It wasn't =
even shut=20
down. Hoskin had been trained to adjust the belt while it was still =
running.=20
Less downtime that way.=20
<P>Hoskin was found on his knees. His left arm had been crushed first, =
the skin=20
torn off. His head had been pulled between belt and rollers. His skull =
had=20
split.=20
<P>It was not just a conveyor belt that claimed Hoskin's life. He also =
fell=20
victim to a way of doing business that has produced vast profits and, as =
the=20
plant's owners have admitted in federal court, deliberate indifference =
to the=20
safety of workers at Tyler Pipe.=20
<P>Hoskin worked for McWane Inc., a privately held company based in =
Birmingham,=20
Ala., that owns Tyler Pipe. It is one of the world's largest =
manufacturers of=20
cast-iron sewer and water pipe. It is also one of the most dangerous =
employers=20
in America, according to a nine-month examination by The New York Times, =
the PBS=20
television program <I>Frontline</I> and the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.=20
<P>Since 1995, at least 4,600 injuries have been recorded in McWane =
foundries.=20
Nine workers, including Hoskin, have been killed. McWane plants, which =
employ=20
about 5,000 workers, have been cited for more than 400 federal health =
and safety=20
violations.=20
<P>McWane declined repeated requests for interviews. But in a series of =
written=20
responses, the company's president, G. Ruffner Page, acknowledged =
"serious=20
mistakes" and expressed deep regret for Hoskin's death. "Our intensified =
focus=20
on safety speaks to lessons learned," he wrote.=20
<P>Employees describe entering the plant as an overwhelming experience. =
First is=20
the heat, sometimes in excess of 130 degrees. Then the noise -- pipe =
slamming=20
into pipe, pneumatic tools that grind and cut. Dust and fumes choke the =
lungs.=20
<P>In late 1995, the Tyler Corp. sold the foundry to McWane. Within =
weeks,=20
senior executives flew in from Birmingham and cut nearly two-thirds of =
the=20
employees, yet insisted that production continue apace. They eliminated =
quality=20
control inspectors and safety inspectors, pollution control personnel =
and relief=20
workers.=20
<P>Instead of three shifts of eight hours, everyone would work one of =
two=20
12-hour shifts. But employees often worked 16-hour days, sometimes seven =
days a=20
week.=20
<P>Men who operated one machine were ordered to operate three at a time. =
Breaks=20
were allowed only if a relief worker was available, but McWane had =
reduced the=20
number of relief workers. The policy hit hardest near iron-pouring =
stations,=20
where workers had to drink plenty of fluids to withstand the heat. The=20
humiliating result was that men were sometimes forced to urinate in =
their pants.=20
<P>But profits soared. Managers were told that Tyler Pipe earned more =
than $50=20
million in 1996 -- double the profits for the five-year period before =
McWane=20
arrived.=20
<P>Four years after the takeover, inspectors from the federal =
Occupational=20
Safety and Health Administration found more than 150 safety hazards.
<P>*****************************
<P>don't like that one? try this one: <A=20
href=3D"http://my.execpc.com/~wiscoshm/work.html">http://my.execpc.com/~w=
iscoshm/work.html</A>
<P>or <A=20
href=3D"http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0149.pdf">http://www.bls.go=
v/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0149.pdf</A> =20
(or anything from <A=20
href=3D"http://www.bls.gov/bls/safety.htm">http://www.bls.gov/bls/safety.=
htm</A> )
<P>or <A=20
href=3D"http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5016a2.htm">http://www=
.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5016a2.htm</A>
<P>or one of my personal favorites, Gary Oak, may he rest in peace, a=20
workplace acquaintance of my husband: <A=20
href=3D"http://wcpo.com/news/2002/local/11/15/train.html">http://wcpo.com=
/news/2002/local/11/15/train.html</A>
<P>and that's just in the US, where there are laws to protect workers =
and the=20
environment...
<DIV>just think what it must be like in China, or Myanmar, or any number =
of=20
places where adults and children labor for pennies a day without =
protection, to=20
produce inexpensive consumer goods for world trade</DIV>
<P>got a revolution? it's probably going to take one.....
<P>
<P>deb
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It's still there. Ruth
At 9:31 PM -0600 2/1/03, John Callan wrote:
>Better?
>
>-jc
>
>On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 12:24 AM, Ruth Barton wrote:
>
>> jc, mail program is fine, just dump the vCard. Ruth
>>
>>
>>
>> At 8:33 PM -0600 2/1/03, John Callan wrote:
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>>> I'm not sure. I have started using a new mail program in that last
>>> couple of weeks. Its called, "Mail". It comes with ".Mac". I've
>>> attached a "vCard" also. That could be what you are seeing as an
>>> attachment. If its a problem I suppose I could switch back to
>>> Netscape, but I've really become quite fond of this program.
>>>
>>> -jc
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> Four years after the takeover, inspectors from the federal Occupational
> Safety and Health Administration found more than 150 safety hazards.
>
>
Yeah, if you think the idiots at OSHA are going to help eliminate these
problems you're sadly mistaken. That organization is nothing but a waste of
taxpayers money. In 2001 I sent a letter to the local office here complaining
of hazardous conditions in this chemical plant. Prior to this letter, a
worker was burned with a 320 degrees acidic liquid, another employee received
a chemical burn while walking past a scale tank holding sulfuric acid That
had over flowed. The pump is supposed to stop pumping the acid at a
predetermined weight. OSHA never showed up one time. They soon came out after
my letter and conducted an audit of the plant that utilizes 96-98% sulfuric
acid, 35-37% fuming hydrochloric acid and 50% caustic soda in the
manufacturing process. Although some items were taken care of most were right
back to normal soon after their visit. Also the fines levied against the
company were all reduced substantially after OSHA's return visit. Screw
corporate America and OSHA. I would like to say a couple of other things but
we have been instructed to clean it up. So, I will refrain from speaking my
mind. Well, is everyone having a nice day? Breathe in and out, it sure is
beautiful outside today, breathe in and out. Hey, I'm okay know. Thanks Deb
for the story. I needed something to give me that extra spark.
Steve
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0">In a message dated 2/2/2003 3:52:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Four years after the takeover, inspectors from the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration found more than 150 safety hazards. <BR>
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Yeah, if you think the idiots at OSHA are going to help eliminate these problems you're sadly mistaken. That organization is nothing but a waste of taxpayers money. In 2001 I sent a letter to the local office here complaining of hazardous conditions in this chemical plant. Prior to this letter, a worker was burned with a 320 degrees acidic liquid, another employee received a chemical burn while walking past a scale tank holding sulfuric acid That had over flowed. The pump is supposed to stop pumping the acid at a predetermined weight. OSHA never showed up one time. They soon came out after my letter and conducted an audit of the plant that utilizes 96-98% sulfuric acid, 35-37% fuming hydrochloric acid and 50% caustic soda in the manufacturing process. Although some items were taken care of most were right back to normal soon after their visit. Also the fines levied against the company were all reduced substantially after OSHA's return visit. Screw corporate America and OSHA. I would like to say a couple of other things but we have been instructed to clean it up. So, I will refrain from speaking my mind. Well, is everyone having a nice day? Breathe in and out, it sure is beautiful outside today, breathe in and out. Hey, I'm okay know. Thanks Deb for the story. I needed something to give me that extra spark. <BR>
<BR>
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In a message dated 2/2/2003 12:52:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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> and that's just in the US, where there are laws to protect workers and the
> environment... just think what it must be like in China, or Myanmar, or any
> number of places where adults and children labor for pennies a day without
> protection, to produce inexpensive consumer goods for world trade
>
>
> got a revolution? it's probably going to take one.....
>
>
>
> deb
>
>
Yeah, it's a third Party called "We The People."
Mark
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">and that's just in the US, where there are laws to protect workers and the environment... just think what it must be like in China, or Myanmar, or any number of places where adults and children labor for pennies a day without protection, to produce inexpensive consumer goods for world trade<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
got a revolution? it's probably going to take one..... <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
deb <BR>
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<BR>
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In a message dated 2/1/2003 7:31:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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> Better?
>
> -jc
>
Much better. I got fooled, too.
MJ
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Callan=20
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Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 6:38 PM
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You ? In school? No wonder jaded!
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Dear historic woody people,
I am currently rebuilding a floor in a pioneer building of 1877, =
originally a store along a pack-horse trail leading to gold fields. =
Some of the joists have started to collapse due to carpenter ant =
intrusion and the induced rot. The floor was built totally detached =
from the log walls of the building, apparently installed after the =
building was up. The floor joists were laid right on the levelled =
ground with only shimming rocks and no crawl space. The only way to =
replace the joists has been to take the floor apart from the top down, =
carefully removing several layers of flooring added over the years with =
the intent of replacing them if appropriate at the end of the project. =
When the original whipsawn floor boards were finally removed, well =
packed earth revealed where the original entry door had been. Between =
the packed earth and the wood floor above, in the 6" space created by =
the squared joists, there was a pile of wood chips from the joist =
hewing. Laying in the chips, centred right in front of the entry door =
spot, was a horse shoe, neatly lined up with the entry alignment. It =
looked as though it had been placed there before the new floorboards =
were fastened down.
Question: Does anyone know of a tradition of placing a Good Luck =
Horseshoe below the threshold of a new building?
cp in very rustic bc
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear historic woody =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am currently rebuilding a floor in a =
pioneer=20
building of 1877, originally a store along a pack-horse trail leading to =
gold=20
fields. Some of the joists have started to collapse due to =
carpenter=20
ant intrusion and the induced rot. The floor was built =
totally=20
detached from the log walls of the building, apparently installed after =
the=20
building was up. The floor joists were laid right on the =
levelled=20
ground with only shimming rocks and no crawl space. The only way =
to=20
replace the joists has been to take the floor apart from the top down, =
carefully=20
removing several layers of flooring added over the years with the intent =
of=20
replacing them if appropriate at the end of the project. =
When the=20
original whipsawn floor boards were finally removed, well packed earth =
revealed=20
where the original entry door had been. Between the packed =
earth and=20
the wood floor above, in the 6" space created by the squared =
joists,=20
there was a pile of wood chips from the joist hewing. =
Laying in=20
the chips, centred right in front of the entry door spot, was a =
horse shoe,=20
neatly lined up with the entry alignment. It looked as =
though it had=20
been placed there before the new floorboards were fastened =
down.</FONT></DIV>
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tradition of=20
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Of course the horseshoe over the door is pretty common, but under the
floor? I've also heard of placing the eye of an ox in a mortice by the
door of the barn when it is raised.
In the Black Forest area in Germany it was tradition to roast the ox
that was used to haul the timbers for a new barn house, then hang it's
head from the rafter peaks inside the barn for good luck and leave it
there. They had no chimneys so the smoke from the fires would preserve
it.
Rudy
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Subject: Good Luck Horseshoes?
Dear historic woody people,
I am currently rebuilding a floor in a pioneer building of 1877,
originally a store along a pack-horse trail leading to gold fields.
Some of the joists have started to collapse due to carpenter ant
intrusion and the induced rot. The floor was built totally detached
from the log walls of the building, apparently installed after the
building was up. The floor joists were laid right on the levelled
ground with only shimming rocks and no crawl space. The only way to
replace the joists has been to take the floor apart from the top down,
carefully removing several layers of flooring added over the years with
the intent of replacing them if appropriate at the end of the project.
When the original whipsawn floor boards were finally removed, well
packed earth revealed where the original entry door had been. Between
the packed earth and the wood floor above, in the 6" space created by
the squared joists, there was a pile of wood chips from the joist
hewing. Laying in the chips, centred right in front of the entry door
spot, was a horse shoe, neatly lined up with the entry alignment. It
looked as though it had been placed there before the new floorboards
were fastened down.
Question: Does anyone know of a tradition of placing a Good Luck
Horseshoe below the threshold of a new building?
cp in very rustic bc
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Of course the horseshoe over the =
door is
pretty common, but under the floor? I’ve also heard of placing the =
eye of
an ox in a mortice by the door of the barn when it is =
raised.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In the Black Forest area in Germany =
it was
tradition to roast the ox that was used to haul the timbers for a new =
barn
house, then hang it’s head from the rafter peaks inside the barn =
for good
luck and leave it there. They had no chimneys so the smoke from the =
fires would
preserve it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> "Let us not =
speak foul
in folly!" - ]<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Cuyler Page<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February =
03, 2003
6:15 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Good Luck =
Horseshoes?</span></font></p>
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dear historic woody =
people,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am currently rebuilding a =
floor in
a pioneer building of 1877, originally a store along a pack-horse trail =
leading
to gold fields. Some of the joists have started to collapse =
due to
carpenter ant intrusion and the induced rot. The floor was =
built
totally detached from the log walls of the building, apparently =
installed after
the building was up. The floor joists were laid right on the
levelled ground with only shimming rocks and no crawl space. The =
only way
to replace the joists has been to take the floor apart from the top =
down,
carefully removing several layers of flooring added over the years with =
the
intent of replacing them if appropriate at the end of the =
project.
When the original whipsawn floor boards were finally removed, well =
packed earth
revealed where the original entry door had been. Between the =
packed
earth and the wood floor above, in the 6" space created by
the squared joists, there was a pile of wood chips from the =
joist
hewing. Laying in the chips, centred right in front of the =
entry
door spot, was a horse shoe, neatly lined up with the entry
alignment. It looked as though it had been placed there =
before the
new floorboards were fastened down.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Question: Does anyone =
know of
a tradition of placing a Good Luck Horseshoe below the threshold of a =
new
building?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>cp in very rustic =
bc</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Do those Krauts know how to show their gratitude, or what?
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 09:57:40 -0500
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In a message dated 2/3/2003 8:52:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> In the Black Forest area in Germany it was tradition to roast the ox that was used to haul the timbers for a new barn house, then hang it’s head from the rafter peaks inside the
> barn for good luck and leave it there.
And pray to the Gods that you didn't have to haul lumber anytime soon.
Twyb.
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:24:39 -0500
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I read Savannah Steve's searing remarks about OSHA, and while I am
sympathetic to the cause, I would place the blame elsewhere.
First of all, who among us is really shocked--SHOCKED!!-- to learn
that there are government employees who are either too lazy to do
their jobs properly or who are being prevented from doing their jobs
properly due to political pressures from above?
Second, just recently, wasn't it the consensus on this listserv that a
person working for the State of Mississippi who suspected his boss of
wrongdoing should shut up, eat crap and keep his job? My comment was
and is that we deserve the system we get. If nobody sticks their neck
out to fight when something is wrong, there are terrible
repercussions. Just look at our headlines in 2002. The stock market
frauds represent a looting of America by well-connected folks who paid
to get rules rewritten in their interest at the expense of the public
interest. If the public doesn't squawk, nothing will be changed. If we
are individually lazy and allow them to feed us crap, crap will most
certainly be the only item on the menu.
Finally, a bit of balance from an employer's perspective. OSHA can be
and should an agency protecting the safety and health of employees,
but should not be punishing every employer for the malfeasance of a
few rotten ones. There is an ideal balance to beachieved between
protecting workers and not encumbering employers, particularly small
employers, with tremendous amounts of paperwork. In our dealings with
OSHA to date, we have found them reasonable. They have addressed
specific questions with clarity and focus and we were able to respond
in kind.
The listserv may be shocked -- SHOCKED!! -- to learn that there are
also government employees who do their jobs well and are able to
maintain the balanced perspective which is the stated policy of their
agency.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:14:28 -0800
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IPTW 2003 Call for Demonstrators and Presenters
The Preservation Trades Network is inviting all those engaged or
interested in the preservation crafts and trades to submit proposals for
being included on the program for the 7th annual International
Preservation Trades Workshops (IPTW 2003), which will be held at at the
Blandair Farm near Ellicott City, Maryland and is co-sponsored with PTN
by the Howard County Department of Parks and Recreation.
If you are interested in demonstrating a particular preservation-related
trade skill or craft technique, please send a description of the
demonstration and several photographs of yourself engaged in that work,
as well as photographs of the finished product. Please include a copy of
your resume, if you have one.
If you would like to present a seminar or lead a workshop session,
please provide the name of the topic, a brief outline or abstract of the
presentation, and a copy of your resume. Preference will be given to
seminars that feature hands-on componentg, strong visuals, or that
relate specifically to the the needs of the preservation trades community.
Proposals should be sent to PTN, at the address listed below, by June 1,
2003. Proposals (including photographs) will not be returned.
More information about this year s IPTW is available at www.ptn.org, by
e-mail at [log in to unmask], or by writing to Preservation Trades Network,
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:15:20 -0800
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Updates have been made to the PTN website including information and
photos of Blandair, the Maryland site for IPTW 2003 and a brief report
on the 2003 PTN Strategic Retreat. Please visit www.ptn.org and check
the New and Noteworthy page. Planned updates in the near future for the
PTN website include a Member's Only section [PTN Toolbox] and a Bulletin
Board for use of PTN members.
Please bookmark and revisit the PTN website frequently.
Ken Follett, Web Editor
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:36:05 -0500
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Hey Gab,
You might try downsizing the images before uploading to the site. Once
they're downloaded, you have to scroll to view them and you can only see
about 25% at a time.
Great shots!
Rude
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Updates have been made to the PTN website including information and
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on the 2003 PTN Strategic Retreat. Please visit www.ptn.org and check
the New and Noteworthy page. Planned updates in the near future for the
PTN website include a Member's Only section [PTN Toolbox] and a Bulletin
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Please bookmark and revisit the PTN website frequently.
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:54:21 EST
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Hey, Brooklyn observers ...
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...anyone know what's happening with the 1930 movie palace Loew's Pitkin
Theater/later 3 Guys Furniture, 1501 Pitkin Ave. @NW cor. Saratoga? I have a
report of substantial construction activity on the building, but am too busy
reading all the posts about OSHA to go out there.
Christopher
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>Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 09:57:40 -0500
>
>In a message dated 2/3/2003 8:52:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
> > In the Black Forest area in Germany it was tradition to roast the ox
>that was used to haul the timbers for a new barn house, then hang it’s
>head from the rafter peaks inside the
> > barn for good luck and leave it there.
>
>And pray to the Gods that you didn't have to haul lumber anytime soon.
>
>Twyb.
>
One thing about those Germans, when its "Miller Time", they know how to
relax!
Nick
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In a message dated 2/3/2003 2:37:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> One thing about those Germans, when its "Miller Time", they know how to
> relax!
>
>
You just want to be careful while they're looking around for something to
throw on the Barbie, Klaus.
Ralph
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You just want to be careful while they're looking around for something to throw on the Barbie, Klaus.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:01:47 -0500
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> > One thing about those Germans, when its "Miller Time", they know how to
> > relax!
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> >
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>You just want to be careful while they're looking around for something to
>throw on the Barbie, Klaus.
>
>Ralph
Ouch!!
Nick
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:17:56 -0500
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well I don't feel so dumb--
for years I've been nailing money to jobs- though I don't too much
actual nailing anymore...
I still try to see that on the first day we run track that some change-
preferably from the current year is nailed down....
Yes I know that driving a concrete pin through a quarter kind of
devalues it for future numismatics I also tend to toss some change into
concrete pours...
Picked the habit up from a furniture guy who screwed pennies from the
year he mad a piece to the piece, being a furniture guy he was more
careful and ran 3-4 screws around the perimiter of hte coin..
Years ago a partner of mine found a roll of uncirculated liberty dimes
from the Denver Mint, in a bar we were remodelling in Denver- he was
less than understanding of the whole partnership thing from that moment
on..
He ended up w/ a new used pick-up..
and I ended up w/ his girlfriend...
well at least he didn't have to borrow my truck when he moved out of her
house...
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:34:02 EST
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Subject: The Once-Delicate Terra Cotta on the Vanderbilt Hotel at 34th &
Park..
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..., designed by Warren & Wetmore and built in 1912, has been gradually
stripped away over the last several decades. Is any B-P subscriber the
guilty party? Or would you like to rat on your colleague?
Christopher Gray
"Streetscapes" Columnist, Sunday Real Estate Section
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<BR>
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:43:39 EST
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Subject: You've come a long way, baby...
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From the Brooklyn Union-Argus, Monday July 7, 1879:
A Baby's Miraculous Escape -- Ellen ENGERMAN, thirteen months old, fell=20
yesterday afternoon from a third story window of No. 324 Myrtle avenue.=A0=20=
On=20
the way down, she struck a cornice, and finally landed on the sidewalk.=A0=20=
Dr.=20
KUHN pronounced Ellen unhurt but would not warrant her for a second fall.
{Transcribed by Kathy Jost-Shouse }
On a 1930's glass block apartment house at 83rd & Madison, a baby fell from=20=
a=20
7th floor window around 1980. Because the infant hit the top of the angled=20
store window awning, it survived with only a bruise. The store replaced the=
=20
awning about two weeks later - with the newer style awning - with fabric onl=
y=20
on the vertical sides ... but no fabric on the top.=20
Sign me, Treat Your Children Well, Their Parents' Hell....
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<BR>From the Brooklyn Union-Argus, Monday July 7, 1879:
<BR>
<BR>A Baby's Miraculous Escape -- Ellen ENGERMAN, thirteen month=
s old, fell yesterday afternoon from a third story window of No. 324 M=
yrtle avenue.=A0 On the way down, she struck a cornice, and finally la=
nded on the sidewalk.=A0 Dr. KUHN pronounced Ellen unhurt but would no=
t warrant her for a second fall.
<BR>{Transcribed by Kathy Jost-Shouse }
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<BR>On a 1930's glass block apartment house at 83rd & Madison, a baby fe=
ll from a 7th floor window around 1980. Because the infant hit the top of th=
e angled store window awning, it survived with only a bruise. The stor=
e replaced the awning about two weeks later - with the newer style awning -=20=
with fabric only on the vertical sides ... but no fabric on the top.=20
<BR>
<BR>Sign me, Treat Your Children Well, Their Parents' Hell....</FONT><=
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:02:49 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Good Luck Horseshoes?
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In a message dated 2/3/2003 3:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Ouch!!
>
> Nick
>
That's why they call you Nick, huh?
Ralph
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<BR>
Nick<BR>
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That's why they call you Nick, huh?<BR>
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:05:50 EST
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Subject: Re: The Once-Delicate Terra Cotta on the Vanderbilt Hotel at 34th
& Park..
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In a message dated 2/3/2003 3:34:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> ..., designed by Warren &Wetmore and built in 1912, has been gradually
> stripped away over the last several decades. Is any B-P subscriber the
> guilty party? Or would you like to rat on your colleague?
>
Chrif,
Chalk it up to Progress.
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">..., designed by Warren &Wetmore and built in 1912, has been gradually stripped away over the last several decades. Is any B-P subscriber the guilty party? Or would you like to rat on your colleague? <BR>
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Chrif,<BR>
<BR>
Chalk it up to Progress.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:09:43 EST
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Subject: Re: You've come a long way, baby...
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In a message dated 2/3/2003 3:44:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Dr. KUHN pronounced Ellen unhurt but would not warrant her for a second
> fall.
>
Yes, indeed, doctors' fears of malpractice claims are an entirely new
phenomenon arising directly out of the rapacious malpractice bar.
How come nobody said not to try this at home?
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 2/3/2003 3:44:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">Dr. KUHN pronounced Ellen unhurt but would not warrant her for a second fall. <BR>
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Yes, indeed, doctors' fears of malpractice claims are an entirely new phenomenon arising directly out of the rapacious malpractice bar.<BR>
<BR>
How come nobody said not to try this at home?<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:20:12 -0500
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Subject: Re: Good Luck Horseshoes?
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And we all remember the October Horse. In Rome they used to parade the
two best warrior stallions. The most magnificent and fastest steed was
then sacrificed.
Best,
Leland
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In a message dated 2/3/2003 8:53:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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In the Black Forest area in Germany it was tradition to roast the ox
that was used to haul the timbers for a new barn house, then hang it's
head from the rafter peaks inside the barn for good luck and leave it
there. They had no chimneys so the smoke from the fires would preserve
it.
Do those Krauts know how to show their gratitude, or what?
Ralph
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<DIV><SPAN class=296321823-03022003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>And we all
remember the October Horse. In Rome they used to parade the two best
warrior stallions. The most magnificent and fastest steed was then
sacrificed.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=296321823-03022003><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>Best,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>Leland</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not
speak foul in folly!" - ]<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ralph
Walter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 03, 2003 9:02 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Good Luck
Horseshoes?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0
face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/3/2003 8:53:48 AM
Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
TYPE="CITE"></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000080 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In the Black Forest area in Germany
it was tradition to roast the ox that was used to haul the timbers for a new
barn house, then hang it’s head from the rafter peaks inside the barn for
good luck and leave it there. They had no chimneys so the smoke from the
fires would preserve it.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Do those Krauts know
how to show their gratitude, or what?<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT>
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:05:59 EST
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Subject: Re: IPTW 2003 Call for Demonstrators and Presenters
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K-
I'm thinking od demonstrating, but just can't think of anything that I'm too
strongly against at the moment.
Twybil Cinque
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I'm thinking od demonstrating, but just can't think of anything that I'm too strongly against at the moment.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 20:16:24 -0600
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Subject: Re: Good Luck Horseshoes?
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Sometimes I think we do that with people.
-jc
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 05:20 PM, Leland Torrence wrote:
> And we all remember the October Horse.=A0 In Rome they used to parade=20=
> the two best warrior stallions. The most magnificent and fastest steed=20=
> was then sacrificed.
> Best,
> Leland
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ]<en Phollit=20
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ralph=20=
> Walter
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:02 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Good Luck Horseshoes?
>
> In a message dated 2/3/2003 8:53:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> In the Black Forest area in Germany it was tradition to roast the ox=20=
> that was used to haul the timbers for a new barn house, then hang it=92s=
=20
> head from the rafter peaks inside the barn for good luck and leave it=20=
> there. They had no chimneys so the smoke from the fires would preserve=20=
> it.
>
>
>
> Do those Krauts know how to show their gratitude, or what?
>
> Ralph
>
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Sometimes I think we do that with people.
-jc
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 05:20 PM, Leland Torrence wrote:
<excerpt><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><smaller>And we all
remember the October Horse.=A0 In Rome they used to parade the two best
warrior stallions. The most magnificent and fastest steed was then
sacrificed.</smaller></color>
<color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><smaller>Best,</smaller></color>
<color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><smaller>Leland</smaller></color>
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<bold>From:</bold> "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ]<<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <bold>On Behalf Of
</bold>Ralph Walter
<bold>Sent:</bold> Monday, February 03, 2003 9:02 AM
<bold>To:</bold> [log in to unmask]
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Good Luck Horseshoes?
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>In a message dated 2/3/2003 8:53:48 AM
Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
<color><param>0000,0000,8080</param>In the Black Forest area in
Germany it was tradition to roast the ox that was used to haul the
timbers for a new barn house, then hang it=92s head from the rafter
peaks inside the barn for good luck and leave it there. They had no
chimneys so the smoke from the fires would preserve it.</color>
<color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Do those Krauts know how to show
their gratitude, or what?
Ralph</color></fontfamily></smaller>
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writes:
> I'm thinking od demonstrating, but just can't think of anything that I'm too
> strongly against at the moment.
>
> Twybil Cinque
>
Twy,
If Patty Hearst told you you had a nice body, would you hold it against her?
Symbionic Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm thinking od demonstrating, but just can't think of anything that I'm too strongly against at the moment.<BR>
<BR>
Twybil Cinque</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"> <BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Twy,<BR>
<BR>
If Patty Hearst told you you had a nice body, would you hold it against her?<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 20:37:27 -0600
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Ralph, would you believe her?
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 08:31 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/3/2003 9:06:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I'm thinking od demonstrating, but just can't think of anything that
> I'm too strongly against at the moment.
>
> Twybil Cinque
>
>
> Twy,
>
> If Patty Hearst told you you had a nice body, would you hold it
> against her?
>
> Symbionic Ralph
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Ralph, would you believe her?
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 08:31 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/3/2003 9:06:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>I'm thinking od demonstrating, but just can't
think of anything that I'm too strongly against at the moment.
Twybil Cinque
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>Twy,
If Patty Hearst told you you had a nice body, would you hold it
against her?
Symbionic Ralph</smaller></color></fontfamily></excerpt>
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In a message dated 2/3/2003 9:37:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Ralph, would you believe her?
>
John,
I think she'd have to prove her love, but now that she's older (and we're
not) I'd be inclined to take Twybil's word for it. As opposed to monitoring
the proceedings myself. Don't you think that's reasonable?
Or maybe we could just arrange for them both to be on a crowded subway train
at the same time. Probably even more reasonable.
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d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ralph, would you believe=20=
her?<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
I think she'd have to prove her love, but now that she's older (and we're no=
t) I'd be inclined to take Twybil's word for it. As opposed to monitoring th=
e proceedings myself. Don't you think that's reasonable? <BR>
<BR>
Or maybe we could just arrange for them both to be on a crowded subway train=
at the same time. Probably even <U>more</U> reasonable.<BR>
<BR>
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She's always been too old for me. But if Twybil is so inclined, I'll=20
try to smother my giggles and look real sincere as he tells us all=20
about it.
-jc
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 08:42 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/3/2003 9:37:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Ralph,=A0 would you believe her?
>
>
> John,
>
> I think she'd have to prove her love, but now that she's older (and=20
> we're not) I'd be inclined to take Twybil's word for it. As opposed to=20=
> monitoring the proceedings myself.=A0 Don't you think that's > =
reasonable?=A0
>
> Or maybe we could just arrange for them both to be on a crowded subway=20=
> train at the same time.=A0 Probably even more reasonable.
>
> Ralph=
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She's always been too old for me. But if Twybil is so inclined, I'll
try to smother my giggles and look real sincere as he tells us all
about it.
-jc
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 08:42 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/3/2003 9:37:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>Ralph,=A0 would you believe her?
John,
I think she'd have to prove her love, but now that she's older (and
we're not) I'd be inclined to take Twybil's word for it. As opposed to
monitoring the proceedings myself.=A0 Don't you think that's =
reasonable?=A0
Or maybe we could just arrange for them both to be on a crowded subway
train at the same time.=A0 Probably even <underline>more</underline>
reasonable.
Ralph</excerpt>=
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: IPTW 2003 Call for Demonstrators and Presenters
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In a message dated 2/3/2003 9:55:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> She's always been too old for me.
Even with the gun and the flag? I thought she was kinda hot.
Ya know, Young Mike Edison is in CT, and she's in CT. Maybe he can give us a
recent update on her hottitude. Mike?
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 2/3/2003 9:55:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">She's always been too old for me. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Even with the gun and the flag? I thought she was kinda hot. <BR>
<BR>
Ya know, Young Mike Edison is in CT, and she's in CT. Maybe he can give us a recent update on her hottitude. Mike?<BR>
<BR>
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>
> > Ouch!!
> >
> > Nick
> >
>
>That's why they call you Nick, huh?
>
>Ralph
Mr. Ralph:
I got this name as a result of my habit of "Nicking" all the stones I
carved. Others have called me "Spall" and "Chip" on occasion.
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Subject: Re: Good Luck Horseshoes in my soup?
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In a message dated 2/4/2003 1:44:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >>Ouch!!
> >>
> >>Nick
> >>
> >
> >That's why they call you Nick, huh?
> >
> >Ralph
>
> Mr. Ralph:
>
> I got this name as a result of my habit of "Nicking" all the stones I
> carved. Others have called me "Spall" and "Chip" on occasion.
>
Brother Nick,
And if the stones could talk (whether or not the walls have ears, and we know
some architraves have them), wouldn't they say "ouch?"
Ralph
PS-- Why do you think I gave up shaving? I now leave it to my barber,
another unfortunately-named Nick. But my Nick's a spaghetti bender, unlike
you Greeks who'll bend anything. On the other hand, Mr. Kay, who used to be
my barber, was Greek. But he's dead. And now I'm not the concierge, the
barber, or a madam. But I have seen The Producers (both versions); the movie
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">><BR>
>>Ouch!!<BR>
>><BR>
>>Nick<BR>
>><BR>
><BR>
>That's why they call you Nick, huh?<BR>
><BR>
>Ralph<BR>
<BR>
Mr. Ralph:<BR>
<BR>
I got this name as a result of my habit of "Nicking" all the stones I<BR>
carved. Others have called me "Spall" and "Chip" on occasion.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
Brother Nick,<BR>
<BR>
And if the stones could talk (whether or not the walls have ears, and we know some architraves have them), wouldn't they say "ouch?"<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
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She may be part of why my admiration for 60's radicals is limited to so=20=
few.
If she's hot now, its something she gained along the way. It could=20
happen. Perhaps she's become a preservationeer!
-jc
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 09:04 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/3/2003 9:55:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> She's always been too old for me.
>
>
>
> Even with the gun and the flag?=A0 I thought she was kinda hot.=A0
>
> Ya know, Young Mike Edison is in CT, and she's in CT.=A0 Maybe he can=20=
> give us a recent update on her hottitude.=A0 Mike?
>
> Ralph=
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She may be part of why my admiration for 60's radicals is limited to
so few.
If she's hot now, its something she gained along the way. It could
happen. Perhaps she's become a preservationeer! =20
-jc
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<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/3/2003 9:55:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>She's always been too old for me.
Even with the gun and the flag?=A0 I thought she was kinda hot.=A0
Ya know, Young Mike Edison is in CT, and she's in CT.=A0 Maybe he can
give us a recent update on her hottitude.=A0 Mike?
Ralph</excerpt>=
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Ralph Walter wrote:
> Even with the gun and the flag? I thought she was kinda hot.
>
> Ralph
Yes but that beret looked as dumb on her as it did on Monica
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<p><br>Yes but that beret looked as dumb on her as it did on Monica
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Subject: Re: Historic Ann Arbor mansion burns
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What do you think the Firewire port they invented is for?
Give it up Dan... the raging ATEC PC motherboard we got recently for home
consumption comes w/ Firewire... we left off one step south of Blue Tooth --
nothing like a LITTLE bit of protection! The good news??? The Mboard won't
play games published by MS due to some bios conflict or other. I suppose 10
hours and two weeks and we might figure out how to install the correct patch.
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<BR>
Give it up Dan... the raging ATEC PC motherboard we got recently for home consumption comes w/ Firewire... we left off one step south of Blue Tooth -- nothing like a LITTLE bit of protection! The good news??? The Mboard won't play games published by MS due to some bios conflict or other. I suppose 10 hours and two weeks and we might figure out how to install the correct patch.<BR>
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Subject: Re: Historic Ann Arbor mansion burns
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> The Mboard won't play games published by MS due to some bios conflict or
> other.
Ken,
You shouldn't be playing games, anyway. Corresponding with one's nearest and
dearest Pinpals should be enough for anyone.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The Mboard won't play games published by MS due to some bios conflict or other.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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You shouldn't be playing games, anyway. Corresponding with one's nearest and dearest Pinpals should be enough for anyone.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:55:29 EST
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Have you ever spilled boiling syrup on your hand?
Ruth: Been there, done that. Early yout, pre-urban. ][<en
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I'm thinking od demonstrating, but just can't think of anything that I'm too
strongly against at the moment.
Bagpipe burning? I don't think we can handle it, though we are talking about
axe throwing, rock throwing, and hanging people from the trees. You are also
free to bring an ox and roast it.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I'm thinking od demonstrating, but just can't think of anything that I'm too strongly against at the moment.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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Bagpipe burning? I don't think we can handle it, though we are talking about axe throwing, rock throwing, and hanging people from the trees. You are also free to bring an ox and roast it.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:20:39 EST
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Subject: Re: IPTW 2003 Call for Demonstrators and Presenters
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In a message dated 2/4/2003 11:59:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> Bagpipe burning? I don't think we can handle it, though we are talking about
> axe throwing, rock throwing, and hanging people from the trees. You are
> also free to bring an ox and roast it.
>
Burning is too good for any bagpipe I ever heard. Axe throwing is not on the
list of activities approved when I got my Tote N Chip, and I don't think that
even in this permissive age, it would be now. Rock throwing, however, is an
honorable activity in which I engaged regularly as a yout'. Hanging people
from trees should also be omitted from the honeydew list.
And now we come to the bringing and roasting of an ox. If the ox were shod,
the Feds would want it to take off it's shoes, and on some airlines, one
would have to buy more than one seat, if it were a large (or even standard,
and maybe even just a small) one, which might make for a certain ineconomy.
Plus there's the matter of shrinkage, in which you would have to pay for a
certain amount of weight which wouldn't be included in the "final" roastable
weight. Then there are the problems of butchering an ox, in which case one
should consult that lady in the New Yorker who designs humane
slaughterhouses. And lastly, who has a barn in which to hang the roasted ox
head? I think you should forget about this activity, but since I probably
won't come anyway, do what you want.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Bagpipe burning? I don't think we can handle it, though we are talking about axe throwing, rock throwing, and hanging people from the trees. You are also free to bring an ox and roast it.<BR>
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Burning is too good for any bagpipe I ever heard. Axe throwing is not on the list of activities approved when I got my Tote N Chip, and I don't think that even in this permissive age, it would be now. Rock throwing, however, is an honorable activity in which I engaged regularly as a yout'. Hanging people from trees should also be omitted from the honeydew list. <BR>
<BR>
And now we come to the bringing and roasting of an ox. If the ox were shod, the Feds would want it to take off it's shoes, and on some airlines, one would have to buy more than one seat, if it were a large (or even standard, and maybe even just a small) one, which might make for a certain ineconomy. Plus there's the matter of shrinkage, in which you would have to pay for a certain amount of weight which wouldn't be included in the "final" roastable weight. Then there are the problems of butchering an ox, in which case one should consult that lady in the New Yorker who designs humane slaughterhouses. And lastly, who has a barn in which to hang the roasted ox head? I think you should forget about this activity, but since I probably won't come anyway, do what you want. <BR>
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:32:58 -0500
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In a message dated 2/4/2003 12:20:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> And now we come to the bringing and roasting of an ox. If the ox were shod, the Feds would want it to take off it's shoes, and on some airlines, one would have to buy more than one seat, if it were a large (or even standard, and maybe even just a small) one, which might make for a certain ineconomy. Plus there's the matter of shrinkage, in which you would have to pay for a certain amount of weight which wouldn't be included in the "final" roastable weight. Then there are the problems of butchering an ox, in which case one should consult that lady in the New Yorker who designs humane slaughterhouses. And lastly, who has a barn in which to hang the roasted ox head?
Ralph, you want fries with that?
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:36:25 EST
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> Ralph, you want fries with that?
Curly fries, with a lot of salt. Things a little slow down at Pokorny's,
that you're taking lunch orders?
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:44:28 EST
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And lastly, who has a barn in which to hang the roasted ox head?
They got barns on site... check the ptn website for kool barns. As to tree
hanging... it will be via rope excess technology... we are restricted to not
do inspections -- so please refrain from asking us what we are looking at --
but we are allowed to plug a few woodpecker holes.
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They got barns on site... check the ptn website for kool barns. As to tree h=
anging... it will be via rope excess technology... we are restricted to not=20=
do inspections -- so please refrain from asking us what we are looking at --=
but we are allowed to plug a few woodpecker holes.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:46:17 -0500
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> Twy,
>
> If Patty Hearst told you you had a nice body, would you
> hold it against her?
>
> Symbionic Ralph
Is this the beginning of a soap joke?
Symbiotic Mike
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> She's always been too old for me.
Yeah, John, but have your ever seen the shot of her with the AK47? O-o-o-o-h, better than the RIDGID catalogue.
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In a message dated 2/4/2003 7:59:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Perhaps she's become a preservationeer!
Funny you should ask. We're restoring a mill for the Open Space Institute (has nothing to do with my cranial real estate) near Garrison, and I have personally had two Tanya sitings. First I thought I was going nuts, then was informed by a local that she has purchased a house nearby. Get the Cybercam!
Herb Caen
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In a message dated 2/4/2003 11:55:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Bagpipe burning?
May you be struck down by a herds-worth of Midlothian oysters.
O'Twybil
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In a message dated 2/4/2003 12:47:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> >Twy,
> >
> >If Patty Hearst told you you had a nice body, would you
> >hold it against her?
> >
> >Symbionic Ralph
>
> Is this the beginning of a soap joke?
>
> Symbiotic Mike
>
SyMike,
No. And I didn't get the soap joke reference, either. Maybe I'm having
another ministroke, or they cut more than my throat.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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>If Patty Hearst told you you had a nice body, would you<BR>
>hold it against her?<BR>
><BR>
>Symbionic Ralph<BR>
<BR>
Is this the beginning of a soap joke?<BR>
<BR>
Symbiotic Mike<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
SyMike,<BR>
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No. And I didn't get the soap joke reference, either. Maybe I'm=20=
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> Funny you should ask. We're restoring a mill for the Open Space Institute
> (has nothing to do with my cranial real estate) near Garrison, and I have
> personally had two Tanya sitings. Did she have the AK 47 and the beret?
> First I thought I was going nuts , then was informed by a local that she
> has purchased a house nearby Didn't it occur to you that maybe the local
> was just trying to make you feel better? Get the Cybercam! No thanks.
> She's got enough money that she can get her own.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 2/4/2003 12:54:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Funny you should ask. We're restoring a mill for the Open Space Institute (has nothing to do with my cranial real estate) near Garrison, and I have personally had two Tanya sitings. <B>Did she have the AK 47 and the beret?</B> First I thought I was going nuts , then was informed by a local that she has purchased a house nearby <B>Didn't it occur to you that maybe the local was just trying to make you feel better?</B> Get the Cybercam! <B>No thanks. She's got enough money that she can get her own.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><BR>
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:20:48 EST
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Subject: I feel like I'm at a desert outpost in the French Foreign ...
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...Legion. Gradually, like Arabs sweeping over colonial outposts in the
Sahara, New York Telephone (or whatever it is now) is gradually blocking
access to local numbers by just using the conventional seven digits. One by
one, any attempt to call the old way is met by an fast, angry beep.
Now I'm down to just a few exchanges - 556-, 427-, LE4-, 799- and a handful
of others. Soon, it will be all over - there will be no one left. Tell them
... tell them we died gallantly.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">...Legion. Gradually, like Arabs sweeping over colonial outposts in the Sahara, New York Telephone (or whatever it is now) is gradually blocking access to local numbers by just using the conventional seven digits. One by one, any attempt to call the old way is met by an fast, angry beep.
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<BR>Now I'm down to just a few exchanges - 556-, 427-, LE4-, 799- and a handful of others. Soon, it will be all over - there will be no one left. Tell them ... tell them we died gallantly.
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:42:59 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I feel like I'm at a desert outpost in the French Foreign ...
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In a message dated 2/4/2003 1:21:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Tell them ... tell them we died gallantly.
>
Howzabout we just tell them you stopped dialing several years ago, and have
just been pushing buttons and more buttons, until their scabrous digits
overwhelmed your leprous digits.
Talk about studying dramatics with Douglas Macarthur. I'd rather have my
throat slit and my heart ripped out.
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0"> Tell them ... tell them we died gallantly. <BR>
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Howzabout we just tell them you stopped dialing several years ago, and have=20=
just been pushing buttons and more buttons, until their scabrous digit=
s overwhelmed your leprous digits.<BR>
<BR>
Talk about studying dramatics with Douglas Macarthur. I'd rather have=20=
my throat slit and my heart ripped out.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:52:10 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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>
>Ralph
>
>PS-- Why do you think I gave up shaving? I now leave it to my barber,
>another unfortunately-named Nick. But my Nick's a spaghetti bender, unlike
>you Greeks who'll bend anything. On the other hand, Mr. Kay, who used to
>be
>my barber, was Greek. But he's dead. And now I'm not the concierge, the
>barber, or a madam. But I have seen The Producers (both versions); the
>movie
>was better.
Mr. Ralph:
I come from a long line of benders so you better watch your NJ ass!
Oh, and by the way, I heard just who appeared to you in a dream. This sent
shivers down my spine. What did he actually say and do? Was he naked? If I
were a praying man, I would pray for you.
Nick
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:54:06 -0500
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>From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: IPTW 2003 Call for Demonstrators and Presenters
>Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:55:29 EST
>
>I'm thinking od demonstrating, but just can't think of anything that I'm
>too
>strongly against at the moment.
>
>Bagpipe burning? I don't think we can handle it, though we are talking
>about
>axe throwing, rock throwing, and hanging people from the trees. You are
>also
>free to bring an ox and roast it.
>
>][<en
I would like to give a demonstration on how to give a demonstration.
Nick
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:58:03 EST
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Subject: Re: IPTW 2003 Call for Demonstrators and Presenters
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If Patty Hearst told you you had a nice body, would you hold it against her?
If you all want to know how Patty Hearst looks these days then pick up a DVD
of John Water's film Cecil B. Demented. Though, seriously, if I had to hold
close I'd pick Alicia Witt, though Melanie is a close second. Patty is just a
bit TOO much middle class and matronly for my taste. Then again, Ralph only
likes Mozart and Twybill w/ his pipe & bags really needs a utili-kilt and a
box of chocolates.
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u hold it against her?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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If you all want to know how Patty Hearst looks these days then pick up a DVD=
of John Water's film Cecil B. Demented. Though, seriously, if I had to hold=
close I'd pick Alicia Witt, though Melanie is a close second. Patty is just=
a bit TOO much middle class and matronly for my taste. Then again, Ralph on=
ly likes Mozart and Twybill w/ his pipe & bags really needs a utili-kilt=
and a box of chocolates.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:59:33 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: IPTW 2003 Call for Demonstrators and Presenters
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First I thought I was going nuts...
They do say first thing to a cure is recognition of a problem. ;-)
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:02:28 EST
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This may be my last transm
Shapshooter experiences a Columbia moment?
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:04:08 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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Oh, and by the way, I heard just who appeared to you in a dream.
No need to fear... the spectre was allergic to the blade and could not shave.
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:12:32 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Good Luck Horseshoes in my soup?
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In a message dated 2/4/2003 1:54:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I come from a long line of benders so you better watch your NJ ass!
I'm not worried. It's nearly as distateful as the dream ass.
>
> Oh, and by the way, I heard just who appeared to you in a dream. Nothing
> like spreading the good word, huh? This sent shivers down my spine. That's
> pretty good: a dream that occurred in New Jersey sends shivers down
> somebody else's spine in Switzerland, several days later. What did he
> actually say and do? I don't remember that he said anything, and all he did
> (other than ignoring my attempted greeting [who says dreams have to make
> sense?] ) was to walk away from me down a long corridor. Was he naked? No,
> thank God. Wearing a black suit was disturbing enough. If I were a praying
> man, I would pray for you. Thanks. I feel better now. I'm not sure I
> want anybody praying for me, especially Greeks.
Ralph
PS--I think this should be retitled horseshit in my soup.
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d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I come from a long line of bend=
ers so you better watch your NJ ass!</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000=
000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>I'm not worried. It=
's nearly as distateful as the dream ass.</B><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
Oh, and by the way, I heard just who appeared to you in a dream. <B>Nothing=20=
like spreading the good word, huh? </B>This sent shivers down my spine. <B>T=
hat's pretty good: a dream that occurred in New Jersey sends shivers down so=
mebody else's spine in Switzerland, several days later.</B> What did he actu=
ally say and do? <B>I don't remember that he said anything, and all he did (=
other than ignoring my attempted greeting [who says dreams have to make sens=
e?] ) was to walk away from me down a long corridor. </B>Was he naked? <B>No=
, thank God. Wearing a black suit was disturbing enough.</B> If I were=
a praying man, I would pray for you. <B>Thanks. I feel better n=
ow. I'm not sure I want anybody praying for me, especially Greeks.</BL=
OCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=
SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B><BR>
<BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>Ralph<BR>
<BR>
PS--I think this should be retitled horseshit in my soup.</B><BR>
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:14:40 EST
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Subject: Re: IPTW 2003 Call for Demonstrators and Presenters
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In a message dated 2/4/2003 1:58:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I would like to give a demonstration on how to give a demonstration.
>
We could show these pro-Iraq whippersnappers a thing or two, couldn't we?
Love Europe or stay there, I always say.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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ation on how to give a demonstration.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
We could show these pro-Iraq whippersnappers a thing or two, couldn't we?<BR=
>
<BR>
Love Europe or stay there, I always say.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Subject: Re: IPTW 2003 Call for Demonstrators and Presenters
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In a message dated 2/4/2003 1:59:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Then again, Ralph only likes Mozart and Twybill w/ his pipe &bags really
> needs a utili-kilt and a box of chocolates.
>
Hey, I like chocolate, too!
Ralph
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d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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>Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:04:08 EST
>
>Oh, and by the way, I heard just who appeared to you in a dream.
>
>No need to fear... the spectre was allergic to the blade and could not
>shave.
>][<en
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>We could show these pro-Iraq whippersnappers a thing or two, couldn't we?
>
>Love Europe or stay there, I always say.
>
>Ralph
You think its easy bein an Ameriken ova here or what! Listen, its 8:17 PM
here and I gotta go to sleep
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I would like to give a demonstration on how to give a demonstration.
Nick: Seriously? I brought this up at our recent meeting, the need for a
demonstration on demonstrations. We have a policy of whomever brings up a
need has to take care of their own suggestion. I think I was asked if I would
volunteer to demonstrate on myself. Besides, I'm now known as the official
"disseminator". Problem is they won't let me change my clothes, though we
will have a mud pit, I think. Officially there will be no drinking of beer so
I'm not sure why there will be so many beer tents and what all the kegs are
for. Possibly one of my fellow disseminators will be able to clarify the
point back channel. I suggested we hold a Yokel Ono bed-in, "We won't get out
of bed until all of the developers are hung and the old buildings are
satisfied!" There is always room for two or one more. Let me know if you are
volunteering. I'd rather spend my time working on a business session,
"Dilbert and the 36 Strategems". ][<en
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demonstration.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Nick: Seriously? I brought this up at our recent meeting, the need for a dem=
onstration on demonstrations. We have a policy of whomever brings up a need=20=
has to take care of their own suggestion. I think I was asked if I would vol=
unteer to demonstrate on myself. Besides, I'm now known as the official "dis=
seminator". Problem is they won't let me change my clothes, though we will h=
ave a mud pit, I think. Officially there will be no drinking of beer so I'm=20=
not sure why there will be so many beer tents and what all the kegs are for.=
Possibly one of my fellow disseminators will be able to clarify the point b=
ack channel. I suggested we hold a Yokel Ono bed-in, "We won't get out of be=
d until all of the developers are hung and the old buildings are satisfied!"=
There is always room for two or one more. Let me know if you are volunteeri=
ng. I'd rather spend my time working on a business session, "Dilbert and the=
36 Strategems". ][<en</FONT></HTML>
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> Poetry cuts like a knife
>
Does it leave spalls and chips? Or fish and chips? Or nicks in knickers?
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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<BR>
Does it leave spalls and chips? Or fish and chips? Or nicks in knicker=
s?<BR>
<BR>
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> You think its easy bein an Ameriken ova here or what! Listen, its 8:17 PM
> here and I gotta go to sleep
>
Nick,
We appreciate the fine work you do on our behalf. Don't we, boys and girls?
Whassamatta, they roll up the streets on you?
It's 2:29 and I think I'll take a nap.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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iken ova here or what! Listen, its 8:17 PM<BR>
here and I gotta go to sleep<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
Nick,<BR>
<BR>
We appreciate the fine work you do on our behalf. Don't we, boys and girls?=20=
Whassamatta, they roll up the streets on you?<BR>
<BR>
It's 2:29 and I think I'll take a nap.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: IPTW 2003 Call for Demonstrators and Presenters
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writes:
> "We won't get out of bed until all of the developers are hung and the old
> buildings are satisfied!"
Whether the developers are hung or not, they always seem to behave like they
have big clanging brass balls. But I'd like to see them seriously squeezed
sometime.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Whether the developers are hung or not, they always seem to behave like they=
have big clanging brass balls. But I'd like to see them seriously squ=
eezed sometime.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Subject: Re: Good Luck Horseshoes in my soup?
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PS--I think this should be retitled horseshit in my soup.
Ralph,
We REALLY are having a problem w/ the anti-spam & anti-filthy language
filters. Please use a lot of creative license and invent previously unthought
of phrases.
This should be retitled: Good Luck Horsepatties in my soup?
][<en
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soup.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR=
: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B><BR>
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Ralph,<BR>
<BR>
We REALLY are having a problem w/ the anti-spam & anti-filthy language f=
ilters. Please use a lot of creative license and invent previously unthought=
of phrases.<BR>
<BR>
This should be retitled: Good Luck Horsepatties in my soup?<BR>
<BR>
][<en<BR>
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Subject: Re: IPTW 2003 Call for Demonstrators and Presenters
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Hey, I like chocolate, too!
Talk about weird dreams!
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</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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writes:
> We REALLY are having a problem w/ the anti-spam &anti-filthy language
> filters. Please use a lot of creative license and invent previously
> unthought of phrases.
>
> This should be retitled: Good Luck Horsepatties in my soup?
>
Will do. Do I need to worry about York peppermint patties?
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">We REALLY are having a problem=20=
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tive license and invent previously unthought of phrases.<BR>
<BR>
This should be retitled: Good Luck Horsepatties in my soup?<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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Will do. Do I need to worry about York peppermint patties?<BR>
<BR>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Chocolate Puckey Patties
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> Hey, I like chocolate, too!
>
>
> Talk about weird dreams!
>
Compared to Marty, there's nothing weird about chocolate. In any sense.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/4/2003 2:37:34 PM Eastern Standar=
d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hey, I like chocolate, too!<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Talk about weird dreams!<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Compared to Marty, there's n=
othing weird about chocolate. In any sense.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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>
>We appreciate the fine work you do on our behalf. Don't we, boys and girls?
>Whassamatta, they roll up the streets on you?
>
>It's 2:29 and I think I'll take a nap.
>
>Ralph
Ralph:
No problem, its the least I can do for my country.
Your keepin me awake, the fresh mountain air puts you to bed early.
PS Living about 30 minutes from the home base of old Dr. Carl Jung, and my
blessed GREEK grandma being a bonafied dream interpreter, I feel bold enough
to venture a guess that the scurvy contractor who disturbed your good nights
sleep, and gave me the transcontinental time delayed shivers, symbolized non
other than the grim reaper himself. Yes thats right, the blacksuited, no
talking, hall walking sonofab was mortality's twin.
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> PS Living about 30 minutes from the home base of old Dr. Carl Jung, and my
> blessed GREEK grandma being a bonafied dream interpreter, I feel bold
> enough
> to venture a guess that the scurvy contractor who disturbed your good
> nights
> sleep, and gave me the transcontinental time delayed shivers, symbolized
> non
> other than the grim reaper himself. Yes thats right, the blacksuited, no
> talking, hall walking sonofab was mortality's twin.
>
Nick,
Most interesting. However, my nights' sleep have not been good for a long
time. On the other hand, they haven't been so bad as to include him, which I
have to admit is a new low in sleep disorders.
What are we to make of the fact (so to speak) that I was excited to hear that
he was nearby, and I wanted to greet him; that he turned his back on me and
walked away, and I was disappointed that he wouldn't acknowledge me? Do you
think I should stop taking long walks on dark railroad tracks when I can't
sleep?
It really is a most interesting interpretation. Maybe you should quick
nicking, spalling and chipping stone and go over to something really
lucrative, if slightly less dishonest.
Ralph
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>>Does it leave spalls and chips? Or fish and chips? Or nicks in
knickers?
Ralph<<
Is THAT what they sell at Long John Slivers?
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Subject: Re: Good Luck Horseshoes in my soup?
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In a message dated 2/4/2003 3:15:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Is THAT what they sell at Long John Slivers?
>
>
> Rude
>
I don't think you want to know what they sell at Long John Salivers, as Dead
John Lennon used to say. Meanwhile, I just saw you (all right, it was your
name, but what the heck) in the Histo Presto Balto thingie that came in the
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Crazy women with guns are a real turn off. But hey, that's just me.
I remember the shot well. Consistancy is not my strong point, but the
interveneing years do not seem to have changed my opinion. She and her
friends, (including Mrs. Olsen from down the road a piece), were self
centered thrill seeking lunatics. Murder, bank robbery and kidnapping
was not a promising avenue for growing a Revolution...or even for
making some worthwhile changes.
But hey! You go right ahead! Do your thing man!
-jc
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 11:49 AM, Mike Devonshire wrote:
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>> She's always been too old for me.
>
> Yeah, John, but have your ever seen the shot of her with the AK47?
> O-o-o-o-h, better than the RIDGID catalogue.
>
> Twy.
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Folks,
I am trying to find out why masonry cement (MC) is on the market when
portland cement / lime (PCL) mortars appear, at least to me, to perform
better and more reliably?
As many of us know, MC is typically a mix of portland cement, pulverized
limestone and "proprietary admixtures" which manufacturers seldom (never)
will divulge. PCL is portland cement and lime, period.
Can anybody shed light on this for me?
Thanks,
Eric Hammarberg
Still Director of Preservation
Associate
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>>Meanwhile, I just saw you (all right, it was your name, but what the
heck) in the Histo Presto Balto thingie that came in the mail!
Ralph<<
Yep. Time to baffle 'em wif BS in Balto!
Rudy
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>>Have you ever spilled boiling syrup on your hand?
Ruth: Been there, done that. Early yout, pre-urban. ][<en<<
Worse yet when you spill it on your sweetheart's hand while
she's holding the jar, cheesecloth and funnel!
Talk about feeling like a real fecal formation!
Rudy
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yet when you spill it on your sweetheart’s hand while she’s =
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the jar, cheesecloth and funnel!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> Things a little slow down at Pokorny's, that you're taking lunch orders?
>
Nope, just becoming a full service firm.
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Cuyler writes:
"Question: Does anyone know of a tradition of placing a Good Luck =
Horseshoe below the threshold of a new building?
"
No, but I did learn a certian good luck doorway charm from the old Czech
carpenters of northern Nebraska prairie settlement days. (Well, maybe I
actually learned it from their sons.) :
You take a little handful of winter wheat from the shock, soak it in the
stock tank for a few minutes and braid six stocks into a little plait with
three heads of grain sticking out on each end, the whole affair is about
6-8" long. Then you say a little verse as every one at hand touches the
plait and then you tuck it in the space above the door frame header just
before
you nail on the casings. Wish I could remember the verse. It was in Czech,
and the only Czech I remember is what's for dinner.
John Leeke
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> Wish I could remember the verse. It was in Czech,
> and the only Czech I remember is what's for dinner.
>
John,
Did it include the word "Nantucket?"
Trying to be helpful, as always.
Ralph
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Did it include the word "Nantucket?"<BR>
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John,
Sounds like a wonderful appeasement to the mice.
cp in bc
where we use electronic pest chasers with great success
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> Cuyler writes:
> "Question: Does anyone know of a tradition of placing a Good Luck =
> Horseshoe below the threshold of a new building?
> "
>
> No, but I did learn a certian good luck doorway charm from the old Czech
> carpenters of northern Nebraska prairie settlement days. (Well, maybe I
> actually learned it from their sons.) :
>
> You take a little handful of winter wheat from the shock, soak it in the
> stock tank for a few minutes and braid six stocks into a little plait with
> three heads of grain sticking out on each end, the whole affair is about
> 6-8" long. Then you say a little verse as every one at hand touches the
> plait and then you tuck it in the space above the door frame header just
> before
> you nail on the casings. Wish I could remember the verse. It was in Czech,
> and the only Czech I remember is what's for dinner.
>
> John Leeke
>
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> John,
> Sounds like a wonderful appeasement to the mice.
>
A much better use of resources than throwing virgins into volcanoes, too.
Ralph
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Subject: Well, Ralph, I guess....
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> A much better use of resources than throwing virgins into volcanoes, too.
> Ralph
...you would know. Sign me, Krakatoa
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In a message dated 2/4/2003 10:41:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> >> A much better use of resources than throwing virgins into volcanoes, too.
>> Ralph
>
> ...you would know. Sign me, Krakatoa
I was speaking on a theoretical basis, but even then, when you're right,
you're right.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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Subject: Re: Masonry Cement or PCL
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Eric:
Masonry cement is a mixture of Portland cement, mineral filler, and other
components. The mineral filler is usually limestone powder. It can be other
things, such as diatomaceous earth, ground basalt, ground feldspar, ground
quartz, etc. The "other components" that I allude to, if included, are
usually hydrated lime, an air-entraining agent, and in some situations an
anti-cake agent. Calcined bentonite and calcined kaolin clays have also been
used. During the manufacture of masonry cement the Portland cement and the
limestone powder are usually mixed and interground in a ball mill. The
Portland cement becomes finer, more reactive, and more effective. Limestone
is the usual mineral filler because it does not cause excessive wear on the
ball mill. The approximate proportions for Type N masonry cement are 45%
Portland cement, 45% pulverized limestone, and 10% hydrated lime. In
manufacturing practice, the proportions are adjusted to a happy medium
between workability, ASTM C-270 strength, and RMC (raw materials cost).
It has not been my experience that the manufacturers will not divulge the
composition of their product. However, the sales force usually does not have
this information in their memory, although if you read the MSDS you can get a
good qualitative idea. The MSDS usually doesn't tell you the admixtures, but
they really aren't that difficult to identify with $10 worth of labor and
$20,000 worth of knowledge. The quantitative proportions are usually only
known to the lab and production guys. And to guys like me who reverse
engineer and develop these products.
Masonry cement is on the market because it is a profitable product that
performs well. It is primarily a bagged product. As such, it has a major
advantage over bagged Portland cement/hydrated lime mixtures; it cakes less.
That is primarily because of the interground mineral filler. Masonry cement
is also less expensive and has a couple of purely technical advantages. If
an air entrainer is used, the resulting mortar has enhanced frost resistance.
If the mineral filler is limestone, the masonry-cement mortar also has more
acid resistance because of the reactivity of the pulverized limestone with
acids. There are also more nebulous advantages related to masonry cement
being a relatively "Green" product.
Steve Stokowski
Stone Products Consultants
Building Products Microscopy
10 Clark St., Ste. A
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)
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In a message dated 2/4/03 4:41:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I am trying to find out why masonry cement (MC) is on the market when
> portland cement / lime (PCL) mortars appear, at least to me, to perform
> better and more reliably?
>
> As many of us know, MC is typically a mix of portland cement, pulverized
> limestone and "proprietary admixtures" which manufacturers seldom (never)
> will divulge. PCL is portland cement and lime, period.
>
> Can anybody shed light on this for me?
>
>
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<BR>
Masonry cement is a mixture of Portland cement, mineral filler, and other co=
mponents. The mineral filler is usually limestone powder. It can=
be other things, such as diatomaceous earth, ground basalt, ground feldspar=
, ground quartz, etc. The "other components" that I allude to, if incl=
uded, are usually hydrated lime, an air-entraining agent, and in some situat=
ions an anti-cake agent. Calcined bentonite and calcined kaolin clays=20=
have also been used. During the manufacture of masonry cement the Port=
land cement and the limestone powder are usually mixed and interground in a=20=
ball mill. The Portland cement becomes finer, more reactive, and more=20=
effective. Limestone is the usual mineral filler because it does not c=
ause excessive wear on the ball mill. The approximate proportions for=20=
Type N masonry cement are 45% Portland cement, 45% pulverized limestone, and=
10% hydrated lime. In manufacturing practice, the proportions are adj=
usted to a happy medium between workability, ASTM C-270 strength, and RMC (r=
aw materials cost).<BR>
<BR>
It has not been my experience that the manufacturers will not divulge the co=
mposition of their product. However, the sales force usually does not=20=
have this information in their memory, although if you read the MSDS you can=
get a good qualitative idea. The MSDS usually doesn't tell you the ad=
mixtures, but they really aren't that difficult to identify with $10 worth o=
f labor and $20,000 worth of knowledge. The quantitative proportions a=
re usually only known to the lab and production guys. And to guys like=
me who reverse engineer and develop these products.<BR>
<BR>
Masonry cement is on the market because it is a profitable product that perf=
orms well. It is primarily a bagged product. As such, it has a m=
ajor advantage over bagged Portland cement/hydrated lime mixtures; it cakes=20=
less. That is primarily because of the interground mineral filler.&nbs=
p; Masonry cement is also less expensive and has a couple of purely technica=
l advantages. If an air entrainer is used, the resulting mortar has en=
hanced frost resistance. If the mineral filler is limestone, the mason=
ry-cement mortar also has more acid resistance because of the reactivity of=20=
the pulverized limestone with acids. There are also more nebulous adva=
ntages related to masonry cement being a relatively "Green" product.<BR>
<BR>
Steve Stokowski<BR>
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arket when<BR>
portland cement / lime (PCL) mortars appear, at least to me, to perform<BR>
better and more reliably?<BR>
<BR>
As many of us know, MC is typically a mix of portland cement, pulverized<BR>
limestone and "proprietary admixtures" which manufacturers seldom (never)<BR=
>
will divulge. PCL is portland cement and lime, period.<BR>
<BR>
Can anybody shed light on this for me?<BR>
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> A much better use of resources than throwing virgins into volcanoes, too.
Depends on your perspective.
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Thanks for the info Steve. Being a basic wood guy, I now feel $19,999 =
richer.
cp in woody bc
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Well, I'll probably be doing it again in a few weeks. Ruth
At 10:55 AM -0500 2/4/03, Ken Follett wrote:
Have you ever spilled boiling syrup on your hand?
Ruth: Been there, done that. Early yout, pre-urban. ][<en
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Ruth hopes:
>>Well, I'll probably be doing it again in a few weeks.<<
It sure makes it feel like winter is finally loosening its grip when its
time to boil the spiles and find the really poorly made mallet from my
high school shop class. It's our little tradition to use it to tap in
the spiles.
We started sugaring as a home school project (math, chemistry, botany
and American history all rolled into one!) and never stopped.
Can't wait!
Rudy
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where we use electronic pest chasers with great success
cp,
On a project for a house museum I was told about termite stations buried in
the ground around the house that are somehow checked for activity & when
there is activity the exterminators put poisons in the stations that are
carried back to the nest. Do you know if these are electronic sensors, or
does someone have to actually look in them? I'm curious... not looking for
lunch.
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On a project for a house museum I was told about termite stations buried in=20=
the ground around the house that are somehow checked for activity & when=
there is activity the exterminators put poisons in the stations that are ca=
rried back to the nest. Do you know if these are electronic sensors, or does=
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In a message dated 2/4/2003 7:53:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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> During the manufacture of masonry cement the Portland cement and the
> limestone powder are usually mixed and interground in a ball mill.
As Portland cement is manufactured from limestone there is also apt to be a
ready supply of limestone at hand to intermix at this stage of the process
(quite likely from a nearby hole in the ground), the Portland having been
already fired... correct me if I am wrong... prior to the addition of the
unfired limestone. At $.02 per pound for Portland cement, as I believe is
what I heard last I toured a plant, the margins are VERY tight and the need
for efficiency of the manufacturing system very high. A great deal of
computerized and automatic systems with concerns for energy consumption being
a top priority. Every ounce of Portland cement directly represents BTU's
expended in manufacture. The plant I toured used old tires as a fuel source.
They also had a lot of state-of-the-art scrubbers on their chimneys. ][<en
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d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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As Portland cement is manufactured from limestone there is also apt to be a=20=
ready supply of limestone at hand to intermix at this stage of the process (=
quite likely from a nearby hole in the ground), the Portland having been alr=
eady fired... correct me if I am wrong... prior to the addition of the unfir=
ed limestone. At $.02 per pound for Portland cement, as I believe is what I=20=
heard last I toured a plant, the margins are VERY tight and the need for eff=
iciency of the manufacturing system very high. A great deal of computerized=20=
and automatic systems with concerns for energy consumption being a top prior=
ity. Every ounce of Portland cement directly represents BTU's expended in ma=
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Follett
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:29 AM
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> On a project for a house museum I was told about termite=20
> stations buried in the ground around the house that are=20
> somehow checked for activity & when there is activity the=20
> exterminators put poisons in the stations that are carried=20
> back to the nest. Do you know if these are electronic=20
> sensors, or does someone have to actually look in them?=20
I'll usurp this one. We have lots of experience with termites round
about these southern parts.
Not electronic...manual. Filled with regular tasty wood. Untreated. When
you find that termites are gnawing on it, you put not so regular nasty
to termites wood in the station. They take that stuff into the colony
and decimate it.
It's a dual system...you treat the building with chemicals as typical,
then establish a perimeter early warning DEW line (cp in bc may know
something about that too) to detect future incursions and repel them
before they reach the building.
Sign me,=20
Robot ants, robot ants
They go up and down my pants
With a knick-knack paddy-whack
Give the dog a bone...
Robot ants go marching home.=20
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We started sugaring as a home school project
I suppose all the weird adventures my stepfather set us on may have comprised
home schooling... though nobody said that at the time. My ONE adventure
consisted of a season of work to produce one quart of syrup, and that on the
backyard masonry barbeque pit. My preference, though, was when out on the
paper route to simply take a sip of sap out of someone else's bucket. A nice
cold sweet drink. Not that I would do so nowadays, a skinny kid will take
advantages when it comes to sucking on trees. Farmer Locken eventually sold
out to a housing developer and my favorite walking around land got taken
over. ][<en
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nsisted of a season of work to produce one quart of syrup, and that on the b=
ackyard masonry barbeque pit. My preference, though, was when out on the pap=
er route to simply take a sip of sap out of someone else's bucket. A nice co=
ld sweet drink. Not that I would do so nowadays, a skinny kid will take adva=
ntages when it comes to sucking on trees. Farmer Locken eventually sold out=20=
to a housing developer and my favorite walking around land got taken over. ]=
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Untreated. When you find that termites are gnawing on it, you put not so
regular nasty to termites wood in the station.
Dan: On a purely personal need to know, as in, for my house and future
houses, how are these stations constructed? ][<en
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Subject: Tankless hot water heaters
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Has anyone out there had any experience with tankless hot water heaters? I am
working on upgrading the plumbing systems in my tiny 1880s NJ camp meeting
cottage. The previous owners kept a standard hot water heater in an attached
unheated shed and drained it before winter arrived, but I want to use it in
the winter. The January freeze burst the exterior pipes, in spite of all my
efforts to keep them warm with space heaters in strategic areas.
I'm trying not to expand the building footprint, which would probably be
necessary to accommodate the standard unit. I hope to gradually introduce
sustainable systems as I rehab. A tankless system seems to offer a solution
-- it provides hot water on demand so a large hot water storage tank isn't
necessary, it saves energy, and seems small enough to fit into existing
spaces.
The plumbing contractor, however, says he has had bad experiences with them
and mumbled something about refusing to service them.
Another thought was solar heat/HW, but I have no experience with that kind of
system. It might be more $ than I can handle.
Any thoughts? Here are some links I found below.
Julep
<A HREF="http://www.cetsolar.com/tankless.htm">
http://www.cetsolar.com/tankless.htm</A>
<A HREF="http://www.eren.doe.gov/consumerinfo/energy_savers/sourcelist.html">http://www.eren.doe.gov/consumerinfo/energy_savers/sourcelist.html</A>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Has anyone out there had any experience with tankless=20=
hot water heaters? I am working on upgrading the plumbing systems in my tiny=
1880s NJ camp meeting cottage. The previous owners kept a standard hot wate=
r heater in an attached unheated shed and drained it before winter arrived,=20=
but I want to use it in the winter. The January freeze burst the exterior pi=
pes, in spite of all my efforts to keep them warm with space heaters in stra=
tegic areas.<BR>
<BR>
I'm trying not to expand the building footprint, which would probably be nec=
essary to accommodate the standard unit. I hope to gradually introduce susta=
inable systems as I rehab. A tankless system seems to offer a solution -- it=
provides hot water on demand so a large hot water storage tank isn't necess=
ary, it saves energy, and seems small enough to fit into existing spaces. <B=
R>
<BR>
The plumbing contractor, however, says he has had bad experiences with them=20=
and mumbled something about refusing to service them.<BR>
<BR>
Another thought was solar heat/HW, but I have no experience with that kind o=
f system. It might be more $ than I can handle.<BR>
<BR>
Any thoughts? Here are some links I found below.<BR>
<BR>
Julep<BR>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.cetsolar.com/tankless.htm">
http://www.cetsolar.com/tankless.htm</A><BR>
<BR>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.eren.doe.gov/consumerinfo/energy_savers/sourcelist.htm=
l">http://www.eren.doe.gov/consumerinfo/energy_savers/sourcelist.html</A><BR=
>
<BR>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.eren.doe.gov/erec/factsheets/solrwatr.html">http://www=
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Subject: Re: Graffiti Improves the View (was the SheeHee thread)
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This leads me to believe that the cars must be stored somewhere at night
where the artists cannot find them.
They try that, sometimes it works. What cannot be put away at night is
masonry walls and historic stoops.
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Subject: Re: PCs & typewriters
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Electric typewriters were few and far between - none at all in the school
classroom
I took typing in HS for one week... then chose metal shop. I wanted to be a
writer and typing seemed essential. Metal shop was more interesting. The
first significant purchase I ever made was a Smith-Corona electric. I taught
myself to almost type on it. I don't know where the machine is. When I got a
used Selectric I published a book with it. Though I have lost many old tools,
I do have manuscripts that go back 35 years. I also have our Timex-Sinclair
computer, a machine that nobody in their right mind would ever want to use
for word processing.
Histo presto content: applied technology of communications.
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t all in the school classroom</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGR=
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I took typing in HS for one week... then chose metal shop. I wanted to be a=20=
writer and typing seemed essential. Metal shop was more interesting. The fir=
st significant purchase I ever made was a Smith-Corona electric. I taught my=
self to almost type on it. I don't know where the machine is. When I got a u=
sed Selectric I published a book with it. Though I have lost many old tools,=
I do have manuscripts that go back 35 years. I also have our Timex-Sinclair=
computer, a machine that nobody in their right mind would ever want to use=20=
for word processing.<BR>
<BR>
Histo presto content: applied technology of communications.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: The Once-Delicate Terra Cotta on the Vanderbilt Hotel at 34th
& Park..
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Is any B-P subscriber the guilty party?
Sharpshooter: Not me! I recently saw a facade where the TC was stripped &
was told that the building is the future home of the sex industry museum.
This is true that I saw this and was told this, though I realize that you
have been conditioned to not believe me. Neither, I suppose, should I tell
you about the guy in the hotel pulling the 3 AM fire alarm with only his
underwear on in the hall in MD this last weekend -- an histo presto event I
was attending. It was not me, it was David GIbney's brother, a former rugby
player. ][<en (1st Annual recipient PTN BVD Award)
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Sharpshooter: Not me! I recently saw a facade where the TC was strippe=
d & was told that the building is the future home of the sex industry mu=
seum. This is true that I saw this and was told this, though I realize that=20=
you have been conditioned to not believe me. Neither, I suppose, should I te=
ll you about the guy in the hotel pulling the 3 AM fire alarm with only his=20=
underwear on in the hall in MD this last weekend -- an histo presto event I=20=
was attending. It was not me, it was David GIbney's brother, a former rugby=20=
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Subject: Playing Games, was Burning Things
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You shouldn't be playing games, anyway. Corresponding with one's nearest and
dearest Pinpals should be enough for anyone.
Ralph: I was discussing just this morning with my son my wanting to purchase
the super-complicated WW2 strategy game that will allow replication of all
sorts of atrocities and resource allocations and the option of changing the
course of HISTORY as it includes a map of the entire planet... and his query
if I thought myself up to the complexity of the task. I find the complex
games relaxing and they sure as hell beat the Yoga vacuity of hours and hours
of commuting.
If you want torture, listen to a philosophy of history lecture tape while
driving... I have 11 more to go and I tend to listen to them 3 or 4 times
before I catch on that Gab is not absorbing anything that makes sense. Has it
occured to anyone here that without a philosophy of history that there would
be no need for histo presto, why... we could just burn all the old buildings
down and never even notice? Probably a good reason to avoid listening to
lectures on the philosophy of history. On another note, the lecturer got his
undergraduate, graduate and doctoral from Columbia U. ][<en
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Ralph: I was discussing just this morning with my son my wanting to purchase=
the super-complicated WW2 strategy game that will allow replication of all=20=
sorts of atrocities and resource allocations and the option of changing the=20=
course of HISTORY as it includes a map of the entire planet... and his query=
if I thought myself up to the complexity of the task. I find the complex ga=
mes relaxing and they sure as hell beat the Yoga vacuity of hours and hours=20=
of commuting. <BR>
<BR>
If you want torture, listen to a philosophy of history lecture tape while dr=
iving... I have 11 more to go and I tend to listen to them 3 or 4 times befo=
re I catch on that Gab is not absorbing anything that makes sense. Has it oc=
cured to anyone here that without a philosophy of history that there would b=
e no need for histo presto, why... we could just burn all the old buildings=20=
down and never even notice? Probably a good reason to avoid listening to lec=
tures on the philosophy of history. On another note, the lecturer got his un=
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Subject: Progress of the OSHA Ladies
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One of them songs I knew...and did not know. Guess I was in the basement at
the time.
Sadly to say, I was fusing w/ DD's bag 24-7 and by day busting stone at the
pre-OSHA salt mine. Happy to say those days did not last long and that I did
not fall down the vertical shaft -- story is if you did fall down the shaft
they would put what they could find of you in a shoe box. I, for one, like
OSHA. Without it I figure I would be dead. For halfways decent employers it
works towards leveling the field, that safety is not always an expense over
and beyond what the competition will do. As to hard regulation, fines &
inspections, the world is a busy place and there is a limit to time and
energy. ][<en
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ss I was in the basement at the time.<BR>
<BR>
Sadly to say, I was fusing w/ DD's bag 24-7 and by day busting stone at the=20=
pre-OSHA salt mine. Happy to say those days did not last long and that I did=
not fall down the vertical shaft -- story is if you did fall down the shaft=
they would put what they could find of you in a shoe box. I, for one, like=20=
OSHA. Without it I figure I would be dead. For halfways decent employers it=20=
works towards leveling the field, that safety is not always an expense over=20=
and beyond what the competition will do. As to hard regulation, fines &=20=
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Subject: Re: Good Luck Horseshoes?
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Cuyler Page wrote
>
> cp in bc
> where we use electronic pest chasers with great success
>
Really? suspected that the squirrels & raccoon in my garage became inured to the
electronic pest chaser within 6 weeks-
even took the 1st one back and replaced it-
eventually resorted to rat bait, mothballs, plaster lathe, a pellet gun & had to
finish the raccoon off w/ a 22 after it gnawed a bottle of CitrusStrip and was
foaming at the mouth one morning when I went out to the shop...
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> From: Ken Follett
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:50 AM
>=20
>=20
> Dan: On a purely personal need to know, as in, for my house=20
> and future houses, how are these stations constructed? ][<en=20
Vertical plastic tubes set flush with ground surface with cute little
hinged lids in a flanged top ring. The tube has slots that allow the lil
buggers to come in. Very welcoming. I don't know off hand what the
spacing of the stations is from each other and from the foundation of
the house. Pyrate should be well informed on these things...they're
really used a lot in Nawlins.
________________________________________________________
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Raleigh Historic the cotton pickin' curtain on
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Even for people who have spent a lot of time dealing with termites have
been known to not see the tunnels and other evidence of activity even
from 8" with a flash light pointed at it. So any kind of early warning
would be helpful, but not a substitute for training folks to observe
and making sure that they are spending the time observing.
This concept and several others that take advantage of the termites
lack of creative behavior and predictability are promising. Certainly
worth a try. Having said that, there is an awful lot of bull shit
being sold as termite treatments. If you live where the frost goes
down 3-4', you ain't got termites. Maybe something, but not termites.
Of course there are exceptions. You can infest a heated building by
importing termites and if you maintain heated access to the water and
the ground you can keep the little buggers happy and alive. They
probably won't expand much beyond the building...their expansion work
confined to warmer seasons.
In termite zones an interesting feature is that they don't show up for
about 4 years after new construction is complete. They spend those
years eating the stuff the builders threw in the builders trench and
don't get started on the building until they've finished the builders
trench. That's their favorite place to work...and I suppose their
favorite food.
Construction your building high on a dry rocky hill works real good.
They like wet buildings. Watch where you bring your downspouts down
and grade away from your building. It seems to me that if you use
poison to kill critters who are following water into your
building...you may be bringing the poisen in too. Anything that can
kill a termite is mighty nasty stuff, for a termite is a formidable
opponent.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 08:28 AM, Ken Follett wrote:
> where we use electronic pest chasers with great success
> cp,
> On a project for a house museum I was told about termite stations
> buried in the ground around the house that are somehow checked for
> activity & when there is activity the exterminators put poisons in the
> stations that are carried back to the nest. Do you know if these are
> electronic sensors, or does someone have to actually look in them? I'm
> curious... not looking for lunch.
> ][<en
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Even for people who have spent a lot of time dealing with termites
have been known to not see the tunnels and other evidence of activity
even from 8" with a flash light pointed at it. So any kind of early
warning would be helpful, but not a substitute for training folks to
observe and making sure that they are spending the time observing.
This concept and several others that take advantage of the termites
lack of creative behavior and predictability are promising. Certainly
worth a try. Having said that, there is an awful lot of bull shit
being sold as termite treatments. If you live where the frost goes
down 3-4', you ain't got termites. Maybe something, but not
termites. Of course there are exceptions. You can infest a heated
building by importing termites and if you maintain heated access to
the water and the ground you can keep the little buggers happy and
alive. They probably won't expand much beyond the building...their
expansion work confined to warmer seasons.
In termite zones an interesting feature is that they don't show up for
about 4 years after new construction is complete. They spend those
years eating the stuff the builders threw in the builders trench and
don't get started on the building until they've finished the builders
trench. That's their favorite place to work...and I suppose their
favorite food.
Construction your building high on a dry rocky hill works real good.
They like wet buildings. Watch where you bring your downspouts down
and grade away from your building. It seems to me that if you use
poison to kill critters who are following water into your
building...you may be bringing the poisen in too. Anything that can
kill a termite is mighty nasty stuff, for a termite is a formidable
opponent.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 08:28 AM, Ken Follett wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>where we use
electronic pest chasers with great success
cp,
On a project for a house museum I was told about termite stations
buried in the ground around the house that are somehow checked for
activity & when there is activity the exterminators put poisons in the
stations that are carried back to the nest. Do you know if these are
electronic sensors, or does someone have to actually look in them? I'm
curious... not looking for lunch.
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Has anyone out there had any experience with tankless hot water heaters?
Mary: We have a small unit that we have been using for several years in our
office kitchen. In-Sink-Erator, .5 gal, 750 watt, 60 cup hour recovery,
adjustable thermostat. 800-556-5700 You cannot take a shower w/ it, but for a
cup of tea it is a blessing. I suppose it would work for washing a sink of
dishes as well. We have had NO problem with our unit ever... which is
probably why your plumber is grumbling. If you do not want the hot water,
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Mary Krugman wrote:
> Has anyone out there had any experience with tankless hot water
> heaters? I am working on upgrading the plumbing systems in my tiny
> 1880s NJ camp meeting cottage.
Is this a full time of weekend place-
have used electric flash heaters extensively in NYC office pantries both
for hot tap water & Dishwashers & my experience is if they don't burn
out in the 1st 60 days I never hear about them...
Also back in the dawn of time installed higher capacity units on weekend
places for showers, washing machine etc- also Electric, gas units may or
may not have venting issues. Believe and again my info is maybe out of
date that for a full time occupancy house standard hw tank is more
energy efficient.
> The previous owners kept a standard hot water heater in an attached
> unheated shed and drained it before winter arrived, but I want to use
> it in the winter. The January freeze burst the exterior pipes, in
> spite of all my efforts to keep them warm with space heaters in
> strategic areas.
Would suggest electric heat tape/ Heat trace cable @ the pipes would be
a better investment & much more effective..
>
>
> I'm trying not to expand the building footprint, which would probably
> be necessary to accommodate the standard unit. I hope to gradually
> introduce sustainable systems as I rehab. A tankless system seems to
> offer a solution -- it provides hot water on demand so a large hot
> water storage tank isn't necessary, it saves energy, and seems small
> enough to fit into existing spaces.
>
> The plumbing contractor, however, says he has had bad experiences with
> them and mumbled something about refusing to service them.
>
> Another thought was solar heat/HW, but I have no experience with that
> kind of system. It might be more $ than I can handle.
1-NJ doesn't offer all that much sun- which is one of the reasons you
don't see all that many Solar collectors as you drive the neighborhood.
2- is the roof oriented to take advantage of the sun
3- is the roof structure up to carrying collectors.
dd
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<p>Mary Krugman wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Has anyone out there
had any experience with tankless hot water heaters? I am working on upgrading
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Is this a full time of weekend place-
<br>have used electric flash heaters extensively in NYC office pantries
both for hot tap water & Dishwashers & my experience is if they
don't burn out in the 1st 60 days I never hear about them...
<br>Also back in the dawn of time installed higher capacity units on weekend
places for showers, washing machine etc- also Electric, gas units may or
may not have venting issues. Believe and again my info is maybe out
of date that for a full time occupancy house standard hw tank is more energy
efficient.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>The previous owners
kept a standard hot water heater in an attached unheated shed and drained
it before winter arrived, but I want to use it in the winter. The January
freeze burst the exterior pipes, in spite of all my efforts to keep them
warm with space heaters in strategic areas.</font></font></blockquote>
Would suggest electric heat tape/ Heat trace cable @ the pipes would be
a better investment & much more effective..
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<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>I'm trying not to expand the building
footprint, which would probably be necessary to accommodate the standard
unit. I hope to gradually introduce sustainable systems as I rehab. A tankless
system seems to offer a solution -- it provides hot water on demand so
a large hot water storage tank isn't necessary, it saves energy, and seems
small enough to fit into existing spaces.</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>The plumbing contractor, however, says
he has had bad experiences with them and mumbled something about refusing
to service them.</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Another thought was solar heat/HW,
but I have no experience with that kind of system. It might be more $ than
I can handle.</font></font></blockquote>
1-NJ doesn't offer all that much sun- which is one of the reasons you don't
see all that many Solar collectors as you drive the neighborhood.
<br>2- is the roof oriented to take advantage of the sun
<br>3- is the roof structure up to carrying collectors.
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> Well, I'll probably be doing it again in a few weeks. Ruth
>
Ruth,
Advise you attempt to avoid it. Ditto falling into tar kettles.
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Missy Julep,
Nice to hear from youse. I'd been wondering where you were, and now we know.
You might give a call to Public Service or whoever your gas company is
downtheshore; they probably have all sorts of programs to subsidize green (or
even greenish) stuff. I would think that solar panels (and the attendant
piping all over the place, particularly in the upper reaches of the house)
wouldn't be good idea this far north, but I could be, ah, shall we say,
mistaken.
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<BR>
Nice to hear from youse. I'd been wondering where you were, and now we=
know. You might give a call to Public Service or whoever your gas com=
pany is downtheshore; they probably have all sorts of programs to subsidize=20=
green (or even greenish) stuff. I would think that solar panels (and t=
he attendant piping all over the place, particularly in the upper reaches of=
the house) wouldn't be good idea this far north, but I could be, ah, shall=20=
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> For halfways decent employers it works towards leveling the field, that
> safety is not always an expense over and beyond what the competition will
> do.
Good pernt, as we say in Joisey, Ken.
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r and beyond what the competition will do.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=
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Subject: Re: The Once-Delicate Terra Cotta on the Vanderbilt Hotel at 34th
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> I recently saw a facade where the TC was stripped &was told that the
> building is the future home of the sex industry museum.
Is this the current Museum of Sex down on 5th Av or Broadway or someplace,
which had a rather stripped-down look when I passed it recently, or have they
screwed up another building? Or is this another building being screwed up by
someone else entirely?
Apologies for the reproductive metaphors.
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he TC was stripped &was told that the building is the future home of the=
sex industry museum. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Is this the current Museum of Sex down on 5th Av or Broadway or someplace, w=
hich had a rather stripped-down look when I passed it recently, or have they=
screwed up another building? Or is this another building being screwe=
d up by someone else entirely?<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: Playing Games, was Burning Things
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Ken,
Philosophy of History can't possibly be any more boring than Modern
Architectural History.
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Philosophy of History can't possibly be any more boring than Modern Architec=
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> What cannot be put away at night is masonry walls and historic stoops.
>
And that's why Drew keeps a .22 out in the wilds of Lawn Gisland, where life
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary Krugman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:50 AM
>=20
>=20
> The plumbing contractor, however, says he has had bad=20
> experiences with them and mumbled something about refusing to=20
> service them.
I agree with Ken about the plumber's motives. These things are the norm
in Europe, I understand. I'd guess it to be pretty tried and true. So
maybe you should shop Grohe or Bosch or Volvo or something.
Try Euro 555-5555.
___________________________________________________
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Raleigh Historic from some flounder?"
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Thanks for the responses so far, but it seams to me, clumping issues aside,
that PCL makes a much better mortar - better plastic deformation and
autogeneous healing of cracks. What purpose does the pulverized limestone
have (powdered aggregate?) and isn't hydrated lime better?
Also the technical notes from the Brick Institute of America and the
Portland Cement Association "qualify" the heck out of describing what
masonry cement is - there is no good info provided. The primary aspects
mentioned are job site ease - one bag for cement, a pile of sand and water.
How is one supposed to confidently specify mortar when you can't find out
what is in it?
Mike E, can you shed some of your wisdom?
Thanks,
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Eric:
Masonry cement is a mixture of Portland cement, mineral filler, and other
components. The mineral filler is usually limestone powder. It can be
other things, such as diatomaceous earth, ground basalt, ground feldspar,
ground quartz, etc. The "other components" that I allude to, if included,
are usually hydrated lime, an air-entraining agent, and in some situations
an anti-cake agent. Calcined bentonite and calcined kaolin clays have also
been used. During the manufacture of masonry cement the Portland cement and
the limestone powder are usually mixed and interground in a ball mill. The
Portland cement becomes finer, more reactive, and more effective. Limestone
is the usual mineral filler because it does not cause excessive wear on the
ball mill. The approximate proportions for Type N masonry cement are 45%
Portland cement, 45% pulverized limestone, and 10% hydrated lime. In
manufacturing practice, the proportions are adjusted to a happy medium
between workability, ASTM C-270 strength, and RMC (raw materials cost).
It has not been my experience that the manufacturers will not divulge the
composition of their product. However, the sales force usually does not
have this information in their memory, although if you read the MSDS you can
get a good qualitative idea. The MSDS usually doesn't tell you the
admixtures, but they really aren't that difficult to identify with $10 worth
of labor and $20,000 worth of knowledge. The quantitative proportions are
usually only known to the lab and production guys. And to guys like me who
reverse engineer and develop these products.
Masonry cement is on the market because it is a profitable product that
performs well. It is primarily a bagged product. As such, it has a major
advantage over bagged Portland cement/hydrated lime mixtures; it cakes less.
That is primarily because of the interground mineral filler. Masonry cement
is also less expensive and has a couple of purely technical advantages. If
an air entrainer is used, the resulting mortar has enhanced frost
resistance. If the mineral filler is limestone, the masonry-cement mortar
also has more acid resistance because of the reactivity of the pulverized
limestone with acids. There are also more nebulous advantages related to
masonry cement being a relatively "Green" product.
Steve Stokowski
Stone Products Consultants
Building Products Microscopy
10 Clark St., Ste. A
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145
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I am trying to find out why masonry cement (MC) is on the market when
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better and more reliably?
As many of us know, MC is typically a mix of portland cement, pulverized
limestone and "proprietary admixtures" which manufacturers seldom (never)
will divulge. PCL is portland cement and lime, period.
Can anybody shed light on this for me?
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Ken:
Check out Dow Chemical
http://www.dowagro.com/sentricon/us/story/ask.htm
Once the untreated wood in the plastic termite bait station is found by
worker termites as they forage, then the untreated wood is replaced with
wood treated with growth inhibitor. The termites can not shed their
exo-skeleton and as a result die.
Bryan
========
Ken Follett wrote:
> where we use electronic pest chasers with great success
cp,
On a project for a house museum I was told about termite stations buried in
the ground around the house that are somehow checked for activity & when
there is activity the exterminators put poisons in the stations that are
carried back to the nest. Do you know if these are electronic sensors, or
does someone have to actually look in them? I'm curious... not looking for
lunch.
][<en
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<font color="#000099">Ken:</font><font color="#000099"></font>
<p><font color="#000099">Check out Dow Chemical</font>
<br><font color="#000099"><A HREF="http://www.dowagro.com/sentricon/us/story/ask.htm">http://www.dowagro.com/sentricon/us/story/ask.htm</A></font><font color="#000099"></font>
<p><font color="#000099">Once the untreated wood in the plastic termite
bait station is found by worker termites as they forage, then the untreated
wood is replaced with wood treated with growth inhibitor. The termites
can not shed their exo-skeleton and as a result die.</font><font color="#000099"></font>
<p><font color="#000099">Bryan</font>
<br><font color="#000099">========</font>
<p>Ken Follett wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>where we use electronic
pest chasers with great success</font></font></blockquote>
<p><br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>cp,</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>On a project for a house museum I
was told about termite stations buried in the ground around the house that
are somehow checked for activity & when there is activity the exterminators
put poisons in the stations that are carried back to the nest. Do you know
if these are electronic sensors, or does someone have to actually look
in them? I'm curious... not looking for lunch.</font></font>
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Termites Course 101. The termites' initial search is for a good neighborhood to live in. To them, a good neighborhood is one with damp soil. Once the neighborhood is picked, then they go shopping in the neighborhood. The shopper termites (workers) go out and hunt for the local mall. (Mall = wood near moist soil conditions. The best malls also offer a wood selection with just a hint of fungi activity. Yum-yum, now that's some fine eating.) Once a good shopping mall is found, these little 'shop till they drop' termites tell their shopping friends of the good bargains to be found. Soon everyone is shopping there.
In dealing with Termites, the trick is to keep the soil dry and easily drained of surface water (not French drains that introduce water down into the soil). If they do not like the neighborhood they will not do their shopping there either.
Termites have rights too.
=================
John Callan wrote:
> Even for people who have spent a lot of time dealing with termites have been known to not see the tunnels and other evidence of activity even from 8" with a flash light pointed at it. So any kind of early warning would be helpful, but not a substitute for training folks to observe and making sure that they are spending the time observing.
>
> This concept and several others that take advantage of the termites lack of creative behavior and predictability are promising. Certainly worth a try. Having said that, there is an awful lot of bull shit being sold as termite treatments. If you live where the frost goes down 3-4', you ain't got termites. Maybe something, but not termites. Of course there are exceptions. You can infest a heated building by importing termites and if you maintain heated access to the water and the ground you can keep the little buggers happy and alive. They probably won't expand much beyond the building...their expansion work confined to warmer seasons.
>
> In termite zones an interesting feature is that they don't show up for about 4 years after new construction is complete. They spend those years eating the stuff the builders threw in the builders trench and don't get started on the building until they've finished the builders trench. That's their favorite place to work...and I suppose their favorite food.
>
> Construction your building high on a dry rocky hill works real good. They like wet buildings. Watch where you bring your downspouts down and grade away from your building. It seems to me that if you use poison to kill critters who are following water into your building...you may be bringing the poisen in too. Anything that can kill a termite is mighty nasty stuff, for a termite is a formidable opponent.
>
> -jc
>
> On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 08:28 AM, Ken Follett wrote:
>
> where we use electronic pest chasers with great success
> cp,
> On a project for a house museum I was told about termite stations buried in the ground around the house that are somehow checked for activity & when there is activity the exterminators put poisons in the stations that are carried back to the nest. Do you know if these are electronic sensors, or does someone have to actually look in them? I'm curious... not looking for lunch.
> ][<en
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<font color="#3333FF">Termites Course 101. The termites' initial search
is for a good neighborhood to live in. To them, a good neighborhood is
one with damp soil. Once the neighborhood is picked, then they go shopping
in the neighborhood. The shopper termites (workers) go out and hunt for
the local mall. (Mall = wood near moist soil conditions. The best malls
also offer a wood selection with just a hint of fungi activity. Yum-yum,
now that's some fine eating.) Once a good shopping mall is found, these
little 'shop till they drop' termites tell their shopping friends of the
good bargains to be found. Soon everyone is shopping there.</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">In dealing with Termites, the trick is to keep
the soil dry and easily drained of surface water (not French drains that
introduce water down into the soil). If they do not like the neighborhood
they will not do their shopping there either.</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">Termites have rights too.</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">=================</font>
<p>John Callan wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Even for people who have spent a lot of time dealing
with termites have been known to not see the tunnels and other evidence
of activity even from 8" with a flash light pointed at it. So any kind
of early warning would be helpful, but not a substitute for training folks
to observe and making sure that they are spending the time observing.
<p>This concept and several others that take advantage of the termites
lack of creative behavior and predictability are promising. Certainly worth
a try. Having said that, there is an awful lot of bull shit being sold
as termite treatments. If you live where the frost goes down 3-4', you
ain't got termites. Maybe something, but not termites. Of course there
are exceptions. You can infest a heated building by importing termites
and if you maintain heated access to the water and the ground you can keep
the little buggers happy and alive. They probably won't expand much beyond
the building...their expansion work confined to warmer seasons.
<p>In termite zones an interesting feature is that they don't show up for
about 4 years after new construction is complete. They spend those years
eating the stuff the builders threw in the builders trench and don't get
started on the building until they've finished the builders trench. That's
their favorite place to work...and I suppose their favorite food.
<p>Construction your building high on a dry rocky hill works real good.
They like wet buildings. Watch where you bring your downspouts down and
grade away from your building. It seems to me that if you use poison to
kill critters who are following water into your building...you may be bringing
the poisen in too. Anything that can kill a termite is mighty nasty stuff,
for a termite is a formidable opponent.
<p>-jc
<p>On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 08:28 AM, Ken Follett wrote:
<p> where we use electronic pest chasers with great
success
<br> cp,
<br> On a project for a house museum I was told
about termite stations buried in the ground around the house that are somehow
checked for activity & when there is activity the exterminators put
poisons in the stations that are carried back to the nest. Do you know
if these are electronic sensors, or does someone have to actually look
in them? I'm curious... not looking for lunch.
<br> ][<en</blockquote>
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> The termites can not shed their exo-skeleton and as a result die.
Bryan,
I'm shocked and dismayed. Bewitched, bothered and bewildered. Do the PETA
people know about this? Isn't this every bit as bad as (or maybe even worse
than) rectal electricution of our furry friends?
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Bryan,<BR>
<BR>
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> Termites have rights too.
Bryan,
I bet they have three of 'em, and three lefts, too. The little
out-of-wedlock offspring.
Is the above a sufficiently sanitized euphemism, Ken? Can we acronymize it
[Chrif: call Fafire and tell him to hold the preffef for thif new locution; I
think it'f pretty good, if I do fay fo myfelf] into OOWO to go with HTH
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Bryan,<BR>
<BR>
I bet they have three of 'em, and three lefts, too. The little out-of-=
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<BR>
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cution; I think it'f pretty good, if I do fay fo myfelf] </B>into OOWO to go=
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Ralph:
You must keep in mind that when these little wood eating buggers go to meet
their maker, its underground and unseen. So it like it doesn't even happen.
Now sneaking up and sticking electrodes in the south end of a north facing
furry friend is a completely different story. I know that our rabbit would
not take kindly to this type of procedure.
Shocked and hemroidaled,
Bryan
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> In a message dated 2/5/2003 2:35:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
>> The termites can not shed their exo-skeleton and as a result die.
>
> Bryan,
>
> I'm shocked and dismayed. Bewitched, bothered and bewildered. Do the PETA
> people know about this? Isn't this every bit as bad as (or maybe even
> worse than) rectal electricution of our furry friends?
>
> Ralph
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<p><font color="#000099">You must keep in mind that when these little wood
eating buggers go to meet their maker, its underground and unseen. So it
like it doesn't even happen. Now sneaking up and sticking electrodes in
the south end of a north facing furry friend is a completely different
story. I know that our rabbit would not take kindly to this type
of procedure.</font><font color="#000099"></font>
<p><font color="#000099">Shocked and hemroidaled,</font><font color="#000099"></font>
<p><font color="#000099">Bryan</font>
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<p>Ralph Walter wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>In a message dated
2/5/2003 2:35:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:</font></font>
<br>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font face="Arial"><font color="#000099"><font size=-1>The
termites can not shed their exo-skeleton and as a result die.</font></font></font></blockquote>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Bryan,</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>I'm shocked and
dismayed. Bewitched, bothered and bewildered. Do the PETA people know about
this? Isn't this every bit as bad as (or maybe even worse than) rectal
electricution of our furry friends?</font></font></font>
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Do they have lawyers, as well?
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In a message dated 2/5/2003 3:09:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
Termites have rights too.
Bryan,
I bet they have three of 'em, and three lefts, too. The little out-of-wedlock offspring.
Is the above a sufficiently sanitized euphemism, Ken? Can we acronymize it [Chrif: call Fafire and tell him to hold the preffef for thif new locution; I think it'f pretty good, if I do fay fo myfelf] into OOWO to go with HTH [which I guess doesn't mean "how the heck").
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/5/2003 3:09:48 PM Eastern Standard
Time, <A href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> writes:<BR><BR>
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too.</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Bryan,<BR><BR>I
bet they have three of 'em, and three lefts, too. The little
out-of-wedlock offspring.<BR><BR>Is the above a sufficiently sanitized
euphemism, Ken? Can we acronymize it <B>[Chrif: call Fafire and tell him to
hold the preffef for thif new locution; I think it'f pretty good, if I do fay
fo myfelf] </B>into OOWO to go with HTH [which I guess doesn't mean "how the
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How incestuous! I was led to believe that was a sign of someone who didn't
reach very far for new ideas, something to be avoided in higher learning.
But hey, maybe he/she got a good deal on tuition...
Signed, only got a BS but it took me 8-1/2 years (off and on)
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On another note, the lecturer got his undergraduate, graduate and doctoral
from Columbia U. ][<en
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I was disappointed that I couldn't set off fireworks in the mud and burn
piles of dry leaves after I moved to New York in 1959. But my 1956
sawtooth-design apartment house, designed [here comes the preservation
content] for the Doelger family by Boak & Raad, did have an incinerator, fed
by a chute. From the 7th floor, you could stick a mirror out into the shaft
and look down when they lit the fire every few days. Sometime later, I
discovered that, by dropping a waxed-paper milk carton as a torch, I could
put "fire in the hole" whenever I wanted. That was fun.
I also used to drop sparklers out the back window into the garden. One
summer, it was kind of dry, and I looked about twenty minutes later and saw 3
maintenance staff fighting a steadily expanding ring of fire in the over-dry
ground ivy.
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59. But my 1956 sawtooth-design apartment house, designed [here comes=20=
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e an incinerator, fed by a chute. From the 7th floor, you could stick=20=
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That was fun.
<BR>
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Subject: Re: The Once-Delicate Terra Cotta on the Vanderbilt Hotel at 34th
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Or is this another building being screwed up by someone else entirely?
Ralph: I think I took a picture... I'll look and see. I think it was on 5th
in the 70's. (I have a tendency of not remembering where I have been... comes
in handy for the occasional deposition when the grim reaper squoinks up the
job.) At first I thought it was a fairly aggressive cornice removal campaign,
then realized it was all of the water tables as well. The faces chopped off
and the cores exposed. A terracotectomy? ][<en
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quoinks up the job.) At first I thought it was a fairly aggressive cornice r=
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Mary-
Friends of ours upstate (Medusa)have been using an AquaStar for their full time residence for at least 12 years and have had no problems with it. I've seen it in action and it's great (I feared a slow gpm rate during shower time, but no discernable difference).
Twybil
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Philosophy of History can't possibly be any more boring than Modern
Architectural History.
Ralph: At least something happens during the Philosophy of History. ][<en
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Gee, tanks for all the input, guys. Love all the good experiences. I'll keep
poking around the web and ask in OCNJ for some distributors.
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In a message dated 2/5/2003 5:00:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Ralph: I think I took a picture... I'll look and see. I
> think it was on 5th in the 70's.
Ken,
This is definfitely another building than the one I saw. Wonder if Sidney Biddle Barrows is in on this Cooz (is that an OK euphemism?) Industry Museum on the Upper East Side.
Also interesting that this is, uh, coming out at the same time as Heidi Fleiss' new book, "Pandering" which I learned all about on the Today Show this AM, while doing cardiac rehab. Heidi (F, not our Heidi H) looks a little too preserved and artificially enhanced, BTW.
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/5/2003 5:03:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Friends of ours upstate (Medusa)have been using an AquaStar for their full time residence for at least 12 years and have had no problems with it. I've seen it in action and it's great (I feared a slow gpm rate during shower time, but no
> discernable difference).
Mr. T,
Please tell us more. Who is Aquastar? Does one want this exemplary product even if one could have a regular water heater? Like f'rinstance me, who keeps finding little white crumb-like thingies clogging the strainer on the kitchen sink (I thought they were dishwasher detergent remnants) and the other day in the strainer on the hot water feed for the washing machine.
Sign me,
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> Philosophy of History can't possibly be any more boring than Modern Architectural History.
>
> Ralph: At least something happens during the Philosophy of
> History. ][<en
Sleep counts as "something [that] happens" in this case? Or did you mean driving on the LIE?
Ralph
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> which I learned all about on the Today Show this AM, while doing cardiac
>
Hey, do you have a pacemaker/defibrillator like my daughter got in January?
Nice scar, hunh? Yr frnd, I Hear They Cost $50,000 Apiece, But I Haven't
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aquastar is electric boche is gas. local home depot carry both. =
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> aquastar is electric boche is gas. local home depot carry both. however
> they
> will freeze in unheated spaces.
>
So I still need my space heaters, right?
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So I still need my space heaters, right?<BR>
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Hi Rudy, Apparently you are not one of the city crowd on this list, or the
trees in the park are getting tapped. If that were the case I imagine I'd
see it on TV even way up here. So where do you do all this sugaring? Ruth
At 8:16 AM -0500 2/5/03, Rudy Christian wrote:
>Ruth hopes:
>
>>>Well, I'll probably be doing it again in a few weeks.<<
>
>It sure makes it feel like winter is finally loosening its grip when its
>time to boil the spiles and find the really poorly made mallet from my
>high school shop class. It's our little tradition to use it to tap in
>the spiles.
>
>We started sugaring as a home school project (math, chemistry, botany
>and American history all rolled into one!) and never stopped.
>
>Can't wait!
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:41:40 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: frass in cp termite termini
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In a message dated 2/5/2003 3:40:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> You must keep in mind that when these little wood eating buggers go to meet
> their maker, its underground and unseen. So it like it doesn't even happen.
> Now sneaking up and sticking electrodes in the south end of a north facing
> furry friend is a completely different story. I know that our rabbit would
> not take kindly to this type of procedure.
>
> Shocked and hemroidaled,
>
> Bryan
>
>
>
Bryan,
Although it hadn't occurred to me that the conversion of our cellulose-eating
relatives from a living to post-living status occurs in a below-grade
environment, I hardly see why that should make it preferable that these
fellow creatures, put by God or by Evolution, as you prefer, on (and in!)
this Earth to help keep our natural resource areas clean are put to death
using slow-acting toxins that disrupt the natural growth cycles, as opposed
to using a natural (and renewable, in the case of hydroelectric generation)
energy resource to induce the far more rapid (which I understand is generally
considered an important element of what ordinarily constitutes a relatively
"humane") transition to permanent membership in the deceased community of
hirsute varmints.
Would it not be more offensive to you were termites brought to meet their
Maker between the sheets of your bed, than underground?
Awaiting your euphemistic response, I remain,
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/5/2003 3:40:34 PM Eastern Standar=
d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000099"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">You must keep in mind that when these little wood eating bu=
ggers go to meet their maker, its underground and unseen. So it like it does=
n't even happen. Now sneaking up and sticking electrodes in the south end of=
a north facing furry friend is a completely different story. I know t=
hat our rabbit would not take kindly to this type of procedure.</FONT><FONT=20=
COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SA=
NSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000099" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Shocked and hemroidaled,</FO=
NT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAM=
ILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000099" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Bryan</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"=
#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" F=
ACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Bryan,<BR>
<BR>
Although it hadn't occurred to me that the conversion of our cellulose-eatin=
g relatives from a living to post-living status occurs in a below-grade envi=
ronment, I hardly see why that should make it preferable that these fellow c=
reatures, put by God or by Evolution, as you prefer, on (and in!) this Earth=
to help keep our natural resource areas clean are put to death using slow-a=
cting toxins that disrupt the natural growth cycles, as opposed to using a n=
atural (and renewable, in the case of hydroelectric generation) energy resou=
rce to induce the far more rapid (which I understand is generally considered=
an important element of what ordinarily constitutes a relatively "humane")=20=
transition to permanent membership in the deceased community of hirsute varm=
ints.<BR>
<BR>
Would it not be more offensive to you were termites brought to meet th=
eir Maker between the sheets of your bed, than underground?<BR>
<BR>
Awaiting your euphemistic response, I remain,<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:55:31 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: john <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Masonry Cement or PCL
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Masonry cement mortars (masonry cement + sand+water) are made from
proprietary mortar mixes called masonry cement. The manufacturer
combines into one bag portland cement with such materials materials as
natural cement, finely ground limestone or hydrated lime, an
air-entraining agent and gypsum to regulate the time of set. The
principal advantage of of masonry cement mortar is its convenience in
mixing, and generally good working properties. However, since the
masonry cement standard ASTM C-91 does not limit the additives, ad does
the portland cement standard, each manufacturer has the option of
varying the types and extent of additives. This makes it difficult to
predict the performance of masonry assemblies erected with masonry
cements in general, although laboratory test results from individual
manufactures for specific cements can serve as a guide. The short
answer is that it is easy to use masonry cements. If individual
components had to be blended on the job site the results would be even
harder to predict. The materials work well for new construction. I do
not recommend masonry cements for very soft old brick lime and sand
would be safer.
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 04:40 PM, Hammarberg, Eric wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I am trying to find out why masonry cement (MC) is on the market when
> portland cement / lime (PCL) mortars appear, at least to me, to perform
> better and more reliably?
>
> As many of us know, MC is typically a mix of portland cement,
> pulverized
> limestone and "proprietary admixtures" which manufacturers seldom
> (never)
> will divulge. PCL is portland cement and lime, period.
>
> Can anybody shed light on this for me?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric Hammarberg
> Still Director of Preservation
> Associate
> Still at LZA Technology
> 641 Avenue of the Americas
> New York, NY 10011-2014
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:50:39 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
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In a message dated 2/5/2003 3:21:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Do the PETA people know about this?
Hopefully they will find out and maybe eat the baited wood in order to save
the termites.
Steve
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=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/5/2003 3:21:24 PM Eastern=
Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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rial" LANG=3D"0">Do the PETA people know about this?</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FON=
T COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"=
SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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Hopefully they will find out and maybe eat the baited wood in order to save=20=
the termites.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:01:23 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Once-Delicate Ralph
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In a message dated 2/5/2003 6:36:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Hey, do you have a pacemaker/defibrillator like my daughter got in January?
> Nice scar, hunh? Yr frnd, I Hear They Cost $50,000 Apiece, But I Haven't
> Seen The Bill
Negatory, just a scar. Defects were repaired successfully (to date, anyway)
without permanent installation of non-original equipment. Hope hers was
equally successful.
Also saw no bills.
Sign me,
Keeps on Tickin'
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Hey, do you have a pacemaker/defibrillator like my da=
ughter got in January? Nice scar, hunh? Yr frnd, I H=
ear They Cost $50,000 Apiece, But I Haven't Seen The Bill</FONT><FONT COLOR=
=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERI=
F" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Negatory, just a scar. Defects were repaired successfully (to date, an=
yway) without permanent installation of non-original equipment. Hope h=
ers was equally successful.<BR>
<BR>
Also saw no bills.<BR>
<BR>
Sign me,<BR>
<BR>
Keeps on Tickin'</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:13:26 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Tap, tap, tap that maple tree
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In a message dated 2/5/03 8:35:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Apparently you are not one of the city crowd on this list, or the
> trees in the park are getting tapped.
Hey, Ruth can we tap regular old mapletrees in central park? Or is
theremoreto it than that?
Yrs, Buttermilk
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ndard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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he city crowd on this list, or the<BR>
trees in the park are getting tapped. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Hey, Ruth can we tap regular old mapletrees in central park? Or is theremore=
to it than that?<BR>
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:17:49 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Tankless hot water heaters
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In a message dated 2/5/2003 7:27:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> aquastar is electric boche is gas. local home depot carry both. however
> they
> will freeze in unheated spaces.
>
Dear Goat Person,
Although I don't believe we've met, thank you for the above.
Do I want one, and can I rely on one to provide copious amounts of hot water
NOW (but not necessarily instantly) in lieu of the standard 75 gal Rheem
which appears to be on its way to Water Heater Heaven after about 15 years?
Kweeping in mind that my detached 3 story residence is located in northern
Noo Joisey, and that said residence is occupied full time, year-round by 6
people, 5 of whom complain incessantly.
Thanking you in advance, I remain,
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/5/2003 7:27:35 PM Eastern Standar=
d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">aquastar is electric boch=
e is gas. local home depot carry both. however they</FONT><FONT=20=
COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SA=
NSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">will freeze in unheated=20=
spaces.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" S=
IZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Dear Goat Person,<BR>
<BR>
Although I don't believe we've met, thank you for the above. <BR>
<BR>
Do I want one, and can I rely on one to provide copious amounts of hot water=
NOW (but not necessarily instantly) in lieu of the standard 75 gal Rheem wh=
ich appears to be on its way to Water Heater Heaven after about 15 years?&nb=
sp; <BR>
<BR>
Kweeping in mind that my detached 3 story residence is located in northern N=
oo Joisey, and that said residence is occupied full time, year-round b=
y 6 people, 5 of whom complain incessantly. <BR>
<BR>
Thanking you in advance, I remain,<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:21:16 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
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In a message dated 2/5/2003 8:51:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Hopefully they will find out and maybe eat the baited wood in order to save
> the termites.
>
Now you're talking. Or they could insert the electrodes into their own recta
(recti?) by way of proving the cruelties they allege.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/5/2003 8:51:24 PM Eastern Standar=
d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Hopefully they will find out and maybe eat the baited=20=
wood in order to save the termites.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Now you're talking. Or they could insert the electrodes into their own=
recta (recti?) by way of proving the cruelties they allege.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:25:46 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Tap, tap, tap that maple tree
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In a message dated 2/5/2003 9:14:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Hey, Ruth can we tap regular old mapletrees in central park? Or is
> theremoreto it than that?
>
Chris,
If Henry Kissinger could tap telephones, you can tap maple trees in Central
Park.
But I can't tap dance.
Ralph
PS-- So what did Safire have to say about the new coinage, huh? Well? He
didn't call yet, or anything. He better not try to ignore me the way he did
when I pointed out his erroneous reference to "cement sidewalks."
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d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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l park? Or is theremoreto it than that?<BR>
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<BR>
If Henry Kissinger could tap telephones, you can tap maple trees in Central=20=
Park.<BR>
But I can't tap dance.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
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> Now you're talking. Or they could insert the electrodes into their own
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No tar kettles here Ralph. When I was a kid my Dad had a 5 gal bucket of
tar he got somewhere cheap. I used to play with it in summer when it would
get to the stage where I could scoop out a handful and stretch it out. Ruth
PS: We didn't have many toys
At 10:27 AM -0500 2/5/03, Ralph Walter wrote:
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Well, I'll probably be doing it again in a few weeks. Ruth
Ruth,
Advise you attempt to avoid it. Ditto falling into tar kettles.
Ralph
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Ralph Walter wrote:
>
> Would it not be more offensive to you were termites brought to meet
> their Maker between the sheets of your bed, than underground?
>
AMEN, you got that right. ..... .. .. .... hey .. wait a darn minute ...
Are you talking about Toxic Vapors?? No need to bring the U.N. in on this
O.K.?
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>>Hi Rudy, Apparently you are not one of the city crowd on this list,
or the
trees in the park are getting tapped. If that were the case I imagine
I'd
see it on TV even way up here. So where do you do all this sugaring?
Ruth<<
We have 54 acres of fallow land and woods in north central Ohio. Those
who have been here or have known us for long call it the center of the
universe.
Ohio was heavily logged and what we have now is re-growth forest in two
stages. The older is beyond the old property line and has never been
grazed or planted as far as we can tell. The rest is where fields were
"squared off" to accommodate tractors with multiple bottom plows. That's
were the best sugar maples are.
We are currently reconstructing an 1815 timber frame church here
(required content) for a home. It will be a shame to leave shack sweet
shack.
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>>Hey, Ruth can we tap regular old mapletrees in central park? Or is
theremoreto it than that?
Yrs, Buttermilk<<
Rudy here. Any maple tree will work, but the true "sugar maple" gets its
name from the high sugar content in the sap. It still takes about 50
gallons of sap to get a gallon of syrup, but it's a great way to get
moisture back in the house. We just take the tea kettle off and put the
sap pan on.
In the great white north, they also make birch syrup.
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Subject: Re: No, the plural is "rectangles"...
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> >> Now you're talking. Or they could insert the electrodes into their own
>> recta (recti?)
>
Speak for yourself, John.
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> No tar kettles here Ralph. When I was a kid my Dad had a 5 gal bucket of
> tar he got somewhere cheap. I used to play with it in summer when it would
> get to the stage where I could scoop out a handful and stretch it out.
> Ruth
>
> PS: We didn't have many toys
>
Ruth,
I wouldn't expect you to have your own, unless Da was a roofing contractor.
Does seem rather strange to me that they'd let you play with the stuff (even
the just-warm-in summer stuff, as opposed to the boiling stuff from a kettle)
from a can. Pretty sticky and messy and hard to clean off for anybody, much
less a little girl.
No doubt you had better things to occupy yourselves with than toys. My mother
(the South GA farm girl who moved to Los Angeles and married the Hebe) once
said that when her mother came from GA to visit us in CA, that Granny was
horrified (well, less than approving, ) that we had so MANY toys. Could
explain a lot of things about Mrs. Ralph Seniorette.
Ralph
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ould<BR>
get to the stage where I could scoop out a handful and stretch it out. =
Ruth<BR>
<BR>
PS: We didn't have many toys<BR>
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I wouldn't expect you to have your own, unless Da was a roofing contractor.&=
nbsp; Does seem rather strange to me that they'd let you play with the stuff=
(even the just-warm-in summer stuff, as opposed to the boiling stuff from a=
kettle) from a can. Pretty sticky and messy and hard to clean off for=
anybody, much less a little girl.<BR>
<BR>
No doubt you had better things to occupy yourselves with than toys. My mothe=
r (the South GA farm girl who moved to Los Angeles and married the Hebe) onc=
e said that when her mother came from GA to visit us in CA, that Grann=
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Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
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Once a good shopping mall is found, these little 'shop till they drop'
termites tell their shopping friends of the good bargains to be found. Soon
everyone is shopping there.
OK Bryan... now please please please connect this lovely little fable in with
Martha Stewart and Ralph Loren! I'm looking forward to "World According to
Termite". ][<en
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> AMEN, you got that right. ..... .. .. .... hey .. wait a darn minute ...
> Are you talking about Toxic Vapors?? No need to bring the U.N. in on this
> O.K.?
>
> I. Rack
>
>
I don't see that the means by which you premedititatively deprive God's Own
Termites of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness in your bed makes any
difference. The Frogs and all those other candy-frassed, lily-livered
foreigners at the UN would....well, who knows what they'd do? [I know what
they'd do: talk about it and then do nothing, but it would still be wrong].
You get my drift. And you better not give any termites YOUR drift, or we'll
be calling John Ashcroft. Wait: does that word need an apostrophe?
Ralph (not sure the drugs have kicked in yet)
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/6/2003 7:56:48 AM Eastern Standar=
d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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t a darn minute ... Are you talking about Toxic Vapors?? No need to bring th=
e U.N. in on this O.K.?</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-C=
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<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000099" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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<BR>
I don't see that the means by which you premedititatively deprive God's Own=20=
Termites of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness in your bed makes a=
ny difference. The Frogs and all those other candy-frassed, lily-liver=
ed foreigners at the UN would....well, who knows what they'd do? [I kn=
ow what they'd do: talk about it and then do nothing, but it would still be=20=
wrong].<BR>
<BR>
You get my drift. And you better not give any termites YOUR drift, or we'll=20=
be calling John Ashcroft. Wait: does that word need an apostrophe?<BR>
<BR>
Ralph (not sure the drugs have kicked in yet)</FONT></HTML>
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But what about all the poor sweet little innocent Iraqi termites? I mean, they live like us already, don't they?
----- Original Message -----
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 7:56:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
AMEN, you got that right. ..... .. .. .... hey .. wait a darn minute ... Are you talking about Toxic Vapors?? No need to bring the U.N. in on this O.K.?
I. Rack
I don't see that the means by which you premedititatively deprive God's Own Termites of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness in your bed makes any difference. The Frogs and all those other candy-frassed, lily-livered foreigners at the UN would....well, who knows what they'd do? [I know what they'd do: talk about it and then do nothing, but it would still be wrong].
You get my drift. And you better not give any termites YOUR drift, or we'll be calling John Ashcroft. Wait: does that word need an apostrophe?
Ralph (not sure the drugs have kicked in yet)
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<DIV><FONT size=2>But what about all the poor sweet little innocent Iraqi
termites? I mean, they live like us already, don't they?
</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph Walter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:40
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: frass in cp termite
termini</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/6/2003 7:56:48 AM Eastern Standard
Time, <A href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
TYPE="CITE"></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000099 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">AMEN, you got that right.
..... .. .. .... hey .. wait a darn minute ... Are you talking about Toxic
Vapors?? No need to bring the U.N. in on this O.K.?</FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> <BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000099 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">I. Rack</FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I don't see that the means by
which you premedititatively deprive God's Own Termites of life, liberty
and pursuit of happiness in your bed makes any difference. The Frogs and
all those other candy-frassed, lily-livered foreigners at the UN
would....well, who knows what they'd do? [I know what they'd do: talk
about it and then do nothing, but it would still be wrong].<BR><BR>You get my
drift. And you better not give any termites YOUR drift, or we'll be calling
John Ashcroft. Wait: does that word need an apostrophe?<BR><BR>Ralph
(not sure the drugs have kicked in yet)</FONT>
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Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
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You must keep in mind that when these little wood eating buggers go to meet
their maker
I, for one, think that we should bring this all to the attention of PETA. I
would not be shocked if termites do not want to have more quality time with
their familes and live longer lives. Hopefully Ralph will go first on calling
PETA, that is, since he is already a TV person. ][<en
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I, for one, think that we should bring this all to the attention of PETA. I=20=
would not be shocked if termites do not want to have more quality time with=20=
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:45:41 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Tap, tap, tap that maple tree
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 8:02:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> north central Ohio. Those who have been here or have known us for long call
> it the center of the universe.
>
Rudy,
There are a lot of Manhattanites (and probably some sodomites, and
Saddamites, too) who consider the center of the universe to be elsewhere.
Ralph
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d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">north central Ohio. Those who h=
ave been here or have known us for long call it the center of the universe.<=
BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Rudy,<BR>
<BR>
There are a lot of Manhattanites (and probably some sodomites, and Saddamite=
s, too) who consider the center of the universe to be elsewhere.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: Playing Games, was Burning Things
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How incestuous! I was led to believe that was a sign of someone who didn't
reach very far for new ideas
How far back do you want them to reach? Making it possibly worse, he is a
prof at CUNY... meaning he did not reach very far away from the nest, either.
Termite U anyone? ][<en
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sign of someone who didn't<BR>
reach very far for new ideas</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
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of at CUNY... meaning he did not reach very far away from the nest, either.=20=
Termite U anyone? ][<en</FONT></HTML>
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Personally, I have a very fine termite skin coat at home, and I don't want some yellow bellied sapsucker PETA person spray painting me!
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Follett
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
You must keep in mind that when these little wood eating buggers go to meet their maker
I, for one, think that we should bring this all to the attention of PETA. I would not be shocked if termites do not want to have more quality time with their familes and live longer lives. Hopefully Ralph will go first on calling PETA, that is, since he is already a TV person. ][<en
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Personally, I have a very fine termite skin coat at home, and
I don't want some yellow bellied sapsucker PETA person spray painting
me!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
[log in to unmask]
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:44
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: cp termite stations?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial
color=#000099 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">You must keep in mind that when these
little wood eating buggers go to meet their maker
<BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>I, for one, think that we should bring this all to the
attention of PETA. I would not be shocked if termites do not want to have more
quality time with their familes and live longer lives. Hopefully Ralph will go
first on calling PETA, that is, since he is already a TV person.
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Burning Man, Redux...
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I was disappointed that I couldn't set off fireworks in the mud and burn
piles of dry leaves
Sharpshooter: So, are you interested in an expedition to Burning Man? I see
it as one of those things possibly we will later feel we need to have done,
like Woodstock. On another note, Burbank, Ohio is know for raging bonfires.
Or is it the EXPLOSION that you covet? Or rockets, we can do rockets in NYC
in Brooklyn. ][<en
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Sharpshooter: So, are you interested in an expedition to Burning Man? I see=20=
it as one of those things possibly we will later feel we need to have done,=20=
like Woodstock. On another note, Burbank, Ohio is know for raging bonfires.=20=
Or is it the EXPLOSION that you covet? Or rockets, we can do rockets in NYC=20=
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: frass in cp termite termini
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 8:45:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> But what about all the poor sweet little innocent Iraqi termites? I mean,
> they live like us already, don't they?
>
Pam,
I'd like to think that we Americans live even BETTER than Iraqi termites,
even the sweet ones. Besides, Saddam's probably already had uncaring sex (or
another fate worse than death) with them. The bugger.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/6/2003 8:45:22 AM Eastern Standar=
d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">But what about all the poor swe=
et little innocent Iraqi termites? I mean, they live like us already,=20=
don't they? </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
#ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Pam,<BR>
<BR>
I'd like to think that we Americans live even BETTER than Iraqi termites, ev=
en the sweet ones. Besides, Saddam's probably already had uncaring sex=
(or another fate worse than death) with them. The bugger.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 8:45:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Hopefully Ralph will go first on calling PETA, that is, since he is already
> a TV person.
Ken,
I watch WETA (especially the shows with the models in fur coats). Somebody
else will have to call PETA.
But remember to send your Pinhead dues to me, before contributing to either
-ETA.
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/6/2003 8:45:47 AM Eastern Standar=
d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hopefully Ralph will go first o=
n calling PETA, that is, since he is already a TV person.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT=
><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMIL=
Y=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Ken,<BR>
<BR>
I <U>watch</U> WETA (especially the shows with the models in fur coats).&nbs=
p; Somebody else will have to <U>call</U> PETA.<BR>
<BR>
But remember to send your Pinhead dues to me, before contributing to either=20=
-ETA.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:57:51 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: "J. Bryan Blundell" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: frass in cp termite termini
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[Image]"Yum-yum dead stinky stuff."
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Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/6/2003 7:56:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
>> AMEN, you got that right. ..... .. .. .... hey .. wait a darn minute
>> ... Are you talking about Toxic Vapors?? No need to bring the U.N. in
>> on this O.K.?
>>
>> I. Rack
>>
>
> I don't see that the means by which you premedititatively deprive God's
> Own Termites of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness in your bed makes
> any difference. The Frogs and all those other candy-frassed,
> lily-livered foreigners at the UN would....well, who knows what they'd
> do? [I know what they'd do: talk about it and then do nothing, but it
> would still be wrong].
>
> You get my drift. And you better not give any termites YOUR drift, or
> we'll be calling John Ashcroft. Wait: does that word need an apostrophe?
>
> Ralph (not sure the drugs have kicked in yet)
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<p>Ralph Walter wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>In a message dated
2/6/2003 7:56:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:</font></font>
<br>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font face="Arial"><font color="#000099"><font size=-1>AMEN,
you got that right. ..... .. .. .... hey .. wait a darn minute ...
Are you talking about Toxic Vapors?? No need to bring the U.N. in on this
O.K.?</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000099"><font size=-1>I. Rack</font></font></font>
<br> </blockquote>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>I don't see that
the means by which you premedititatively deprive God's Own Termites of
life, liberty and pursuit of happiness in your bed makes any difference.
The Frogs and all those other candy-frassed, lily-livered foreigners at
the UN would....well, who knows what they'd do? [I know what they'd
do: talk about it and then do nothing, but it would still be wrong].</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>You get my drift.
And you better not give any termites YOUR drift, or we'll be calling John
Ashcroft. Wait: does that word need an apostrophe?</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Ralph (not sure
the drugs have kicked in yet)</font></font></font></blockquote>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 8:47:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Personally, I have a very fine termite skin coat at home, and I don't want
> some yellow bellied sapsucker PETA person spray painting me!
>
Pam,
Then you must have LOVED the article in the Times the other day about some
Frog (or wog, at least) who decorated the interior of a reception room in
some palace in Brussels with the carapaces of Asian beetles. LOTS of them.
On second thought, maybe Rudy's really does have a better handle on the
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/6/2003 8:47:48 AM Eastern Standar=
d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Personally, I have a very fine=20=
termite skin coat at home, and I don't want some yellow bellied sapsucker PE=
TA person spray painting me!</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGRO=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Pam,<BR>
<BR>
Then you must have LOVED the article in the Times the other day about some F=
rog (or wog, at least) who decorated the interior of a reception room in som=
e palace in Brussels with the carapaces of Asian beetles. LOTS of them.<BR>
<BR>
On second thought, maybe Rudy's really does have a better handle on the cent=
er of the universe than the New Yorkers.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: frass in cp termite termini
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Considering the size of the termite queen compared to all the sweet sticky ones, I wouldn't be surprized if the man has a harem of termite queens.
- Pam
PS - too bad I couldn't draw a tongue in cheek on that last one. ;-^) might do it!
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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: frass in cp termite termini
In a message dated 2/6/2003 8:45:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
But what about all the poor sweet little innocent Iraqi termites? I mean, they live like us already, don't they?
Pam,
I'd like to think that we Americans live even BETTER than Iraqi termites, even the sweet ones. Besides, Saddam's probably already had uncaring sex (or another fate worse than death) with them. The bugger.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Considering the size of the termite queen compared to all the
sweet sticky ones, I wouldn't be surprized if the man has a harem of termite
queens.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>PS - too bad I couldn't draw a tongue in cheek on that last
one. ;-^) might do it!</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
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<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph Walter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:52
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: frass in cp termite
termini</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/6/2003 8:45:22 AM Eastern Standard
Time, <A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
TYPE="CITE">But what about all the poor sweet little innocent Iraqi
termites? I mean, they live like us already, don't they?
</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT
lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Pam,<BR><BR>I'd like to think that we Americans live
even BETTER than Iraqi termites, even the sweet ones. Besides, Saddam's
probably already had uncaring sex (or another fate worse than death) with
them. The bugger.<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:02:46 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
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Ralph -
Didn't see that one, and I've been a bit of a lurker the last few days. They've actually been keeping me busy at work. Something Xerox never understood how to do. DOH - did I type that outloud?
- Pam
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Walter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
In a message dated 2/6/2003 8:47:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
Personally, I have a very fine termite skin coat at home, and I don't want some yellow bellied sapsucker PETA person spray painting me!
Pam,
Then you must have LOVED the article in the Times the other day about some Frog (or wog, at least) who decorated the interior of a reception room in some palace in Brussels with the carapaces of Asian beetles. LOTS of them.
On second thought, maybe Rudy's really does have a better handle on the center of the universe than the New Yorkers.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Ralph -</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Didn't see that one, and I've been a bit of a lurker the last
few days. They've actually been keeping me busy at work. Something
Xerox never understood how to do. DOH - did I type that
outloud?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph Walter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
[log in to unmask]
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:00
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: cp termite stations?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/6/2003 8:47:48 AM Eastern Standard
Time, <A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
TYPE="CITE">Personally, I have a very fine termite skin coat at home, and I
don't want some yellow bellied sapsucker PETA person spray painting
me!</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT
lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Pam,<BR><BR>Then you must have LOVED the article in the
Times the other day about some Frog (or wog, at least) who decorated the
interior of a reception room in some palace in Brussels with the carapaces of
Asian beetles. LOTS of them.<BR><BR>On second thought, maybe Rudy's really
does have a better handle on the center of the universe than the New
Yorkers.<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:07:56 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: frass in cp termite termini
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 9:02:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Considering the size of the termite queen compared to all the sweet sticky
> ones, I wouldn't be surprized if the man has a harem of termite queens.
>
Termite queens, termite queens..... maybe, after Saddam is out of the
picture, they'd like to be introduced to Pyrate King. Think of the poetry
that could ensue. Omar Khayyam would be eclipsed. Or was that Omar Sharif?
Ralph
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d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Considering the size of the ter=
mite queen compared to all the sweet sticky ones, I wouldn't be surprized if=
the man has a harem of termite queens.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Termite queens, termite queens..... maybe, after Saddam is out of the pictur=
e, they'd like to be introduced to Pyrate King. Think of the poe=
try that could ensue. Omar Khayyam would be eclipsed. Or was tha=
t Omar Sharif?<BR>
<BR>
Ralph </FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:09:55 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Playing Games, was Burning Things
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Sleep counts as "something [that] happens" in this case? Or did you mean
driving on the LIE?
Ralph: My irreverent implication was meant that nothing happens in Modern
Architectural History. ][<en
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:12:24 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 9:03:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Ralph -
> Pam,
> Didn't see that one, and I've been a bit of a lurker the last few days. I
> suppose one could characterize it as tasteful and distasteful at the same
> time. They've actually been keeping me busy at work. So I guess today isn't
> one of "those" days, huh? Something Xerox never understood how to do. You
> showed them, didn't you! DOH - did I type that outloud? In my capacity as
> a Laurel and Hardy fan, I think Dan Castellanetta deserves great credit for
> reviving that expression.
>
> - Pam
-Ralph
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d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ralph -</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#=
000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FA=
CE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<B>Pam,</B> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Didn't see that one, and I'v=
e been a bit of a lurker the last few days. <B>I suppose one could character=
ize it as tasteful and distasteful at the same time.</B> They've actually be=
en keeping me busy at work. <B>So I guess today isn't one of "those" days, h=
uh?</B> Something Xerox never understood how to do. <B>You showed them=
, didn't you! </B> DOH - did I type that outloud? <B>In my capaci=
ty as a Laurel and Hardy fan</B>, <B>I think Dan Castellanetta deserves grea=
t credit for reviving that expression.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=
=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial"=20=
LANG=3D"0"></B><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">- Pam</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FO=
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Subject: Re: Playing Games, was Burning Things
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> My irreverent implication was meant that nothing happens in Modern
> Architectural History. ][<en
Ken,
Oh. [Terse enough for ya, Sharpshooter?]
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 9:03:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
Ralph -
Pam,
Ralph -
Didn't see that one, and I've been a bit of a lurker the last few days. I suppose one could characterize it as tasteful and distasteful at the same time. Only if you get caught. They've actually been keeping me busy at work. So I guess today isn't one of "those" days, huh? The brain just hasn't kicked in yet. Something Xerox never understood how to do. You showed them, didn't you! Better to officially quit than wait around for the layoff date. DOH - did I type that outloud? In my capacity as a Laurel and Hardy fan, I think Dan Castellanetta deserves great credit for reviving that expression. That's another fine mess you've gotten us into, Ralph.
- Pam
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<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2
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<DIV>Ralph -</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR><B>Pam,</B> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000
size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><STRONG><FONT color=#008000>Ralph
-</FONT></STRONG><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Didn't see that one, and
I've been a bit of a lurker the last few days. <B>I suppose one could
characterize it as tasteful and distasteful at the same time.</B> <FONT
color=#008000><STRONG>Only if you get caught. </STRONG></FONT>They've
actually been keeping me busy at work. <B>So I guess today isn't one of
"those" days, huh? <FONT color=#008000>The brain just hasn't kicked in
yet.</FONT></B> Something Xerox never understood how to do. <B>You
showed them, didn't you! <FONT color=#008000>Better to officially quit than
wait around for the layoff date. </FONT></B> DOH - did I type that
outloud? <B>In my capacity as a Laurel and Hardy fan</B>, <B>I think
Dan Castellanetta deserves great credit for reviving that expression. <FONT
color=#008000>That's another fine mess you've gotten us into,
Ralph.</FONT></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></B><BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:19:32 EST
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Subject: Re: From Brooklyn Standard Union, June 7, 1907...
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PS: We didn't have many toys
Ruth: I spent a great deal of time playing with rocks, sticks, dirt and
leaves. We had an abundance of "found" toys. ][<en
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Subject: Re: frass in cp termite termini
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Are you talking about Toxic Vapors?? No need to bring the U.N. in on this
O.K.?
Oh, I get it... mobile chemical warfare plants...
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The dirt pile was the best, especially with the lego parts and tonka trucks.
- Pam
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PS: We didn't have many toys
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The dirt pile was the best, especially with the lego parts and
tonka trucks.</FONT></DIV>
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The dirt pile was the best, especially with the lego parts and tonka trucks.
My entire life is structured around playing in a dirt pile. The models of
social order that a child imposes on a collection of pebbles hand sifted from
the dirt suddenly becomes a BP community. My first recognition of building
fences was pushing sticks into the ground. My first constructions of
buildings were mounds, with a stick for a chimney, later morphed into flat
rocks with supporting walls of smaller stones. Yes, there were commercial
additions, Tonka and Lego, but they always took a back role to the
fabrications of the imagination that a plenitude of natural objects found in
the woods provided. It was where we congregated and held our community of
children free of the structure of school and free of adults. And then there
were the wars. When we would get bored or tired of each other we would drop
the biggest rocks on our communities to wipe them out. Sometimes we got
carried away and threw rocks and dirt at each other. When the pile was wiped
clean we would start over and rebuild a new world. I find the feel of dirt in
my hair comforting. Let the pebbles speak.
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the dirt suddenly becomes a BP community. My first recognition of building f=
ences was pushing sticks into the ground. My first constructions of building=
s were mounds, with a stick for a chimney, later morphed into flat rocks wit=
h supporting walls of smaller stones. Yes, there were commercial additions,=20=
Tonka and Lego, but they always took a back role to the fabrications of the=20=
imagination that a plenitude of natural objects found in the woods provided.=
It was where we congregated and held our community of children free of the=20=
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our communities to wipe them out. Sometimes we got carried away and threw ro=
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t the pebbles speak.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:51:04 EST
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Subject: Re: Tap, tap, tap that maple tree
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Hey, Ruth can we tap regular old mapletrees in central park? Or is
theremoreto it than that?
Sharpshooter: If you don't get hanged for it you can tap any maples. ][<en
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Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 9:17:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> >> Ralph -
>> Pam,
>> Ralph -
>> Pam,
> >> Didn't see that one, and I've been a bit of a lurker the last few days. I
>> suppose one could characterize it as tasteful and distasteful at the same
>> time. Only if you get caught. I didn't mean that YOU were doing anything
>> that could be characterized as tasteful and distasteful. I meant the idea
>> of covering, by an interior decorator, of architectural surfaces
>> (including a chandelier) with dead bugs. They've actually been keeping me
>> busy at work. So I guess today isn't one of "those" days, huh? The brain
>> just hasn't kicked in yet. Tell me about it. Something Xerox never
>> understood how to do. You showed them, didn't you! Better to officially
>> quit than wait around for the layoff date. Especially if you have another
>> job lined up, but if Unemployment looms as one's source of income, one
>> doesn't want to jeopardize one's immediate future. DOH - did I type that
>> outloud? In my capacity as a Laurel and Hardy fan, I think Dan
>> Castellanetta deserves great credit for reviving that expression. That's
>> another fine mess you've gotten us into, Ralph. Why don't you do
>> something to help me?
>>
>> - Pam
>>
>
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d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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<B>Pam,</B> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>Ralph -<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff0080" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Pam,</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOT=
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=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PAD=
DING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #=
ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Didn't see t=
hat one, and I've been a bit of a lurker the last few days. <B>I suppose one=
could characterize it as tasteful and distasteful at the same time.</B> </F=
ONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FA=
MILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>Only if you get caught. </FO=
NT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff0000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAM=
ILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I didn't mean that YOU were doin=
g anything that could be characterized as tasteful and distasteful. I meant=20=
the idea of covering, by an interior decorator, of architectural surfaces (i=
ncluding a chandelier) with dead bugs. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=
=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial"=20=
LANG=3D"0"></B>They've actually been keeping me busy at work. <B>So I guess=20=
today isn't one of "those" days, huh? </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008000" style=
=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial"=20=
LANG=3D"0">The brain just hasn't kicked in yet.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#00000=
0" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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ND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><=
B>Tell me about it. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND=
-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B=
> Something Xerox never understood how to do. <B>You showed them, didn't you=
! </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Better to officially qui=
t than wait around for the layoff date. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0"></B> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff0080" style=3D"BACKGROUND-CO=
LOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>Esp=
ecially if you have another job lined up, but if Unemployment looms as one's=
source of income, one doesn't want to jeopardize one's immediate future. </=
FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 F=
AMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B>DOH - did I type that outl=
oud? <B>In my capacity as a Laurel and Hardy fan</B>, <B>I think Dan C=
astellanetta deserves great credit for reviving that expression. </FONT><FON=
T COLOR=3D"#008000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"=
SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">That's another fine mess you've gotten=20=
us into, Ralph. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff0080" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> Why do=
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Subject: Re: frass in cp termite termini
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> Oh, I get it... mobile chemical warfare plants...
Beans, beans, the musical fruit.....
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d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:00:33 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: From Brooklyn Standard Union, June 7, 1907...
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> The dirt pile was the best, especially with the lego parts and tonka trucks.
>
Give me scrap wood any day.
Ralph (Termite's Friend, Plumber's Helper, Master of Nuns)
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d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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ecially with the lego parts and tonka trucks.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Give me scrap wood any day.<=
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Subject: Re: Dirt Piles
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> I find the feel of dirt in my hair comforting. Let the pebbles speak.
>
Eeewww. Don't hold your breath, Demosthenes.
--Euripides Pants. Yes, Eumenides.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>Eeewww. Don't hold=20=
your breath, Demosthenes.<BR>
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As ][<en reveals:
>>My first recognition of building fences was pushing sticks
into the ground. My first constructions of buildings were mounds, with a
stick for a chimney, later morphed into flat rocks with supporting walls
of smaller stones.<<
For me it was learning how to navigate all the tunnels,
passages, ladders and secret places that where serendipitously created
by over a century of farm activity in Mr. Formaneck's barn. He was a
pretty gruff old character, but I got along really well with his son's
and worked for them in the summer and on weekends. My other friends were
the kids whose parents had bought a spec house on Formaneck Lane. It was
the small community created by developing the "frontage" and it was made
up of folks with very diverse backgrounds and origins. The houses were
typical post WWII ranches that had a very bizarre architectural
relationship with the century farmhouse, barn and outbuildings.
Directly across the road was the Gahagan estate. A large brick house
overgrown by once majestic landscaping giving the front porch a dark and
forbidding appearance. That combined with the musty smells from beyond
the Victorian style screen door was enough to keep the most curious
adventurer from having any interest in going inside. The barn had been
lost many years (centuries? Millennia?) before to fire, and by the time
we moved away the farmland had become a sod farm.
My earliest construction memories are of the hydro dynamic.
Great fun could be had damming up the slow meandering flow of French
Creek in the summer. We would build communities along the edges of the
flow and then flood them by damming the creek. Little did I realize then
that I would make friends in later life with Crow Indians whose past
relationship with our government had yielded the same results with their
long houses and sacred lands.
Funny how it comes and goes.
Rudy
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reveals:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span =
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>  =
; </span>>></span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>My first
recognition of building fences was pushing sticks into the ground. My =
first
constructions of buildings were mounds, with a stick for a chimney, =
later
morphed into flat rocks with supporting walls of smaller =
stones.<<<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span =
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>  =
; </span>For
me it was learning how to navigate all the tunnels, passages, ladders =
and
secret places that where serendipitously created by over a century of =
farm
activity in Mr. <span class=3DSpellE>Formaneck’s</span> barn. He =
was a
pretty gruff old character, but I got along really well with his =
son’s
and worked for them in the summer and on weekends. My other friends were =
the
kids whose parents had bought a spec house on =
</span></font><st1:Street><st1:address><span
class=3DSpellE><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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size=3D2
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> Lane</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street><font =
size=3D2
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>. It was the small community created by developing the =
“frontage”
and it was made up of folks with very diverse backgrounds and origins. =
The
houses were typical post WWII ranches that had a very bizarre =
architectural
relationship with the century farmhouse, barn and outbuildings. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Directly across =
the road
was the <span class=3DSpellE>Gahagan</span> estate. <span =
class=3DGramE>A large
brick house overgrown by once majestic landscaping giving the front =
porch a
dark and forbidding appearance.</span> That combined with the musty =
smells from
beyond the Victorian style screen door was enough to keep the most =
curious
adventurer from having any interest in going inside. The barn had been =
lost
many years (centuries? <span class=3DGramE>Millennia?)</span> <span =
class=3DGramE>before</span>
to fire, and by the </span></font><st1:PersonName><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>tim</span></font>=
</st1:PersonName><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>e we moved away the farmland had become a sod =
farm.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span =
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>  =
; </span>My
earliest construction memories are of the hydro dynamic. Great fun could =
be had
damming up the slow meandering flow of French Creek in the summer. We =
would
build communities along the edges of the flow and then flood them by =
damming
the creek. Little did I realize then that I would make friends in later =
life
with Crow Indians whose past relationship with our government had =
yielded the
same results with their long houses and sacred <span =
class=3DGramE>lands.</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span =
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; </span><span
class=3DGramE>Funny how it comes and =
goes.</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Follett
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:51 AM
>=20
>=20
> The models of social order that a child imposes on a=20
> collection of pebbles hand sifted from the dirt suddenly=20
> becomes a BP community.=20
I've been called a rock head before, but never so elegantly.
Thanks!
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Raleigh Historic from some flounder?"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dirt Piles, Straw Piles & Dams
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 10:27:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> My earliest construction memories are of the hydro dynamic. Great fun could
> be had damming up the slow meandering flow of French Creek in the summer.
> We would build communities along the edges of the flow and then flood them
> by damming the creek. Little did I realize then that I would make friends
> in later life with Crow Indians whose past relationship with our government
> had yielded the same results with their long houses and sacred lands.
I, too, engaged in hydrodynamic activities in my yout', in La Ballona ("the
whale, for our non-Spanish speaking friends) creek behind our house in LA.
What had been a natural creek with banks probably 25' high (which is to say
the creek bed was about 25' below grade on either side had had its banks
paved (but not it's bed) before I toddled on the scene. We made dams, built
walkable bridges, threw large numbers of rocks, etc. Then when I was
probably about 10, they decided to pave the creek bed and it was never so
much fun anymore. Sometime's we'd take fluorescent lamps (not the fixture,
just the lamp) and hurl them, Zeus-like downhill. THAT was fun; didn't have
no damn EPA telling you what little boys could throw in them days, no sir. L
ooks like the Los Angeles River now, which is to say a large concrete-lined
trench, with a little water down there somewhere. Sigh.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">My earliest construction memories are of the hydro dynamic.=
Great fun could be had damming up the slow meandering flow of French Creek=20=
in the summer. We would build communities along the edges of the flow and th=
en flood them by damming the creek. Little did I realize then that I would m=
ake friends in later life with Crow Indians whose past relationship with our=
government had yielded the same results with their long houses and sacred l=
ands.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
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I, too, engaged in hydrodynamic activities in my yout', in La Ballona ("the=20=
whale, for our non-Spanish speaking friends) creek behind our house in LA.&n=
bsp; What had been a natural creek with banks probably 25' high (which is to=
say the creek bed was about 25' below grade on either side had had its bank=
s paved (but not it's bed) before I toddled on the scene. We made dams=
, built walkable bridges, threw large numbers of rocks, etc. The=
n when I was probably about 10, they decided to pave the creek bed and it wa=
s never so much fun anymore. Sometime's we'd take fluorescent lamps (n=
ot the fixture, just the lamp) and hurl them, Zeus-like downhill. THAT was f=
un; didn't have no damn EPA telling you what little boys could throw in them=
days, no sir. Looks like the Los Angeles River now, which is to say a large=
concrete-lined trench, with a little water down there somewhere. Sigh=
.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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> Or rockets, we can do rockets in NYC in Brooklyn. ][<en
Can't go to Burning Man until the kids are grown and pay for their own
pacemaker batteries, but I did used to set off bottle rockets out of my 11th
floor window of my West End Avenue apartment (Preservation Content: designed
by Gaetan Ajello, 1914). In retrospect, that was unwise.
Sign me, Always Wanted to See What A Cherry Bomb REALLY Did When Flushed Down
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ts in NYC in Brooklyn. ][<en</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMI=
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<BR>
<BR>Can't go to Burning Man until the kids are grown and pay for their own p=
acemaker batteries, but I did used to set off bottle rockets out of my 11th=20=
floor window of my West End Avenue apartment (Preservation Content: designed=
by Gaetan Ajello, 1914). In retrospect, that was unwise.
<BR>
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Subject: Re: Burning Man, Redux...
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> but I did used to set off bottle rockets out of my 11th floor window
Didn't have the Super do it for you? I'm impressed.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
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In a message dated 2/6/03 9:16:20 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Ken,
>
> Oh. [Terse enough for ya, Sharpshooter?]
>
> Ralph
YES BUT IT WOULD BE MORE CONSIDERATE TO ELIMINATE WASTEFUL DOUBLE SPACING AND
PRESERVE BANDWIDTH SO ST. JOHN'S DOESN'T DUMP OUR ARCHIVE ANY FASTER.
Yrs, Would Make The Trains Run On Time If You'd Let Me
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<BR>
<BR>Oh. [Terse enough for ya, Sharpshooter?]
<BR>
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<BR>YES BUT IT WOULD BE MORE CONSIDERATE TO ELIMINATE WASTEFUL DOUBLE SPACIN=
G AND PRESERVE BANDWIDTH SO ST. JOHN'S DOESN'T DUMP OUR ARCHIVE ANY FASTER.=20=
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: I believe this is the high type of discourse BP should aim for...
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...cross posted from SAH-L:
From: "Thomas Beischer" <[log in to unmask]>
Eric-
If you look in Annette Cire and Haila Ochs's Die Zeitschrift als Manifest,
there is a fairly extensive list of journals in the back with brief
explanations.
One of yours is listed (p. 206), Contimporanul.=A0 It reads: Bukarest
1922-32.
Hg. Marcel Janco und Ion Vinea.
May I also suggest that your "pasmoll" might be "pasmo" listed on p. 207.
It is listed under Tschechoslowakei and reads:
Pasmo, Brunn 1924-26, Hg. Artus Cernik
Cheers,
Tom
Thomas G. Beischer
PhD Candidate in History, Theory
and Criticism of Art and Architecture at MIT
3348 Scott Street
San Francisco, CA 94123 USA
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<BR>
<BR>From: "Thomas Beischer" <[log in to unmask]>
<BR>
<BR>Eric-
<BR>
<BR>If you look in Annette Cire and Haila Ochs's Die Zeitschrift als Manifes=
t,
<BR>there is a fairly extensive list of journals in the back with brief
<BR>explanations.
<BR>
<BR>One of yours is listed (p. 206), Contimporanul.=A0 It reads: Bukarest
<BR>1922-32.
<BR>Hg. Marcel Janco und Ion Vinea.
<BR>
<BR>May I also suggest that your "pasmoll" might be "pasmo" listed on p. 207=
.
<BR>It is listed under Tschechoslowakei and reads:
<BR>
<BR>Pasmo, Brunn 1924-26, Hg. Artus Cernik
<BR>
<BR>Cheers,
<BR>
<BR>Tom
<BR>
<BR>Thomas G. Beischer
<BR>PhD Candidate in History, Theory
<BR>and Criticism of Art and Architecture at MIT
<BR>3348 Scott Street
<BR>San Francisco, CA 94123 USA
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Playing Games, was Burning Things
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 11:03:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> YES BUT IT WOULD BE MORE CONSIDERATE TO ELIMINATE WASTEFUL DOUBLE SPACING
> AND PRESERVE BANDWIDTH SO ST. JOHN'S DOESN'T DUMP OUR ARCHIVE ANY FASTER.
> Yrs, Would Make The Trains Run On Time If You'd Let Me
You don't have to scream.
ee cummings & archie
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TEFUL DOUBLE SPACING AND PRESERVE BANDWIDTH SO ST. JOHN'S DOESN'T DUMP OUR A=
RCHIVE ANY FASTER. Yrs, Would Make The T=
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dirt Piles
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My other favourite thing was building grass structures between the 2 =
tall maples that grew about 1' apart. Usually sticks were also involved =
in the base. Army men loved these for their camoflague effect.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ken Follett=20
To: [log in to unmask]
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Subject: Dirt Piles
The dirt pile was the best, especially with the lego parts and tonka =
trucks.
My entire life is structured around playing in a dirt pile. The models =
of social order that a child imposes on a collection of pebbles hand =
sifted from the dirt suddenly becomes a BP community. My first =
recognition of building fences was pushing sticks into the ground. My =
first constructions of buildings were mounds, with a stick for a =
chimney, later morphed into flat rocks with supporting walls of smaller =
stones. Yes, there were commercial additions, Tonka and Lego, but they =
always took a back role to the fabrications of the imagination that a =
plenitude of natural objects found in the woods provided. It was where =
we congregated and held our community of children free of the structure =
of school and free of adults. And then there were the wars. When we =
would get bored or tired of each other we would drop the biggest rocks =
on our communities to wipe them out. Sometimes we got carried away and =
threw rocks and dirt at each other. When the pile was wiped clean we =
would start over and rebuild a new world. I find the feel of dirt in my =
hair comforting. Let the pebbles speak.
][<en=20
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<DIV><FONT size=2>My other favourite thing was building grass structures between
the 2 tall maples that grew about 1' apart. Usually sticks were also
involved in the base. Army men loved these for their camoflague
effect.</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">The dirt pile was the best, especially with the lego parts
and tonka trucks.
<BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>My entire life is structured around playing
in a dirt pile. The models of social order that a child imposes on a
collection of pebbles hand sifted from the dirt suddenly becomes a BP
community. My first recognition of building fences was pushing sticks into the
ground. My first constructions of buildings were mounds, with a stick for a
chimney, later morphed into flat rocks with supporting walls of smaller
stones. Yes, there were commercial additions, Tonka and Lego, but they always
took a back role to the fabrications of the imagination that a plenitude of
natural objects found in the woods provided. It was where we congregated and
held our community of children free of the structure of school and free of
adults. And then there were the wars. When we would get bored or tired of each
other we would drop the biggest rocks on our communities to wipe them out.
Sometimes we got carried away and threw rocks and dirt at each other. When the
pile was wiped clean we would start over and rebuild a new world. I find the
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:55:54 -0500
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ralph Walter=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
In a message dated 2/6/2003 9:17:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Ralph -
Pam,=20
Ralph -
Pam,
Ralph -
Didn't see that one, and I've been a bit of a lurker the last few =
days. I suppose one could characterize it as tasteful and distasteful at =
the same time. Only if you get caught. I didn't mean that YOU were doing =
anything that could be characterized as tasteful and distasteful. I =
meant the idea of covering, by an interior decorator, of architectural =
surfaces (including a chandelier) with dead bugs. Better than wearing =
live ones, I suppose.They've actually been keeping me busy at work. So I =
guess today isn't one of "those" days, huh? The brain just hasn't kicked =
in yet. Tell me about it. So the brain finally kicked in, but now I'm =
bored. Maybe I should slow down. Something Xerox never understood how =
to do. You showed them, didn't you! Better to officially quit than wait =
around for the layoff date. Especially if you have another job lined =
up, but if Unemployment looms as one's source of income, one doesn't =
want to jeopardize one's immediate future. Been there. Done that. =
Standing in line begging for money can be lots-o-fun. DOH - did I type =
that outloud? In my capacity as a Laurel and Hardy fan, I think Dan =
Castellanetta deserves great credit for reviving that expression. That's =
another fine mess you've gotten us into, Ralph. Why don't you do =
something to help me? What sort of help do you need, Ralph, or shouldn't =
I ask that?
- Pam
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: cp termite stations?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/6/2003 9:17:03 AM Eastern Standard
Time, <A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
writes:<BR><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE
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<DIV>Ralph -</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR><B>Pam,</B>
<BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#008000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><B>Ralph -<BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#ff0080 size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Pam,</FONT></B></DIV>
<DIV><B><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#ff0080 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><EM><FONT color=#800080>Ralph
-</FONT></EM></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></B><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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<BLOCKQUOTE
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face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Didn't see that one,
and I've been a bit of a lurker the last few days. <B>I suppose one could
characterize it as tasteful and distasteful at the same time.</B>
</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#008000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><B>Only if you get caught.
</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#ff0000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">I didn't mean that YOU were doing
anything that could be characterized as tasteful and distasteful. I meant
the idea of covering, by an interior decorator, of architectural surfaces
(including a chandelier) with dead bugs.<EM><FONT color=#808000> Better
than wearing live ones, I suppose.</FONT></EM></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></B>They've actually been keeping me busy at work.
<B>So I guess today isn't one of "those" days, huh? </FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#008000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">The brain just hasn't kicked in yet.</FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></B> </FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#ff8040 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><B>Tell me about it. <EM><FONT color=#008080>So
the brain finally kicked in, but now I'm bored. Maybe I should slow
down.</FONT></EM> </FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></B> Something Xerox never understood how to do. <B>You
showed them, didn't you! </FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#008000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Better to officially quit than wait around for the
layoff date. </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></B> </FONT><FONT
lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#ff0080 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><B>Especially if you have another job lined up, but if
Unemployment looms as one's source of income, one doesn't want to
jeopardize one's immediate future. <EM><FONT color=#00ff00>Been
there. Done that. Standing in line begging for money can be
lots-o-fun. </FONT></EM></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></B>DOH - did I type that outloud? <B>In my
capacity as a Laurel and Hardy fan</B>, <B>I think Dan Castellanetta
deserves great credit for reviving that expression. </FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#008000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">That's another fine mess you've gotten us into,
Ralph. </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#ff0080 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> Why don't you do
something to help me? <EM><FONT color=#800000>What sort of help do you
need, Ralph, or shouldn't I ask that?</FONT></EM></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></B><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 12:56:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> >> >>> Ralph -
>>> Pam,
>>> Ralph -
>>> Pam,
>>> Ralph -
>>> Pam,
>
> >> >>> Didn't see that one, and I've been a bit of a lurker the last few
>>> days. I suppose one could characterize it as tasteful and distasteful at
>>> the same time. Only if you get caught. I didn't mean that YOU were doing
>>> anything that could be characterized as tasteful and distasteful. I meant
>>> the idea of covering, by an interior decorator, of architectural surfaces
>>> (including a chandelier) with dead bugs. . Better than wearing live ones,
>>> I suppose. I would say so, but that Silence of the Lambs guy might
>>> disagree. They've actually been keeping me busy at work. So I guess today
>>> isn't one of "those" days, huh? The brain just hasn't kicked in yet. Tell
>>> me about it. So the brain finally kicked in, but now I'm bored. Maybe I
>>> should slow down. You could help me drafting alterations to a bridal
>>> salon, and buying binoculars on Ebay. But then what would I do? Something
>>> Xerox never understood how to do. You showed them, didn't you! Better to
>>> officially quit than wait around for the layoff date. Especially if you
>>> have another job lined up, but if Unemployment looms as one's source of
>>> income, one doesn't want to jeopardize one's immediate future. Been
>>> there. Done that. Standing in line begging for money can be lots-o-fun.
>>> I, too have been there and did that. However, keep in mind that it's
>>> your (well, half, anyway) damn money in the first place, and the other
>>> half is your scumbag weasel ex-employers. That might make the attempt to
>>> collect it more enjoyable. DOH - did I type that outloud? In my capacity
>>> as a Laurel and Hardy fan, I think Dan Castellanetta deserves great
>>> credit for reviving that expression. That's another fine mess you've
>>> gotten us into, Ralph. Why don't you do something to help me? What sort
>>> of help do you need, Ralph, or shouldn't I ask that? For starters, you
>>> could try to help me remember another Oliver Hardyism with which to
>>> respond to "Why don't you do something to help me?" On second thought,
>>> and as you noted first, Fin said it best: "DOH!"
> >>
>>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/6/2003 12:56:36 PM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=
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lid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ralph -</FONT><=
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<B>Pam,</B> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>Ralph -<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff0080" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Pam,</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#=
000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FA=
CE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></B><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#800080" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
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COLOR=3D"#ff0080" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SAN=
SSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff0080" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Baskerville Old Face" LANG=3D"0"></B>=
<I> Pam,</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0=
00000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FAC=
E=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></I><BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=
=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PAD=
DING-LEFT: 5px">Didn't see that one, and I've been a bit of a lurker the las=
t few days. <B>I suppose one could characterize it as tasteful and distastef=
ul at the same time.</B> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008000" style=3D"BACKGROUND=
-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>=
Only if you get caught. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff0000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-=
COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I di=
dn't mean that YOU were doing anything that could be characterized as tastef=
ul and distasteful. I meant the idea of covering, by an interior decorator,=20=
of architectural surfaces (including a chandelier) with dead bugs.</FONT><FO=
NT COLOR=3D"#808000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff8040" st=
yle=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Baskervi=
lle Old Face" LANG=3D"0"></B><I>. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#808000" style=3D"B=
ACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"><B></I>Better than wearing live ones, I suppose. </FONT><FONT COLOR=
=3D"#ff8040" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" F=
ACE=3D"Baskerville Old Face" LANG=3D"0"><I>I would say so, but that Silence=20=
of the Lambs guy might disagree</B>. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=
=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial"=20=
LANG=3D"0"></I>They've actually been keeping me busy at work. <B>So I guess=20=
today isn't one of "those" days, huh? </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008000" style=
=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial"=20=
LANG=3D"0">The brain just hasn't kicked in yet.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#00000=
0" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff8040" style=3D"BACKGROU=
ND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><=
B>Tell me about it. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008080" style=3D"BACKGROUN=
D-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">So=
the brain finally kicked in, but now I'm bored. Maybe I should slow d=
own.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff8040" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> </FONT><FONT COLO=
R=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSER=
IF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff8040" style=3D"=
BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Baskerville Old=
Face" LANG=3D"0"><B><I>You could help me drafting alterations to a bridal s=
alon, and buying binoculars on Ebay. But then what would I do? </FONT><FONT=20=
COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SA=
NSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B></I>Something Xerox never understood=20=
how to do. <B>You showed them, didn't you! </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008000" s=
tyle=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ari=
al" LANG=3D"0">Better to officially quit than wait around for the layoff dat=
e. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=20=
SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B> </FONT><FONT C=
OLOR=3D"#ff0080" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANS=
SERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>Especially if you have another job lined=
up, but if Unemployment looms as one's source of income, one doesn't want t=
o jeopardize one's immediate future. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#00ff00" style=
=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial"=20=
LANG=3D"0">Been there. Done that. Standing in line begging for m=
oney can be lots-o-fun. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff8040" style=3D"BACKGROUND-=
COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Baskerville Old Face" LANG=
=3D"0"><I>I, too have been there and did that. However, keep in mind t=
hat it's your (well, half, anyway) damn money in the first place, and the ot=
her half is your scumbag weasel ex-employers. That might make the atte=
mpt to collect it more enjoyable. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"B=
ACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"></B></I>DOH - did I type that outloud? <B>In my capacity as a L=
aurel and Hardy fan</B>, <B>I think Dan Castellanetta deserves great credit=20=
for reviving that expression. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008000" style=3D"BACKG=
ROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0=
">That's another fine mess you've gotten us into, Ralph. </FONT><FONT =20=
COLOR=3D"#ff0080" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SAN=
SSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> Why don't you do something to help me? </=
FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 F=
AMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">What sort of help do you need,=
Ralph, or shouldn't I ask that? </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff8040" style=3D"BA=
CKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Baskerville Old F=
ace" LANG=3D"0"><I>For starters, you could try to help me remember another O=
liver Hardyism with which to respond to "Why don't you do something to help=20=
me?" On second thought, and as you noted first, Fin said it best=
: "DOH!" </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff80=
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skerville Old Face" LANG=3D"0"></B></I><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
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Sign me, Always Wanted to See What A Cherry Bomb REALLY Did When Flushed Down
a Commode
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I, too, engaged in hydrodynamic activities
A common thread... my early construction experience included some rather
dramatic getting hit in the head with rocks episodes. ][<en
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My earliest construction memories are of the hydro dynamic.
Rudy,
The dirt pile predates the dam era... the dam era was certainly a hydraulic
project and went on for several seasons, summer into winter. We had blue
clay, skeeters, crayfish, pollywogs, mayflies and algae to look after. A
great deal of canal building and excavation of springs. Spring storms would
usually wipe out all our work. The dam work was where I got started piling
stones atop other stones.
> ...whose past relationship with our government had yielded the same results
> with their long houses and sacred lands.
Yes, seems I have several indirect relatives, western NY Seneca, who were
displaced from their homes from like flooding.
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y, skeeters, crayfish, pollywogs, mayflies and algae to look after. A great=20=
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splaced from their homes from like flooding.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:52:41 -0500
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Sorry Ken, but the termites have better taste than that and wood knot get
involved with the likes of Martha Stewart. They like slightly moldy stuff
not haughty stuffy stuff.
The Termite .... by Oden Nash
An ancient termite knocked on wood
tasted it and found it good
and that is why your Cousin May
fell through the cellar floor today.
===============
Ken Follett wrote:
> Once a good shopping mall is found, these little 'shop till they drop'
> termites tell their shopping friends of the good bargains to be found.
> Soon everyone is shopping there.
OK Bryan... now please please please connect this lovely little fable in
with Martha Stewart and Ralph Loren! I'm looking forward to "World
According to Termite". ][<en
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<font color="#006600">Sorry Ken, but the termites have better taste than
that and wood knot get involved with the likes of Martha Stewart. They
like slightly moldy stuff not haughty stuffy stuff.</font>
<p><font color="#3333FF"><b>The Termite</b> .... by Oden Nash</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">An ancient termite knocked on wood</font>
<br><font color="#3333FF">tasted it and found it good</font>
<br><font color="#3333FF">and that is why your Cousin May</font>
<br><font color="#3333FF">fell through the cellar floor today.</font>
<p>===============
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<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font color="#3333FF"><font size=-1>Once
a good shopping mall is found, these little 'shop till they drop' termites
tell their shopping friends of the good bargains to be found. Soon everyone
is shopping there.</font></font></font></blockquote>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>OK Bryan... now
please please please connect this lovely little fable in with Martha Stewart
and Ralph Loren! I'm looking forward to "World According to Termite". ][<en</font></font></font></html>
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CORRECTION: not cellar floor PARLOR FLOOR
"J. Bryan Blundell" wrote:
> Sorry Ken, but the termites have better taste than that and wood knot get
> involved with the likes of Martha Stewart. They like slightly moldy stuff
> not haughty stuffy stuff.
>
> The Termite .... by Oden Nash
>
> An ancient termite knocked on wood
> tasted it and found it good
> and that is why your Cousin May
> fell through the cellar floor today.
>
> ===============
>
> Ken Follett wrote:
>
>> Once a good shopping mall is found, these little 'shop till they drop'
>> termites tell their shopping friends of the good bargains to be found.
>> Soon everyone is shopping there.
>
> OK Bryan... now please please please connect this lovely little fable in
> with Martha Stewart and Ralph Loren! I'm looking forward to "World
> According to Termite". ][<en
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<font color="#009900"><b>CORRECTION</b>:</font> <font color="#CC0000">not
cellar floor</font> <b><font color="#3333FF">PARLOR FLOOR</font></b>
<p>"J. Bryan Blundell" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font color="#006600">Sorry Ken, but the termites
have better taste than that and wood knot get involved with the likes of
Martha Stewart. They like slightly moldy stuff not haughty stuffy stuff.</font>
<p><font color="#3333FF"><b>The Termite</b> .... by Oden Nash</font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">An ancient termite knocked on wood</font>
<br><font color="#3333FF">tasted it and found it good</font>
<br><font color="#3333FF">and that is why your Cousin May</font>
<br><font color="#3333FF">fell through the cellar floor today.</font>
<p>===============
<p>Ken Follett wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font color="#3333FF"><font size=-1>Once
a good shopping mall is found, these little 'shop till they drop' termites
tell their shopping friends of the good bargains to be found. Soon everyone
is shopping there.</font></font></font></blockquote>
<font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>OK Bryan... now
please please please connect this lovely little fable in with Martha Stewart
and Ralph Loren! I'm looking forward to "World According to Termite". ][<en</font></font></font></blockquote>
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 12:00:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> CORRECTION: not cellar floor PARLOR FLOOR
correction Ogden Nash in writerly parlance, "nits", small insignificant
errors -- we don't want no nits in our finish, let alone termites.
Some primal termite knocked on wood
And tasted it, and found it good!
And that is why your Cousin May
Fell through the parlor floor today.
NOTE: Thomas Lipps left BP in high spirits, needing to focus on his upcomming
stone mason's event, and left off by letting Gabriel Orgrease know that his
name includes a sea ogre. Way cool! ][<en
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
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NT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAM=
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<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">correction O</FONT><FONT CO=
LOR=3D"#ffff80" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSS=
ERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">g</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BA=
CKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">den Nash</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f=
fffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> =20=
in writerly parlance, "nits", small insignificant errors -- we don't want no=
nits in our finish, let alone termites.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" styl=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Some primal termite knocked=20=
on wood <BR>
And tasted it, and found it good! <BR>
And that is why your Cousin May <BR>
Fell through the parlor floor today.<BR>
<BR>
NOTE: Thomas Lipps left BP in high spirits, needing to focus on his upcommin=
g stone mason's event, and left off by letting Gabriel Orgrease know that hi=
s name includes a </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008080" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
#ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">sea ogre</=
FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 F=
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:21:29 -0500
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As usual, I stand corrected.
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Ken Follett wrote:
> In a message dated 2/6/2003 12:00:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
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>
>> CORRECTION: not cellar floor PARLOR FLOOR
>
> correction Ogden Nash in writerly parlance, "nits", small insignificant
> errors -- we don't want no nits in our finish, let alone termites.
>
> Some primal termite knocked on wood
> And tasted it, and found it good!
> And that is why your Cousin May
> Fell through the parlor floor today.
>
> NOTE: Thomas Lipps left BP in high spirits, needing to focus on his
> upcomming stone mason's event, and left off by letting Gabriel Orgrease
> know that his name includes a sea ogre. Way cool! ][<en
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<font color="#000099">As usual, I stand corrected.</font><font color="#000099"></font>
<p><font color="#000099">Bryan</font>
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<p>Ken Follett wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>In a message dated
2/6/2003 12:00:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:</font></font>
<br>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font face="Arial"><font size=-1><font color="#009900"><b>CORRECTION</b>:</font><font color="#000000">
</font><font color="#CC0000">not cellar floor</font><font color="#000000">
</font><b><font color="#3333FF">PARLOR FLOOR</font></b></font></font></blockquote>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1><font color="#000000">correction O</font><font color="#FFFF80">g</font><font color="#000000">den
Nash in writerly parlance, "nits", small insignificant errors
-- we don't want no nits in our finish, let alone termites.</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Some primal termite
knocked on wood</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>And tasted it,
and found it good!</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>And that is
why your Cousin May</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Fell through
the parlor floor today.</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1><font color="#000000">NOTE: Thomas
Lipps left BP in high spirits, needing to focus on his upcomming stone
mason's event, and left off by letting Gabriel Orgrease know that his name
includes a </font><font color="#008080">sea ogre</font><font color="#000000">.
Way cool! ][<en</font></font></font></blockquote>
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As usual, I stand corrected.
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Actually, I'd like to see what happens when one falls through the basement floor. Has an Alice in Wonderland kind of ring to you, don't you think?
- Pam
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From: J. Bryan Blundell
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
CORRECTION: not cellar floor PARLOR FLOOR
"J. Bryan Blundell" wrote:
Sorry Ken, but the termites have better taste than that and wood knot get involved with the likes of Martha Stewart. They like slightly moldy stuff not haughty stuffy stuff.
The Termite .... by Oden Nash
An ancient termite knocked on wood
tasted it and found it good
and that is why your Cousin May
fell through the cellar floor today.
===============
Ken Follett wrote:
Once a good shopping mall is found, these little 'shop till they drop' termites tell their shopping friends of the good bargains to be found. Soon everyone is shopping there.
OK Bryan... now please please please connect this lovely little fable in with Martha Stewart and Ralph Loren! I'm looking forward to "World According to Termite". ][<en
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Actually, I'd like to see what happens when one falls through
the basement floor. Has an Alice in Wonderland kind of ring to you, don't
you think?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">J. Bryan Blundell</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:01
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: cp termite stations?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT color=#009900><B>CORRECTION</B>:</FONT> <FONT
color=#cc0000>not cellar floor</FONT> <B><FONT color=#3333ff>PARLOR
FLOOR</FONT></B>
<P>"J. Bryan Blundell" wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"><FONT color=#006600>Sorry Ken, but the termites have
better taste than that and wood knot get involved with the likes of Martha
Stewart. They like slightly moldy stuff not haughty stuffy stuff.</FONT>
<P><FONT color=#3333ff><B>The Termite</B> .... by Oden Nash</FONT>
<P><FONT color=#3333ff>An ancient termite knocked on wood</FONT> <BR><FONT
color=#3333ff>tasted it and found it good</FONT> <BR><FONT color=#3333ff>and
that is why your Cousin May</FONT> <BR><FONT color=#3333ff>fell through the
cellar floor today.</FONT>
<P>===============
<P>Ken Follett wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#3333ff><FONT
size=-1>Once a good shopping mall is found, these little 'shop till they
drop' termites tell their shopping friends of the good bargains to be
found. Soon everyone is shopping
there.</FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#000000><FONT size=-1>OK Bryan... now please please please connect
this lovely little fable in with Martha Stewart and Ralph Loren! I'm looking
forward to "World According to Termite".
][<en</FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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As usual, I stand corrected.
We all stand corrected... a self-correcting team we is.
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:41:09 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 12:30:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> As usual, I stand corrected.
>
> Bryan
> =========
>
> Byproduct of all that spam offering bigger corrections probably.
>
On second thought... since Rudy seems to have the universal answer here...
forget about the self-correcting parts. ][<en
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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p; Byproduct of all that spam offering b=
igger corrections probably.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROU=
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you're one sick puppy ... you are implying that Ken without spamming can
give someone a big correction.
=================
Ken Follett wrote:
> In a message dated 2/6/2003 12:30:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
>> As usual, I stand corrected.
>>
>> Bryan
>> =========
>>
>> Byproduct of all that spam offering bigger corrections
>> probably.
>
>
>
>
> On second thought... since Rudy seems to have the universal answer
> here... forget about the self-correcting parts. ][<en
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<br><font color="#009900">you're one sick puppy ... you are implying that
Ken without spamming can give someone a big correction.</font>
<p>=================
<p>Ken Follett wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>In a message dated
2/6/2003 12:30:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:</font></font>
<br>
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usual, I stand corrected.</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Times New Roman"><font color="#000099"><font size=+0>Bryan</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000099"><font size=+0>=========</font></font></font>
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Byproduct of all that spam offering bigger corrections probably.</font></font></font></blockquote>
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you're one sick puppy ... you are implying that Ken without spamming can give
someone a big correction.
Hey... guys... you keep this up and one of you is going to have to go stand
in the hall and play with the fire alarm... ALONE! ][<en
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you're one sick puppy ... you are implying that Ken without spamming can
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Hey... guys... you keep this up and one of you is going to have to go
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face=3DArial><span =
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one sick puppy ... you are implying that Ken without spamming can give =
someone
a big correction.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span =
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you're one sick puppy ... you are implying that Ken without spamming can
give someone a big correction.
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How do you think he got his nick name?
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> Gabriel Orgrease know that his name includes a sea ogre.
Il barge sea, roger.
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dear ralph,
the hicap gas units will produce hot water continusly. no recovery =
time.
do you want one? eeh dont know. but concider--said rheem can only
produce somuch hot water. consumers complain but when shower goes
cold water is turned off. everybody, more or less,gets along. =
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with great empathy, i remain, olgoat
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>worth? </FONT></DIV>
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:37:37 -0800
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Ruth Barton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: From Brooklyn Standard Union, June 7, 1907...
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Ralph, Just goes to show how little you know about Vermont farmers. Dad
either got the bucket of tar at an auction or at the grain store on sale
for little or nothing. He had, still has, all kinds of stuff that, "might
come in handy sometime." He did all his own repairs, building as well as
mechanical. Probably wouldn't meet preservation standards but preserved
us, our home and Dad's meager income.
I didn't say they "let" me play with it. I was not supervised closely on a
farm with much acreage. I remember putting a ball of tar in the pocket of
my pants and couldn't get it out so I cut the pocket off and no questions
were ever asked as no one knew the pocket was missing.
I had a great childhood. Ruth
At 8:31 AM -0500 2/6/03, Ralph Walter wrote:
Ruth,
I wouldn't expect you to have your own, unless Da was a roofing contractor.
Does seem rather strange to me that they'd let you play with the stuff
(even the just-warm-in summer stuff, as opposed to the boiling stuff from a
kettle) from a can. Pretty sticky and messy and hard to clean off for
anybody, much less a little girl.
No doubt you had better things to occupy yourselves with than toys. My
mother (the South GA farm girl who moved to Los Angeles and married the
Hebe) once said that when her mother came from GA to visit us in CA, that
Granny was horrified (well, less than approving, ) that we had so MANY
toys. Could explain a lot of things about Mrs. Ralph Seniorette.
Ralph
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:47:45 -0800
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You don't want to know, trust me!!!!!!! I know a fella who ended his high
school career with that great rumble of H20 and flying pieces of porcelein.
He was unceremoniously escorted out the door by the ear. Ruth
At 10:58 AM -0500 2/6/03, Met History wrote:
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Sign me, Always Wanted to See What A Cherry Bomb REALLY Did When Flushed
Down a Commode
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Subject: Re: Tankless hot water heaters
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In a message dated 2/6/2003 6:37:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> dear ralph,
> Esteemed olgoat
> the hicap gas units will produce hot water continusly. no recovery time.
> do you want one? eeh dont know. but concider--said rheem can only
> produce somuch hot water. consumers not to mention wives and children
> complain but when shower goes cold water is turned off. Sounds good if you
> like truly HOT showers, one assumes less good for merely warm. everybody,
> more or less, gets along. This is desirable goal. unlimited hot water
> gives bill payer great pain this is undesirable result. and public service
> gas great joy 2x undesirable result, as Chinese peoples say. anywhy de
> aint cheap! what is? how much is fractional reduction in complaining worth?
> doubt complaint reduction, taken in toto [too] would amount to
> "fractional." Most certainly not measurable. The Heck (as we now have to
> say, with Pinhead Decency Police breathing down our unwashed necks) with
> it. Will call Mr. Rheem, request delivery of new model. Your advice much
> appreciated.
Pleasure to meet you. Will give you month's free membership in
> Pinheads, accordingly; your first payment not due til March 6. Enjoy. And
> save up.
>
> with great empathy, i remain, olgoat
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/6/2003 6:37:53 PM Eastern Standar=
d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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<B>Esteemed olgoat</B> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">the hicap gas units will pro=
duce hot water continusly. no recovery time.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#00=
0000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">do you want one? e=
eh dont know. but concider--said rheem can only</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"=
#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" F=
ACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
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. consumers <B>not to mention wives and children </B>complain bu=
t when shower goes cold water is turned off. <B>Sounds good if you like trul=
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less, gets along. <B>This is desirable goal. </B> unlimited </FON=
T><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMI=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ar=
ial" LANG=3D"0">hot water gives bill payer great pain <B>this is undesirable=
result. </B>and public service gas great joy <B>2x undesirable result, as C=
hinese peoples say</B>. anywhy de aint cheap! <B>what is?</B> how much=
is fractional reduction in complaining worth? <B>doubt complain=
t reduction, taken in toto [too] would amount to "fractional." Most ce=
rtainly not measurable. The Heck (as we now have to say, with Pinhead=20=
Decency Police breathing down our unwashed necks) with it. Will call M=
r. Rheem, request delivery of new model. Your advice much appreciated.=
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ff=
ffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <B> Pleasure to=20=
meet you. Will give you month's free membership in </FONT><FONT COLOR=
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rch 6. Enjoy. And save up.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=
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> Ralph, Just goes to show how little you know about Vermont farmers. Ruth,
> you could put all I know about Vermont farmers in the navel of a flea and
> have room left over for several mustard seeds and 3 units of termite frass.
> Dad
> either got the bucket of tar at an auction or at the grain store on sale
> for little or nothing. I have not a bad word to say about frugality.
> Perhaps you missed the story about how the piano in my parlor, not to
> mention the furniture in my wife's office, and much of our mountains of
> computer and stereo equipment, came from The Summit Mall. He had, still
> has, all kinds of stuff that, "might come in handy sometime." Tell me about
> it. My basement is filled with projects that will keep me busy in my
> retirement. If I live. He did all his own repairs, building as well as
> mechanical. Good for him, and good for his offspring. They have a father
> who knew, and was able to show them, how to do useful things. No doubt
> your mother was the same. Probably wouldn't meet preservation standards but
> preserved us, our home and Dad's meager income. Don't tell anybody, but
> there are some things I do that don't meet Histo Presto standards, and even
> worse, and more often than I would prefer, don't meet Ralph standards,
> either.
>
> I didn't say they "let" me play with it. Ahhhh. An inquisitive child not
> afraid to take matters into her own hands. An unequalled asset in one's
> mental makeup. was not supervised closely on a farm with much acreage. I
> remember putting a ball of tar in the pocket of my pants NOT smart, but I
guess you found that out for yourself and couldn't get it out so I cut the
pocket off Also a child able to creatively (and destructively, in this case)
solve unforeseen problems; another excellent attribute and no questions > were
> ever asked as no one knew the pocket was missing. But you never fixed the
> pocket?
>
> I had a great childhood. Ruth Me, too, despite an excessively cautious
> nature. Like when I told my grandfather that it was not possible to eat
> cornflakes with water on them instead of milk. Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ralph, Just goes to show=20=
how little you know about Vermont farmers. <B>Ruth, you could put all I know=
about Vermont farmers in the navel of a flea and have room left over for se=
veral mustard seeds and 3 units of termite frass.</B> Dad<BR>
either got the bucket of tar at an auction or at the grain store on sale<BR>
for little or nothing. <B>I have not a bad word to say about frugality. =
; Perhaps you missed the story about how the piano in my parlor, not to ment=
ion the furniture in my wife's office, and much of our mountains of computer=
and stereo equipment, came from The Summit Mall.</B> He had, still has, all=
kinds of stuff that, "might come in handy sometime." <B>Tell me about it.&n=
bsp; My basement is filled with projects that will keep me busy in my retire=
ment. If I live.</B> He did all his own repairs, building as well as m=
echanical. <B>Good for him, and good for his offspring. They have a fa=
ther who knew, and was able to show them, how to do useful things.&nbs=
p; No doubt your mother was the same.</B> Probably wouldn't meet preservatio=
n standards but preserved us, our home and Dad's meager income. <B>Don=
't tell anybody, but there are some things I do that don't meet Histo Presto=
standards, and even worse, and more often than I would prefer, don't meet R=
alph standards, either.</B><BR>
<BR>
I didn't say they "let" me play with it. <B>Ahhhh. An inquisitive chil=
d not afraid to take matters into her own hands. An unequalled asset i=
n one's mental makeup.</B> was not supervised closely on a farm with m=
uch acreage. I remember putting a ball of tar in the pocket of </BLOCK=
QUOTE>my pants <B>NOT smart, but I guess you found that out for yourself </B=
>and couldn't get it out so I cut the pocket off <B>Also a child able to cre=
atively (and destructively, in this case) solve unforeseen problems; another=
excellent attribute </B>and no questions <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"B=
ORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-=
LEFT: 5px">were ever asked as no one knew the pocket was missing. <B>B=
ut you never fixed the pocket?</B><BR>
<BR>
I had a great childhood. Ruth <B>Me, too, despite an excessively=
cautious nature. Like when I told my grandfather that it was not poss=
ible to eat cornflakes with water on them instead of milk. Ralph</B><B=
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Transcribed from Brooklyn Standard Union, June 9, 1907, cross posted from
Brooklyn-L
UNCLE SAM'S PRISONERS IN CASTLE WILLIAMS
Tuesday's Jail Delivery Attracts Attention to Historic Old Fortress
on Governor's Island -- Every-Day Life of the Military Prisoners
Confined There
Attention is once more attracted to Castle Williams, the military
prison on Governor's Island, as a result of the successful break for
liberty made last Tuesday by three prisoners.
The escape was one of the most daring in the history of the old
fortress, which for over a century has overlooked the waters of New
York Harbor. Of late years there have been an unusual number of
escapes from the old prison, which have been planned and carried out
in the face of tremendous odds. In several cases it was necessary
for jail breakers to swim across the channel to the Brooklyn shore,
a feat which has been accomplished on several occasions, the last
time in midwinter, with the water freezing cold. The majority of
escapes, however, have been effected as in the case last week, with
the aid of confederates outside, who supplied saws, etc., as well as
a boat to take the fugitives across the channel.
Castle Williams itself is an imposing structure, built in the style
of the old Spanish architecture. It is circular in shape, with a
large garden in the center, above which is flanked two rows of
cells.
The garden is covered with closely cut grass and decorated with
pyramids of cannon balls. Everything about the place shines with the
appearance of militant care and were it not for the sordid life
within, with its compulsory obedience and its counted hours, the
lines (as printed) of a military prisoner at Castle Williams would
be far from a punishment.
The ground floor of the castle is used entirely for offices of the
prison sergeant, the dining room, the carpenter shop, laundry, bake
shop and kitchen.
The dining room has been enlarged to accommodate the growing
capacity of the newcomers and now has been extended to include three
rooms connected by huge archways.
Castle Williams has a physiognomy of its own and its boarders, while
not enjoying table luxuries, have many of the comforts of big hotels
to cater to human needs.
The cells throughout are heated by steam and lighted by electricity.
The baths are in excellent condition, and the prison fare, which is
always wholesome, is made a special feature at holiday festivities.
The menu for each meal is posted on the dining room wall and the
following is a sample of the every day fare.
Castle Williams, Monday, May 19, 1907:
Menu: Breakfast -- Fried bacon, fried potatoes, bread and coffee.
Dinner -- roast young pork, brown gravy, mashed potatoes, mashed
turnips, rice pudding, with milk and eggs. Supper -- Baked pork and
beans, pickles, bread and coffee.
The dining room is not large enough to accommodate the present
number of boarders at one time, and so the prisoners eat in first
and second calls to mess. The kitchen is a continuation of these
rooms and the bake shop opens off the kitchen.
When a prisoner enters Castle Williams, he is asked what trade or
occupation he pursued prior to entering the army and he is then put
to work in a position in which he can do the most good with his time
to serve. The overseer, Sergeant Lorenzo BELL, lives in the prison
and his office work is creditably transacted, bookkeeping and
clerical work being done with the accuracy and despatch that obtain
in large legal concerns anywhere, and all this efficiency is the
work of the prisoners. There are carpenters who are at present
turning out furniture which is used only by officers at the military
post; there are shoemakers who are skilled in their trade; tailors
who are put to work on the prison clothing; and each one at his
trade as in some big industrial school.
For the most part, the men are set to work about the grounds of the
reservation and some of the boys are at work in the officers' homes,
for which they are paid not only in money but in clothes when their
terms of imprisonment expires. The boys are always anxious to be
attached to duty in an officer's house; their food is better and,
take it all in all, they have more privileges than they would enjoy
while at work outside. There are 235 at the prison at the present
time and the great common cause of their desertion is drink.
Whenever the prisoners show rebellion to the order of discipline
they are put to work on the rock pile and a few of the obstreperous
ones are confined to the solitary cells or dungeons on the top
terrace, which are reached by a winding stair, in the tower.
The general cells are all built large enough to furnish twelve beds
and are perfect in ventilation and sanitation. Each cell opens upon
the inner garden, in true Spanish fashion.
Each prisoner is furnished with a roughly made cupboard for books
and clothes and the little keepsakes from home, and are all well
decorated with photographs. Castle Williams is now the proud
possessor of a military prison band that practices regularly every
evening and frequently gives concerts on the grounds.
On Sunday the prisoners in a body attend the services at the
Episcopal Church at 3 P.M., and enter into the song services with
keen enjoyment. They are not compelled to attend church but do so
voluntarily, and the close communion which exists between Chaplain
SMITH and the prisoners has helped to make many a hard place smooth.
There are stories of hardships, severe discipline and suffering that
only a sympathetic servant of God can relieve, and thus many of
these soldiers who have served with military distinction are
reconciled to the life made melancholy by what might have been. Many
of them are under the ban of military crimes that would be called
misdemeanors in common law, and sometimes the army is more merciful
than civil justice. One man must serve two years for killing a
Chinaman, and he was glad that he was tried by the army; another
went to sleep at his post and for two years he will regret that
civil law could not try him. When the prisoner has served his time,
allowing a deduction for good behavior, he is given a new suit of
clothes and $5 when he leaves Castle Williams.
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<BR>
UNCLE SAM'S PRISONERS IN CASTLE WILLIAMS<BR>
<BR>
Tuesday's Jail Delivery Attracts Attention to Historic Old Fortress<BR>
on Governor's Island -- Every-Day Life of the Military Prisoners<BR>
Confined There<BR>
<BR>
Attention is once more attracted to Castle Williams, the military<BR>
prison on Governor's Island, as a result of the successful break for<BR>
liberty made last Tuesday by three prisoners.<BR>
<BR>
The escape was one of the most daring in the history of the old<BR>
fortress, which for over a century has overlooked the waters of New<BR>
York Harbor. Of late years there have been an unusual number of<BR>
escapes from the old prison, which have been planned and carried out<BR>
in the face of tremendous odds. In several cases it was necessary<BR>
for jail breakers to swim across the channel to the Brooklyn shore,<BR>
a feat which has been accomplished on several occasions, the last<BR>
time in midwinter, with the water freezing cold. The majority of<BR>
escapes, however, have been effected as in the case last week, with<BR>
the aid of confederates outside, who supplied saws, etc., as well as<BR>
a boat to take the fugitives across the channel.<BR>
<BR>
Castle Williams itself is an imposing structure, built in the style<BR>
of the old Spanish architecture. It is circular in shape, with a<BR>
large garden in the center, above which is flanked two rows of<BR>
cells.<BR>
<BR>
The garden is covered with closely cut grass and decorated with<BR>
pyramids of cannon balls. Everything about the place shines with the<BR>
appearance of militant care and were it not for the sordid life<BR>
within, with its compulsory obedience and its counted hours, the<BR>
lines (as printed) of a military prisoner at Castle Williams would<BR>
be far from a punishment.<BR>
<BR>
The ground floor of the castle is used entirely for offices of the<BR>
prison sergeant, the dining room, the carpenter shop, laundry, bake<BR>
shop and kitchen.<BR>
<BR>
The dining room has been enlarged to accommodate the growing<BR>
capacity of the newcomers and now has been extended to include three<BR>
rooms connected by huge archways.<BR>
<BR>
Castle Williams has a physiognomy of its own and its boarders, while<BR>
not enjoying table luxuries, have many of the comforts of big hotels<BR>
to cater to human needs.<BR>
<BR>
The cells throughout are heated by steam and lighted by electricity.<BR>
The baths are in excellent condition, and the prison fare, which is<BR>
always wholesome, is made a special feature at holiday festivities.<BR>
The menu for each meal is posted on the dining room wall and the<BR>
following is a sample of the every day fare.<BR>
<BR>
Castle Williams, Monday, May 19, 1907:<BR>
<BR>
Menu: Breakfast -- Fried bacon, fried potatoes, bread and coffee.<BR>
Dinner -- roast young pork, brown gravy, mashed potatoes, mashed<BR>
turnips, rice pudding, with milk and eggs. Supper -- Baked pork and<BR>
beans, pickles, bread and coffee.<BR>
<BR>
The dining room is not large enough to accommodate the present<BR>
number of boarders at one time, and so the prisoners eat in first<BR>
and second calls to mess. The kitchen is a continuation of these<BR>
rooms and the bake shop opens off the kitchen.<BR>
<BR>
When a prisoner enters Castle Williams, he is asked what trade or<BR>
occupation he pursued prior to entering the army and he is then put<BR>
to work in a position in which he can do the most good with his time<BR>
to serve. The overseer, Sergeant Lorenzo BELL, lives in the prison<BR>
and his office work is creditably transacted, bookkeeping and<BR>
clerical work being done with the accuracy and despatch that obtain<BR>
in large legal concerns anywhere, and all this efficiency is the<BR>
work of the prisoners. There are carpenters who are at present<BR>
turning out furniture which is used only by officers at the military<BR>
post; there are shoemakers who are skilled in their trade; tailors<BR>
who are put to work on the prison clothing; and each one at his<BR>
trade as in some big industrial school.<BR>
<BR>
For the most part, the men are set to work about the grounds of the<BR>
reservation and some of the boys are at work in the officers' homes,<BR>
for which they are paid not only in money but in clothes when their<BR>
terms of imprisonment expires. The boys are always anxious to be<BR>
attached to duty in an officer's house; their food is better and,<BR>
take it all in all, they have more privileges than they would enjoy<BR>
while at work outside. There are 235 at the prison at the present<BR>
time and the great common cause of their desertion is drink.<BR>
Whenever the prisoners show rebellion to the order of discipline<BR>
they are put to work on the rock pile and a few of the obstreperous<BR>
ones are confined to the solitary cells or dungeons on the top<BR>
terrace, which are reached by a winding stair, in the tower.<BR>
<BR>
The general cells are all built large enough to furnish twelve beds<BR>
and are perfect in ventilation and sanitation. Each cell opens upon<BR>
the inner garden, in true Spanish fashion.<BR>
<BR>
Each prisoner is furnished with a roughly made cupboard for books<BR>
and clothes and the little keepsakes from home, and are all well<BR>
decorated with photographs. Castle Williams is now the proud<BR>
possessor of a military prison band that practices regularly every<BR>
evening and frequently gives concerts on the grounds.<BR>
<BR>
On Sunday the prisoners in a body attend the services at the<BR>
Episcopal Church at 3 P.M., and enter into the song services with<BR>
keen enjoyment. They are not compelled to attend church but do so<BR>
voluntarily, and the close communion which exists between Chaplain<BR>
SMITH and the prisoners has helped to make many a hard place smooth.<BR>
There are stories of hardships, severe discipline and suffering that<BR>
only a sympathetic servant of God can relieve, and thus many of<BR>
these soldiers who have served with military distinction are<BR>
reconciled to the life made melancholy by what might have been. Many<BR>
of them are under the ban of military crimes that would be called<BR>
misdemeanors in common law, and sometimes the army is more merciful<BR>
than civil justice. One man must serve two years for killing a<BR>
Chinaman, and he was glad that he was tried by the army; another<BR>
went to sleep at his post and for two years he will regret that<BR>
civil law could not try him. When the prisoner has served his time,<BR>
allowing a deduction for good behavior, he is given a new suit of<BR>
clothes and $5 when he leaves Castle Williams.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Hey, sign me up. What sorts of "criminals" and "obstreperous" fellows
got to go?
Best,
Leland
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Transcribed from Brooklyn Standard Union, June 9, 1907, cross posted
from Brooklyn-L
UNCLE SAM'S PRISONERS IN CASTLE WILLIAMS
Tuesday's Jail Delivery Attracts Attention to Historic Old Fortress
on Governor's Island -- Every-Day Life of the Military Prisoners
Confined There
Attention is once more attracted to Castle Williams, the military
prison on Governor's Island, as a result of the successful break for
liberty made last Tuesday by three prisoners.
The escape was one of the most daring in the history of the old
fortress, which for over a century has overlooked the waters of New
York Harbor. Of late years there have been an unusual number of
escapes from the old prison, which have been planned and carried out
in the face of tremendous odds. In several cases it was necessary
for jail breakers to swim across the channel to the Brooklyn shore,
a feat which has been accomplished on several occasions, the last
time in midwinter, with the water freezing cold. The majority of
escapes, however, have been effected as in the case last week, with
the aid of confederates outside, who supplied saws, etc., as well as
a boat to take the fugitives across the channel.
Castle Williams itself is an imposing structure, built in the style
of the old Spanish architecture. It is circular in shape, with a
large garden in the center, above which is flanked two rows of
cells.
The garden is covered with closely cut grass and decorated with
pyramids of cannon balls. Everything about the place shines with the
appearance of militant care and were it not for the sordid life
within, with its compulsory obedience and its counted hours, the
lines (as printed) of a military prisoner at Castle Williams would
be far from a punishment.
The ground floor of the castle is used entirely for offices of the
prison sergeant, the dining room, the carpenter shop, laundry, bake
shop and kitchen.
The dining room has been enlarged to accommodate the growing
capacity of the newcomers and now has been extended to include three
rooms connected by huge archways.
Castle Williams has a physiognomy of its own and its boarders, while
not enjoying table luxuries, have many of the comforts of big hotels
to cater to human needs.
The cells throughout are heated by steam and lighted by electricity.
The baths are in excellent condition, and the prison fare, which is
always wholesome, is made a special feature at holiday festivities.
The menu for each meal is posted on the dining room wall and the
following is a sample of the every day fare.
Castle Williams, Monday, May 19, 1907:
Menu: Breakfast -- Fried bacon, fried potatoes, bread and coffee.
Dinner -- roast young pork, brown gravy, mashed potatoes, mashed
turnips, rice pudding, with milk and eggs. Supper -- Baked pork and
beans, pickles, bread and coffee.
The dining room is not large enough to accommodate the present
number of boarders at one time, and so the prisoners eat in first
and second calls to mess. The kitchen is a continuation of these
rooms and the bake shop opens off the kitchen.
When a prisoner enters Castle Williams, he is asked what trade or
occupation he pursued prior to entering the army and he is then put
to work in a position in which he can do the most good with his time
to serve. The overseer, Sergeant Lorenzo BELL, lives in the prison
and his office work is creditably transacted, bookkeeping and
clerical work being done with the accuracy and despatch that obtain
in large legal concerns anywhere, and all this efficiency is the
work of the prisoners. There are carpenters who are at present
turning out furniture which is used only by officers at the military
post; there are shoemakers who are skilled in their trade; tailors
who are put to work on the prison clothing; and each one at his
trade as in some big industrial school.
For the most part, the men are set to work about the grounds of the
reservation and some of the boys are at work in the officers' homes,
for which they are paid not only in money but in clothes when their
terms of imprisonment expires. The boys are always anxious to be
attached to duty in an officer's house; their food is better and,
take it all in all, they have more privileges than they would enjoy
while at work outside. There are 235 at the prison at the present
time and the great common cause of their desertion is drink.
Whenever the prisoners show rebellion to the order of discipline
they are put to work on the rock pile and a few of the obstreperous
ones are confined to the solitary cells or dungeons on the top
terrace, which are reached by a winding stair, in the tower.
The general cells are all built large enough to furnish twelve beds
and are perfect in ventilation and sanitation. Each cell opens upon
the inner garden, in true Spanish fashion.
Each prisoner is furnished with a roughly made cupboard for books
and clothes and the little keepsakes from home, and are all well
decorated with photographs. Castle Williams is now the proud
possessor of a military prison band that practices regularly every
evening and frequently gives concerts on the grounds.
On Sunday the prisoners in a body attend the services at the
Episcopal Church at 3 P.M., and enter into the song services with
keen enjoyment. They are not compelled to attend church but do so
voluntarily, and the close communion which exists between Chaplain
SMITH and the prisoners has helped to make many a hard place smooth.
There are stories of hardships, severe discipline and suffering that
only a sympathetic servant of God can relieve, and thus many of
these soldiers who have served with military distinction are
reconciled to the life made melancholy by what might have been. Many
of them are under the ban of military crimes that would be called
misdemeanors in common law, and sometimes the army is more merciful
than civil justice. One man must serve two years for killing a
Chinaman, and he was glad that he was tried by the army; another
went to sleep at his post and for two years he will regret that
civil law could not try him. When the prisoner has served his time,
allowing a deduction for good behavior, he is given a new suit of
clothes and $5 when he leaves Castle Williams.
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<DIV><SPAN class=577484911-07022003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Hey, sign me
up. What sorts of "criminals" and "obstreperous" fellows<BR>got to
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speak foul in folly!" - ]<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Met
History<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 07, 2003 6:04 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> "a new suit of
clothes and $5" -- Castle Williams on Governors Island,
1907<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Transcribed from Brooklyn Standard Union, June 9,
1907, cross posted from Brooklyn-L<BR><BR><BR>UNCLE SAM'S PRISONERS IN CASTLE
WILLIAMS<BR><BR>Tuesday's Jail Delivery Attracts Attention to Historic Old
Fortress<BR>on Governor's Island -- Every-Day Life of the Military
Prisoners<BR>Confined There<BR><BR>Attention is once more attracted to Castle
Williams, the military<BR>prison on Governor's Island, as a result of the
successful break for<BR>liberty made last Tuesday by three
prisoners.<BR><BR>The escape was one of the most daring in the history of the
old<BR>fortress, which for over a century has overlooked the waters of
New<BR>York Harbor. Of late years there have been an unusual number
of<BR>escapes from the old prison, which have been planned and carried
out<BR>in the face of tremendous odds. In several cases it was
necessary<BR>for jail breakers to swim across the channel to the Brooklyn
shore,<BR>a feat which has been accomplished on several occasions, the
last<BR>time in midwinter, with the water freezing cold. The majority
of<BR>escapes, however, have been effected as in the case last week,
with<BR>the aid of confederates outside, who supplied saws, etc., as well
as<BR>a boat to take the fugitives across the channel.<BR><BR>Castle Williams
itself is an imposing structure, built in the style<BR>of the old Spanish
architecture. It is circular in shape, with a<BR>large garden in the center,
above which is flanked two rows of<BR>cells.<BR><BR>The garden is covered with
closely cut grass and decorated with<BR>pyramids of cannon balls. Everything
about the place shines with the<BR>appearance of militant care and were it not
for the sordid life<BR>within, with its compulsory obedience and its counted
hours, the<BR>lines (as printed) of a military prisoner at Castle Williams
would<BR>be far from a punishment.<BR><BR>The ground floor of the castle is
used entirely for offices of the<BR>prison sergeant, the dining room, the
carpenter shop, laundry, bake<BR>shop and kitchen.<BR><BR>The dining room has
been enlarged to accommodate the growing<BR>capacity of the newcomers and now
has been extended to include three<BR>rooms connected by huge
archways.<BR><BR>Castle Williams has a physiognomy of its own and its
boarders, while<BR>not enjoying table luxuries, have many of the comforts of
big hotels<BR>to cater to human needs.<BR><BR>The cells throughout are heated
by steam and lighted by electricity.<BR>The baths are in excellent condition,
and the prison fare, which is<BR>always wholesome, is made a special feature
at holiday festivities.<BR>The menu for each meal is posted on the dining room
wall and the<BR>following is a sample of the every day fare.<BR><BR>Castle
Williams, Monday, May 19, 1907:<BR><BR>Menu: Breakfast -- Fried bacon, fried
potatoes, bread and coffee.<BR>Dinner -- roast young pork, brown gravy, mashed
potatoes, mashed<BR>turnips, rice pudding, with milk and eggs. Supper -- Baked
pork and<BR>beans, pickles, bread and coffee.<BR><BR>The dining room is not
large enough to accommodate the present<BR>number of boarders at one time, and
so the prisoners eat in first<BR>and second calls to mess. The kitchen is a
continuation of these<BR>rooms and the bake shop opens off the
kitchen.<BR><BR>When a prisoner enters Castle Williams, he is asked what trade
or<BR>occupation he pursued prior to entering the army and he is then
put<BR>to work in a position in which he can do the most good with his
time<BR>to serve. The overseer, Sergeant Lorenzo BELL, lives in the
prison<BR>and his office work is creditably transacted, bookkeeping
and<BR>clerical work being done with the accuracy and despatch that
obtain<BR>in large legal concerns anywhere, and all this efficiency is
the<BR>work of the prisoners. There are carpenters who are at
present<BR>turning out furniture which is used only by officers at the
military<BR>post; there are shoemakers who are skilled in their trade;
tailors<BR>who are put to work on the prison clothing; and each one at
his<BR>trade as in some big industrial school.<BR><BR>For the most part, the
men are set to work about the grounds of the<BR>reservation and some of the
boys are at work in the officers' homes,<BR>for which they are paid not only
in money but in clothes when their<BR>terms of imprisonment expires. The boys
are always anxious to be<BR>attached to duty in an officer's house; their food
is better and,<BR>take it all in all, they have more privileges than they
would enjoy<BR>while at work outside. There are 235 at the prison at the
present<BR>time and the great common cause of their desertion is
drink.<BR>Whenever the prisoners show rebellion to the order of
discipline<BR>they are put to work on the rock pile and a few of the
obstreperous<BR>ones are confined to the solitary cells or dungeons on the
top<BR>terrace, which are reached by a winding stair, in the tower.<BR><BR>The
general cells are all built large enough to furnish twelve beds<BR>and are
perfect in ventilation and sanitation. Each cell opens upon<BR>the inner
garden, in true Spanish fashion.<BR><BR>Each prisoner is furnished with a
roughly made cupboard for books<BR>and clothes and the little keepsakes from
home, and are all well<BR>decorated with photographs. Castle Williams is now
the proud<BR>possessor of a military prison band that practices regularly
every<BR>evening and frequently gives concerts on the grounds.<BR><BR>On
Sunday the prisoners in a body attend the services at the<BR>Episcopal Church
at 3 P.M., and enter into the song services with<BR>keen enjoyment. They are
not compelled to attend church but do so<BR>voluntarily, and the close
communion which exists between Chaplain<BR>SMITH and the prisoners has helped
to make many a hard place smooth.<BR>There are stories of hardships, severe
discipline and suffering that<BR>only a sympathetic servant of God can
relieve, and thus many of<BR>these soldiers who have served with military
distinction are<BR>reconciled to the life made melancholy by what might have
been. Many<BR>of them are under the ban of military crimes that would be
called<BR>misdemeanors in common law, and sometimes the army is more
merciful<BR>than civil justice. One man must serve two years for killing
a<BR>Chinaman, and he was glad that he was tried by the army; another<BR>went
to sleep at his post and for two years he will regret that<BR>civil law could
not try him. When the prisoner has served his time,<BR>allowing a deduction
for good behavior, he is given a new suit of<BR>clothes and $5 when he leaves
Castle Williams.<BR><BR><BR>Transcribed for the Brooklyn info pages by S.
Anderson<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Subject: Re: "a new suit of clothes and $5" -- Castle Williams on
Governors Island, 1...
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In a message dated 2/7/2003 6:52:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Hey, sign me up. What sorts of "criminals" and "obstreperous" fellows
> got to go?
>
Leland,
Of the two guys noted as "in" for 2 years, one "killed a Chinaman," and the
other slept on guard duty. How's that for uniform sentencing?
Seemed to me that the diet was a little heavy on pork, and I bet it wasn't
"the new white meat" variety we have today, either.
Ralph
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d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">Hey, sign me up. What sorts of "criminals" and "obstr=
eperous" fellows<BR>
got to go?</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Leland,<BR>
<BR>
Of the two guys noted as "in" for 2 years, one "killed a Chinaman," and the=20=
other slept on guard duty. How's that for uniform sentencing?<BR>
<BR>
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the new white meat" variety we have today, either.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:17:23 -0800
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Subject: Re: Dirt Piles, Straw Piles & Dams
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We built dams in the brook so we could have a place to swim. We didn't
have no "cement pond" to swim in, if we wanted to swim we had to find a
good place in the brook to dam up and swim there. There is still on place
in Putney where they swim at a dammed up brook. You should see those
millionaires sons at the school where I work, they love to go there to
swim. I no longer care for it as it's too cold. Ruth
At 1:32 PM -0500 2/6/03, Ken Follett wrote:
My earliest construction memories are of the hydro dynamic.
Rudy,
The dirt pile predates the dam era... the dam era was certainly a hydraulic
project and went on for several seasons, summer into winter. We had blue
clay, skeeters, crayfish, pollywogs, mayflies and algae to look after. A
great deal of canal building and excavation of springs. Spring storms would
usually wipe out all our work. The dam work was where I got started piling
stones atop other stones.
...whose past relationship with our government had yielded the same results
with their long houses and sacred lands.
Yes, seems I have several indirect relatives, western NY Seneca, who were
displaced from their homes from like flooding.
][<en
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:12:49 -0800
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Ralph, They paved the creek bed?????? Why? Isn't that illegal??? Did
the fish like it that way?? Ruth
At 10:44 AM -0500 2/6/03, Ralph Walter wrote:
In a message dated 2/6/2003 10:27:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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My earliest construction memories are of the hydro dynamic. Great fun could
be had damming up the slow meandering flow of French Creek in the summer.
We would build communities along the edges of the flow and then flood them
by damming the creek. Little did I realize then that I would make friends
in later life with Crow Indians whose past relationship with our government
had yielded the same results with their long houses and sacred lands.
I, too, engaged in hydrodynamic activities in my yout', in La Ballona ("the
whale, for our non-Spanish speaking friends) creek behind our house in LA.
What had been a natural creek with banks probably 25' high (which is to say
the creek bed was about 25' below grade on either side had had its banks
paved (but not it's bed) before I toddled on the scene. We made dams,
built walkable bridges, threw large numbers of rocks, etc. Then when I
was probably about 10, they decided to pave the creek bed and it was never
so much fun anymore. Sometime's we'd take fluorescent lamps (not the
fixture, just the lamp) and hurl them, Zeus-like downhill. THAT was fun;
didn't have no damn EPA telling you what little boys could throw in them
days, no sir. Looks like the Los Angeles River now, which is to say a large
concrete-lined trench, with a little water down there somewhere. Sigh.
Ralph
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:20:41 -0800
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If you all start using that high falutin' sort of talk on here this ol'
country gal is outta here. I like the good old garden variety English we
all speak--even that with a New Jersey accent. Ruth
At 11:04 AM -0500 2/6/03, Met History wrote:
...cross posted from SAH-L:
From: "Thomas Beischer" <[log in to unmask]>
Eric-
If you look in Annette Cire and Haila Ochs's Die Zeitschrift als Manifest,
there is a fairly extensive list of journals in the back with brief
explanations.
One of yours is listed (p. 206), Contimporanul. It reads: Bukarest
1922-32.
Hg. Marcel Janco und Ion Vinea.
May I also suggest that your "pasmoll" might be "pasmo" listed on p. 207.
It is listed under Tschechoslowakei and reads:
Pasmo, Brunn 1924-26, Hg. Artus Cernik
Cheers,
Tom
Thomas G. Beischer
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and Criticism of Art and Architecture at MIT
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Subject: Re: Dirt Piles, Straw Piles & Dams, and Prince Charles in the Tube
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In a message dated 2/7/2003 10:46:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Ralph, They paved the creek bed?????? Why? Isn't that illegal??? Did
> the fish like it that way?? Ruth
Well, see, it started out as a creek bed, but was used for a flood control
channel. Weren't no fish to speak of that I ever saw in there, although as I
remember there may once or twice have been what mah granny would have called
"minners," and I definitely remember pollywogs (not them other kinda wogs
like Pyrate hangs around with) and millions of frogs one summer (maybe 1958).
Weren't no PETM or PETP then, much less an EPA, and nobody'd even dreamed up
the notion of an EIS. Plus, Prince Charles didn't come to visit and ask the
little buggers if they liked the proposed paving, or tell them he aspired to
become a feminine hygiene product.
Simpler days, indeed.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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ek bed?????? Why? Isn't that illegal??? Did<BR>
the fish like it that way?? Ruth</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Well, see, it started out as a creek bed, but was used for a flood control c=
hannel. Weren't no fish to speak of that I ever saw in there, although=
as I remember there may once or twice have been what mah granny would have=20=
called "minners," and I definitely remember pollywogs (not them other kinda=20=
wogs like Pyrate hangs around with) and millions of frogs one summer (maybe=20=
1958).<BR>
<BR>
Weren't no PETM or PETP then, much less an EPA, and nobody'd even dreamed up=
the notion of an EIS. Plus, Prince Charles didn't come to visit and a=
sk the little buggers if they liked the proposed paving, or tell them he asp=
ired to become a feminine hygiene product.<BR>
<BR>
Simpler days, indeed.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Needed ... a good wine/liquor store in Detroit.
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In a message dated 2/7/2003 11:32:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Any ideas? Thoughtfully single-spaced by, Christopher
NightTrainExpress,Boone'sFarm,Manischewitzprobablyavailablemostlocations;
ChateauThamesEmbankmentmaybehardertofind;beyond that,adviseBYOB.
Whaddaya,tryingtoavoidNYCsalestaxesagain?Ralph
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Aviation Week & Space Technology
>
USAF Imagery Confirms Columbia Wing Damaged By Craig Covault
>
High-resolution images taken from a ground-based Air Force tracking camera
in the southwestern U.S. show serious structural damage to the inboard
leading edge of Columbia's left wing, as the crippled orbiter flew overhead
about 60 sec. before the vehicle broke up over Texas killing the seven
astronauts on board Feb. 1.
According to sources close to the investigation, the images, under analysis
at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, show a jagged edge on the left
inboard wing structure near where the wing begins to intersect the fuselage.
They also show the orbiter's right aft yaw thrusters firing, trying to
correct the vehicle's attitude that was being adversely affected by the left
wing damage. Columbia's fuselage and right wing appear normal. Unlike the
damaged and jagged left wing section, the right wing appears smooth along its
entire length. The imagery is consistent with telemetry.
The ragged edge on the left leading edge, indicates that either a small
structural breach--such as a crack--occurred, allowing the 2,500F reentry
heating to erode additional structure there, or that a small portion of the
leading edge fell off at that location.
Either way, the damage affected the vehicle's flying qualities as well as
allowed hot gases to flow into critical wing structure--a fatal combination.
It is possible, but yet not confirmed, that the impact of foam debris from
the shuttle's external tank during launch could have played a role in damage
to the wing leading edge, where the deformity appears in USAF imagery.
If that is confirmed by the independent investigation team, it would mean
that, contrary to initial shuttle program analysis, the tank debris event at
launch played a key role in the root cause of the accident.
Another key factor is that the leading edge of the shuttle wing, where the
jagged shape was photographed, transitions from black thermal protection
tiles to a much different mechanical system made of reinforced carbon-carbon
material that is bolted on, rather than glued on as the tiles are.
This means that in addition to the possible failure of black tile at the
point where the wing joins the fuselage, a failure involving the attachment
mechanisms for the leading edge sections could also be a factor, either
related or not to the debris impact. The actual front structure of a shuttle
wing is flat. To provide aerodynamic shape and heat protection, each wing is
fitted with 22 U-shaped reinforced carbon-carbon (RCC) leading-edge
structures. The carbon material in the leading edge, as well as the orbiter
nose cap, is designed to protect the shuttle from temperatures above 2,300F
during reentry. Any breach of this leading-edge material would have
catastrophic consequences.
The U-shaped RCC sections are attached to the wing "with a series of floating
joints to reduce loading on the panels due to wing deflections," according to
Boeing data on the attachment mechanism.
"The [critical heat protection] seal between each wing leading-edge panel is
referred to as a 'tee' seal," according to Boeing, and is also made of a
carbon material.
The tee seals allow lateral motion and thermal expansion differences between
the carbon sections and sections of the orbiter wing that remain much cooler
during reentry.
In addition to debris impact issues, investigators will likely examine
whether any structural bending between the cooler wing structure and the
more-than-2,000F leading edge sections could have played a role in the
accident. There is insulation packed between the cooler wing structure and
the bowl-shaped cavity formed by the carbon leading-edge sections.
The RCC leading-edge structures are bolted to the wing using Inconel fittings
that attach to aluminum flanges on the front of the wing.
The initial NASA Mission Management Team (MMT) assessment of the debris
impact--made on Jan. 18, two days after launch--noted "The strike appears to
have occurred on or relatively close to the "wing glove" near the orbiter
fuselage.
The term "wing glove" generally refers to the area where the RCC bolt-on
material is closest to the fuselage. This is also the general area where USAF
imagery shows structural damage.
The second MMT summary analyzing the debris hit was made on Jan. 20 and had
no mention of the leading-edge wing glove area. That report was more focused
on orbiter black tiles on the vehicle's belly. The third and final summary
issued on Jan. 27 discusses the black tiles again, but also specifically says
"Damage to the RCC [wing leading edge] should be limited to [its] coating
only and have no mission impact." Investigators in Houston are trying to
match the location of the debris impact with the jagged edge shown in the Air
Force imagery.
Columbia reentry accident investigators are also trying to determine if, as
in the case of Challenger's accident 17 years ago, an undesirable materials
characteristic noted on previous flights--in this case the STS-112 separation
of external tank insulation foam debris--was misjudged by engineers as to its
potential for harm, possibly by using analytical tools and information
inadequate to truly identify and quantify the threat to the shuttle. As of
late last week, NASA strongly asserted this was not the case, but intense
analysis on that possibility continues.
The shuttle is now grounded indefinitely and the impact on major crew
resupply and assembly flights to the International Space Station remains
under intense review.
Killed in the accident were STS-107 mission commander USAF Col. Rick Husband;
copilot Navy Cdr. William McCool; flight engineer Kalpana Chawla; payload
commander USAF Lt. Col. Michael Anderson; mission specialist physician
astronauts Navy Capt. Laurel Clark and Navy Capt. David Brown; and Israel Air
Force Col. Ilan Ramon.
"We continue to recover crew remains and we are handling that process with
the utmost care, the utmost respect and dignity," said Ronald Dittemore,
shuttle program manager.
No matter what the investigations show, there are no apparent credible crew
survival options for the failure Columbia experienced. With the ISS out of
reach in a far different orbit, there were no credible rescue options even if
wing damage had been apparent before reentry--which it was not.
If, in the midst of its 16-day flight, wing damage had been found to be dire,
the only potential--but still unlikely--option would have been the
formulation over several days by Mission Control of a profile that could
have, perhaps, reduced heating on the damaged wing at the expense of the
other wing for an unguided reentry, with scant hope the vehicle would remain
controllable to about 40,000 ft., allowing for crew bailout over an ocean.
Reentry is a starkly unforgiving environment where three out of the four
fatal manned space flight accidents during the last 35 years have occurred.
These include the Soyuz 1 reentry accident that killed cosmonaut Vladimir
Komarov in 1967 and the 1971 Soyuz 11 reentry accident that killed three
cosmonauts returning after the first long-duration stay on the Salyut 1 space
station.
The only fatal launch accident has been Challenger in 1986, although Apollo
astronauts Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee were killed when fire
developed in their spacecraft during a launch pad test not involving launch.
No other accident in aviation history has been seen by so many eyewitnesses
than the loss of Columbia--visible in five states.
Telemetry and photographic analysis indicate the breakup of the historic
orbiter took place as she slowed from Mach 20-to-18 across California,
Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico with the loss of structural integrity 205,000
ft. over north-central Texas where most of the debris fell.
The science-driven STS-107 crew was completing 16 days of complex work in
their Spacehab Research Double module and were 16 min. from landing at
Kennedy when lost. Landing was scheduled for 8:16 a.m. CST.
Abnormal telemetry events in the reentry began at 7:52 a.m. CST as the
vehicle was crossing the coast north of San Francisco at 43 mi. alt., about
Mach 20.
The orbiter at this time was in a 43-deg. right bank completing its initial
bank maneuver to the south for initial energy dissipation and ranging toward
the Kennedy runway still nearly 3,000 mi. away.
That initial bank had been as steep as about 80 deg. between Hawaii and the
California coast, a normal flight path angle for the early part of the
reentry. The abnormal events seen on orbiter telemetry in Houston indicate a
slow penetration of reentry heat into the orbiter and damage on the wing,
overpowering the flight control system. Key events were:
* 7:52 a.m. CST: Three left main landing gear brakeline temperatures show an
unusual rise. "This was the first occurrence of a significant thermal event
in the left wheel well," Dittemore said. Engineers do not believe the left
wheel well was breached, but rather that hot gases were somehow finding a
flow path within the wing to reach the wheel well.
* 7:53 a.m. CST: A fourth left brakeline strut temperature measurement rose
significantly--about 30-40 deg. in 5 min.
* 7:54 a.m. CST: With the orbiter over eastern California and western Nevada,
the mid-fuselage mold line where the left wing meets the fuselage showed an
unusual temperature rise. The 60F rise over 5 min. was not dramatic, but
showed that something was heating the wing fuselage interface area at this
time. Wing leading edge and belly temperatures were over 2,000F. While the
outside fuselage wall was heating, the inside wall remained cool as normal.
* 7:55 a.m. CST: A fifth left main gear temperature sensor showed an unusual
rise.
* 7:57 a.m. CST: As Columbia was passing over Arizona and New Mexico, the
orbiter's upper and lower left wing temperature sensors failed, probably
indicating their lines had been cut. The orbiter was also rolling back to the
left into about a 75-deg. left bank angle, again to dissipate energy and for
navigation and guidance toward Runway 33 at Kennedy, then about 1,800 mi.
away.
* 7:58 a.m. CST: Still over New Mexico, the elevons began to move to adjust
orbiter roll axis trim, indicating an increase in drag on the left side of
the vehicle. That could be indicative of "rough tile or missing tile but we
are not sure," Dittemore said. At the same time, the elevons were reacting to
increased drag on the left side of the vehicle, the left main landing gear
tire pressures and wheel temperature measurements failed. This was indicative
of a loss of the sensor, not the explosion or failure of the left main gear
tires, Dittemore believes. The sensors were lost in a staggered fashion.
* 7:59 a.m. CST: Additional elevon motion is commanded by the flight control
system to counteract left side drag. The drag was trying to roll the vehicle
to the left, while the flight control system was commanding the elevons to
roll it back to the right.
But the rate of left roll was beginning to overpower the elevons, so the
control system fired two 870-lb.-thrust right yaw thrusters to help maintain
the proper flight path angle. The firing lasted 1.5 sec. and, along with the
tire pressure data and elevon data, would have been noted by the pilots.
At about this time, the pilots made a short transmission that was clipped and
essentially unintelligible.
In Mission Control, astronaut Marine Lt. Col. Charles Hobaugh, the spacecraft
communicator on reentry flight director Leroy Cain's team, radioed "Columbia,
we see your tire pressure [telemetry] messages and we did not copy your last
transmission."
One of the pilots then radioed "Roger," but appeared to be cut off in
mid-transmission by static. For a moment there were additional static and
sounds similar to an open microphone on Columbia but no transmissions from
the crew.
All data from the orbiter then stopped and the position plot display in
Mission Control froze over Texas, although an additional 30 sec. of poor data
may have been captured.
Controllers in Mission Control thought they were experiencing an unusual but
non-critical data drop-out. But they had also taken notice of the unusual
buildup of sensor telemetry in the preceding few minutes.
About 3 min. after all data flow stopped, Hobaugh in Mission Control began
transmitting in the blind to Columbia on the UHF backup radio system.
"Columbia, Houston, UHF comm. check" he repeated every 15-30 sec., but to no
avail. In central Texas, thousands of people at that moment were observing
the orbiter break up at Mach 18.3 and 207,000 ft.
Milt Heflin, chief of the flight director's office, said he looked at the
frozen data plots. "I and others stared at that for a long time because the
tracking ended over Texas. It just stopped. It was then that I reflected back
on what I saw [in Mission Control] with Challenger."
The loss of Challenger occurred 17 years and four days before the loss of
Columbia.
"Our landscape has changed," Heflin said. "The space flight business today is
going to be much different than yesterday.
"It was different after the Apollo fire, it was different after Challenger."
Columbia, the first winged reusable manned spacecraft first launched in April
1981, was lost on her 28th mission on the 113th shuttle flight.
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Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Aviation Week & Space Technology =20
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<BR>USAF Imagery Confirms Columbia Wing Damaged <I>By Craig Covault </I>=
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<BR> High-resolution images taken from a ground-based Air Force tracking cam=
era in the southwestern U.S. show serious structural damage to the inboard l=
eading edge of Columbia's left wing, as the crippled orbiter flew overhead a=
bout 60 sec. before the vehicle broke up over Texas killing the seven astron=
auts on board Feb. 1.=20
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>According to sources close to the investigation, the images, under analy=
sis at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, show a jagged edge on the left i=
nboard wing structure near where the wing begins to intersect the fuselage.=20=
They also show the orbiter's right aft yaw thrusters firing, trying to corre=
ct the vehicle's attitude that was being adversely affected by the left wing=
damage. Columbia's fuselage and right wing appear normal. Unlike the damage=
d and jagged left wing section, the right wing appears smooth along its enti=
re length. The imagery is consistent with telemetry.=20
<BR>
<BR>The ragged edge on the left leading edge, indicates that either a small=20=
structural breach--such as a crack--occurred, allowing the 2,500F reentry he=
ating to erode additional structure there, or that a small portion of the le=
ading edge fell off at that location.=20
<BR>
<BR>Either way, the damage affected the vehicle's flying qualities as well a=
s allowed hot gases to flow into critical wing structure--a fatal combinatio=
n.=20
<BR>
<BR>It is possible, but yet not confirmed, that the impact of foam debris fr=
om the shuttle's external tank during launch could have played a role in dam=
age to the wing leading edge, where the deformity appears in USAF imagery.=20
<BR>
<BR>If that is confirmed by the independent investigation team, it would mea=
n that, contrary to initial shuttle program analysis, the tank debris event=20=
at launch played a key role in the root cause of the accident.=20
<BR>
<BR>Another key factor is that the leading edge of the shuttle wing, where t=
he jagged shape was photographed, transitions from black thermal protection=20=
tiles to a much different mechanical system made of reinforced carbon-carbon=
material that is bolted on, rather than glued on as the tiles are.=20
<BR>
<BR>This means that in addition to the possible failure of black tile at the=
point where the wing joins the fuselage, a failure involving the attachment=
mechanisms for the leading edge sections could also be a factor, either rel=
ated or not to the debris impact. The actual front structure of a shuttle wi=
ng is flat. To provide aerodynamic shape and heat protection, each wing is f=
itted with 22 U-shaped reinforced carbon-carbon (RCC) leading-edge structure=
s. The carbon material in the leading edge, as well as the orbiter nose cap,=
is designed to protect the shuttle from temperatures above 2,300F during re=
entry. Any breach of this leading-edge material would have catastrophic cons=
equences.=20
<BR>
<BR>The U-shaped RCC sections are attached to the wing "with a series of flo=
ating joints to reduce loading on the panels due to wing deflections," accor=
ding to Boeing data on the attachment mechanism.=20
<BR>
<BR>"The [critical heat protection] seal between each wing leading-edge pane=
l is referred to as a 'tee' seal," according to Boeing, and is also made of=20=
a carbon material.=20
<BR>
<BR>The tee seals allow lateral motion and thermal expansion differences bet=
ween the carbon sections and sections of the orbiter wing that remain much c=
ooler during reentry.=20
<BR>
<BR>In addition to debris impact issues, investigators will likely examine w=
hether any structural bending between the cooler wing structure and the more=
-than-2,000F leading edge sections could have played a role in the accident.=
There is insulation packed between the cooler wing structure and the bowl-s=
haped cavity formed by the carbon leading-edge sections.=20
<BR>
<BR>The RCC leading-edge structures are bolted to the wing using Inconel fit=
tings that attach to aluminum flanges on the front of the wing.=20
<BR>
<BR>The initial NASA Mission Management Team (MMT) assessment of the debris=20=
impact--made on Jan. 18, two days after launch--noted "The strike appears to=
have occurred on or relatively close to the "wing glove" near the orbiter f=
uselage.=20
<BR>
<BR>The term "wing glove" generally refers to the area where the RCC bolt-on=
material is closest to the fuselage. This is also the general area where US=
AF imagery shows structural damage.=20
<BR>
<BR>The second MMT summary analyzing the debris hit was made on Jan. 20 and=20=
had no mention of the leading-edge wing glove area. That report was more foc=
used on orbiter black tiles on the vehicle's belly. The third and final summ=
ary issued on Jan. 27 discusses the black tiles again, but also specifically=
says "Damage to the RCC [wing leading edge] should be limited to [its] coat=
ing only and have no mission impact." Investigators in Houston are trying to=
match the location of the debris impact with the jagged edge shown in the A=
ir Force imagery.=20
<BR>
<BR>Columbia reentry accident investigators are also trying to determine if,=
as in the case of Challenger's accident 17 years ago, an undesirable materi=
als characteristic noted on previous flights--in this case the STS-112 separ=
ation of external tank insulation foam debris--was misjudged by engineers as=
to its potential for harm, possibly by using analytical tools and informati=
on inadequate to truly identify and quantify the threat to the shuttle. As o=
f late last week, NASA strongly asserted this was not the case, but intense=20=
analysis on that possibility continues.=20
<BR>
<BR>The shuttle is now grounded indefinitely and the impact on major crew re=
supply and assembly flights to the International Space Station remains under=
intense review.=20
<BR>
<BR>Killed in the accident were STS-107 mission commander USAF Col. Rick Hus=
band; copilot Navy Cdr. William McCool; flight engineer Kalpana Chawla; payl=
oad commander USAF Lt. Col. Michael Anderson; mission specialist physician a=
stronauts Navy Capt. Laurel Clark and Navy Capt. David Brown; and Israel Air=
Force Col. Ilan Ramon.=20
<BR>
<BR>"We continue to recover crew remains and we are handling that process wi=
th the utmost care, the utmost respect and dignity," said Ronald Dittemore,=20=
shuttle program manager.=20
<BR>
<BR>No matter what the investigations show, there are no apparent credible c=
rew survival options for the failure Columbia experienced. With the ISS out=20=
of reach in a far different orbit, there were no credible rescue options eve=
n if wing damage had been apparent before reentry--which it was not.=20
<BR>
<BR>If, in the midst of its 16-day flight, wing damage had been found to be=20=
dire, the only potential--but still unlikely--option would have been the for=
mulation over several days by Mission Control of a profile that could have,=20=
perhaps, reduced heating on the damaged wing at the expense of the other win=
g for an unguided reentry, with scant hope the vehicle would remain controll=
able to about 40,000 ft., allowing for crew bailout over an ocean.=20
<BR>
<BR>Reentry is a starkly unforgiving environment where three out of the four=
fatal manned space flight accidents during the last 35 years have occurred.=
=20
<BR>
<BR>These include the Soyuz 1 reentry accident that killed cosmonaut Vladimi=
r Komarov in 1967 and the 1971 Soyuz 11 reentry accident that killed three c=
osmonauts returning after the first long-duration stay on the Salyut 1 space=
station.=20
<BR>
<BR>The only fatal launch accident has been Challenger in 1986, although Apo=
llo astronauts Gus Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee were killed when fire=
developed in their spacecraft during a launch pad test not involving launch=
.=20
<BR>
<BR>No other accident in aviation history has been seen by so many eyewitnes=
ses than the loss of Columbia--visible in five states.=20
<BR>
<BR>Telemetry and photographic analysis indicate the breakup of the historic=
orbiter took place as she slowed from Mach 20-to-18 across California, Neva=
da, Arizona and New Mexico with the loss of structural integrity 205,000 ft.=
over north-central Texas where most of the debris fell.=20
<BR>
<BR>The science-driven STS-107 crew was completing 16 days of complex work i=
n their Spacehab Research Double module and were 16 min. from landing at Ken=
nedy when lost. Landing was scheduled for 8:16 a.m. CST.=20
<BR>
<BR>Abnormal telemetry events in the reentry began at 7:52 a.m. CST as the v=
ehicle was crossing the coast north of San Francisco at 43 mi. alt., about M=
ach 20.=20
<BR>
<BR>The orbiter at this time was in a 43-deg. right bank completing its init=
ial bank maneuver to the south for initial energy dissipation and ranging to=
ward the Kennedy runway still nearly 3,000 mi. away.=20
<BR>
<BR>That initial bank had been as steep as about 80 deg. between Hawaii and=20=
the California coast, a normal flight path angle for the early part of the r=
eentry. The abnormal events seen on orbiter telemetry in Houston indicate a=20=
slow penetration of reentry heat into the orbiter and damage on the wing, ov=
erpowering the flight control system. Key events were:=20
<BR>
<BR>* 7:52 a.m. CST: Three left main landing gear brakeline temperatures sho=
w an unusual rise. "This was the first occurrence of a significant thermal e=
vent in the left wheel well," Dittemore said. Engineers do not believe the l=
eft wheel well was breached, but rather that hot gases were somehow finding=20=
a flow path within the wing to reach the wheel well.=20
<BR>
<BR>* 7:53 a.m. CST: A fourth left brakeline strut temperature measurement r=
ose significantly--about 30-40 deg. in 5 min.=20
<BR>
<BR>* 7:54 a.m. CST: With the orbiter over eastern California and western Ne=
vada, the mid-fuselage mold line where the left wing meets the fuselage show=
ed an unusual temperature rise. The 60F rise over 5 min. was not dramatic, b=
ut showed that something was heating the wing fuselage interface area at thi=
s time. Wing leading edge and belly temperatures were over 2,000F. While the=
outside fuselage wall was heating, the inside wall remained cool as normal.=
=20
<BR>
<BR>* 7:55 a.m. CST: A fifth left main gear temperature sensor showed an unu=
sual rise.=20
<BR>
<BR>* 7:57 a.m. CST: As Columbia was passing over Arizona and New Mexico, th=
e orbiter's upper and lower left wing temperature sensors failed, probably i=
ndicating their lines had been cut. The orbiter was also rolling back to the=
left into about a 75-deg. left bank angle, again to dissipate energy and fo=
r navigation and guidance toward Runway 33 at Kennedy, then about 1,800 mi.=20=
away.=20
<BR>
<BR>* 7:58 a.m. CST: Still over New Mexico, the elevons began to move to adj=
ust orbiter roll axis trim, indicating an increase in drag on the left side=20=
of the vehicle. That could be indicative of "rough tile or missing tile but=20=
we are not sure," Dittemore said. At the same time, the elevons were reactin=
g to increased drag on the left side of the vehicle, the left main landing g=
ear tire pressures and wheel temperature measurements failed. This was indic=
ative of a loss of the sensor, not the explosion or failure of the left main=
gear tires, Dittemore believes. The sensors were lost in a staggered fashio=
n.=20
<BR>
<BR>* 7:59 a.m. CST: Additional elevon motion is commanded by the flight con=
trol system to counteract left side drag. The drag was trying to roll the ve=
hicle to the left, while the flight control system was commanding the elevon=
s to roll it back to the right.=20
<BR>
<BR>But the rate of left roll was beginning to overpower the elevons, so the=
control system fired two 870-lb.-thrust right yaw thrusters to help maintai=
n the proper flight path angle. The firing lasted 1.5 sec. and, along with t=
he tire pressure data and elevon data, would have been noted by the pilots.=20
<BR>
<BR>At about this time, the pilots made a short transmission that was clippe=
d and essentially unintelligible.=20
<BR>
<BR>In Mission Control, astronaut Marine Lt. Col. Charles Hobaugh, the space=
craft communicator on reentry flight director Leroy Cain's team, radioed "Co=
lumbia, we see your tire pressure [telemetry] messages and we did not copy y=
our last transmission."=20
<BR>
<BR>One of the pilots then radioed "Roger," but appeared to be cut off in mi=
d-transmission by static. For a moment there were additional static and soun=
ds similar to an open microphone on Columbia but no transmissions from the c=
rew.=20
<BR>
<BR>All data from the orbiter then stopped and the position plot display in=20=
Mission Control froze over Texas, although an additional 30 sec. of poor dat=
a may have been captured.=20
<BR>
<BR>Controllers in Mission Control thought they were experiencing an unusual=
but non-critical data drop-out. But they had also taken notice of the unusu=
al buildup of sensor telemetry in the preceding few minutes.=20
<BR>
<BR>About 3 min. after all data flow stopped, Hobaugh in Mission Control beg=
an transmitting in the blind to Columbia on the UHF backup radio system. "Co=
lumbia, Houston, UHF comm. check" he repeated every 15-30 sec., but to no av=
ail. In central Texas, thousands of people at that moment were observing the=
orbiter break up at Mach 18.3 and 207,000 ft.=20
<BR>
<BR>Milt Heflin, chief of the flight director's office, said he looked at th=
e frozen data plots. "I and others stared at that for a long time because th=
e tracking ended over Texas. It just stopped. It was then that I reflected b=
ack on what I saw [in Mission Control] with Challenger."=20
<BR>
<BR>The loss of Challenger occurred 17 years and four days before the loss o=
f Columbia.=20
<BR>
<BR>"Our landscape has changed," Heflin said. "The space flight business tod=
ay is going to be much different than yesterday.=20
<BR>
<BR>"It was different after the Apollo fire, it was different after Challeng=
er."=20
<BR>
<BR>Columbia, the first winged reusable manned spacecraft first launched in=20=
April 1981, was lost on her 28th mission on the 113th shuttle flight.=20
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Subject: Now that you mention it,
real limestone isn't what it used to be...
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...either. The limestone on the Harvard Club expansion on West 44th, on the
new Manhattan School of Music apartment house near 122nd and Claremont, and
on several other projects looks ... boring, when placed next to the real
thing (like that on the New York Yacht Club next door on 44th). Like
polyester next to linen. Like roquefort next to Kraft. The new stuff does
not have the deep grain, and highlights and transparency (?) of the vintage
stone. Is this simply a matter of weathering? Or are aliens taking over our
limestone quarries? Yrf, Chriftopher
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Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">...either. The limestone on the Harv=
ard Club expansion on West 44th, on the new Manhattan School of Music apartm=
ent house near 122nd and Claremont, and on several other projects looks ...=20=
boring, when placed next to the real thing (like that on the New York Yacht=20=
Club next door on 44th). Like polyester next to linen. Like roqu=
efort next to Kraft. The new stuff does not have the deep grain, and highlig=
hts and transparency (?) of the vintage stone. Is this simply a matter=
of weathering? Or are aliens taking over our limestone quarries? &nbs=
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>From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: IPTW 2003 Call for Demonstrators and Presenters
>Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:19:19 EST
>
>I would like to give a demonstration on how to give a demonstration.
>
>Nick: Seriously? I brought this up at our recent meeting, the need for a
>demonstration on demonstrations. We have a policy of whomever brings up a
>need has to take care of their own suggestion. I think I was asked if I
>would
>volunteer to demonstrate on myself. Besides, I'm now known as the official
>"disseminator". Problem is they won't let me change my clothes, though we
>will have a mud pit, I think. Officially there will be no drinking of beer
>so
>I'm not sure why there will be so many beer tents and what all the kegs are
>for. Possibly one of my fellow disseminators will be able to clarify the
>point back channel. I suggested we hold a Yokel Ono bed-in, "We won't get
>out
>of bed until all of the developers are hung and the old buildings are
>satisfied!" There is always room for two or one more. Let me know if you
>are
>volunteering. I'd rather spend my time working on a business session,
>"Dilbert and the 36 Strategems". ][<en
Ken:
I was kind of joking but I could see it working. My problem is that I am
here and it is tough to come back. When would IPTW be this year?
Nick
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Penguins Destroy Antarctic Hut with Their Poo (0)
The first building that was ever built by the hands of man in Antarctica, a=20
wooden hut that was built back in 1899, is exposed to penguins=E2=80=99 dest=
ructive=20
influence. Piles of their excrement are growing bigger and bigger around the=
=20
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=93 first=20
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Be sure to donate your $20 for poo removal!
Steve Stokowski
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10 Clark St., Ste. A
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145
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wooden hut that was built back in 1899, is exposed to penguins=E2=80=99 dest=
ructive influence. Piles of their excrement are growing bigger and bigger ar=
ound the hut that was erected by little-known Norwegian explorer Borhrevink=20=
=E2=80=93 first man that stepped on Antarctica in 1895. <BR>
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10 Clark St., Ste. A<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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Please Ralph, Do tell more about Prince Charles' aspirations. I hadn't
heard about that. Ruth
At 11:23 AM -0500 2/7/03, Ralph Walter wrote:
In a message dated 2/7/2003 10:46:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Ralph, They paved the creek bed?????? Why? Isn't that illegal??? Did
the fish like it that way?? Ruth
Well, see, it started out as a creek bed, but was used for a flood control
channel. Weren't no fish to speak of that I ever saw in there, although as
I remember there may once or twice have been what mah granny would have
called "minners," and I definitely remember pollywogs (not them other kinda
wogs like Pyrate hangs around with) and millions of frogs one summer (maybe
1958).
Weren't no PETM or PETP then, much less an EPA, and nobody'd even dreamed
up the notion of an EIS. Plus, Prince Charles didn't come to visit and ask
the little buggers if they liked the proposed paving, or tell them he
aspired to become a feminine hygiene product.
Simpler days, indeed.
Ralph
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> Please Ralph, Do tell more about Prince Charles' aspirations. I hadn't
> heard about that. Ruth
>
Ruth,
You asked for it. Some years back, there were news reports that he had had
an overheard cell phone conversation with the charming Mrs. Parker Bowles,
during which he expressed the wish that he could be her tampon.
Well, you asked for it. Other Pinheads (and assorted Pervheads) will confirm
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heard about that. Ruth<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
Ruth,<BR>
<BR>
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had an overheard cell phone conversation with the charming Mrs. Parker Bowl=
es, during which he expressed the wish that he could be her tampon.<BR>
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STONEWORK SYMPOSIUM 2003
SANTA FE NM APRIL 4
THE STONE FOUNDATION, a society of individuals involved with and/or
interested in stone, stonework and stone art will present this, the
third such gathering of stonework practitioners, advocates and
aficionados. As before the objectives are: interesting, knowledgeable
presentations, lively discourse and professional camaraderie.
This will also be the occasion of the society's first general
membership meeting, and the first Board of Directors meeting. There
will also be a collaborative stonework project which will showcase the
artistic potential of the craft.
THEMES:
medieval stonemasonry
stonework in architecture
restoration masonry
structural stonework
monumental rock art
dry stone walling
stone in the landscape
amerindian masonry
stonework of other lands
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Young man, I was all excited till I saw it was in NM, might as well be on
the moon. Wish it were closer--like southern VT where we have lots of
stone walls. Ruth
At 9:09 AM -0800 2/8/03, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>STONEWORK SYMPOSIUM 2003
>SANTA FE NM APRIL 4
>
>THE STONE FOUNDATION, a society of individuals involved with and/or
>interested in stone, stonework and stone art will present this, the
>third such gathering of stonework practitioners, advocates and
>aficionados. As before the objectives are: interesting, knowledgeable
>presentations, lively discourse and professional camaraderie.
>
>This will also be the occasion of the society's first general
>membership meeting, and the first Board of Directors meeting. There
>will also be a collaborative stonework project which will showcase the
>artistic potential of the craft.
>
>THEMES:
>medieval stonemasonry
>stonework in architecture
>restoration masonry
>structural stonework
>monumental rock art
>dry stone walling
>stone in the landscape
>amerindian masonry
>stonework of other lands
>
>For more information address inquires to Tomas Lipps [log in to unmask]
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Don't miss article about same salt mine in NY Times2/8/03. We were there =
at the time of Cargil's takeover. To my recall 4 people died during the =
time I worked there. I'll never forget finding the teeth embedded in a =
timber at about 1700 ft, must have been from the welder that went down =
the hole. OHSA, like any other organization, needs constant revival, or =
kicking in the butt to be top notch, but the changes wrought are many =
and good over the long haul.=20
Long ago when my wife worked with me on jobs, we were recasting =
sections of concrete cornice and other decorative work on the to be =
Norwalk Town Hall. There was a building collapse in a nearby town , with =
many killed. The next day Jen told me happily that there was a guy =
taking pictures of her walking the parapets. 2,000.00 fine.=20
Blame Ken for me being back Creighton
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ken Follett=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:53 AM
Subject: Progress of the OSHA Ladies
One of them songs I knew...and did not know. Guess I was in the =
basement at the time.
Sadly to say, I was fusing w/ DD's bag 24-7 and by day busting stone =
at the pre-OSHA salt mine. Happy to say those days did not last long and =
that I did not fall down the vertical shaft -- story is if you did fall =
down the shaft they would put what they could find of you in a shoe box. =
I, for one, like OSHA. Without it I figure I would be dead. For halfways =
decent employers it works towards leveling the field, that safety is not =
always an expense over and beyond what the competition will do. As to =
hard regulation, fines & inspections, the world is a busy place and =
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nearby town ,=20
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DD's bag=20
24-7 and by day busting stone at the pre-OSHA salt mine. Happy to say =
those=20
days did not last long and that I did not fall down the vertical shaft =
--=20
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find of=20
you in a shoe box. I, for one, like OSHA. Without it I figure I would =
be dead.=20
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that safety=20
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> Blame Ken for me being back Creighton
Creighton!
Great to hear from you! Stick around, will ya? There's lots to be done.
Best regards,
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Creighton!<BR>
<BR>
Great to hear from you! Stick around, will ya? There's lots to b=
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<BR>
Best regards,<BR>
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ralph,
head is hung in shame for groooos error. howsomever allyou will ever =
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Olgoat.
Great site! Thanks!
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In a message dated 2/8/2003 8:35:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> ralph,
>
> head is hung in shame for groooos error. howsomever allyou will ever want
> to know... as always,errorly yours, olgoat
>
Sir (or madam) olgoat,
Not to worry. Headhanging not required; am unaware of any grievous error you
may have committed, as Mrs. Ralph has been keeping me up to date on my own.
Looked at the website you forwarded, and have (independently) subsequently
determined that scale (white fecal matter, similar in grain size/color to
dishwashing detergent) in my water lines is not limited to hot lines, but
also occurs in cold as well. Therefore hot water heater MAY not be on verge
of catastrophic explosion/long painful death out as originally anticipated.
Then again, maybe yes.
Therefore will revert to fallback position: do nothing.
Thanks,
Ralph
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Sir (or madam) olgoat,<BR>
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Not to worry. Headhanging not required; am unaware of any grievous err=
or you may have committed, as Mrs. Ralph has been keeping me up to date on m=
y own.<BR>
<BR>
Looked at the website you forwarded, and have (independently) subsequently d=
etermined that scale (white fecal matter, similar in grain size/color =20=
to dishwashing detergent) in my water lines is not limited to hot lines, but=
also occurs in cold as well. Therefore hot water heater MAY not be on=
verge of catastrophic explosion/long painful death out as originally antici=
pated. <BR>
<BR>
Then again, maybe yes.<BR>
<BR>
Therefore will revert to fallback position: do nothing.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
<BR>
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I have been "away" with no lap top.see you next week
Pyrate
Two Flags
The light was an old light; golden in tinsel chandeliers up above harbor
Hotel reception room with red carpets washed thin and stained with a
generation of Budwiser and a millennium of hot Southern nights.
A dirty mirrored Loretta Young stairway tumbles into the room suggesting
that once soriety queens in buffonts danced to Elvis and Gladys Knight" here.
Now the same colored waiters in white service coats hustle drinks to old
retired warriors;ribboned and corpulent perhaps wishing they could hear the
Soul music of happier times once more as they make small talk with hawk
nosed accountants and car salesmen with buckled cell phones who snap their
gum and grin widely.
.Like dusky shadows the waiters move among the crowd with iced burbons on
silver trays their tight collars making beads of sweat at their foreheads
A bevy of ill kept red necks; and good ol boys lounged guard at the door;
Their Sunday clothes and bad haircutsd are out of date ;
With surly stares and white socks they keep all but the initiated and
invited at bay like curs over a food bowl.
I took a long tug on my bourbon and waited ; my boys were not with me .
I knew nobody in this room except one vague acquaintance and he wasn't
showing; well not yet anyway.
Suddenly;there was a call to attention; and old and young rose about a
hundred in alll.
The standard bearers brought in two falgs.in ceremony and stood to face the
room
. First; the American flag and the pledge of allegiance; with hand over
heart was recited with reverend cadence like the fervent allegiance of
former and would be patriots.
Then as if I was in a a Leni Risenstall (sp) movie ; in quick succession
Next followed the furl of the Confederate flag .....and a spell bound
pledge... to the honor of the Confederacy with equal patriotism..
..This is riveting performance is hauntingly demonstrated with
outstretched arm rigid with the palm lifted open.... to heaven.
.
It was moving, powerful; and scary all at once.
I can see how small egos can get caught up and feel empowered by such
ceremony.
Blood oaths of fealty;and supposed inner knowledge of sacred inheritance of
country and divine right by race can rule mens hearts just as much now as it
did in Attila the Huns day.
All I need now is for the lights to go off and the sheets parade in with
their torches
and Im outta here .
It wasn't so ; but the drama continued
After the pledges; the flags were retired next to the Baptist Christian
flag;(which is the Protestant flag ) This gets me nervous ; but to many its
as natural as apple pie.
I was then half expecting a militant recital of the Nicene creed; but
pleasantly that didn't happen either
This is it; I am in the holly of hollies. The meeting of the sons of the
Confederacy
in a creaking old Hotel out of the Southern 60's.
I took another long tug on my fresh bourbon and reflected on how in the
heck did I get here .
Ive been working graves and have uncovered a few corpses; one with a doubloon
in its mouth another wearing a chasity belt.
Last week I uncovered a rib cage; thigh bone and a ten Franc piece of the
French revolution.The coin now graces my neck as a lucky charm
but tonight Im not so sure.
The graves I was working lie near Confederate rest . Long white rows of
marble slab in the hundreds just outside Mobile.
It was on the birthday of Robert E. Lee. and ran into another stone mason
who works the confederate (and union) graves.
A great big ; shirt off your back ;good ol boy stonemason with a thick
drawl,
who loves to hunt an fish ; cut stone and talk story "bout da wa"
and by the way could I come over and meet their group Mon /night.
I said yes as I was listening to him recite the exploits of the 5 generals
of the confederacy who are buried here.
Now for those of us who grew up with pictures of Lee and Washington on the
school room wall instead of Linclon
Robert E Lee Day is now celebrated as
Dr.Martin Luther King day ;
King whose real birthday is anther month;is by no means an "accident" ; by
being put into Lees birthday
thus making it ... a "federal holiday"
This political gerrymander is like letting the Protestants of Northern
Ireland march the Orange in catholic neighborhoods. It does nothing to help
"race " in this country
Another screw up to pit one group aginst anoter
To the Sons ; whose kin lie in neat white rows by the hundreds; and most
never owned slaves ; bristle of any affront to their gallant memory or to
their flag..The stars and bars
.
I hate these food fights ; In the end diversity will win ; but I try and
stay clear of them as nobody is alive from these days to defend themselves.
But there is power in Death; just ask the groups who want reparations for
slavery; or go to Culloden in Morray Scotland where the Scots lie in Clan
mounds by the hundreds under their own flag;; their children came to the
American Antebellum South
..as for me ; keep the bloody flag ; I like the history
Meanwhile; back at ground zero
I was munching on some stale M&M's from a paper doily and finding courage in
the bourbon when suddenly I was introduced to the Sons ; as " a friend of
ours" ( Haven't I heard that before...God father?)
My stonemason friend welcomed me to the dias where I momentarily nervously
stared at the crowd trying to find words before someone in the crowd could
throw a rope over a beam .
Fearing the worst; I then gave a historical narrative how the southern
side of my family fought and died at Gettysburg and Vicksburg and that I was
also directly related to General Mcellan; the General of the Union Army
before Grant and a political opponent of Linclon.
I shared some personal family stories from that period, whether they were
true or not I don't know but the crwod ate it up; and afterwards away from
the dias admist back slapping and cigars I was asked to the "pig roast" and
turkey shoot out at our "camp"
to which I politely deferred to my schedule; and Groucho's famous quote:
That I never joined clubs that would have me for a member.
Pyrate
Ps The sons have about 40,000 members here (and abroad)
Michael from a stonemasons journal
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Well Mr. Michael, always a pleasure to ride the rails with you.
"reflected on how in the heck did I get here "; it was meant to be, and
you know it!
Looking forward to your next visit to the Elm City. I can show you my
Great-Grandfather's Union pistol and uniform and another
Great-Grandfather's Confederate Uniform and swords! Thank heaven for
the mutt.
Best,
Leland
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I have been "away" with no lap top.see you next week
Pyrate
Two Flags
The light was an old light; golden in tinsel chandeliers up above
harbor Hotel reception room with red carpets washed thin and stained
with a generation of Budwiser and a millennium of hot Southern nights. A
dirty mirrored Loretta Young stairway tumbles into the room
suggesting that once soriety queens in buffonts danced to Elvis and
Gladys Knight" here.
Now the same colored waiters in white service coats hustle drinks to
old retired warriors;ribboned and corpulent perhaps wishing they could
hear the Soul music of happier times once more as they make small talk
with hawk nosed accountants and car salesmen with buckled cell phones
who snap their gum and grin widely. .Like dusky shadows the waiters
move among the crowd with iced burbons on silver trays their tight
collars making beads of sweat at their foreheads
A bevy of ill kept red necks; and good ol boys lounged guard at the
door; Their Sunday clothes and bad haircutsd are out of date ; With
surly stares and white socks they keep all but the initiated and
invited at bay like curs over a food bowl.
I took a long tug on my bourbon and waited ; my boys were not with me .
I knew nobody in this room except one vague acquaintance and he wasn't
showing; well not yet anyway.
Suddenly;there was a call to attention; and old and young rose about a
hundred in alll.
The standard bearers brought in two falgs.in ceremony and stood to face
the room . First; the American flag and the pledge of allegiance; with
hand over heart was recited with reverend cadence like the fervent
allegiance of former and would be patriots.
Then as if I was in a a Leni Risenstall (sp) movie ; in quick
succession Next followed the furl of the Confederate flag .....and a
spell bound pledge... to the honor of the Confederacy with equal
patriotism..
..This is riveting performance is hauntingly demonstrated with
outstretched arm rigid with the palm lifted open.... to heaven.
.
It was moving, powerful; and scary all at once.
I can see how small egos can get caught up and feel empowered by such
ceremony. Blood oaths of fealty;and supposed inner knowledge of sacred
inheritance of country and divine right by race can rule mens hearts
just as much now as it did in Attila the Huns day. All I need now is for
the lights to go off and the sheets parade in with their torches and
Im outta here . It wasn't so ; but the drama continued
After the pledges; the flags were retired next to the Baptist Christian
flag;(which is the Protestant flag ) This gets me nervous ; but to many
its as natural as apple pie. I was then half expecting a militant
recital of the Nicene creed; but pleasantly that didn't happen either
This is it; I am in the holly of hollies. The meeting of the sons of
the Confederacy in a creaking old Hotel out of the Southern 60's. I took
another long tug on my fresh bourbon and reflected on how in the heck
did I get here .
Ive been working graves and have uncovered a few corpses; one with a
doubloon in its mouth another wearing a chasity belt. Last week I
uncovered a rib cage; thigh bone and a ten Franc piece of the French
revolution.The coin now graces my neck as a lucky charm but tonight Im
not so sure.
The graves I was working lie near Confederate rest . Long white rows of
marble slab in the hundreds just outside Mobile. It was on the
birthday of Robert E. Lee. and ran into another stone mason who works
the confederate (and union) graves. A great big ; shirt off your back
;good ol boy stonemason with a thick drawl, who loves to hunt an fish ;
cut stone and talk story "bout da wa" and by the way could I come over
and meet their group Mon /night. I said yes as I was listening to him
recite the exploits of the 5 generals of the confederacy who are buried
here.
Now for those of us who grew up with pictures of Lee and Washington on
the school room wall instead of Linclon Robert E Lee Day is now
celebrated as Dr.Martin Luther King day ; King whose real birthday is
anther month;is by no means an "accident" ; by
being put into Lees birthday
thus making it ... a "federal holiday"
This political gerrymander is like letting the Protestants of Northern
Ireland march the Orange in catholic neighborhoods. It does nothing to
help "race " in this country Another screw up to pit one group aginst
anoter
To the Sons ; whose kin lie in neat white rows by the hundreds; and most
never owned slaves ; bristle of any affront to their gallant memory or
to their flag..The stars and bars . I hate these food fights ; In the
end diversity will win ; but I try and stay clear of them as nobody is
alive from these days to defend themselves. But there is power in Death;
just ask the groups who want reparations for slavery; or go to Culloden
in Morray Scotland where the Scots lie in Clan mounds by the hundreds
under their own flag;; their children came to the American Antebellum
South ..as for me ; keep the bloody flag ; I like the history
Meanwhile; back at ground zero
I was munching on some stale M&M's from a paper doily and finding
courage in the bourbon when suddenly I was introduced to the Sons ; as
" a friend of ours" ( Haven't I heard that before...God father?) My
stonemason friend welcomed me to the dias where I momentarily nervously
stared at the crowd trying to find words before someone in the crowd
could throw a rope over a beam . Fearing the worst; I then gave a
historical narrative how the southern side of my family fought and died
at Gettysburg and Vicksburg and that I was also directly related to
General Mcellan; the General of the Union Army before Grant and a
political opponent of Linclon. I shared some personal family stories
from that period, whether they were true or not I don't know but the
crwod ate it up; and afterwards away from the dias admist back
slapping and cigars I was asked to the "pig roast" and turkey shoot out
at our "camp" to which I politely deferred to my schedule; and Groucho's
famous quote:
That I never joined clubs that would have me for a member. Pyrate Ps
The sons have about 40,000 members here (and abroad)
Michael from a stonemasons journal
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Hi Creighton, Don't believe we've met. I'm Ruth, the Vermont farmer who
stumbled in here just to entertain the troops with my stupid questions.
Glad to meecha.
At 6:47 PM -0500 2/8/03, vgernet.net wrote:
Don't miss article about same salt mine in NY Times2/8/03. We were there at
the time of Cargil's takeover. To my recall 4 people died during the time I
worked there. I'll never forget finding the teeth embedded in a timber at
about 1700 ft, must have been from the welder that went down the hole.
OHSA, like any other organization, needs constant revival, or kicking in
the butt to be top notch, but the changes wrought are many and good over
the long haul.
Long ago when my wife worked with me on jobs, we were recasting
sections of concrete cornice and other decorative work on the to be Norwalk
Town Hall. There was a building collapse in a nearby town , with many
killed. The next day Jen told me happily that there was a guy taking
pictures of her walking the parapets. 2,000.00 fine.
Blame Ken for me being back Creighton
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Mr. Pyrate, suh!
Ah have just finished a recent book on the late Mr. Lincoln, which claims
that he is (and in his yout', the Whigs and their successor firm, the
Republicans are) the cause of today's overly-centralized Federal govt.
Evidently the author is some sort of states-rights guy, which the author
claims was the original intent of all the foundling fathers and every other
good person in the world. Hamilton was the one who originally came up with
the notion of having the Feds run everything, and this was picked up by the
Whigs and Reps under the guise of The American Plan, which was also concocted
to promote "internal improvements" which built canals and railroads (for the
North of course, at the South's expense). According to this author, the
"internal improvements" were all a scam to give subsidies to various
corporations which would keep the Whigs and Reps in power. Also, nobody
(north or south) gave a damn about the slaves, except the North didn't want
ex-slaves anywhere nearby, and part of the fight over extension of slavery
into the West was an attempt by Whites to keep blacks out altogether, slave
or free.
Anyway, it was very interesting, but I still haven't figured out what the
author's axe-to-grind was, although he does seem to feel there was something
not-quite- right about slavery, and why didn't Lincoln do a buyout of
slaveowners and then send the freed slaves to Africa or Haiti or Costa
Rica/Honduras (which appears to have been Father Abraham's idea of what to do
with them).
Prior to reading this slim volume, another idea had germinated in my head:
That the Confederates were (and their pro-Confederate heirs, assigns and
ideological followers and perpetuators are) in fact traitors to the United
States. So why, o wise one, is this not the case?
With greetings from nearly-seceded Noo Joisey,
Ralph
PS-- The author also claimed that there was a move my several Northern states
to secede, I believe about the time of the War of 1812, and nobody ever
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Mr. Pyrate, suh!<BR>
<BR>
Ah have just finished a recent book on the late Mr. Lincoln, which claims th=
at he is (and in his yout', the Whigs and their successor firm, the Republic=
ans are) the cause of today's overly-centralized Federal govt. E=
vidently the author is some sort of states-rights guy, which the author clai=
ms was the original intent of all the foundling fathers and every other good=
person in the world. Hamilton was the one who originally came up with=
the notion of having the Feds run everything, and this was picked up by the=
Whigs and Reps under the guise of The American Plan, which was also concoct=
ed to promote "internal improvements" which built canals and railroads (for=20=
the North of course, at the South's expense). According to this author=
, the "internal improvements" were all a scam to give subsidies to various c=
orporations which would keep the Whigs and Reps in power. Also, nobody=
(north or south) gave a damn about the slaves, except the North didn't want=
ex-slaves anywhere nearby, and part of the fight over extension of slavery=20=
into the West was an attempt by Whites to keep blacks out altogether, slave=20=
or free.<BR>
Anyway, it was very interesting, but I still haven't figured out what the au=
thor's axe-to-grind was, although he does seem to feel there was something n=
ot-quite- right about slavery, and why didn't Lincoln do a buyout of slaveow=
ners and then send the freed slaves to Africa or Haiti or Costa Rica/Hondura=
s (which appears to have been Father Abraham's idea of what to do with them)=
.<BR>
<BR>
Prior to reading this slim volume, another idea had germinated in my head:&n=
bsp; That the Confederates were (and their pro-Confederate heirs, assigns an=
d ideological followers and perpetuators are) in fact traitors to the United=
States. So why, o wise one, is this not the case?<BR>
<BR>
With greetings from nearly-seceded Noo Joisey,<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
PS-- The author also claimed that there was a move my several Northern state=
s to secede, I believe about the time of the War of 1812, and nobody ever co=
mplained about that.</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 11:21:02 EST
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In a message dated 2/9/2003 10:13:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> PS-- The author also claimed that there was a move my several Northern
> states to secede, I believe about the time of the War of 1812, and nobody
> ever complained about that.
If I'm not mistaken Vermont was one of them.
Steve
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<BR>
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al Northern states to secede, I believe about the time of the War of 1812, a=
nd nobody ever complained about that.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=
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If I'm not mistaken Vermont was one of them.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: Two Flags
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In a message dated 2/9/2003 11:21:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> If I'm not mistaken Vermont was one of them.
>
Steve,
I believe you are correct, or at least that your information agrees with this
"Real Lincoln" author's. I think he also claimed that Mass refused to supply
militia to the War of 1812, and that CT gave serious consideration to
secession at the same time.
The thing I couldn't figure out is what was the "real, nefarious" purpose of
these "internal impreovements" that the Northerners were so big on, and the
South so opposed to. Why wouldn't everybody have gotten canals, and
railroads and roads and courthouses and various porkbarrel projects?
It also sounded as if the 3/5 rule (where a slave counted as 3/5 of a person
(presumably for census and congressional seat purposes, but couldn't vote)
should have favored the South.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/9/2003 11:21:35 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">If I'm not mistaken Vermont was one of them.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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Steve,<BR>
I believe you are correct, or at least that your information agrees with thi=
s "Real Lincoln" author's. I think he also claimed that Mass refused t=
o supply militia to the War of 1812, and that CT gave serious consideration=20=
to secession at the same time.<BR>
<BR>
The thing I couldn't figure out is what was the "real, nefarious" purpose of=
these "internal impreovements" that the Northerners were so big on, a=
nd the South so opposed to. Why wouldn't <U>everybody</U> have gotten=20=
canals, and railroads and roads and courthouses and various porkbarrel proje=
cts?<BR>
<BR>
It also sounded as if the 3/5 rule (where a slave counted as 3/5 of a person=
(presumably for census and congressional seat purposes, but couldn't vote)=20=
should have <U>favored</U> the South. <BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
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Steve, We didn't join up till late, 4 March 1791, but I don't think we
wanted to secede after that. There were some problems between NY and NH,
both wanting to claim VT lands, that had to be cleared up by congress
before we could join the US. Before that we were an independent country
and sometimes I wish we still were. Then Dean would have been president
already and he wouldn't have to run now. Ruth
At 11:21 AM -0500 2/9/03, [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 2/9/2003 10:13:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
PS-- The author also claimed that there was a move my several Northern
states to secede, I believe about the time of the War of 1812, and nobody
ever complained about that.
If I'm not mistaken Vermont was one of them.
Steve
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> a Leni Risenstall (sp) movie
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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Subject: Re: The North Shall Rise Again
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Ruth,
This alleged individual (one Thos. DiLorenzo, a great Southern name, who is a
prof at Loyola U in MD) claims that the Northern secession movement was
started by Federalists in reponse to Jefferson's LA Purchase in 1803, which
the Yankees somehow thought benefited VA at their expense. Jefferson then
embargoed foreign trade in 1807, which screwed the Yankee merchants again,
and during the War of 1812, the Yankee merchants got it in the neck again
from Madison.
If this is true, kinda makes ya wonder whether there wasn't an element of
payback in the despoliation of the South for this early-century stuff, as
well as for starting the Civil War. Of course, Lincoln who tricked the South
into attacking Fort McHenry by insisting on reprovisioning it, rather than
letting it be starved out, which of course would have been just fine.
Ralph
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<BR>
This alleged individual (one Thos. DiLorenzo, a great Southern name, who is=20=
a prof at Loyola U in MD) claims that the Northern secession movement was st=
arted by Federalists in reponse to Jefferson's LA Purchase in 1803, which th=
e Yankees somehow thought benefited VA at their expense. Jefferson then emba=
rgoed foreign trade in 1807, which screwed the Yankee merchants again,=
and during the War of 1812, the Yankee merchants got it in the neck again f=
rom Madison. <BR>
<BR>
If this is true, kinda makes ya wonder whether there wasn't an element of pa=
yback in the despoliation of the South for this early-century stuff, as well=
as for starting the Civil War. Of course, Lincoln who tricked the Sou=
th into attacking Fort McHenry by insisting on reprovisioning it, rather tha=
n letting it be starved out, which of course would have been just fine.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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In a message dated 2/9/03 9:59:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> Of course, Lincoln who tricked the South into attacking Fort McHenry
Ralph:
WOW, this is sure revisionist.
Steve Stokowski
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Ralph:<BR>
<BR>
WOW, this is sure revisionist. <BR>
<BR>
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The following email was received this morning.
THE MAN IN THE BALLOON
A man in a hot air balloon realized he was lost. He reduced altitude and
spotted a man below. He descended a bit more and shouted "Excuse me, can
you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't
know where I am."
"The man below replied, "You're in a hot air balloon hovering approximately
30 feet above the ground. You're between 40 and 41 degrees north latitude
and between 59 and 60 degrees west longitude".
"You must be a Contractor", said the balloonist.
"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"
"Well", answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically
correct, but I've no idea what to make of your information the fact is I'm
still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help at all. If anything, you've
delayed my trip"
The man below responded, "You must be an Architect"
"I am", replied the balloonist, "but how did you know?"
"Well", said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you're going.
You have risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You
made a promise, which you've no idea how to keep, and you expect people
beneath you to solve your problems. The fact is you are in exactly the same
position you were in before we met, but now, somehow, it's my fault."
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I heard this one as a Republican and a Democrat.
Ralph
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Subject: Re: The North Shall Rise Again
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In a message dated 2/10/2003 8:20:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> >> Of course, Lincoln who tricked the South into attacking Fort McHenry
> Ralph:
> WOW, this is sure revisionist.
> Steve,
So why did the cool-headed, rational Southerners fall for it?
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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WOW, this is sure revisionist. <BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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Ruth -
Think of it this way. NM is a good place to show what can happen to stone after many years of erosion - especially if it's sandstone.
- Pam who lives in a stone house.
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Young man, I was all excited till I saw it was in NM, might as well be on
the moon. Wish it were closer--like southern VT where we have lots of
stone walls. Ruth
At 9:09 AM -0800 2/8/03, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>STONEWORK SYMPOSIUM 2003
>SANTA FE NM APRIL 4
>
>THE STONE FOUNDATION, a society of individuals involved with and/or
>interested in stone, stonework and stone art will present this, the
>third such gathering of stonework practitioners, advocates and
>aficionados. As before the objectives are: interesting, knowledgeable
>presentations, lively discourse and professional camaraderie.
>
>This will also be the occasion of the society's first general
>membership meeting, and the first Board of Directors meeting. There
>will also be a collaborative stonework project which will showcase the
>artistic potential of the craft.
>
>THEMES:
>medieval stonemasonry
>stonework in architecture
>restoration masonry
>structural stonework
>monumental rock art
>dry stone walling
>stone in the landscape
>amerindian masonry
>stonework of other lands
>
>For more information address inquires to Tomas Lipps [log in to unmask]
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Ruth -</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Think of it this way. NM is a good place to show what
can happen to stone after many years of erosion - especially if it's
sandstone.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam who lives in a stone house.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:11
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: STONEWORK SYMPOSIUM</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Young man, I was all excited till I saw it was in NM,
might as well be on<BR>the moon. Wish it were closer--like southern VT
where we have lots of<BR>stone walls. Ruth<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 9:09 AM
-0800 2/8/03, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:<BR>>STONEWORK SYMPOSIUM
2003<BR>>SANTA FE NM APRIL
4<BR>><BR>>THE STONE FOUNDATION, a society of individuals involved with
and/or<BR>>interested in stone, stonework and stone art will present
this, the<BR>>third such gathering of stonework practitioners, advocates
and<BR>>aficionados. As before the objectives are: interesting,
knowledgeable<BR>>presentations, lively discourse and professional
camaraderie.<BR>><BR>>This will also be the occasion of the society's
first general<BR>>membership meeting, and the first Board of
Directors meeting. There<BR>>will also be a collaborative stonework
project which will showcase the<BR>>artistic potential of the
craft.<BR>><BR>>THEMES:<BR>>medieval stonemasonry<BR>>stonework in
architecture<BR>>restoration masonry<BR>>structural
stonework<BR>>monumental rock art<BR>>dry stone walling<BR>>stone in
the landscape<BR>>amerindian masonry<BR>>stonework of other
lands<BR>><BR>>For more information address inquires to Tomas Lipps <A
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:04:07 -0500
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From: Chris Tavener <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Copper skylights
I would like to find metalworkers in the Northwest (the project is in
Olympia, WA) who would be interested and skilled in rebuilding/restoring
several large copper hipped skylights on a landmark building, with
detailing typical of the early C20. Any recommendations?
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:24:31 -0500
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Did we? I never knew Baltimore came under attack during the War.
Sign me,
McSumter
Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/10/2003 8:20:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>> > Of course, Lincoln who tricked the South into attacking Fort
>> > McHenry
>>
>>
>> Ralph:
>> WOW, this is sure revisionist.
>
> Steve,
> So why did the cool-headed, rational Southerners fall for it?
> Ralph
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:34:12 -0800
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From: Ruth Barton <[log in to unmask]>
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Pam, We have some sandstone here too. Not in the immediate area but up
north in Burlington area there is quite a bit of "redstone," it is very
red--don't ask me why. There is so much of it UVM built one whole part of
their campus out of it. Also some to the south of us at Greenfield, MA and
in Windsor, CT area. We went to the Bradley airport Sat and all the
roadsand down there is red.
Our oldest son is in Albuquerque, NM as I write. Hubby's sister and family
live out there so he wanted to go to see about work prospects. Some
members of my family like to travel, just not me. Ruth
At 8:44 AM -0500 2/10/03, Pam Stevenson wrote:
Ruth -
Think of it this way. NM is a good place to show what can happen to stone
after many years of erosion - especially if it's sandstone.
- Pam who lives in a stone house.
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Subject: Re: STONEWORK SYMPOSIUM
Young man, I was all excited till I saw it was in NM, might as well be on
the moon. Wish it were closer--like southern VT where we have lots of
stone walls. Ruth
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:26:09 EST
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Subject: Re: The North Shall Rise Again
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Alright, I erred. Are you happy?
It was Fort Sumter, not Fort McHenry, where the Recent Unpleasantness began.
Big deal. The Yankees still pounded the fecal matter out of you jerks,
didn't they?
Ralph The Temperate
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It was Fort Sumter, not Fort McHenry, where the Recent Unpleasantness began.=
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:29:37 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: STONEWORK SYMPOSIUM
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In a message dated 2/10/2003 11:26:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Some
> members of my family like to travel, just not me.
Ruth,
We knew you were the smart one. But we'd still like to see you.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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members of my family like to travel, just not me. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Ruth,<BR>
<BR>
We knew you were the smart one. But we'd still like to see you.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:50:15 -0500
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From: "J.A. Drew Diaz" <[log in to unmask]>
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Anyone have opinions in re dog training books/videos-
Last dog I had was a cattle dog who preferred lizards and prairie dogs
to kibble..
However the kids are calling my bluff- Dylan is out of diapers....
& we promised a dog after that occurred...
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:01:41 -0500
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An article in the New York Times mentioned me (and my Nigerian Fraud
Email collection) today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/10/technology/10SPAM.html
Larry
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:06:46 -0500
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Ralph Walter wrote:
> I heard this one as a Republican and a Democrat.
I first heard this one (without any latitudes and longitudes) as being
about Microsoft. The business about being technically true without being
the least bit healpful resonates with anyone who has ever tried to use
Microsoft documentation.
Larry
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:24:21 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
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How do you think he got his nick name?
Too bad you guys don't know my undercover family nick name...
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Too bad you guys don't know my undercover family nick name...<BR>
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:26:25 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Burning Man, Redux...
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He was unceremoniously escorted out the door by the ear.
Ruth: How terrible! Was the ear in a shoe box? ][<en
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Ruth: How terrible! Was the ear in a shoe box? ][<en</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:31:56 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I believe this is the high type of discourse BP should aim
for...
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If you all start using that high falutin' sort of talk on here this ol'
country gal is outta here.
Ruth: Never fear... we would all have to go to school another 20 years before
we start talking like that. ][<en
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:37:51 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Now that you mention it,
real limestone isn't what it used to be...
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Is this simply a matter of weathering? Or are aliens taking over our
limestone quarries?
Sharpshooter: Probably weathering, which could also have probably been more
closely matched with a bit more process and care. As it is, time works
wonders. I've not heard any rumors of ET's & the Indiana quarries... please
confirm your sources of information. ][<en
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ering, which could also have probably been more closely matched with a bit m=
ore process and care. As it is, time works wonders. I've not heard any rumor=
s of ET's & the Indiana quarries... please confirm your sources of infor=
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:40:59 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: IPTW 2003 Call for Demonstrators and Presenters
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When would IPTW be this year?
October 9-11, 2003 at Howard COunty, MD, not too far from the
Baltimore-Washington airport. www.ptn.org
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:46:44 EST
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Subject: Nick & the Tankless Water Heater
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Therefore hot water heater MAY not be on verge of catastrophic explosion/long
painful death out as originally anticipated.
Nick: I remain confused over the little white specs in the drain. Could you
please provide us with a symbolic interpretation of Ralph connecting death
with his water heater and dreaming of Mr. M. Stecklow aka the grim reaper?
Thanks, ][<en
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Nick: I remain confused over the little white specs in the drain. Could you=20=
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: A little ink
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An article in the New York Times mentioned me
Yes!
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Nick & the Tankless Water Heater
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In a message dated 2/10/2003 12:47:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Therefore hot water heater MAY not be on verge of catastrophic
> explosion/long painful death out as originally anticipated.
>
>
>
> Nick: I remain confused over the little white specs in the drain. Could you
> please provide us with a symbolic interpretation of Ralph connecting death
> with his water heater and dreaming of Mr. M. Stecklow aka the grim reaper?
> Thanks, ][<en
>
Ken,
Catastrophic explosion/long painful death was concern for water heater, not
my corporeal self. At least, for now.
Little white specs were in faucet strainers, not in drains; most probable
explanation (currently) is scale, but from where, as this fecal matter
appeared in hot AND cold lines.
As for connection of M. Stecklow to G. Reaper, I had seen him (and his
fraternal units and other associates) more along the line of Old Scratch, and
thus less omnipotent than G. Reaper.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Therefore hot water heater MAY=20=
not be on verge of catastrophic explosion/long painful death out as original=
ly anticipated. <BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Nick: I remain confused over the little white specs in the drain. Could you=20=
please provide us with a symbolic interpretation of Ralph connecting death w=
ith his water heater and dreaming of Mr. M. Stecklow aka the grim reaper? Th=
anks, ][<en<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Ken,<BR>
<BR>
Catastrophic explosion/long painful death was concern for water heater, not=20=
my corporeal self. At least, for now. <BR>
<BR>
Little white specs were in faucet strainers, not in drains; most probable ex=
planation (currently) is scale, but from where, as this fecal matter appeare=
d in hot AND cold lines.<BR>
<BR>
As for connection of M. Stecklow to G. Reaper, I had seen him (and his frate=
rnal units and other associates) more along the line of Old Scratch, and thu=
s less omnipotent than G. Reaper.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Progress of the OSHA Ladies
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Blame Ken for me being back Creighton
CTB: A worthy occurence to be blamed for. Stay & prosper. ][<en
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:48:28 -0500
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
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I'll never tell!
- Pam
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Subject: Re: cp termite stations?
How do you think he got his nick name?
Too bad you guys don't know my undercover family nick name...
][<en
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I'll never tell!</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A> </DIV>
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:46:37 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: Needed ... a good wine/liquor store in Detroit.
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Any ideas? Thoughtfully single-spaced by, Christopher
How about Dearborn? ][<en
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:08:55 -0800
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No, still firmly attached to his block head. Ruth
At 12:26 PM -0500 2/10/03, Ken Follett wrote:
He was unceremoniously escorted out the door by the ear.
Ruth: How terrible! Was the ear in a shoe box? ][<en
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:06:43 -0800
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Hi Larry, I went to read it and they wanted me to sign my life away just
to read the article so I just quickly left. Can someone send it to me
please? Thanks, Ruth
At 12:01 PM -0500 2/10/03, Lawrence Kestenbaum wrote:
>An article in the New York Times mentioned me (and my Nigerian Fraud
>Email collection) today:
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/10/technology/10SPAM.html
>
> Larry
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:03:02 -0800
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Ralph, and anybody else who wants to, You're always welcome to come see me.
I just can't go to where you are. I have an elderly dementia patient to
see to. I don't even go up north for meetings of the Vt Old Cemetery
Assoc. any more as I don't want to be gone that long. I do work part time
some days while my husband stays here with Dad. Ruth
At 11:29 AM -0500 2/10/03, Ralph Walter wrote:
In a message dated 2/10/2003 11:26:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Ruth,
We knew you were the smart one. But we'd still like to see you.
Ralph
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:31:09 EST
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In a message dated 2/10/03 3:23:02 PM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I went to read it and they wanted me to sign my life away just to read the
> article so I just quickly left
No they didn't, just cut and paste the cite - the first week of articles is
free. Sign me, Big Deal, Getting Into The Times, They've Got At Least 15
Sections A Day Now!
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le=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D7 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial=
" LANG=3D"0">2/10/03 3:23:02 PM</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACK=
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:32:04 EST
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<[log in to unmask]>
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> I have an elderly dementia patient to see to.
I see - a BP subscriber.
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:14:52 -0500
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From: Nicholas Micros <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Now that you mention it,
real limestone isn't what it used to be...
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>From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Now that you mention it, real limestone isn't
>what it used to be...
>Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:37:51 EST
>
> Is this simply a matter of weathering? Or are aliens taking over our
>limestone quarries?
>Sharpshooter: Probably weathering, which could also have probably been more
>closely matched with a bit more process and care. As it is, time works
>wonders. I've not heard any rumors of ET's & the Indiana quarries... please
>confirm your sources of information. ][<en
Hey man, have you not seen the "X-Files"? Those aliens are all over the mid-
west1
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>
>Therefore hot water heater MAY not be on verge of catastrophic
>explosion/long
>painful death out as originally anticipated.
>
>Nick: I remain confused over the little white specs in the drain. Could you
>please provide us with a symbolic interpretation of Ralph connecting death
>with his water heater and dreaming of Mr. M. Stecklow aka the grim reaper?
>Thanks, ][<en
Ken:
It is 21 hour here but for the sake of Ralph's psychic well being, I will
make a consultation.
The "house" is the A#1 symbol of the feminine principle and the soul. The
water heater can be seen as the beating "heart" of the house. All things
nurtiuring, life giving and creative are attributed to the feminine
principal. Viewed in this context, I believe the water heater crisis is
quite clear. Viewed in a restoration context, I would say even clearer. Time
to get a new water heater.
The white bits in the strainer are less clear. My first impression is of
bone shards. I would need a little more input from the patient (I mean
Ralph).
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:33:17 -0500
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My outbound e-mail has been messed up for the past few days, so excuse
me if I already answered this. My take on this issue is that the
primary reason masonry cement is used is because it is cheaper/lower
energy to produce, as Steve S. has suggested. It is not necessarily
air-entrained, and there are those who adhere to the belief that air
entrainment significantly reduces bond strength.
We have been partial to using lime-cement because of the greater
plastic deformation cited by Eric. I'm not very sure how efficiently
or reliably autogeneous healing occurs as a practical matter, but in
theory, this can happen.
The great overlooked point in my mind is that although lime
theoretically reacts with carbon dioxide to form calcite (calcium
carbonate) which is the same as the main component in limestone, lime
never really converts completely, even after a century or more. The
remaining calcium hydroxide readily forms a soft paste when wet, hence
the greater plastic deformation.
Mike E.
> Thanks for the responses so far, but it seams to me, clumping issues
aside,
> that PCL makes a much better mortar - better plastic deformation and
> autogeneous healing of cracks. What purpose does the pulverized
limestone
> have (powdered aggregate?) and isn't hydrated lime better?
>
> Also the technical notes from the Brick Institute of America and the
> Portland Cement Association "qualify" the heck out of describing what
> masonry cement is - there is no good info provided. The primary
aspects
> mentioned are job site ease - one bag for cement, a pile of sand and
water.
> How is one supposed to confidently specify mortar when you can't
find out
> what is in it?
>
> Mike E, can you shed some of your wisdom?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric Hammarberg
> Director of Preservation
> Associate
> LZA Technology
> 641 Avenue of the Americas
> New York, NY 10011-2014
> Telephone: 917.661.8160 (Direct)
> Mobile: 917.439.3537
> Fax: 917.661.8161 (Direct)
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: S. Stokowski [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:52 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Masonry Cement or PCL
>
>
> Eric:
>
> Masonry cement is a mixture of Portland cement, mineral filler, and
other
> components. The mineral filler is usually limestone powder. It can
be
> other things, such as diatomaceous earth, ground basalt, ground
feldspar,
> ground quartz, etc. The "other components" that I allude to, if
included,
> are usually hydrated lime, an air-entraining agent, and in some
situations
> an anti-cake agent. Calcined bentonite and calcined kaolin clays
have also
> been used. During the manufacture of masonry cement the Portland
cement and
> the limestone powder are usually mixed and interground in a ball
mill. The
> Portland cement becomes finer, more reactive, and more effective.
Limestone
> is the usual mineral filler because it does not cause excessive wear
on the
> ball mill. The approximate proportions for Type N masonry cement
are 45%
> Portland cement, 45% pulverized limestone, and 10% hydrated lime. In
> manufacturing practice, the proportions are adjusted to a happy
medium
> between workability, ASTM C-270 strength, and RMC (raw materials
cost).
>
> It has not been my experience that the manufacturers will not
divulge the
> composition of their product. However, the sales force usually does
not
> have this information in their memory, although if you read the MSDS
you can
> get a good qualitative idea. The MSDS usually doesn't tell you the
> admixtures, but they really aren't that difficult to identify with
$10 worth
> of labor and $20,000 worth of knowledge. The quantitative
proportions are
> usually only known to the lab and production guys. And to guys like
me who
> reverse engineer and develop these products.
>
> Masonry cement is on the market because it is a profitable product
that
> performs well. It is primarily a bagged product. As such, it has a
major
> advantage over bagged Portland cement/hydrated lime mixtures; it
cakes less.
> That is primarily because of the interground mineral filler.
Masonry cement
> is also less expensive and has a couple of purely technical
advantages. If
> an air entrainer is used, the resulting mortar has enhanced frost
> resistance. If the mineral filler is limestone, the masonry-cement
mortar
> also has more acid resistance because of the reactivity of the
pulverized
> limestone with acids. There are also more nebulous advantages
related to
> masonry cement being a relatively "Green" product.
>
> Steve Stokowski
> Stone Products Consultants
> Building Products Microscopy
> 10 Clark St., Ste. A
> Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145
> 508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)
> http://members.aol.com/crushstone/petro.htm
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>
> ******************************************************
> In a message dated 2/4/03 4:41:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
>
> I am trying to find out why masonry cement (MC) is on the market when
> portland cement / lime (PCL) mortars appear, at least to me, to
perform
> better and more reliably?
>
> As many of us know, MC is typically a mix of portland cement,
pulverized
> limestone and "proprietary admixtures" which manufacturers seldom
(never)
> will divulge. PCL is portland cement and lime, period.
>
> Can anybody shed light on this for me?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Very Good, Cheers El BJ
On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 05:24 AM, J. Bryan Blundell wrote:
> The following email was received this morning.
>
> THE MAN IN THE BALLOON
>
> A man in a hot air balloon realized he was lost. He reduced altitude
> and
> spotted a man below. He descended a bit more and shouted "Excuse me,
> can
> you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I
> don't
> know where I am."
>
> "The man below replied, "You're in a hot air balloon hovering
> approximately
> 30 feet above the ground. You're between 40 and 41 degrees north
> latitude
> and between 59 and 60 degrees west longitude".
>
> "You must be a Contractor", said the balloonist.
>
> "I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"
>
> "Well", answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically
> correct, but I've no idea what to make of your information the fact is
> I'm
> still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help at all. If anything,
> you've
> delayed my trip"
>
> The man below responded, "You must be an Architect"
>
> "I am", replied the balloonist, "but how did you know?"
>
> "Well", said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you're
> going.
> You have risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You
> made a promise, which you've no idea how to keep, and you expect people
> beneath you to solve your problems. The fact is you are in exactly the
> same
> position you were in before we met, but now, somehow, it's my fault."
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Subject: Re: Nick & the Tankless Water Heater
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In a message dated 2/10/2003 4:29:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Ken:
>
> It is 21 hour here but for the sake of Ralph's psychic well being, I will
> make a consultation.
Oooohhhh. He's staying up til 9 PM. That must be a Swiss record.>
> The "house" is the A#1 symbol of the feminine principle and the soul. Sez
> you. The water heater can be seen as the beating "heart" of the house.
> We're talking about a domestic hot water heater here, not a boiler. None
> will be surprised to learn that in my house, we have hot air heat; they may
> be surprised to learn that Mrs. Ralph and the Little Ralphs always claim to
> be cold, however. All things nurtiuring, life giving and creative are
> attributed to the feminine principal. Attributed by who? A bunch of
> girls? Lesbo Dykes from Hell? What do the Penis People have to say about
> this horsepuckey? Viewed in this context, I believe the water heater crisis
> is quite clear. Viewed in a restoration context, I would say even clearer.
> Time to get a new water heater. Nah, I think the hwh is OK. Unless it
> falls through the floor, in which case we could be in deep fecal matter,
> not to mention Debcaves' Chert Chickens.
>
> The white bits in the strainer are less clear. No fecal matter, Sherlock!
> If they were clear, they wouldn't be white, and I couldn't see them in the
> water, now could I? My first impression is of bone shards. You're thinking
> of Pyrate and his chastity belts. Ain't no bone shards in my water lines:
> I have a whole-house water filter just inside the meter. I would need a
> little more input from the patient (I mean Ralph). Don't hold your breath,
> Seamus Micros, Private Dick.
>
> Herr Sigmund Micros
Mr. Hot Air
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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<BR>
It is 21 hour here but for the sake of Ralph's psychic well being, I will<BR=
>
make a consultation.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BA=
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til 9 PM. That must be a Swiss record.<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=
=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PAD=
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The "house" is the A#1 symbol of the feminine principle and the soul. <B>Sez=
you. </B>The water heater can be seen as the beating "heart" of the house.=20=
<B>We're talking about a domestic hot water heater here, not a boiler. =
None will be surprised to learn that in my house, we have hot air heat; the=
y may be surprised to learn that Mrs. Ralph and the Little Ralphs always cla=
im to be cold, however. </B>All things nurtiuring, life giving and creative&=
nbsp; are attributed to the feminine principal. <B>Attributed by who?&=
nbsp; A bunch of girls? Lesbo Dykes from Hell? What do the Penis People have=
to say about this horsepuckey? </B>Viewed in this context, I believe the wa=
ter heater crisis is quite clear. Viewed in a restoration context, I would s=
ay even clearer. Time to get a new water heater. <B>Nah, I think the h=
wh is OK. Unless it falls through the floor, in which case we could be in de=
ep fecal matter, not to mention Debcaves' Chert Chickens.</B><BR>
<BR>
The white bits in the strainer are less clear. <B>No fecal matter, Sherlock!=
If they were clear, they wouldn't be white, and I couldn't see them in the=20=
water, now could I? </B>My first impression is of bone shards. <B>You're thi=
nking of Pyrate and his chastity belts. Ain't no bone shards in <U>my<=
/U> water lines: I have a whole-house water filter just inside the meter. </=
B>I would need a little more input from the patient (I mean Ralph). <B>Don't=
hold your breath, Seamus Micros, Private Dick.</B><BR>
<BR>
Herr Sigmund Micros</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BAC=
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Oh, I just clicked on the blue print. Ruth
At 3:31 PM -0500 2/10/03, Met History wrote:
In a message dated 2/10/03 3:23:02 PM, [log in to unmask] writes:
I went to read it and they wanted me to sign my life away just to read the
article so I just quickly left
No they didn't, just cut and paste the cite - the first week of articles is
free. Sign me, Big Deal, Getting Into The Times, They've Got At Least 15
Sections A Day Now!
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In a message dated 2/10/2003 11:27:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> The Yankees still pounded the fecal matter out of you jerks, didn't they?
>
Four years later. But we got revenge for your tyrannical president. One
bullet to the head. Bulls eye! Too bad Sherman was not close by.
Sic semper tyrannis! The South is avenged!
Steve
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rn Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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, didn't they?<BR>
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Four years later. But we got revenge for your tyrannical president. One bull=
et to the head. Bulls eye! Too bad Sherman was not close by.<BR>
<BR>
Sic semper tyrannis! The South is avenged!<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:17:01 EST
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Wondering about the value of 17th century florins?
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Try <A HREF="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dotcon/historical/bubbles.html">www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dotcon/historical/bubbles.html</A>
It will show you the value of florins in relationship to common purchaseables
c1634-1638.
Four fat oxen 480 florins Eight fat swine 240 florins, etc.
Considerately single spaced by, Yr Obdnt Svnt [sp?], Sharpshooter
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ntline/shows/dotcon/historical/bubbles.html">www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontlin=
e/shows/dotcon/historical/bubbles.html</A>=20
<BR>It will show you the value of florins in relationship to common purchase=
ables c1634-1638.
<BR>Four fat oxen 480 florins Eight fat swine 240 florins, etc.
<BR>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Met History
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 9:17 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Wondering about the value of 17th century florins?
>=20
>=20
> Considerately single spaced by, Yr Obdnt Svnt [sp?], Sharpshooter
But encoded in HTML by the hegemonista AOL, apparently beyond your
control, to swell it unnecessarily into a bloated mass of electrons.
_____________________________________________________
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"A company for carrying on an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to
know what it is."
Sounds like BP. I hear there is a high level of speculation in the currency
of Iraqi Kurds. ][<en
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Sounds like BP. I hear there is a high level of speculation in the currency=20=
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In a message dated 2/11/2003 9:13:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> The Yankees still pounded the fecal matter out of you jerks, didn't they?.>
>
> Four years later. But we got revenge for your tyrannical president. One bullet to the head. Bulls eye! Too bad Sherman
> was not close by.
>
Steve,
Yep, that was a smart move, alright. Tell us again how long it took you geniuses to get back to where you were in 1861?
Ralph
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Subject: Re: Now that you mention it,
real limestone isn't what it used to be...
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Hey man, have you not seen the "X-Files"?
Nick: We stopped watching the X-files as it occurs during dinner. Eating
while watching bodies with alien maggots ouzing out of them did not do much
for the appetite. I had not so much of a problem, but the cook did protest
and I was afraid that we would never again have hot meals. It had not occured
to me that missing the program would have a serious impact on my histo presto
career. ][<en
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Yes. Because.
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I know someone who has played for Nick and the Nice Guys. Any relation?
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Therefore hot water heater MAY not be on verge of catastrophic explosion/long painful death out as originally anticipated.
Nick: I remain confused over the little white specs in the drain. Could you please provide us with a symbolic interpretation of Ralph connecting death with his water heater and dreaming of Mr. M. Stecklow aka the grim reaper? Thanks, ][<en
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I know someone who has played for Nick and the Nice
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the drain. Could you please provide us with a symbolic interpretation of Ralph
connecting death with his water heater and dreaming of Mr. M. Stecklow aka the
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Subject: Re: Now that you mention it,
real limestone isn't what it used to be...
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Y'all gotta read the book I just finished last night by Christopher Buckley, called "Little Green Men". The little footnotes get annoying sometimes, but end up being part of the story. Published in 1999, I picked it up at a used book store Ken and I visited in Syracuse over the holidays. Good for a chuckle, and I won't tell you who the aliens really are - you have to find out for yourself.
- Pam
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Hey man, have you not seen the "X-Files"? Those aliens are all over the mid-
west1
Nick
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Y'all gotta read the book I just finished last night by
Christopher Buckley, called "Little Green Men". The little footnotes get
annoying sometimes, but end up being part of the story. Published in 1999,
I picked it up at a used book store Ken and I visited in Syracuse over the
holidays. Good for a chuckle, and I won't tell you who the aliens really
are - you have to find out for yourself.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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Funny the subject line. Richard's been buying some florins on eBay, and I'd never heard of a florin until he told me about them. Oh no - just toooo many coinkydinkies.
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"A company for carrying on an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is."
Sounds like BP. I hear there is a high level of speculation in the currency of Iraqi Kurds. ][<en
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Funny the subject line. Richard's been buying some
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Subject: This is just what made this country great...
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Didn't the Zapruder family have to sue the government?
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Didn't the Zapruder family have to sue the government?
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Subject: Workshop: Historic Wood Flooring
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HISTORIC WOODEN FLOORING
Construction, Repairs, Finishes, and Maintenance
Certificate Program Elective
February 28, 2003 and March 1, 2003
Wooden flooring presents a myriad of challenges for the preservation
professional. Participants will explore historic methods of wooden flooring
installation and finishes, contemporary products for floor finishes and when
to use them and when not, skills and techniques for finishing and repair, and
the process for arriving at appropriate solutions for repairs and maintenance
depending on the nature of historic fabric, level of foot traffic and costs.
Demonstrations and the opportunity to examine several flooring systems in the
Pierce House for in-class problem solving will complement slide-illustrated
lectures and discussion.
The Pierce House is a rare surviving example of a First Period timber-frame
house in the Boston area. Built in 1683, then expanded in 1712 and 1765, the
Pierce House was lived in by ten successive generations of the Pierce family
until it entered the collection of the SPNEA in 1968.
The house is featured in "The Framed Houses of Massachusetts Bay, 1625-1725"
by Abbott Lowell Cummings.
The house contains a variety of surface materials and finishes representing
three centuries of occupation, giving students a chance to see and study wood
flooring from the 17th century through the 20th century.
Until recently the house has not been open to the general public. This course
will give students a chance to see the house during the investigation and
restoration phase as SPNEA prepares it for a grand opening in the fall of
2003. SPNEA staff will give a special behind-the-scenes tour.
Instructor: Andrew Ladygo, Architectural Conservation Services
Dates: Friday and Saturday, February 28 - March 1, 2003
Time: 8:30 AM - 4:30 PM daily
Location: Pierce House, Dorchester, MA
Cost: HWI or SPNEA member/government staff: $165 Others: $180
Sponsored in cooperation with the Society for the Preservation of New England
Antiquities
The Preservation Education Institute
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February 28, 2003 and March 1, 2003<BR>
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d the process for arriving at appropriate solutions for repairs and maintena=
nce depending on the nature of historic fabric, level of foot traffic and co=
sts. Demonstrations and the opportunity to examine several flooring sy=
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by Abbott Lowell Cummings.<BR>
<BR>
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three centuries of occupation, giving students a chance to see and study woo=
d flooring from the 17th century through the 20th century.<BR>
<BR>
Until recently the house has not been open to the general public. This cours=
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restoration phase as SPNEA prepares it for a grand opening in the fall of 20=
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Time: 8:30 AM - 4:30 PM daily<BR>
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Pam:
Thanks for the tip. I will try to pick it up on Amazon.
Nick
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>From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Nick & the Tankless Water Heater
>Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:15:45 EST
>
>In a message dated 2/10/2003 4:29:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
> > Ken:
> >
> > It is 21 hour here but for the sake of Ralph's psychic well being, I
>will
> > make a consultation.
>Oooohhhh. He's staying up til 9 PM. That must be a Swiss record.>
> > The "house" is the A#1 symbol of the feminine principle and the soul.
>Sez
> > you. The water heater can be seen as the beating "heart" of the house.
> > We're talking about a domestic hot water heater here, not a boiler.
>None
> > will be surprised to learn that in my house, we have hot air heat; they
>may
> > be surprised to learn that Mrs. Ralph and the Little Ralphs always claim
>to
> > be cold, however. All things nurtiuring, life giving and creative are
> > attributed to the feminine principal. Attributed by who? A bunch of
> > girls? Lesbo Dykes from Hell? What do the Penis People have to say about
> > this horsepuckey? Viewed in this context, I believe the water heater
>crisis
> > is quite clear. Viewed in a restoration context, I would say even
>clearer.
> > Time to get a new water heater. Nah, I think the hwh is OK. Unless it
> > falls through the floor, in which case we could be in deep fecal matter,
> > not to mention Debcaves' Chert Chickens.
> >
> > The white bits in the strainer are less clear. No fecal matter,
>Sherlock!
> > If they were clear, they wouldn't be white, and I couldn't see them in
>the
> > water, now could I? My first impression is of bone shards. You're
>thinking
> > of Pyrate and his chastity belts. Ain't no bone shards in my water
>lines:
> > I have a whole-house water filter just inside the meter. I would need a
> > little more input from the patient (I mean Ralph). Don't hold your
>breath,
> > Seamus Micros, Private Dick.
> >
> > Herr Sigmund Micros
>
>Mr. Hot Air
A little resistance is normal, even to be desired. I think a cure is within
sight.
Dick Micron
>
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:38:03 EST
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In a message dated 2/11/2003 2:32:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> A little resistance is normal, even to be desired. I think a cure is within
> sight.
>
Nick,
When does the transference begin?
Ralph and Little Ralph
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:05:23 EST
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A little resistance is normal, even to be desired. I think a cure is within
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Quisk, Nick, while you have his undivided attention tell him to...
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:57:24 EST
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Several preservationeers have inquired of me back channel that they have not
seen any BP mail in a few days... so... this is an histo presto test. Is
anyone out there? ][<en
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:05:18 -0500
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I'm way out there.........................
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> Several preservationeers have inquired of me back channel that they have
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> Is anyone out there? ][<en
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:03:28 EST
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What's the frequency Kenneth? Read you loud and clear. Wall to wall, tree top
tall.
Sign me,
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:04:10 EST
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Pinheads,
I'm here. At the moment.
Ralph
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:07:07 -0600
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I'm out there
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 7:57 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: BP On?
Several preservationeers have inquired of me back channel that they have not
seen any BP mail in a few days... so... this is an histo presto test. Is
anyone out there? ][<en
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ken Follett
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 13, 2003 7:57
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size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Several preservationeers have inquired of me back
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:12:36 EST
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It seems we are all out there...somewhere.
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:14:34 -0500
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Still lurking and feeling good about it...
Witold
----- Original Message -----=20
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I'm out there
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
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To: [log in to unmask]
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Several preservationeers have inquired of me back channel that they =
have not seen any BP mail in a few days... so... this is an histo presto =
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:19:05 -0500
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What about Estelle?
Sign me, Not Getting Any Messages, Either
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:21:13 -0500
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Follett
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:57 AM
>=20
>=20
> Is anyone out there? ][<en=20
So judging from the replies so far, in a stunning revelation we find out
that apparently BP is not central to some universes and that we have all
been coterminously busy somewhere else.
Shocking.
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In a message dated 2/13/2003 9:13:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> It seems we are all out there...somewhere.
Well, as long as nobody has crossed over, I guess it's OK.
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Several preservationeers have inquired of me back channel that they have
not seen any BP mail in a few days... so... this is an histo presto
test. Is anyone out there? ][<en
How can we tell with all these bees in our heads?
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have inquired of me back channel that they have not seen any BP mail in =
a few
days... so... this is an histo presto test. Is anyone out there? <span
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I got this one now, thanks.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ken Follett=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:57 AM
Subject: BP On?
Several preservationeers have inquired of me back channel that they =
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<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A> =
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> Is anyone out there?
>
>
(Erp)
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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I like the way you answered that question.
- Pam
----- Original Message -----
From: Score, Robert
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Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: BP On?
I'm out there
Bob
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From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 7:57 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: BP On?
Several preservationeers have inquired of me back channel that they have not seen any BP mail in a few days... so... this is an histo presto test. Is anyone out there? ][<en
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I like the way you answered that question.</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask]
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<DIV><SPAN class=840120714-13022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'm
out there</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840120714-13022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ken Follett
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 13, 2003 7:57
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BP On?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0
face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Several preservationeers have inquired
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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Just busy Boss.
-jc
On Thursday, February 13, 2003, at 07:57 AM, Ken Follett wrote:
> Several preservationeers have inquired of me back channel that they
> have not seen any BP mail in a few days... so... this is an histo
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Just busy Boss.
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10-15 Message Delivered
Thanks,
Eric Hammarberg
Director of Preservation
Associate
LZA Technology
641 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10011-2014
Telephone: 917.661.8160 (Direct)
Mobile: 917.439.3537
Fax: 917.661.8161 (Direct)
email: [log in to unmask]
-----Original Message-----
From: John Callan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:33 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: BP On?
Just busy Boss.
-jc
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seen any BP mail in a few days... so... this is an histo presto test. Is
anyone out there? ][<en
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:57:20 -0500
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Ken,
The message is:=20
It is on.
WK
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Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:33 AM
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Just busy Boss.
-jc
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test. Is anyone out there? ][<en
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The message is: </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>It is on.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>WK</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] =
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Callan</A> </DIV>
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2003 10:33=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: BP On?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Just busy Boss.<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR>On Thursday, February =
13,=20
2003, at 07:57 AM, Ken Follett wrote:<BR><BR>
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PB? What's PB?
D.S. Lexia
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: BP closing announcement
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Due to inadequate volume of one-liners from Ralph, our server-sponsor has
decided to end hosting BP; this will be the last posting you receive from BP.
We sincerely regret the inconvenience.
Respectfully, Vanilla Ice, List Moderator
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Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:Several preservationeers have inquired of me back channel that they have not seen any BP mail in a few days... so... this is an histo presto test. Is anyone out there? ][<en
Martin Skrelunas
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New Canaan, Ct 06840
ph.:203.966.4483 / fax:203.972.1767
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Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day
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<P> <B><I>Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Several preservationeers have inquired of me back channel that they have not seen any BP mail in a few days... so... this is an histo presto test. Is anyone out there? ][<en</FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><BR><BR>Martin Skrelunas<br>[log in to unmask]<br>P.O. Box 184<br>New Canaan, Ct 06840<br>ph.:203.966.4483 / fax:203.972.1767<p><br><hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>
<a href="http://rd.yahoo.com/O=1/I=brandr/vday03/text/flow/*http://shopping.yahoo.com
/shop?d=browse&id=20146735">Yahoo! Shopping</a> - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day
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Ken, Still down here. I)/-\
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> Ken, Still down here. I)/-\
>
david,
do you mean you're still down (under) here? or am I confused again?
ralph
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:09:27 -0800
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Organization: Heritage Interpretation Services
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Flooring
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Subject: Workshop: Historic Wood Flooring
Cost: HWI or SPNEA member/government staff: $165 Others: $180
Hey,
Save some money and come to BC where I will conduct a hands-on workshop =
in Historic Wooden Flooring for $6 Cdn ($10 US). I am currently =
dismantling the four layers of a general store floor started in 1877, =
with the purpose of documenting the uses of the room through the changes =
of occupancy before replacing decayed joists. So far, along with =
determining the original furniture layout, have discovered the =
building's original wooden door handle and wooden door latch on the =
ground under the first wood floor layer, suggesting that the place began =
life as a dirt floored room. Also discovered beautiful termite cities, =
a mint condition cut nail and a little metal shirt button with only =
three holes. My sewing friend wants to know how they stitched that =
one. The workshop will feature far too much about varieties of insect =
damage, including the significant observation by my Forest Service bug =
consultant that the great amount of infestation just below the serving =
side of original bar counter was likely due to the sugars left from =
spilled brew at that location. It seems that wood loving bugs are =
sugar freaks too.
cp fat and happy in old bc
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Wood=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Save some money and come to BC where I =
will conduct=20
a hands-on workshop in Historic Wooden Flooring for $6 Cdn ($10=20
US). I am currently dismantling the =
four layers=20
of a general store floor started in 1877, with the purpose of =
documenting=20
the uses of the room through the changes of occupancy before replacing =
decayed=20
joists. So far, along with determining the original =
furniture=20
layout, have discovered the building's original wooden door handle =
and=20
wooden door latch on the ground under the first wood floor layer,=20
suggesting that the place began life as a dirt floored=20
room. Also discovered beautiful termite cities, a mint =
condition cut=20
nail and a little metal shirt button with only three holes. =
My=20
sewing friend wants to know how they stitched that =
one. The=20
workshop will feature far too much about varieties of insect damage, =
including=20
the significant observation by my Forest Service bug consultant that the =
great=20
amount of infestation just below the serving side of original bar =
counter=20
was likely due to the sugars left from spilled brew at that=20
location. It seems that wood loving bugs are sugar =
freaks=20
too.</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:48:10 -0800
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Subject: BP On?
Oh, Oh,
My apologies to all.
I suspect I am to blame for the system bogging down since, according to =
the little bold number beside the BP-Folder in my Outlook Express Inbox, =
I have 2149 messages unread in that folder. Oh dear, it is so hard to =
keep up sometimes, and I suppose the system just got a gut ache until =
more attention was paid to it. ( of course this list only goes back to =
1999 when the computer was new, and the groupings of unreads are a =
visual map of significant life moments like the deaths of family members =
and the births of new projects and the dates of income tax deadlines ).
Someone asked me why I was saving all these old messages and not =
clearing them out to create disk space - my answer =3D I am saving =
them for my retirement so I will have something to make me grin and =
laugh in my old age.
It will be nice to not meet any of you face to face so you can remain =
the imaginary characters of the inner e-mind. What a delightful world =
you make it.
cp busily lonely in bc
( and a firm believer in the collective unconscious )
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On?</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Oh, Oh,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My apologies to all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I suspect I am to blame for the system =
bogging down=20
since, according to the little bold number beside the BP-Folder in =
my=20
Outlook Express Inbox, I have 2149 messages unread in that=20
folder. Oh dear, it is so hard to keep up sometimes, =
and I=20
suppose the system just got a gut ache until more attention was paid to=20
it. ( of course this list only goes back to 1999 when =
the=20
computer was new, and the groupings of unreads are a =
visual map of=20
significant life moments like the deaths of family members and the =
births of new=20
projects and the dates of income tax deadlines ).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Someone asked me why I was saving all =
these old=20
messages and not clearing them out to create disk space =
- =20
my answer =3D I am saving them for my retirement so I =
will have=20
something to make me grin and laugh in my old age.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It will be nice to not meet any of you =
face to face=20
so you can remain the imaginary characters of the inner =
e-mind. What=20
a delightful world you make it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>cp busily lonely in bc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>( and a firm believer in the =
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> It will be nice to not meet any of you face to face so you can remain the
> imaginary characters of the inner e-mind.
Ralph and I are tall, good-looking, wear tailored pin-stripe suits. I look
like Clark Gable; Ralph looks like Gary Cooper. No need to meet.
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You sure your name isn't Liz Dexia?
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PB? What's PB?
D.S. Lexia
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In a message dated 2/14/2003 8:08:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Ralph and I are tall, good-looking, wear tailored pin-stripe suits. I look like Clark Gable; Ralph looks like Gary
> Cooper. No need to meet.
As usual, Sharpshooter has it all wrong. He's cleanshaven and looks like Gary Cooper, and I have a moustache (but also a beard, and a carnation in my lapel) and look like Clark Gable. With a wooden leg.
Ralph
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Still here, lurking.
It has been very busy, despite President Bush's effort to destroy the
American economy. Also, I moved back to Cedar Street (across the street from
the World Trade Center site) last month, which has been time and psyche
consuming.
I have been working on interesting projects, including a Historic Structure
Report on Federal Hall. On one project the contractor has proposed installing
the terra cotta now. For those southerners out there, NYC is having a very
cold winter. The pieces are quite large and heavy. To keep everything below
freezing he plans to warm each piece in a hot bath first. Much as I love a
hot bath, it sounded insane and dangerous to me and I disapproved. The issue
is still unresolved.
Missy
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<BR>
It has been very busy, despite President Bush's effort to destroy the Americ=
an economy. Also, I moved back to Cedar Street (across the street from the W=
orld Trade Center site) last month, which has been time and psyche consuming=
.<BR>
<BR>
I have been working on interesting projects, including a Historic Structure=20=
Report on Federal Hall. On one project the contractor has proposed installin=
g the terra cotta now. For those southerners out there, NYC is having=20=
a very cold winter. The pieces are quite large and heavy. To keep everything=
below freezing he plans to warm each piece in a hot bath first. Much=20=
as I love a hot bath, it sounded insane and dangerous to me and I disapprove=
d. The issue is still unresolved.<BR>
<BR>
Missy<BR>
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__________________________________<BR>
Mary Dierickx<BR>
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On the internet we are all beautiful. Even if covered with a fine
green patina.
On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 08:14 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/14/2003 8:08:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>> Ralph and I are tall, good-looking, wear tailored pin-stripe suits. I
>> look like Clark Gable; Ralph looks like Gary
>> Cooper. No need to meet.
>
> As usual, Sharpshooter has it all wrong. He's cleanshaven and looks
> like Gary Cooper, and I have a moustache (but also a beard, and a
> carnation in my lapel) and look like Clark Gable. With a wooden leg.
>
> Ralph
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:58:02 -0600
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Been reading a lot of thoughts about HSR's and CLR's. Came across this
and thought I'd ask, did it happen?
"If in 1993 the program is successful in enrolling a class of 30, and
the preservation skills training is continued for 10 years, the
national park system will have at least one certified graduate for
every park containing a historic structure by the year 2003."
(I wonder if the author will remember writing this.)
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In a message dated 2/14/2003 9:31:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> It has been very busy, despite President Bush's effort to destroy the
> American economy.
I guess what we need then is eight more years of Bill Clinton? If anyone can
Slick Willie can. Wasn't the economy falling when Bush took office? Surely
not.
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I'm digesting all of the witticisms, and just checking in to say "yes".=20
Uh, oh! Several fire trucks went screaming by, which should at least
mean they are not heading to my house across the street from the one
that burned a couple weeks ago. They say that over 90% of fire
department responses are for medical emergencies, not fires. The fire
department has its problems, including lack of money, lack of
leader/chief, and apparently too few fires to justify full time staff.
Ironic, I guess.
Best of Valentine's day to you all.=20
QUINN EVANS | ARCHITECTS
Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA
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Ann Arbor, MI 48104
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:25:12 -0500
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out feeding the horses, splitting the wood, working ect, but here all the
same ctb
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Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 10:51 AM
Subject: BP on!
> I'm digesting all of the witticisms, and just checking in to say "yes".
>
> Uh, oh! Several fire trucks went screaming by, which should at least
> mean they are not heading to my house across the street from the one
> that burned a couple weeks ago. They say that over 90% of fire
> department responses are for medical emergencies, not fires. The fire
> department has its problems, including lack of money, lack of
> leader/chief, and apparently too few fires to justify full time staff.
> Ironic, I guess.
>
> Best of Valentine's day to you all.
>
>
> QUINN EVANS | ARCHITECTS
>
> Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA
>
> 219 1/2 N. Main Street
> Ann Arbor, MI 48104
> [log in to unmask]
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> v 734.663.5888
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:26:21 -0500
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on 2/13/03 8:57 AM, Ken Follett at [log in to unmask] wrote:
Several preservationeers have inquired of me back channel that they have not
seen any BP mail in a few days... so... this is an histo presto test. Is
anyone out there? ][<en
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:40:16 -0800
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> at least one certified graduate for
> every park containing a historic structure by the year 2003."
>
Sounds like a plan to put everyone out of work.
Up here the definition of a Consultant is anyone from more than 25 miles
away who carries a case of slides.
cp, "certifiable" in bc
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:06:56 -0500
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Down here they're people from more than 25 miles away with a R/W CD that has
.ppf files on it and carrying a laptop and projector.
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Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:40 PM
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Subject: Re: Decade old "IF"
> at least one certified graduate for
> every park containing a historic structure by the year 2003."
>
Sounds like a plan to put everyone out of work.
Up here the definition of a Consultant is anyone from more than 25 miles
away who carries a case of slides.
cp, "certifiable" in bc
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:22:49 -0500
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>From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Nick & the Tankless Water Heater
>Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:38:03 EST
>
>In a message dated 2/11/2003 2:32:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
> > A little resistance is normal, even to be desired. I think a cure is
>within
> > sight.
> >
>Nick,
>
>When does the transference begin?
>
>Ralph and Little Ralph
It started last week. That will be $100 x 96 hours, please.
Nick
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From: john <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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Publish in the PTNews.
The next issue Vol. 2, # 1 will be published in April 2003. The=20
deadline for submission is March 1st 2003.
We are looking for the following types of submissions PTN members:=20
moving to new responsibilities, members receiving awards, letters,=20
articles, workshop dates, exhibits related to trades and building=20
technology, conferences and tours related to preservation trades,=20
training related to preservation trades, employment opportunities,=20
position available, positions sought, and volunteer opportunities.
I hope BP is on and some of you can send me material of interest.
If you would like to have this publication hand carried to your=20
doorstep join PTN and get on the member mailing list. Visit=20
www.ptn.org for membership information.
On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 08:08 AM, Met History wrote:
> In a message dated 2/14/03 12:55:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> It will be nice to not meet any of you face to face so you can remain=20=
> the imaginary characters of the inner e-mind.
>
>
>
> Ralph and I are tall, good-looking, wear tailored pin-stripe suits. I=20=
> look like Clark Gable; Ralph looks like Gary Cooper.=A0 No need to > =
meet.=A0
John N. Fugelso, Editor
Preservation Trades News Letter "PTNEWS"
530 State Street
Lancaster, PA 17601
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<center><bold><italic><fontfamily><param>Arial</param>Publish in the
PTNews.
</fontfamily></italic><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>The
next issue Vol. 2, # 1 will be published in April 2003. The deadline
for submission is March 1st 2003.
</smaller></fontfamily></bold></center>We are looking for the
following types of submissions PTN members: moving to new
responsibilities, members receiving
awards<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>, letters, articles, workshop
dates, </fontfamily>exhibits related to trades and building
technology, conferences and tours related to preservation trades,
training related to preservation trades, employment opportunities,
position available, positions sought, and volunteer opportunities.
I hope BP is on and some of you can send me material of interest. =20
If you would like to have this publication hand carried to your
doorstep join PTN and get on the member mailing list. Visit
www.ptn.org for membership information.
On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 08:08 AM, Met History wrote:
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It will be nice to not meet any of you face to face so you can remain
the imaginary characters of the inner e-mind.
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and I are tall, good-looking, wear tailored pin-stripe suits. I look
like Clark Gable; Ralph looks like Gary Cooper.=A0 No need to meet.=A0
</smaller></color></fontfamily></excerpt>John N. Fugelso, Editor
Preservation Trades News Letter "PTNEWS"
530 State Street
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:14:27 EST
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In a message dated 2/14/2003 1:23:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> It started last week. That will be $100 x 96 hours, please.
>
> Nick
>
Nick,
Is that the total contract price, for all work through completion; or just an
invoice for services provided to date? [There's a right answer to this
question.] My checkbook wants to know. I also will require notarized 1)
affidavit of final release of liens and 2) notarized statement to verify
transfer of tranference.
I'm beginning to think you're kinda cute, so maybe it IS working.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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be $100 x 96 hours, please.<BR>
<BR>
Nick<BR>
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Nick,<BR>
<BR>
Is that the total contract price, for all work through completion; or just a=
n invoice for services provided to date? [There's a right answer to this que=
stion.] My checkbook wants to know. I also will require notarize=
d 1) affidavit of final release of liens and 2) notarized statement to verif=
y transfer of tranference. <BR>
<BR>
I'm beginning to think you're kinda cute, so maybe it IS working. <BR>
<BR>
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Sorry Ralph, this is DAVID working down here in Florida.
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On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 06:20 PM, David Via wrote:
> Sorry Ralph, this is DAVID working down here in Florida.
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 21:34:03 EST
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In a message dated 2/14/2003 9:20:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Sorry Ralph, this is DAVID working down here in Florida.
>
David,
In that case, I forgive you. The other david must be busy with his dog. In
the meantime, would you send up a couple of buckets of steam? We're freezing
up here.
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ing down here in Florida.<BR>
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David,<BR>
<BR>
In that case, I forgive you. The other david must be busy with his dog=
. In the meantime, would you send up a couple of buckets of steam? We'=
re freezing up here.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:26:48 -0500
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:37:09 EST
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Subject: Irack response: (Re: file attachments on B-P)
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I think we should block them on B-P. Dan, Ken .... Estelle?
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:10:54 -0500
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From: Nicholas Micros <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Now that you mention it,
real limestone isn't what it used to be...
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>
>Hey man, have you not seen the "X-Files"?
>
>Nick: We stopped watching the X-files as it occurs during dinner. Eating
>while watching bodies with alien maggots ouzing out of them did not do much
>for the appetite. I had not so much of a problem, but the cook did protest
>and I was afraid that we would never again have hot meals. It had not
>occured
>to me that missing the program would have a serious impact on my histo
>presto
>career. ][<en
When it comes to preservation, never underestimate the value of seemingly
arcane knowledge
Nick and the Nice Guys
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 08:36:21 -0600
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A preservationeer who's work and skills I respect is planning to move
to Florida. If you have any employment suggestions that within or
related to our noble profession, please let me know, back channel.
-jc
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:45:25 -0500
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In a message dated 2/15/2003 9:10:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> When it comes to preservation, never underestimate the
> value of seemingly arcane knowledge
>
> Nick and the Nice Guys
Nick,
An excellent point. If you part your hair just right, maybe no one will notice.
Ralph and the 7th Graders
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:48:39 -0500
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In a message dated 2/15/2003 9:36:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> A preservationeer who's work and skills I respect is planning to move to Florida. If you have any employment suggestions that within or related to our noble profession, please let me know, back channel.
John,
As I understand it, the Search for the Early Bird Special is a booming business down there. No doubt the locals could use some help from a skilled field researcher.
Ralph
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:52:05 EST
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HERE
signed Rarely Speaks
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 08:54:08 -0600
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Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by polls? Not that
this president has or is likely to ever pursue paths that I would
consider good leadership, but I have been deeply swayed by Colin Powell.
Before all you peaceniks jump on me, I am deeply ashamed to admit that
I have never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve problems.
My life experience provides more than ample proof that violence solve
problems real good. Sometimes with less humiliation and long term
damage than words.
But I am suitably embarrassed. Please don't hurt me.
-jc
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> Is it our duty?
>
> <Fwd; [Fwd; The White House]>
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:10:09 EST
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Subject: Mousketioneers in Florida ?
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In a message dated 2/15/03 9:35:40 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> If you have any employment suggestions that within or related to our noble
> profession, please let me know,
Playing Chip, or Dale, at the Disney World restaurants. The giant, furry
costumes hot in the summer, though.
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:17:57 EST
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In a message dated 2/15/03 9:53:21 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Before all you peaceniks jump on me,
Don't flatter yourself. Signed, Don't Blame Me I Voted For Goldwater
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Don't flatter yourself. Signed, Don't Blame Me I Voted For=
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 10:35:05 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response
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In a message dated 2/15/2003 9:53:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by polls? No. By what is
> right. Not that this president has or is likely to ever pursue paths that I
> would
> consider good leadership I quite agree, but I have been deeply swayed by
> Colin Powell. I think he's a good guy, too.
>
> Before all you peaceniks Include me out of that list jump on me, I am
> deeply ashamed to admit that I have never been one to claim that violence
> doesn't solve problems. This is nothing to be ashamed of. Sometimes it
> solves them, and sometimes it doesn't, which the lily-livered commie
> weasels (and most female personages, in my experience) refuse to recognize.
> As my father used to say that they said in the Army, "It depends upon the
> situation and the terrain." My life experience provides more than ample
> proof that violence solve problems real good. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
> Sometimes with less humiliation and long term damage than words. There's
ANOTHER thing that female personages don't > always recognize.
>
> But I am suitably embarrassed. Fuhgeddaboudit. Please don't hurt me. Stop
> whining, and go kick some (deserving) ass. Valentine's Day is over, and
> business is business.
No More Mr. Sensitive
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Do you want the President to de=
cide War or Peace by polls? <B>No. By what is right.</B> Not that this=
president has or is likely to ever pursue paths that I would<BR>
consider good leadership <B>I quite agree</B>, but I have been deeply swayed=
by Colin Powell. <B>I think he's a good guy, too.</B><BR>
<BR>
Before all you peaceniks <B>Include me out of that list</B> jump on me, I am=
deeply ashamed to admit that I have never been one to claim that violence d=
oesn't solve problems. <B>This is nothing to be ashamed of. Some=
times it solves them, and sometimes it doesn't, which the lily-livered commi=
e weasels (and most female personages, in my experience) refuse to recognize=
. As my father used to say that they said in the Army, "It depends upo=
n the situation and the terrain." </B>My life experience provides more than=20=
ample proof that violence solve problems real good. <B>Sometimes yes, someti=
mes no. </B> Sometimes with less humiliation and long term </BLOCKQUOTE=
>damage than words. <B>There's ANOTHER thing that female personages do=
n't <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">always recognize.</B><BR>
<BR>
But I am suitably embarrassed. <B>Fuhgeddaboudit.</B> Please don't hur=
t me. <B>Stop whining, and go kick some (deserving) ass. Valentine's D=
ay is over, and business is business.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#00=
0000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>No More Mr. Sensitive</B>=
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:17:03 -0600
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Sometimes the only thing worse than voting for the guy who lost is=20
voting for the guy who won. Think it'll get better when the guy is a=20
gal?
-jc
On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 09:17 AM, Met History wrote:
> In a message dated 2/15/03 9:53:21 AM, [log in to unmask] =
writes:
>
> Before all you peaceniks jump on me,
>
>
>
> Don't flatter yourself.=A0=A0 Signed,=A0 Don't Blame Me I Voted For =
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Sometimes the only thing worse than voting for the guy who lost is
voting for the guy who won. Think it'll get better when the guy is a
gal?
-jc
On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 09:17 AM, Met History wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param><smaller>In a
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</smaller></fontfamily>Before all you peaceniks jump on me,
<fontfamily><param>Times New =
Roman</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>Don't
flatter yourself.=A0=A0 Signed,=A0 Don't Blame Me I Voted For =
Goldwater</smaller></color></fontfamily></excerpt>=
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:20:44 EST
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In a message dated 2/15/2003 3:16:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Sometimes the only thing worse than voting for the guy who lost is
> voting for the guy who won. Think it'll get better when the guy is a
> gal?
>
John,
How could you even question that? Just proves you are a pro-violence sex
pig.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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than voting for the guy who lost is <BR>
voting for the guy who won. Think it'll get better when the guy is a <=
BR>
gal?<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
How could you even question that? Just proves you are a pro-violence s=
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<BR>
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:52:26 -0500
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Message text written by cp in bc
>Up here the definition of a Consultant is anyone from more than 25 miles=
away who carries a case of slides.
<
I heard it was a guy who knows a hundred different ways to make love, but=
doesn't know any actual women. =
Sign me, adding consult to conjury
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:59:29 -0600
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I'm a sex pig?! What the hell is that? It sounds good and bad at the=20=
same time!
Pro violence?! You're an insensitive deaf pig! I'm not pro=20
violence...I'm just against getting beaten up or abused.
How can I question that? 'Cause I've met some really mean women...not=20=
many, but just enough to be cautious.
What flew up your donkey?
And stop calling me names! (I'm gonna go write in my journal.)
-jc
On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 03:20 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/15/2003 3:16:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Sometimes the only thing worse than voting for the guy who lost is
> voting for the guy who won.=A0 Think it'll get better when the guy is =
a
> gal?
>
>
> John,
>
> How could you even question that?=A0 Just proves you are a =
pro-violence=20
> sex pig.
>
> Ralph=
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I'm a sex pig?! What the hell is that? It sounds good and bad at the
same time!
Pro violence?! You're an insensitive deaf pig! I'm not pro
violence...I'm just against getting beaten up or abused. =20
How can I question that? 'Cause I've met some really mean women...not
many, but just enough to be cautious.
What flew up your donkey?
And stop calling me names! (I'm gonna go write in my journal.)
-jc
On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 03:20 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/15/2003 3:16:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>Sometimes the only thing worse than voting for
the guy who lost is
voting for the guy who won.=A0 Think it'll get better when the guy is a
gal?
John,
How could you even question that?=A0 Just proves you are a pro-violence
sex pig.
Ralph</excerpt>=
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:00:38 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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I know a woman! AND I've got slides!
-jc
On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 03:52 PM, Donald B. White wrote:
> Message text written by cp in bc
>
>> Up here the definition of a Consultant is anyone from more than 25
>> miles
> away who carries a case of slides.
> <
>
> I heard it was a guy who knows a hundred different ways to make love,
> but
> doesn't know any actual women.
>
> Sign me, adding consult to conjury
>
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:22:53 EST
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In a message dated 2/15/2003 4:53:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I heard it was a guy who knows a hundred different ways to make love, but
> doesn't know any actual women.
>
I used to resemble that remark. Now I know some women, but it doesn't
matter.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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a hundred different ways to make love, but<BR>
doesn't know any actual women. <BR>
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<BR>
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:28:15 EST
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In a message dated 2/15/2003 4:59:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> You're an insensitive deaf pig! I'm not pro
> violence...I'm just against getting beaten up or abused.
>
IF YOU THINBK I"M SUCH A DEAF PIG (as opposed to a Def Leppard or a Pearl
Jam, or some other damn thing), WHY DON"T YOU SPEAK UP? OR ARE YOU TRYING TO
OPPRESS ME BY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MY DISABILITY, I MEAN HANDICAP, I MEAN
AUDITORY CONDITION?
It's not enough to be against YOUR getting beaten up or abused, even if it is
by women, because you are one of the oppressors in your capacity as a Penis
Person. You have to be against THEM getting beaten up, or threatened, spoken
to in an unkind tone.
OK, bye. Young Miss Ralph is shrieking for a ride, and I can hear that.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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I'm not pro <BR>
violence...I'm just against getting beaten up or abused.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
IF YOU THINBK I"M SUCH A DEAF PIG (as opposed to a Def Leppard or a Pearl Ja=
m, or some other damn thing), WHY DON"T YOU SPEAK UP? OR ARE YOU TRYING TO O=
PPRESS ME BY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MY DISABILITY, I MEAN HANDICAP, I MEAN AUDI=
TORY CONDITION? <BR>
<BR>
It's not enough to be against YOUR getting beaten up or abused, even if it i=
s by women, because you are one of the oppressors in your capacity as a Peni=
s Person. You have to be against THEM getting beaten up, or threatened=
, spoken to in an unkind tone.<BR>
<BR>
OK, bye. Young Miss Ralph is shrieking for a ride, and I can hear that=
.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: Decade old "IF
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>Came across this and thought I'd ask, did it happen?
John,
The answer to that is an unequivocal well yes, kinda, sort of. . . In
1993, the National Park Service implemented the Preservation and Skills
Training (PAST) program for NPS maintenance employees at the WG/3-7 levels.
It was intended to supplement the existing 3-year preservation training
program at the Historic Preservation Training Center in Frederick, MD, (the
former WPTC). The NPS 2001-2002 training catalog describes the program as
follows:
"During this two-year program participants receive basic instruction in
carpentry, masonry, and/or painting and will develop preservation skills in
one trade to the apprentice or intermediate level. Group training sessions
will be held out of the park at approximately six-month intervals. During
the remaining months, a mentor will work in the trainee’s park to provide
hands on instruction on repairing and maintaining park historic structures.
Participants complete a total of 640 hours of training during the two-year
period."
The PAST program was modeled, in part, on a regional preservation skills
training program that the NPS Northeast Region developed and managed from
about 1977-1995, based on mentoring, project work, and independent studies
by program participants. A number of graduates of the NE Region program
are still around years later, having progressed very successfully in their
careers to being Chiefs of Maintenance and park-based Preservation
Specialists. The NE Region program was shut down, due to a Washington
Office determination that there could only be one preservation skills
training program, which had to be managed on a servicewide basis. (A
proposal to revive the NE Region preservation skills trainin program in
2001 was dismissed by regional office staff on the basis that "maintenance
workers don't need preservation training").
I was one of the15 mentors for the first PAST group, and I think it was
very successful in one respect. Most of the people that came into the
program were incredibly eager and receptive to the idea of learning new
skills. They were smart, and worked really hard, and picked up really fast
on everything from preservation philosophy to mixing the right repointing
mortar. They got a taste of the "why" and "how" of doing preservation
work, went back to their parks, and in most instances, ended up right back
where they were -- mowing, painting, and cleaning campgrounds. There is
probably no other outcome that could be anticipated given NPS funding
levels, but it's also a classic case of my contention that it's much easier
to train people than bureaucracies.
The NPS manages more that 24,000 historic structures . . . there's plenty
of work out there.
Lisa
> [Original Message]
> From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 2/14/2003 9:58:02 AM
> Subject: Decade old "IF
>
> Been reading a lot of thoughts about HSR's and CLR's. Came across this
> and thought I'd ask, did it happen?
>
> "If in 1993 the program is successful in enrolling a class of 30, and
> the preservation skills training is continued for 10 years, the
> national park system will have at least one certified graduate for
> every park containing a historic structure by the year 2003."
>
> (I wonder if the author will remember writing this.)
>
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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 07:46:53 -0600
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I'm not the sensitive one here Ralph! And I'm really sorry about your=20=
condition(s). And I ain't oppressin' no one, neither. And my singular=20=
ocular pocket serpent has been been appropriately proprietarily=20
restrained for decades. And who assigned the task of setting or=20
explaining the minimum requirements for non oppressor status? Isn't it=20=
enough that we send you our dues and have no idea what you do with them?
Okay, my vision often is limited to assuring that I am not beaten up. =20=
But if I am beaten up, I cannot and/or will not be of much use to=20
anyone who needs assistance to not be beaten up. On the other hand, if=20=
I am beaten up, the easiest thing to do to assure survival is to be=20
helpful to the beater, (given that I am a self-centered SOB.) =20
Therefore, it is in the interest of the oppressed, penis or no, that I=20=
not be beaten up, nor be a suitable candidate to be beaten up. So put=20=
your rubber hose away!
Huh? Yeah. And it doesn't matter if the beating comes in words,=20
fists, guns, bombs, sanctions, intimidation, threats, coersive=20
contracts, debate, yelling, screaming, crying, or whatever. When one=20
resists being forced to submit to the will of another, and receives the=20=
consequences...and they are unpleasant...
Before I take this seriously, I'm gonna send it and get some work done.=20=
So I don't get beaten.
-jc
On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 04:28 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/15/2003 4:59:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> You're an insensitive deaf pig!=A0 I'm not pro
> violence...I'm just against getting beaten up or abused.
>
>
>
> IF YOU THINBK I"M SUCH A DEAF PIG (as opposed to a Def Leppard or a=20
> Pearl Jam, or some other damn thing), WHY DON"T YOU SPEAK UP? OR ARE=20=
> YOU TRYING TO OPPRESS ME BY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MY DISABILITY, I MEAN=20=
> HANDICAP, I MEAN AUDITORY CONDITION?=A0
>
> It's not enough to be against YOUR getting beaten up or abused, even=20=
> if it is by women, because you are one of the oppressors in your=20
> capacity as a Penis Person.=A0 You have to be against THEM getting=20
> beaten up, or threatened, spoken to in an unkind tone.
>
> OK, bye.=A0 Young Miss Ralph is shrieking for a ride, and I can hear=20=
> that.
>
> Ralph=
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I'm not the sensitive one here Ralph! And I'm really sorry about your
condition(s). And I ain't oppressin' no one, neither. And my
singular ocular pocket serpent has been been appropriately
proprietarily restrained for decades. And who assigned the task of
setting or explaining the minimum requirements for non oppressor
status? Isn't it enough that we send you our dues and have no idea
what you do with them?
Okay, my vision often is limited to assuring that I am not beaten up.=20
But if I am beaten up, I cannot and/or will not be of much use to
anyone who needs assistance to not be beaten up. On the other hand,
if I am beaten up, the easiest thing to do to assure survival is to be
helpful to the beater, (given that I am a self-centered SOB.)=20
Therefore, it is in the interest of the oppressed, penis or no, that I
not be beaten up, nor be a suitable candidate to be beaten up. So put
your rubber hose away!
Huh? Yeah. And it doesn't matter if the beating comes in words,
fists, guns, bombs, sanctions, intimidation, threats, coersive
contracts, debate, yelling, screaming, crying, or whatever. When one
resists being forced to submit to the will of another, and receives
the consequences...and they are unpleasant...
Before I take this seriously, I'm gonna send it and get some work
done. So I don't get beaten.
-jc
On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 04:28 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/15/2003 4:59:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>You're an insensitive deaf pig!=A0 I'm not pro
violence...I'm just against getting beaten up or abused.
IF YOU THINBK I"M SUCH A DEAF PIG (as opposed to a Def Leppard or a
Pearl Jam, or some other damn thing), WHY DON"T YOU SPEAK UP? OR ARE
YOU TRYING TO OPPRESS ME BY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MY DISABILITY, I MEAN
HANDICAP, I MEAN AUDITORY CONDITION?=A0
It's not enough to be against YOUR getting beaten up or abused, even
if it is by women, because you are one of the oppressors in your
capacity as a Penis Person.=A0 You have to be against THEM getting
beaten up, or threatened, spoken to in an unkind tone.
OK, bye.=A0 Young Miss Ralph is shrieking for a ride, and I can hear
that.
Ralph</excerpt>=
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In a message dated 2/16/2003 8:46:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I'm not the sensitive one here Ralph! This reminds me of the 1st grade
> contest to see who could hit softer: the 1st guy barely taps the 2nd, and
> the 2nd pounds the poop out of the 1st and says "I Lost!." And I'm really
> sorry about your condition(s). What? Speak up! And I ain't oppressin' no
> one, neither. Just by being a male, you're oppressing half the world. And
> my singular
> ocular pocket serpent has been been appropriately proprietarily
> restrained for decades. Whose hasn't (except those who haven't had them
> that long)? And who assigned the task of setting or explaining the minimum
> requirements for non oppressor status? Somebody has to, and if I don't do
> it, the girls will, and their standards will be far harder to meet than
> mine, don't you think? Isn't it enough that we send you our dues and have
> no idea what you do with them? You might think that, and I see by my
> ledgers that you are among those who haven't yet coughed up the required
> amount. Nevertheless, I have continued to provide services despite certain
> members' failure to remit.
>
> Okay, my vision often is limited to assuring that I am not beaten up. I
> certainly am not going to fault you for that; I spend my whole life trying
> to avoid screwing up and getting yelled at, which prevents me from doing,
> not just anything wrong, but anything at all. I used to work with a guy
> who would come in in the morning and say "Do something, even if it's
> wrong," I could never understand that. But if I am beaten up, I cannot
> and/or will not be of much use to anyone who needs assistance to not be
> beaten up. Sounds reasonable. On the other hand, if I am beaten up, the
> easiest thing to do to assure survival is to be helpful to the beater,
> (given that I am a self-centered SOB.) Also sounds reasonable. Therefore,
> it is in the interest of the oppressed, penis or no, that I
> not be beaten up, nor be a suitable candidate to be beaten up. Just don't
> make any mistakes, ever, and you'll be fine. What's the problem? So put
> your rubber hose away! It's rubber? THAT'S what's wrong with it?
>
> Huh? Yeah. And it doesn't matter if the beating comes in words,
> fists, guns, bombs, sanctions, intimidation, threats, coersive
> contracts, debate, yelling, screaming, crying, or whatever. When one
> resists being forced to submit to the will of another, and receives the
> consequences...and they are unpleasant...
>
> Before I take this seriously, I'm gonna send it and get some work done.
> So I don't get beaten.
> OK, some subset of the Little Ralphs have decided that it's time for
> lunch. Enough male bovine fecal matter outta me for the time being.
> -jc
> Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm not the sensitive one here=20=
Ralph! <B>This reminds me of the 1st grade contest to see who could hit soft=
er: the 1st guy barely taps the 2nd, and the 2nd pounds the poop out of the=20=
1st and says "I Lost!."</B> And I'm really sorry about your condition(s).&nb=
sp; <B>What? Speak up! </B>And I ain't oppressin' no one, neither. <B>Just b=
y being a male, you're oppressing half the world.</B> And my singular <BR>
ocular pocket serpent has been been appropriately proprietarily <BR>
restrained for decades. <B>Whose hasn't (except those who haven't had them&n=
bsp; that long)? </B> And who assigned the task of setting or explainin=
g the minimum requirements for non oppressor status? <B>Somebody has to, and=
if I don't do it, the girls will, and their standards will be far harder to=
meet than mine, don't you think?</B> Isn't it enough that we send you our d=
ues and have no idea what you do with them? <B>You might think that, and I s=
ee by my ledgers that you are among those who haven't yet coughed up the req=
uired amount. Nevertheless, I have continued to provide services despi=
te certain members' failure to remit. </B><BR>
<BR>
Okay, my vision often is limited to assuring that I am not beaten up. =20=
<B>I certainly am not going to fault you for that; I spend my whole life try=
ing to avoid screwing up and getting yelled at, which prevents me from doing=
, not just anything wrong, but anything at all. I used to work with a=20=
guy who would come in in the morning and say "Do something, even if it's wro=
ng," I could never understand that. </B>But if I am beaten up, I=
cannot and/or will not be of much use to anyone who needs assistance to not=
be beaten up. <B>Sounds reasonable.</B> On the other hand, if I am beaten u=
p, the easiest thing to do to assure survival is to be helpful to the beater=
, (given that I am a self-centered SOB.) <B>Also sounds reasonable. </=
B>Therefore, it is in the interest of the oppressed, penis or no, that I <BR=
>
not be beaten up, nor be a suitable candidate to be beaten up. <B>Just=
don't make any mistakes, ever, and you'll be fine. What's the problem? </B>=
So put your rubber hose away! <B>It's rubber? THAT'S what's wrong with=
it?</B><BR>
<BR>
Huh? Yeah. And it doesn't matter if the beating comes in words,=20=
<BR>
fists, guns, bombs, sanctions, intimidation, threats, coersive <BR>
contracts, debate, yelling, screaming, crying, or whatever. When one <=
BR>
resists being forced to submit to the will of another, and receives the <BR>
consequences...and they are unpleasant...<BR>
<BR>
Before I take this seriously, I'm gonna send it and get some work done. <BR>
So I don't get beaten.<BR>
<B>OK, some subset of the Little Ralphs have decided that it's time fo=
r lunch. Enough male bovine fecal matter outta me for the time being.<=
/B><BR>
-jc<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><B>Ralph</B><BR>
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While I don't necessarily want to go to war, and yes Bush can be and is a cowboy, I have a really hard time dealing with what I consider to be pussyfooting around by the UN. John, you're right. Sometimes the only way to prevent violence is to be violent, because the only way some people hear what you're saying is to hit them upside the head.
Let the squabbling begin.
- Pam
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From: John Callan
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response
Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by polls? Not that
this president has or is likely to ever pursue paths that I would
consider good leadership, but I have been deeply swayed by Colin Powell.
Before all you peaceniks jump on me, I am deeply ashamed to admit that
I have never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve problems.
My life experience provides more than ample proof that violence solve
problems real good. Sometimes with less humiliation and long term
damage than words.
But I am suitably embarrassed. Please don't hurt me.
-jc
On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:26 PM, William Gould wrote:
> Is it our duty?
>
> <Fwd; [Fwd; The White House]>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>While I don't necessarily want to go to war, and yes Bush can
be and is a cowboy, I have a really hard time dealing with what I consider to be
pussyfooting around by the UN. John, you're right. Sometimes the
only way to prevent violence is to be violent, because the only way some people
hear what you're saying is to hit them upside the head.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Let the squabbling begin.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">John
Callan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
[log in to unmask]
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:54
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by
polls? Not that<BR>this president has or is likely to ever pursue paths
that I would<BR>consider good leadership, but I have been deeply swayed by
Colin Powell.<BR><BR>Before all you peaceniks jump on me, I am deeply ashamed
to admit that<BR>I have never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve
problems.<BR>My life experience provides more than ample proof that violence
solve<BR>problems real good. Sometimes with less humiliation and long
term<BR>damage than words.<BR><BR>But I am suitably embarrassed. Please
don't hurt me.<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR><BR>On Friday, February 14, 2003, at
09:26 PM, William Gould wrote:<BR><BR>> Is it our
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From: Ralph Walter
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Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 10:35 AM
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In a message dated 2/15/2003 9:53:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
Before all you peaceniks Include me out of that list jump on me, I am deeply ashamed to admit that I have never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve problems. This is nothing to be ashamed of. Sometimes it solves them, and sometimes it doesn't, which the lily-livered commie
weasels (and most female personages, in my experience While I am of the female persuasion, I do still recognize it - guess I'm not part of most.) refuse to recognize. As my father used to say that they said in the Army, "It depends upon the situation and the terrain." My life experience provides more than ample proof that violence solve problems real good. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Sometimes with less humiliation and long term
damage than words. There's ANOTHER thing that female personages don't
always recognize. I repeat - as a representative of the female personages, thankfully we are not all alike!
But I am suitably embarrassed. Fuhgeddaboudit. Please don't hurt me. Stop whining, and go kick some (deserving) ass. Valentine's Day is over, and business is business.
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<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT
size=2></FONT><BR></DIV><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>In a message dated 2/15/2003 9:53:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
</FONT><A href="mailto:[log in to unmask]"><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>Before all you peaceniks <B>Include me
out of that list</B> jump on me, I am deeply ashamed to admit that I have
never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve problems. <B>This
is nothing to be ashamed of. Sometimes it solves them, and sometimes
it doesn't, which the lily-livered commie </B></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><B>weasels (and most female personages,
in my experience <FONT color=#008000>While I am of the female persuasion, I
do still recognize it - guess I'm not part of most.</FONT>) refuse to
recognize. As my father used to say that they said in the Army, "It
depends upon the situation and the terrain." </B>My life experience provides
more than ample proof that violence solve problems real good. <B>Sometimes
yes, sometimes no. </B> Sometimes with less humiliation and long term
</FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=Arial size=2>damage than
words. </FONT><B><FONT face=Arial size=2>There's ANOTHER thing that
female personages don't </FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
TYPE="CITE"><FONT face=Arial size=2>always recognize. <FONT color=#008000>I
repeat - as a representative of the female personages, thankfully we are not
all alike!</FONT></FONT></B><BR><BR><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>But I am
suitably embarrassed. <B>Fuhgeddaboudit.</B> Please don't hurt me.
<B>Stop whining, and go kick some (deserving) ass. Valentine's Day is
over, and business is business.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT face=Arial><B>No More Mr.
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:29:03 -0500
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Sounds like engineers.
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From: Donald B. White
I heard it was a guy who knows a hundred different ways to make love, but
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Sounds like engineers.</FONT></DIV>
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Sounds like a personal problem.
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I know a woman! AND I've got slides!
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Sounds like a personal problem.</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:33:10 -0600
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Sung to the tune of "If you're happy and you know it")
If you cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.
If the markets are a drama, bomb Iraq.
If the terrorists are frisky,
Pakistan is looking shifty,
North Korea is too risky,
Bomb Iraq.
If we have no allies with us, bomb Iraq.
If we think that someone's dissed us, bomb Iraq.
So to hell with the inspections,
Let's look tough for the elections,
Close your mind and take directions,
Bomb Iraq.
It's pre-emptive non-aggression, bomb Iraq.
To prevent this mass destruction, bomb Iraq.
They've got weapons we can't see,
And that's all the proof we need,
If they're not there, they must be there,
Bomb Iraq.
If you never were elected, bomb Iraq.
If your mood is quite dejected, bomb Iraq.
If you think Saddam's gone mad,
With the weapons that he had,
And he tried to kill your dad,
Bomb Iraq.
If corporate fraud is growin', bomb Iraq.
If your ties to it are showin', bomb Iraq.
If your politics are sleazy,
And hiding that ain't easy,
And your manhood's getting queasy,
Bomb Iraq.
Fall in line and follow orders, bomb Iraq.
For our might knows not our borders, bomb Iraq.
Disagree? We'll call it treason,
Let's make war not love this season,
Even if we have no reason,
Bomb Iraq.
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<DIV>Sung to the tune of "If you're happy and you know it")<BR><BR>If you cannot
find Osama, bomb Iraq.<BR>If the markets are a drama, bomb Iraq.<BR>If the
terrorists are frisky,<BR>Pakistan is looking shifty,<BR>North Korea is too
risky,<BR>Bomb Iraq.<BR><BR>If we have no allies with us, bomb Iraq.<BR>If we
think that someone's dissed us, bomb Iraq.<BR>So to hell with the
inspections,<BR>Let's look tough for the elections,<BR>Close your mind and take
directions,<BR>Bomb Iraq.<BR><BR>It's pre-emptive non-aggression, bomb
Iraq.<BR>To prevent this mass destruction, bomb Iraq.<BR>They've got weapons we
can't see,<BR>And that's all the proof we need,<BR>If they're not there, they
must be there,<BR>Bomb Iraq.<BR><BR>If you never were elected, bomb Iraq.<BR>If
your mood is quite dejected, bomb Iraq.<BR>If you think Saddam's gone
mad,<BR>With the weapons that he had,<BR>And he tried to kill your dad,<BR>Bomb
Iraq.<BR><BR>If corporate fraud is growin', bomb Iraq.<BR>If your ties to it are
showin', bomb Iraq.<BR>If your politics are sleazy,<BR>And hiding that ain't
easy,<BR>And your manhood's getting queasy,<BR>Bomb Iraq.<BR><BR>Fall in line
and follow orders, bomb Iraq.<BR>For our might knows not our borders, bomb
Iraq.<BR>Disagree? We'll call it treason,<BR>Let's make war not love this
season,<BR>Even if we have no reason,<BR>Bomb Iraq. <BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:10:52 -0500
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Pam, we are in agreement. Except the "cowboy". I'm still trying to=20
hang on to my mythological heros and role models. Luckily no=20
politician and damn few Hollywood types have screwed around with=20
"Mountain Man". I suppose we know what we are talking about when we=20
call Bush and Regan "cowboys", but it isn't the same as "my heroes have=20=
always been" and my "mama" didn't let me "grow up to be". Can you see=20=
Regan or Bush in "High Noon"? (Maybe as one of the bad guys...a minor=20=
one.)
Mrs. Callan prefers me in my cowboy role...though she wouldn't admit=20
it...she doesn't like my roles in general. Don't think she's aware of=20=
Mountain Man...he's kind of a nasty tempered loner...maybe she just=20
doesn't like him. Not many do.
-jc
On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 07:24 AM, Pam Stevenson wrote:
> While I don't necessarily want to go to war, and yes Bush can be and=20=
> is a cowboy, I have a really hard time dealing with what I consider to=20=
> be pussyfooting around by the UN.=A0 John, you're right.=A0 Sometimes =
the=20
> only way to prevent violence is to be violent, because the only way=20
> some people hear what you're saying is to hit them upside the head.
> =A0
> Let the squabbling begin.
> =A0
> - Pam
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response
>
> Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by polls?=A0 Not that
> this president has or is likely to ever pursue paths that I would
> consider good leadership, but I have been deeply swayed by Colin=20
> Powell.
>
> Before all you peaceniks jump on me, I am deeply ashamed to admit that
> I have never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve problems.
> My life experience provides more than ample proof that violence solve
> problems real good.=A0 Sometimes with less humiliation and long term
> damage than words.
>
> But I am suitably embarrassed.=A0 Please don't hurt me.
>
> -jc
>
>
> On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:26=A0 PM, William Gould wrote:
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> > Is it our duty?
> >
> > <Fwd; [Fwd; The White House]>
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Pam, we are in agreement. Except the "cowboy". I'm still trying to
hang on to my mythological heros and role models. Luckily no
politician and damn few Hollywood types have screwed around with
"Mountain Man". I suppose we know what we are talking about when we
call Bush and Regan "cowboys", but it isn't the same as "my heroes
have always been" and my "mama" didn't let me "grow up to be". Can
you see Regan or Bush in "High Noon"? (Maybe as one of the bad
guys...a minor one.)
Mrs. Callan prefers me in my cowboy role...though she wouldn't admit
it...she doesn't like my roles in general. Don't think she's aware of
Mountain Man...he's kind of a nasty tempered loner...maybe she just
doesn't like him. Not many do.
-jc
On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 07:24 AM, Pam Stevenson wrote:
<excerpt><smaller>While I don't necessarily want to go to war, and yes
Bush can be and is a cowboy, I have a really hard time dealing with
what I consider to be pussyfooting around by the UN.=A0 John, you're
right.=A0 Sometimes the only way to prevent violence is to be violent,
because the only way some people hear what you're saying is to hit
them upside the head.</smaller>
=A0
<smaller>Let the squabbling begin.</smaller>
=A0
<smaller>- Pam</smaller>
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<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response
Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by polls?=A0 Not that
this president has or is likely to ever pursue paths that I would
consider good leadership, but I have been deeply swayed by Colin
Powell.
Before all you peaceniks jump on me, I am deeply ashamed to admit that
I have never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve problems.
My life experience provides more than ample proof that violence solve
problems real good.=A0 Sometimes with less humiliation and long term
damage than words.
But I am suitably embarrassed.=A0 Please don't hurt me.
-jc
On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:26=A0 PM, William Gould wrote:
> Is it our duty?
>
> <<Fwd; [Fwd; The White House]>
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John -
"High Noon"? I don't know. Can you see a president making a movie with a monkey? Oops - been there, done that. Actually, my overall problem with Bush is that it appears he's trying to return us to the isolationist period we were in over 100 years ago. We should do something about Hussein before he becomes another Hitler or worse, but it would be better to do so with the rest of the allies support. I think I shocked my husband over the weekend (the European point of view in the household - well, sort of European, seeing as the UK isn't part of the EU), when I expressed that I think we should do something in the Middle East. He still seems to respect me, but I have a feeling he thought I lean more toward the bleeding heart types. My cynicism is starting to really show.
- Pam
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Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response
Pam, we are in agreement. Except the "cowboy". I'm still trying to hang on to my
mythological heros and role models. Luckily no politician and damn few Hollywood
types have screwed around with "Mountain Man". I suppose we know what we are
talking about when we call Bush and Regan "cowboys", but it isn't the same as
"my heroes have always been" and my "mama" didn't let me "grow up to be". Can
you see Regan or Bush in "High Noon"? (Maybe as one of the bad guys...a minor
one.)
Mrs. Callan prefers me in my cowboy role...though she wouldn't admit it...
she doesn't like my roles in general. Don't think she's aware of Mountain Man...
he's kind of a nasty tempered loner...maybe she just doesn't like him. Not many do.
-jc
On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 07:24 AM, Pam Stevenson wrote:
While I don't necessarily want to go to war, and yes Bush can be and is a cowboy, I have a really hard time dealing with what I consider to be pussyfooting around by the UN. John, you're right. Sometimes the only way to prevent violence is to be violent, because the only way some people hear what you're saying is to hit them upside the head.
Let the squabbling begin.
- Pam
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From: John Callan
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response
Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by polls? Not that
this president has or is likely to ever pursue paths that I would
consider good leadership, but I have been deeply swayed by Colin Powell.
Before all you peaceniks jump on me, I am deeply ashamed to admit that
I have never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve problems.
My life experience provides more than ample proof that violence solve
problems real good. Sometimes with less humiliation and long term
damage than words.
But I am suitably embarrassed. Please don't hurt me.
-jc
On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:26 PM, William Gould wrote:
> Is it our duty?
>
> <Fwd; [Fwd; The White House]>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>John -</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>"High Noon"? I don't know. Can you see a president
making a movie with a monkey? Oops - been there, done that.
Actually, my overall problem with Bush is that it appears he's trying to return
us to the isolationist period we were in over 100 years ago. We
<STRONG>should </STRONG>do something about Hussein before he becomes another
Hitler or worse, but it would be better to do so with the rest of the allies
support. I think I shocked my husband over the weekend (the European point
of view in the household - well, sort of European, seeing as the UK isn't part
of the EU), when I expressed that I think we should do something in the Middle
East. He still seems to respect me, but I have a feeling he thought I lean
more toward the bleeding heart types. My cynicism is starting to really
show.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Pam, we are in agreement. Except the "cowboy". I'm still trying to hang
on to my </DIV>
<DIV>mythological heros and role models. Luckily no politician and damn few
Hollywood </DIV>
<DIV>types have screwed around with "Mountain Man". I suppose we know what we
are </DIV>
<DIV>talking about when we call Bush and Regan "cowboys", but it isn't the
same as </DIV>
<DIV>"my heroes have always been" and my "mama" didn't let me "grow up to be".
Can </DIV>
<DIV>you see Regan or Bush in "High Noon"? (Maybe as one of the bad guys...a
minor </DIV>
<DIV>one.)<BR><BR>Mrs. Callan prefers me in my cowboy role...though she
wouldn't admit it...</DIV>
<DIV>she doesn't like my roles in general. Don't think she's aware of Mountain
Man...</DIV>
<DIV>he's kind of a nasty tempered loner...maybe she just doesn't like him.
Not many do.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT
size=2></FONT><BR>-jc<BR><BR><BR>On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 07:24 AM,
Pam Stevenson wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?smaller>While I don't necessarily want to go to war, and yes
Bush can be and is a cowboy, I have a really hard time dealing with what I
consider to be pussyfooting around by the UN. John, you're
right. Sometimes the only way to prevent violence is to be violent,
because the only way some people hear what you're saying is to hit them
upside the head.<?/smaller><BR> <BR><?smaller>Let the squabbling begin.<?/smaller><BR> <BR><?smaller>- Pam<?/smaller><BR><BR>-----
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<U><?color><?param 1999,1999,FFFF>John Callan<?/color></U><BR><B>To:</B> <U><?color><?param 1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color></U><BR><B>Sent:</B>
Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:54 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq
response<BR><BR>Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by
polls? Not that<BR>this president has or is likely to ever pursue
paths that I would<BR>consider good leadership, but I have been deeply
swayed by Colin Powell.<BR><BR>Before all you peaceniks jump on me, I am
deeply ashamed to admit that<BR>I have never been one to claim that violence
doesn't solve problems.<BR>My life experience provides more than ample proof
that violence solve<BR>problems real good. Sometimes with less
humiliation and long term<BR>damage than words.<BR><BR>But I am suitably
embarrassed. Please don't hurt me.<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR><BR>On Friday,
February 14, 2003, at 09:26 PM, William Gould wrote:<BR><BR>> Is it
our duty?<BR>><BR>> <Fwd; [Fwd; The White
House]><BR><BR>--<BR>To terminate puerile preservation prattling among
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10 points for Pam!
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That Bob Score just goes to show you that not all lily-livered Commies are
without a sense of humor, after all.
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Better red than dead!
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Walter [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:19 AM
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Subject: Re: Iraq response
That Bob Score just goes to show you that not all lily-livered Commies are
without a sense of humor, after all.
Ralph
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ralph Walter
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:26:43 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Copper skylights
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In a message dated 2/17/2003 10:10:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I am still looking for help to find someone skilled in repairing copper
> skylights, 1920s vintage, for a project in Olympia, WA, a landmark
> building.
> Any thoughts? I think my message last week may have been lost in the roll
> call.
>
Not that any of the following will do you any good, but a good tinknocker
and/or an old-time roofer ought to be able to do it.
You might well be better off having the skylights made new to match the
original, unless they're in pretty good shape to begin with. You're not
likely to get a guarantee on a patch job, and may not be able to get anybody
to do a patch job in the first place.
Is the problem the skylights themselves, or the flashing, or what?
What about contacting your SHPO for a contractor's name? What about the
contractors who worked on the Tacoma RR station, which as I remember when I
saw it several years ago in rather a ruinous state, looked like it had some
copper work? Has the state Capitol been repaired recently, and if so, by
whom?
If worse comes to worst, you might have to import somebody from Back East,
but that would cost a fortune. Good luck, and keep us posted.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I am still looking for help to=20=
find someone skilled in repairing copper<BR>
skylights, 1920s vintage, for a project in Olympia, WA, a landmark building.=
<BR>
Any thoughts? I think my message last week may have been lost in the roll<BR=
>
call.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Not that any of the following will do you any good, but a good tinknocker an=
d/or an old-time roofer ought to be able to do it. <BR>
<BR>
You might well be better off having the skylights made new to match the orig=
inal, unless they're in pretty good shape to begin with. You're not li=
kely to get a guarantee on a patch job, and may not be able to get anybody t=
o do a patch job in the first place. <BR>
<BR>
Is the problem the skylights themselves, or the flashing, or what?<BR>
<BR>
What about contacting your SHPO for a contractor's name? What about th=
e contractors who worked on the Tacoma RR station, which as I remember when=20=
I saw it several years ago in rather a ruinous state, looked like it had som=
e copper work? Has the state Capitol been repaired recently, and if so=
, by whom?<BR>
<BR>
If worse comes to worst, you might have to import somebody from Back East, b=
ut that would cost a fortune. Good luck, and keep us posted.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:39:57 EST
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In a message dated 2/17/2003 10:48:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> "High Noon"? I don't know. Can you see a president making a movie with a
> monkey? Oops - been there, done that. And a great success it was, too.
> Actually, my overall problem with Bush is that it appears he's trying to
> return us to the isolationist period we were in over 100 years ago.
> Actually, I think Teddy Roosevelt was not such an isolationist. The
> problem was the wimps who followed him after WWI. We should do something
> about Hussein before he becomes another Hitler I think he's been there and
> done that, and now we gotta do something about it, which if Bush Sr. had
> finished the job in 1991, we'd undoubtedly still be trying to nation-build,
> but at least Saddam and his goombas would be gone. or worse, but it would
> be better to do so with the rest of the allies support. It would be nice if
> THEY weren't such a bunch of wimps, and I can't help but wonder whether
> this would have "sold" better sooner after 9/11. I think I shocked my
> husband over the weekend (the European point of view in the household -
> well, sort of European, seeing as the UK isn't part of the EU), Reminds me
> of the possibly apocryphal Brit newspaper headline: Heavy Fog Over
> Channel-- Continent Isolated when I expressed that I think we should do
> something in the Middle East. He still seems to respect me He should
> respect you MORE, and probbaly does, but I have a feeling he thought I lean
> more toward the bleeding heart types. My cynicism is starting to really
> show. Sometimes, alas, our cybicism is warranted.
Good for you, Pam!
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">"High Noon"? I don't know=
. Can you see a president making a movie with a monkey? Oops - b=
een there, done that. <B>And a great success it was, too. </B>Actually=
, my overall problem with Bush is that it appears he's trying to return us t=
o the isolationist period we were in over 100 years ago. <B>Actually, I thin=
k Teddy Roosevelt was not such an isolationist. The problem was the wi=
mps who followed him after WWI. </B> We <B>should </B>do something abou=
t Hussein before he becomes another Hitler <B>I think he's been there and do=
ne that, and now we gotta do something about it, which if Bush Sr. had finis=
hed the job in 1991, we'd undoubtedly still be trying to nation-build, but a=
t least Saddam and his goombas would be gone. </B>or worse, but it would be=20=
better to do so with the rest of the allies support. <B>It would be nice if=20=
THEY weren't such a bunch of wimps, and I can't help</B> <B>but wonder wheth=
er</B> <B>this would have "sold" better sooner after 9/11. </B>I<B> </B>thin=
k I shocked my husband over the weekend (the European point of view in the h=
ousehold - well, sort of European, seeing as the UK isn't part of the EU), <=
B>Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal Brit newspaper headline: Heavy=
Fog Over Channel-- Continent Isolated </B> when I expressed that I thi=
nk we should do something in the Middle East. He still seems to respec=
t me <B>He should respect you MORE, and probbaly does</B>, but I have a feel=
ing he thought I lean more toward the bleeding heart types. My cynicis=
m is starting to really show. <B>Sometimes, alas, our cybicism is warranted.=
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLO=
R: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>Good for you, Pam!<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</B><BR>
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:24:29 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
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I am truly honoured!
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Walter
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Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response
10 points for Pam!
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph Walter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
[log in to unmask]
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 17, 2003 11:14
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:26:45 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response
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In a message dated 2/17/2003 12:25:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I am truly honoured!
Pam,
In that case, we'll give you 15 points, but you need to learned how to spell
"honored." This IS America, ya know.
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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E><BR>
<BR>
Pam,<BR>
<BR>
In that case, we'll give you 15 points, but you need to learned how to spell=
"honored." This IS America, ya know.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:30:10 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
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Ralph "Bonzo Lover" -
Thank you for your undying support, and yes, I think my husband respects me more because I'm willing to speak my mind. I also think you have a good point about if we'd "gone after" Hussein sooner after 9/11. But I must ask, is "cynbicism" cynicism with cymbals?
- Pam
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Walter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response
In a message dated 2/17/2003 10:48:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
"High Noon"? I don't know. Can you see a president making a movie with a monkey? Oops - been there, done that. And a great success it was, too.
Actually, my overall problem with Bush is that it appears he's trying to return us to the isolationist period we were in over 100 years ago.
Actually, I think Teddy Roosevelt was not such an isolationist.
The problem was the wimps who followed him after WWI.
We should do something about Hussein before he becomes another Hitler
I think he's been there and done that, and now we gotta do something about it,
which if Bush Sr. had finished the job in 1991, we'd undoubtedly still be trying to
nation-build, but at least Saddam and his goombas would be gone.
or worse, but it would be better to do so with the rest of the allies support.
It would be nice if THEY weren't such a bunch of wimps, and I can't help but wonder
whether this would have "sold" better sooner after 9/11.
I think I shocked my husband over the weekend (the European point of view in the household - well, sort of European, seeing as the UK isn't part of the EU),
Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal Brit newspaper headline:
Heavy Fog Over Channel-- Continent Isolated
when I expressed that I think we should do something in the Middle East.
He still seems to respect me He should respect you MORE, and probbaly does,
but I have a feeling he thought I lean more toward the bleeding heart types. My cynicism is starting to really show. Sometimes, alas, our cybicism is warranted.
Good for you, Pam!
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Ralph "Bonzo Lover" -</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Thank you for your undying support, and yes, I think my
husband respects me more because I'm willing to speak my mind. I also
think you have a good point about if we'd "gone after" Hussein sooner after
9/11. But I must ask, is "cynbicism" cynicism with cymbals?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph Walter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
[log in to unmask]
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 17, 2003 11:39
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0
face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/17/2003 10:48:25 AM
Eastern Standard Time, <A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
writes:<BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE">
<DIV>"High Noon"? I don't know. Can you see a president making a
movie with a monkey? Oops - been there, done that. <B>And a
great success it was, too. </B></DIV>
<DIV>Actually, my overall problem with Bush is that it appears he's trying
to return us to the isolationist period we were in over 100 years ago.
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Actually, I think Teddy Roosevelt was not such an
isolationist. </B></DIV>
<DIV><B>The problem was the wimps who followed him after WWI. </B>
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We <B>should </B>do something about Hussein before he becomes another
Hitler </DIV>
<DIV><B>I think he's been there and done that, and now we gotta do something
about it, </B></DIV>
<DIV><B>which if Bush Sr. had finished the job in 1991, we'd undoubtedly
still be trying to </B></DIV>
<DIV><B>nation-build, but at least Saddam and his goombas would be gone.
</B></DIV>
<DIV>or worse, but it would be better to do so with the rest of the allies
support. </DIV>
<DIV><B>It would be nice if THEY weren't such a bunch of wimps, and I can't
help</B> <B>but wonder </B></DIV>
<DIV><B>whether</B> <B>this would have "sold" better sooner after 9/11.
</B></DIV>
<DIV>I<B> </B>think I shocked my husband over the weekend (the European
point of view in the household - well, sort of European, seeing as the UK
isn't part of the EU), </DIV>
<DIV><B>Reminds me of the possibly apocryphal Brit newspaper headline:
</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>Heavy Fog Over Channel-- Continent Isolated </B> </DIV>
<DIV>when I expressed that I think we should do something in the Middle
East. </DIV>
<DIV>He still seems to respect me <B>He should respect you MORE, and
probbaly does</B>, </DIV>
<DIV>but I have a feeling he thought I lean more toward the bleeding heart
types. My cynicism is starting to really show. <B>Sometimes, alas, our
cybicism is warranted. </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=0
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I just can't help myself. Hard to believe as it is, I started spelling words like that in 8th grade. Must be my karma knew then what I know now. At least, that's what I try to convince myself, rather than the truth, which is I just thought it was really cool to be different back then.
- Pam
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From: Ralph Walter
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In a message dated 2/17/2003 12:25:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
I am truly honoured!
Pam,
In that case, we'll give you 15 points, but you need to learned how to spell "honored." This IS America, ya know.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I just can't help myself. Hard to believe as it is, I
started spelling words like that in 8th grade. Must be my karma knew then
what I know now. At least, that's what I try to convince myself, rather
than the truth, which is I just thought it was really cool to be different back
then.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph Walter</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 17, 2003 12:26
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response</DIV>
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writes:<BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE">I am truly honoured!</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Pam,<BR><BR>In that case,
we'll give you 15 points, but you need to learned how to spell "honored." This
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:50:50 EST
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Awwwww, Robert and his socialist pinko friends have their panties in wad. I'm
sure your hero Saddam Hussein appreciates your humor. Hey Robert, catch the
next flight to Bagdad. I'm sure Saddam has some Iraqi sausage you can work
on. Robert, have you been parading around naked in Central Park with your
buddies?
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have their panties in wad. I'm sure your hero Saddam Hussein appreciates yo=
ur humor. Hey Robert, catch the next flight to Bagdad. I'm sure Saddam has s=
ome Iraqi sausage you can work on. Robert, have you been parading around nak=
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:50:34 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: Iraq response
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In a message dated 2/17/2003 12:31:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> But I must ask, is "cynbicism" cynicism with cymbals?
Yes, loud clanging brass cymbals.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">But I must ask, is "cynbicism"=20=
cynicism with cymbals?</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"=
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Yes, loud clanging brass cymbals.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:52:28 EST
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In a message dated 2/17/2003 12:33:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I just can't help myself. Hard to believe as it is, I started spelling
> words like that in 8th grade. Must be my karma knew then what I know now.
> At least, that's what I try to convince myself, rather than the truth,
> which is I just thought it was really cool to be different back then.
>
Pam,
We like the way you're different now. But "honoured" strikes me as as much
of a limp-wristed British affectation as the goodam Old-House Journal and
"storey."
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/17/2003 12:33:25 PM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I just can't help myself. =
Hard to believe as it is, I started spelling words like that in 8th grade.&=
nbsp; Must be my karma knew then what I know now. At least, that's wha=
t I try to convince myself, rather than the truth, which is I just thought i=
t was really cool to be different back then.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=20=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ar=
ial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Pam,<BR>
<BR>
We like the way you're different now. But "honoured" strikes me as as=20=
much of a limp-wristed British affectation as the goodam Old-House Journal a=
nd "storey."<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:53:34 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response
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In a message dated 2/17/2003 12:52:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Awwwww, Robert and his socialist pinko friends have their panties in wad.
> I'm sure your hero Saddam Hussein appreciates your humor. Hey Robert, catch
> the next flight to Bagdad. I'm sure Saddam has some Iraqi sausage you can
> work on. Robert, have you been parading around naked in Central Park with
> your buddies?
>
Steve,
Talk about big claning brass cymbals!
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/17/2003 12:52:08 PM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Awwwww, Robert and his socialist pinko friends have th=
eir panties in wad. I'm sure your hero Saddam Hussein appreciates your humor=
. Hey Robert, catch the next flight to Bagdad. I'm sure Saddam has some Iraq=
i sausage you can work on. Robert, have you been parading around naked in Ce=
ntral Park with your buddies? <BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Steve,<BR>
<BR>
Talk about big claning brass cymbals!<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:08:10 -0500
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LOL. That would infer the 1812 Overture is very cynical.
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In a message dated 2/17/2003 12:31:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
But I must ask, is "cynbicism" cynicism with cymbals?
Yes, loud clanging brass cymbals.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT size=2>LOL. That would infer the 1812 Overture is very
cynical.</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph Walter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 17, 2003 12:50
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/17/2003 12:31:18 PM Eastern Standard
Time, <A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
TYPE="CITE">But I must ask, is "cynbicism" cynicism with
cymbals?</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Yes, loud clanging brass cymbals.<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT>
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:40:24 -0500
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Ralph -
I'm not trying to be a limp-wristed Brit, although I could be called affected (in the head). Besides, I keep telling the dude we'll turn him into a Yank, yet!
- Pam
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Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Iraq response
In a message dated 2/17/2003 12:33:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
I just can't help myself. Hard to believe as it is, I started spelling words like that in 8th grade. Must be my karma knew then what I know now. At least, that's what I try to convince myself, rather than the truth, which is I just thought it was really cool to be different back then.
Pam,
We like the way you're different now. But "honoured" strikes me as as much of a
limp-wristed British affectation as the goodam Old-House Journal and "storey."
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Ralph -</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm not trying to be a limp-wristed Brit, although I could be
called affected (in the head). Besides, I keep telling the dude we'll turn
him into a Yank, yet!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph Walter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
[log in to unmask]
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 17, 2003 12:52
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0
face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/17/2003 12:33:25 PM
Eastern Standard Time, <A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
TYPE="CITE">I just can't help myself. Hard to believe as it is, I
started spelling words like that in 8th grade. Must be my karma knew
then what I know now. At least, that's what I try to convince myself,
rather than the truth, which is I just thought it was really cool to be
different back then.</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Pam,<BR><BR>We like the way you're
different now. But "honoured" strikes me as as much of a </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">limp-wristed British affectation as the goodam
Old-House Journal and "storey."<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></FONT> </DIV>
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:18:38 -0500
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In a message dated 2/17/2003 1:08:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> LOL. That would infer the 1812 Overture is very cynical.
And part of the canon.
Ralph
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:17:46 -0600
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So I assume by this that you liked my little song steve. I would suggest
that you try to point out which specific lines you find to be incorrect.
Comrade Score!
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Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:51 AM
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Subject: Re: Iraq response
Awwwww, Robert and his socialist pinko friends have their panties in wad.
I'm sure your hero Saddam Hussein appreciates your humor. Hey Robert, catch
the next flight to Bagdad. I'm sure Saddam has some Iraqi sausage you can
work on. Robert, have you been parading around naked in Central Park with
your buddies?
Steve Elkins
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=466401620-17022003>So I
assume by this that you liked my little song steve. I would suggest that you try
to point out which specific lines you find to be incorrect.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 17, 2003 11:51
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face="Comic Sans MS" size=3 FAMILY="SCRIPT">Awwwww, Robert and his socialist
pinko friends have their panties in wad. I'm sure your hero Saddam Hussein
appreciates your humor. Hey Robert, catch the next flight to Bagdad. I'm sure
Saddam has some Iraqi sausage you can work on. Robert, have you been parading
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:59:34 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 2/17/2003 2:40:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Besides, I keep telling the dude we'll turn him into a Yank, yet!
Pam,
Keep trying. The best way is private displays of affection, and lots of
them.
And forget the business about the way to a man's heart is through his
stomach.
Ralph
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Pam,<BR>
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:22:37 -0500
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It is if I supply it some single malt.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Walter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 3:59 PM
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In a message dated 2/17/2003 2:40:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
Besides, I keep telling the dude we'll turn him into a Yank, yet!
Pam,
Keep trying. The best way is private displays of affection, and lots of them.
And forget the business about the way to a man's heart is through his stomach.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT size=2>It is if I supply it some single malt.</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph Walter</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response</DIV>
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/17/2003 2:40:38 PM Eastern Standard
Time, <A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
writes:<BR><BR>
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Pam,<BR><BR>Keep trying. The best way is private
displays of affection, and lots of them. <BR><BR>And forget the business about
the way to a man's heart is through his stomach.<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT>
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 20:07:04 -0500
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In a message dated 2/17/2003 4:22:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> It is if I supply it some single malt.
Pam,
This would appear to confirm the supposition that there's something definitely odd about those Brits. Maybe it's having the continent isolated. Must have driven the Beatles crazy.
Ralph
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 20:10:40 -0500
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In a message dated 2/17/2003 8:07:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Must have driven the Beatles crazy.
Now that I think about it, this must be what drove the teenage girls crazy.
Ralph
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 08:38:56 -0500
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Robert, now I can't stop singing that darn-fool song! Thanks...
Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA
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Irene, there are worse songs to sing, and if you have to walk around all day
singing it to yourself, you might as well share it with the rest of your
office so that they can join in. Two days ago our entire group was hamming
and dancing to the chicken dance all day, thanks to our fearless leader.
Bob
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Robert, now I can't stop singing that darn-fool song! Thanks...
Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:46:58 EST
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It will be nice to not meet any of you face to face so you can remain the
imaginary characters of the inner e-mind.
July and Ithaca is a ways away. ][<en
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:49:33 EST
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With a wooden leg.
Meaning he looks like Al Capp. ][<en
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John Callan wrote:
> Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by polls?
What better gauge of the voice of the people?
My country right or wrong is the moral equivalent of my mother drunk or
sober......
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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In a message dated 2/18/2003 9:50:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> Meaning he looks like Al Capp.
The ants crawl in, the ants crawl out....
Ralph
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The ants crawl in, the ants crawl out....<BR>
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In a message dated 2/18/2003 9:50:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
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> Contents deleted=E2=80=A6again. What puerile comments were posted???!!! =20
>=20
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Ilene,
Don't worry. We'll all make them all again sooner or later.
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/18/2003 9:50:34 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff"=
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were posted???!!! </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND=
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Ilene,<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:31:53 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Crawfished, Bush, Economy, Iraq
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Wasn't the economy falling when Bush took office? Surely not.
Bush & his crew made it fail worse, like in when it ain't broke don't fix it
with all his loud mouth talk about how the economy was failing it then
proceeded to make good on his rhetoric as the economy is all us and when we
hear negative stuff we tend to manifest it into reality. Life is story and
Bush tells scary stories.
Crawfished, as referenced by Bush a while back re: where they hid the
Osama... not an ignorant term but one of American literature... comes up in
Huckleberry Finn when Huck is trying to get out of the way of the murdering
gang on the steamboat that had killed herself on a rock towards the end of
Chapter XII. This while folks were out looking for the missing and presumed
murdered Huck.
As to Iraq, if Osama ain't there then Bush is a damned fool. No nukes.
I gave up on non-violence the last time I got the poop beat out of me some
30+ years ago. Gandhi & Dr. King sounded good enough. Mr. CTB was there the
day the x-Marine recently back from Nam smashed my face with a full beer can.
Since then I figure I'll kill anyone that moves violent to me or mine. Not
much chance of that happening, but then, it is the mental state of the
collective unconsious we need to be concerned here with more than the
physical presence of violence. I've not been bothered since. The mugger that
stuck the gun to my son's head did not make me too happy. Probably a good
thing I wasn't there. The anti-war rallies of the early 70's were exciting. I
met a lot of people that smoked dope and we had a lot of fun running from the
police chasing us on their mopeds and us avoiding the tear gas. I was
standing on a corner with some locals who were laughing at the protestors and
cursing them out when a canister went whizzing right past us. It took them by
surprise, thinking as patriots out to enjoy their city that they were immune
to the violent action. Tear gas smells funny and it lingers in the nostrils.
The problem with mass politics is you can get sucked in and spit out dead the
other end without ever knowing what you were doing there for... like with the
Civil War, or Korea.
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Bush & his crew made it=20=
fail worse, like in when it ain't broke don't fix it with all his loud mouth=
talk about how the economy was failing it then proceeded to make good on hi=
s rhetoric as the economy is all us and when we hear negative stuff we tend=20=
to manifest it into reality. Life is story and Bush tells scary stories.<BR>
<BR>
Crawfished, as referenced by Bush a while back re: where they hid the Osama.=
.. not an ignorant term but one of American literature... comes up in Huckle=
berry Finn when Huck is trying to get out of the way of the murdering gang o=
n the steamboat that had killed herself on a rock towards the end of Chapter=
XII. This while folks were out looking for the missing and presumed murdere=
d Huck.<BR>
<BR>
As to Iraq, if Osama ain't there then Bush is a damned fool. No nukes.<BR>
<BR>
I gave up on non-violence the last time I got the poop beat out of me some 3=
0+ years ago. Gandhi & Dr. King sounded good enough. Mr. CTB was there t=
he day the x-Marine recently back from Nam smashed my face with a full beer=20=
can. Since then I figure I'll kill anyone that moves violent to me or mine.=20=
Not much chance of that happening, but then, it is the mental state of the c=
ollective unconsious we need to be concerned here with more than the physica=
l presence of violence. I've not been bothered since. The mugger that stuck=20=
the gun to my son's head did not make me too happy. Probably a good thing I=20=
wasn't there. The anti-war rallies of the early 70's were exciting. I met a=20=
lot of people that smoked dope and we had a lot of fun running from the poli=
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n a corner with some locals who were laughing at the protestors and cursing=20=
them out when a canister went whizzing right past us. It took them by surpri=
se, thinking as patriots out to enjoy their city that they were immune to th=
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problem with mass politics is you can get sucked in and spit out dead the ot=
her end without ever knowing what you were doing there for... like with the=20=
Civil War, or Korea.<BR>
<BR>
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It was probably Ralph's mention of the male brain organ, even if it was
the biologically correct nomenclature.
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Tyler
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Contents deleted...again. What puerile comments were posted???!!! =20
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Subject: Re: Copper skylights
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I am still looking for help to find someone skilled in repairing copper
skylights, 1920s vintage, for a project in Olympia, WA, a landmark building.
Any thoughts? I think my message last week may have been lost in the roll
call.
Christopher,
The question is a stumper as I'm not sure any of us know a coppersmith in
Washington State, particularly not in the histo presto field. So I need to
ask questions to refine the search criteria. Is there a split between in-shop
and field work? If there is a higher percentage of in-shop work then it may
not matter where the project is located so much to find local craft as to
find excellent craft that is willing to travel. How many days do you think is
involved in field work for a crew of two? Just how elaborate is the work?
Flat work or pressed metal? What level of skill is needed, master or
journeyman? Is there nobody out there qualified? Is the logistics difficult?
Is it a remote location? Is there camping, boating and mules or Sheraton and
continental breakfast? Are we talking rain forest? Repairing or rebuilding?
If the money is there and the task makes sense I'll find a team and go. I
know this guy in CT that does real good work, and another in Vermont. It is
not much difference, other than a plane flight, if it is in West Point or
Olympia. Otherwise there is this guy in SF who may know someone to recommend.
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I am still looking for help to find someone skilled in=
repairing copper skylights, 1920s vintage, for a project in Olympia, WA, a=20=
landmark building. Any thoughts? I think my message last week may have been=20=
lost in the roll call.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Christopher,<BR>
<BR>
The question is a stumper as I'm not sure any of us know a coppersmith in Wa=
shington State, particularly not in the histo presto field. So I need to ask=
questions to refine the search criteria. Is there a split between in-shop a=
nd field work? If there is a higher percentage of in-shop work then it may n=
ot matter where the project is located so much to find local craft as to fin=
d excellent craft that is willing to travel. How many days do you think is i=
nvolved in field work for a crew of two? Just how elaborate is the work? Fla=
t work or pressed metal? What level of skill is needed, master or journeyman=
? Is there nobody out there qualified? Is the logistics difficult? Is it a r=
emote location? Is there camping, boating and mules or Sheraton and continen=
tal breakfast? Are we talking rain forest? Repairing or rebuilding? If the m=
oney is there and the task makes sense I'll find a team and go. I know this=20=
guy in CT that does real good work, and another in Vermont. It is not much d=
ifference, other than a plane flight, if it is in West Point or Olympia. Oth=
erwise there is this guy in SF who may know someone to recommend.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:32:42 EST
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<<<So I need to ask questions to refine the search criteria.>>>
Also: <<Florins or confederate dollars?" Signed, Chancellor of the
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:38:51 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Irack response: (Re: file attachments on B-P)
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I think we should block them on B-P. Dan, Ken .... Estelle?
They do cause an assortment of problems, particulary clogging systems for
folks who can't read them -- reinforcing the "new technology" hegemony.
Unless I really really want them I won't open them for questons of time and
potential viruses. Though I admit anyone on BP sending me one I would open.
For graphics and files PigHabit-L is alive and well and Deb Bledsoe, now that
she has cable access, has in the past volunteered to help anyone with
technical challenges working with PigHabit-L.
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t of problems, particulary clogging systems for folks who can't read them --=
reinforcing the "new technology" hegemony. Unless I really really want them=
I won't open them for questons of time and potential viruses. Though I admi=
t anyone on BP sending me one I would open.<BR>
<BR>
For graphics and files PigHabit-L is alive and well and Deb Bledsoe, now tha=
t she has cable access, has in the past volunteered to help anyone with tech=
nical challenges working with PigHabit-L.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:54:06 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: arcane knowledge
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When it comes to preservation, never underestimate the value of seemingly
arcane knowledge
Or, as was informed to me this morning, that if you do not watch television
that everyone around you will keep you up on the relevant details simply for
the fact that they feel sorry for you. Though I watch probably too much
television the person who first told me the news about the shuttle, on a day
that I was not watching television, is someone that does not watch television
or listen to the radio or read the newspapers. I had been avoiding news prior
to 9/11. It seems impossible to avoid arcane information in our society.
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value of seemingly<BR>
arcane knowledge</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Or, as was informed to me this morning, that if you do not watch television=20=
that everyone around you will keep you up on the relevant details simply for=
the fact that they feel sorry for you. Though I watch probably too much tel=
evision the person who first told me the news about the shuttle, on a day th=
at I was not watching television, is someone that does not watch television=20=
or listen to the radio or read the newspapers. I had been avoiding news prio=
r to 9/11. It seems impossible to avoid arcane information in our society.<B=
R>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:58:26 EST
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Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Flooring
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Save some money and come to BC where I will conduct a hands-on workshop in
Historic Wooden Flooring for $6 Cdn ($10 US).
Cuyler: You forgot to mention dates and accomodations. Will there be slides?
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<BR>
Cuyler: You forgot to mention dates and accomodations. Will there be slides?=
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:06:15 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Flooring
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In a message dated 2/18/2003 11:59:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Save some money and come to BC where I will conduct a hands-on workshop in
> Historic Wooden Flooring for $6 Cdn ($10 US).
>
>
> Cuyler: You forgot to mention dates and accomodations. Will there be
> slides? ][<en
][<en,
I think he also got the conversion rate a little backwards. Unless people
are REALLY pissed about Iraq.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Save some money and come to BC=20=
where I will conduct a hands-on workshop in Historic Wooden Flooring for $6=20=
Cdn ($10 US). <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Cuyler: You forgot to mention dates and accomodations. Will there be slides?=
][<en</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=
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I think he also got the conversion rate a little backwards. Unless peo=
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:38:22 EST
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Subject: Re: BP On?
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> With a wooden leg.
>
So I said to my wife with a wooden leg...Peg.
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n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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So I said to my wife with a wooden leg...Peg.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:07:35 EST
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Subject: Re: BP On?
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In a message dated 2/18/2003 6:39:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> So I said to my wife with a wooden leg...Peg.
>
>
There's a Mrs. Steve? Eeeewwwwww.
Ralph
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<BR>
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:12:12 -0600
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Isn't amazing how many people manage to find someone to pair up with!
-jc
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>
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Isn't amazing how many people manage to find someone to pair up with!
-jc
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:13:52 -0800
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Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Flooring
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Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Flooring
Save some money and come to BC where I will conduct a hands-on =
workshop in Historic Wooden Flooring for $6 Cdn ($10 US).=20
Cuyler: You forgot to mention dates and accommodations. Will there be =
slides? ][<en=20
Ah Yes,
I suppose the date will be when the Cdn $ returns to its real value. ( =
I guess I was recalling how hesitant my (USA) father was to enter Canada =
when we went on fishing holidays to the St. Lawrence because a dollar =
there cost him $1.05 US. )
There are always slides, that way the room is dark and you can't see how =
old I am.
Accommodations are always being made to those who speak in other =
tongues.
The Hands-On Workshop is very real and very now, and if you want to get =
your hands into some good 1877 Canadian dirt, just drop in any Saturday =
or Sunday (or other days by appointment) to the Grist Mill at Keremeos, =
BC. New industrial archaeological discoveries guaranteed (almost) =
every weekend.
And yes, Ralph, I did go walk in my very first Peace March on Sunday, =
and ended up getting pissed off that the speakers at City Hall only =
trashed Bush and not Sad. Hus., and mostly because they didn't really =
spend much time promoting Peace as a different way of doing things. On =
the other hand, there were ten times as many people out marching down =
Main Street as the organizers expected, lots of first timers, and most =
seemed to feel the same way I did when the "official" speakers took over =
the mike. No point just replacing one war with another. All the =
same, lots of support here for Amnesty International's critique of Sad. =
Hus. and UN force as the best means to solve it. Lots of also =
sentiments about how come the 1st world and UN overlooks the Isra/Pal =
stupidity and all the other outrages against humanity.
Damn, it is hard not to become cynical. My favourite cartoon is from =
Peanuts and shows Lucy sitting at a table, with Linus watching. The =
first frames have her beginning to clench her hands. Later ones show =
her face getting red. No words are said. The last frames show smoke =
coming our of her ears and a bright red faced straight grimace of teeth, =
and then Linus speaks, asking "What's going on, Lucy?" "I'M BEING =
PATIENT ! ! ! ! !" she replies.
cp being peaceful in bc
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Wood=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Save some money and come to BC where I will =
conduct a=20
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there be=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ah Yes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I suppose the <U>date</U> will be when =
the Cdn $=20
returns to its real value. ( I guess I was recalling how =
hesitant=20
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holidays to the=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are always <U>slides</U>, that =
way the room=20
is dark and you can't see how old I am.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><U>Accommodations</U> are always being =
made to=20
those who speak in other tongues.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The <U>Hands-On Workshop</U> is very =
real and very=20
now, and if you want to get your hands into some good 1877 Canadian =
dirt,=20
just drop in any Saturday or Sunday (or other days by =
appointment) to=20
the Grist Mill at Keremeos, BC. New industrial =
archaeological=20
discoveries guaranteed (almost) every weekend.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And yes, Ralph, I did go walk in my =
very first=20
<U>Peace March</U> on Sunday, and ended up getting pissed=20
off that the speakers at City Hall only trashed Bush and not Sad. =
Hus., and=20
mostly because they didn't really spend much time promoting Peace as a =
different=20
way of doing things. On the other hand, there were ten times =
as many=20
people out marching down Main Street as the organizers expected, lots of =
first=20
timers, and most seemed to feel the same way I did when the =
"official"=20
speakers took over the mike. No point just replacing one war =
with=20
another. All the same, lots of support here for Amnesty=20
International's critique of Sad. Hus. and UN force as the best means to =
solve=20
it. Lots of also sentiments about how come the 1st =
world and=20
UN overlooks the Isra/Pal stupidity and all the other outrages =
against=20
humanity.</FONT></DIV>
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table,=20
with Linus watching. The first frames have her beginning to clench =
her=20
hands. Later ones show her face getting red. No words =
are=20
said. The last frames show smoke coming our of her ears and a =
bright red=20
faced straight grimace of teeth, and then Linus speaks, asking "What's =
going on,=20
Lucy?" "I'M BEING PATIENT ! ! ! ! !" she replies.</FONT></DIV>
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In a message dated 2/18/2003 9:12:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Isn't amazing how many people manage to find someone to
> pair up with! -jc
John,
You'd think it would be easier to find matching socks in your own dryer. But nooooooooo..........
Or are our sock standards higher than our marital standards?
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> There's a Mrs. Steve? Eeeewwwwww.
>
Yes, there is and she is a wood leg, glass eyed smart ass. Eeeewwwww is
right.
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n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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rial" LANG=3D"0">There's a Mrs. Steve? Eeeewwwwww.<BR>
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Define "easier". It certainly was and is less tedious.
On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:44 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/18/2003 9:12:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>> Isn't amazing how many people manage to find someone to
>> pair up with! -jc
>
> John,
>
> You'd think it would be easier to find matching socks in your own
> dryer. But nooooooooo..........
>
> Or are our sock standards higher than our marital standards?
>
> Ralph
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In a message dated 2/18/2003 9:13:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> ended up getting pissed off that the speakers at City Hall only trashed Bush and not Sad. Hus., and mostly because they didn't really spend much time promoting Peace as a different
> way of doing things.
Cuyler,
Yes, indeedy, this is the part that torques my shorts: Where all these nominally peace-loving types are so quick to condemn the US and whatever portions of the 1st world happen to side with us, and ignore the fact that the people (uh, excuse me, the governments) we're in conflict with are not all exactly Mother Teresa.
Then again, even I will admit that one could legitimately argue that it would be nice if some of the people (uh, I mean governments, or wanna-be governments) we support were a little (or even a lot) better human-rights wise, too.
So are you going to revise your fee schedule to reflect the current US/CAN dollar rate, or stick to what your father objected to 1000 years ago?
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/18/2003 10:15:19 PM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> and ignore the fact that the people (uh, excuse me, the governments) we're
> in conflict with are not all exactly Mother Teresa.
I, for one, support the President's plan to go in and bomb Mother Teresa.
Sign me, my luck has never been as good as when I got #2 in the 1969 draft
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COM writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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ident's plan to go in and bomb Mother Teresa. <BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Sign me, my luck has n=
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> I got #2 in the 1969 draft lottery
>
Damn you people are old. I guess I will have to start referring to everyone
as sir and ma'am.
Sign me,
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I, for one, support the President's plan to go in and bomb Mother =
Teresa. =20
Sign me, my luck has never been as good as when I got #2 in the 1969 =
draft lottery
This sounds like the radio comic I heard the other day who was =
discussing the terrible suffering and poverty existing in some places in =
the world, and the eagerness of some better off folks to try to help =
out, and then suggested they try to solve the problem by feeding the =
hungry to the poor.
cp (now going out to dinner) in bc
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> So are you going to revise your fee schedule to reflect the current =
US/CAN
dollar rate, or stick to what your father objected to 1000 years ago?
>
> Ralph
Obviously the best medicine is to admit all dues payig BP'ers free as a
membership benefit. Canada just needs more Loonies.
cp in free bc
PS: a loonie is the name for a canadian dollar in case you didn't know
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<BODY><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> So are you going to revise your =
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father=20
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best=20
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benefit. Canada just needs more Loonies.<BR><BR>cp in free=20
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The way this country was designed the Pres. isn't supposed to decide at all.
The decision should come from the congress and it isn't a question of
leading but serving. These elected officials are there, in theory, to serve
their constituents. So maybe in this democracy?????, polls should account
for something. Before WW II foreign policy was decided by the northeast and
the bankers (our interests - check Smedley Butler ) and after was decided by
the southwest (oil). I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in
the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
jh
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> Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by polls? Not that
> this president has or is likely to ever pursue paths that I would
> consider good leadership, but I have been deeply swayed by Colin Powell.
>
> Before all you peaceniks jump on me, I am deeply ashamed to admit that
> I have never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve problems.
> My life experience provides more than ample proof that violence solve
> problems real good. Sometimes with less humiliation and long term
> damage than words.
>
> But I am suitably embarrassed. Please don't hurt me.
>
> -jc
>
>
> On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:26 PM, William Gould wrote:
>
> > Is it our duty?
> >
> > <Fwd; [Fwd; The White House]>
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> I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in
> the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
>
That's the only excuse the Peacenik appeasers can come up with. I guess if we
were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the oil.
Sign me,
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<BR>
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the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.<BR>
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That's the only excuse the Peacenik appeasers can come up with. I guess if w=
e were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the oil.<BR>
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So why isn't Mr. Bush going to attack N. Korea?=20
Just too chicken shit? Chickenhawk =3D Chickenshit
jh
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[log in to unmask] writes:
I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in
the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
That's the only excuse the Peacenik appeasers can come up with. I =
guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the =
oil.
Sign me,
Dirty oil, baby killer supporter
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Constitution</DIV>
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Standard Time, <A=20
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that Nam was all=20
about oil cause in<BR>the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large =
as the=20
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:08:50 EST
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On 2/19/03 3:03 AM Eastern Beauty Contestant Time, [log in to unmask]
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> Dear,
> I am mrs rose savimbi please i need your help since after the incidence
> that lead to the death of my late husband MRJONAS ESAVIMBI of unita of
> Angola I know we have not met before but I am contacting you with due sense
> of humanity responsibility and the few awareness that you will give it a
> mutual understanding
> I am soliciting for an assistance to move the sum $24 million USD to your
> country for investment
Mrs. Savimbi!! This is a hell of a coincidence, because Jonas and I tossed
back many a mug of Palm Wine when I was a Navy Seal, on leave via the CIA to
serve as your late husband's bodyguard/valet/card shuffler. Which leads me
to a difficult point, also a coincidence -- Mr. Savimbi, may his name be
praised, actually lost quite a bit of money to me the night before I left, in
a pinochle game. The amount - well, it just happened to be ... $24 million.
Please forward this amount to my Financial Officer, Mr. Cuyler Saskatchewan,
in either American dollars or loonies, as soon as it is convenient.
Sincerely, Christopher "Dime at a Grand" Gray
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e, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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I am mrs rose savimbi please i need your help since after the incidence that=
lead to the death of my late husband MRJONAS ESAVIMBI of unita of Angola I=20=
know we have not met before but I am contacting you with due sense of humani=
ty responsibility and the few awareness that you will give it a mutual under=
standing<BR>
I am soliciting for an assistance to move the sum $24 million USD to your co=
untry for investment </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Mrs. Savimbi!! This is a hell of a coincidence, because Jonas and I to=
ssed back many a mug of Palm Wine when I was a Navy Seal, on leave via the C=
IA to serve as your late husband's bodyguard/valet/card shuffler.  =
; Which leads me to a difficult point, also a coincidence -- Mr. Savimbi, ma=
y his name be praised, actually lost quite a bit of money to me the night be=
fore I left, in a pinochle game. The amount - well, it just happened t=
o be ... $24 million. Please forward this amount to my Financial Offic=
er, Mr. Cuyler Saskatchewan, in either American dollars or loonies, as soon=20=
as it is convenient. <BR>
<BR>
Sincerely, Christopher "Dime at a Grand" Gray</FONT></HTML>
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I guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the oil.
More likely it would be for the water. ][<en
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In a message dated 2/19/03 6:53:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in the gulf of Tonkin
> are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
Yeah, Jim, so what happened to that theory? Seems like we are still wasting
gas, even though the Cong won. Best, Christopher
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andard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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s all about oil cause in the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the=
Saudi's.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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the night before I left, in a pinochle game. The amount - well, it just
happened to be ... $24 million.
Christopher: Sounds as if we have here a reincarnation of the venerable
Flashman. Are these epic responses being collected for a future anthology?
They should be. ][<en
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p; The amount - well, it just happened to be ... $24 million.</BLOCKQUOTE></=
FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 F=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Christopher: Sounds as if we have here a reincarnation of the venerable Flas=
hman. Are these epic responses being collected for a future anthology? They=20=
should be. ][<en</FONT></HTML>
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In a message dated 2/19/03 8:17:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Are these epic responses being collected for a future anthology?
No, but the strange thing is I reply to almost all I get (often quite
"seriously") and ... I never get a reply. C
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andard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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collected for a future anthology?</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BA=
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usly") and ... I never get a reply. C </FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 07:11:00 -0600
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
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If his old man got lambasted for not finishing the job when he had
Sadam by the short and curlies...surely someone on the staff is smart
enough to advise him not to get distracted. It may be that there are
more than one adversary to deal with. And North Korea may be arguably
a more significant threat. But that doesn't mean Sadam is not a
threat. And if we must do this alone...or nearly alone...isn't one at
a time better than all at once?
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 06:31 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> So why isn't Mr. Bush going to attack N. Korea?
> Just too chicken shit? Chickenhawk = Chickenshit
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:53:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in
> the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
>
>
>
> That's the only excuse the Peacenik appeasers can come up with. I
> guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the
> oil.
>
> Sign me,
> Dirty oil, baby killer supporter
>
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If his old man got lambasted for not finishing the job when he had
Sadam by the short and curlies...surely someone on the staff is smart
enough to advise him not to get distracted. It may be that there are
more than one adversary to deal with. And North Korea may be arguably
a more significant threat. But that doesn't mean Sadam is not a
threat. And if we must do this alone...or nearly alone...isn't one at
a time better than all at once?
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 06:31 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>So why isn't Mr.
Bush going to attack N. Korea?</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Just too chicken shit?
Chickenhawk = Chickenshit</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>jh</smaller></fontfamily>
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<bold>From:</bold>
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>[log in to unmask]</color></underline>
<bold>To:</bold>
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>[log in to unmask]</color></underline>
<bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:14 AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
<fontfamily><param>Comic Sans MS</param>In a message dated 2/19/2003
6:53:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>[log in to unmask]</color></underline>
writes:
</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>I
heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in
the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
</smaller></color></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Comic Sans MS</param>
<color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>That's the only excuse the
Peacenik appeasers can come up with. I guess if we were to attack an
enemy in Antarctica it would be for the oil.
Sign me,
Dirty oil, baby killer supporter</color></fontfamily>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 07:16:49 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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The president is the commander in chief. There certainly are decisions
he is required to make. The Congress pays the bills and advises and
sometimes consents. One certainly can serve and lead at the same time.
And I hope many will. The ones who keep checking to see which way the
wind blows drive me nutz. Lead, follow or get out of the way and let
someone else do it.
We are creeping up on a personal peeve. I'm discusted by
representatives who go to washington to do what is good for
Minnesota...and locals who go to saint Paul to do what is good for the
city. Damn it, I want senators and representatives to do what is good
for the U.S. Not only when its good for Minnesota...but especially
when its bad. That's called courage, conviction and leadership. Maybe
he won't get reelected...is that so bad?
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 05:53 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> The way this country was designed the Pres. isn't supposed to decide
> at all.
> The decision should come from the congress and it isn't a question of
> leading but serving. These elected officials are there, in theory, to
> serve
> their constituents. So maybe in this democracy?????, polls should
> account
> for something. Before WW II foreign policy was decided by the
> northeast and
> the bankers (our interests - check Smedley Butler ) and after was
> decided by
> the southwest (oil). I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil
> cause in
> the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
> jh
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Callan" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response
>
>
>> Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by polls? Not that
>> this president has or is likely to ever pursue paths that I would
>> consider good leadership, but I have been deeply swayed by Colin
>> Powell.
>>
>> Before all you peaceniks jump on me, I am deeply ashamed to admit that
>> I have never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve problems.
>> My life experience provides more than ample proof that violence solve
>> problems real good. Sometimes with less humiliation and long term
>> damage than words.
>>
>> But I am suitably embarrassed. Please don't hurt me.
>>
>> -jc
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:26 PM, William Gould wrote:
>>
>>> Is it our duty?
>>>
>>> <Fwd; [Fwd; The White House]>
>>
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 7:32:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> So why isn't Mr. Bush going to attack N. Korea?
> Just too chicken shit? Chickenhawk = Chickenshit
>
Well, first he has to rebuild the military that your man Bill Clinton
practically dismantled. Let us hope that N. Korea is only blowing hot air
about their nukes that your hero funded and helped them to develop. Spineless
appeasers = the real chickenshits. Plus Bush would not want to overwhelm the
appeasers. They're too busy polishing Iraqi sausage right now. After they
finish that they will then be able to move on to some Korean sausage. Saddam
Hussein and Kim Jong really appreciate your concern for their safety. I have
an excellent idea, why don't all of you appeasers take a one way flight to
Baghdad and become human shields.
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n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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enhawk =3D Chickenshit</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-CO=
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Well, first he has to rebuild the military that your man Bill Clinton practi=
cally dismantled. Let us hope that N. Korea is only blowing hot air about th=
eir nukes that your hero funded and helped them to develop. Spineless appeas=
ers =3D the real chickenshits. Plus Bush would not want to overwhelm the app=
easers. They're too busy polishing Iraqi sausage right now. After they finis=
h that they will then be able to move on to some Korean sausage. Saddam Huss=
ein and Kim Jong really appreciate your concern for their safety. I have an=20=
excellent idea, why don't all of you appeasers take a one way flight to Bagh=
dad and become human shields.<BR>
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It seems to me that the Saudi's are more of a threat since they were the =
majority or the hijackers and funders of terrorism and since they don't =
have wmd's it would be prudent to attack them also since we already have =
troops there. SH is a bit of a shit but he's "our shit".
Also we should take Kuait and get some of those gold toilet bowls.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Callan=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
If his old man got lambasted for not finishing the job when he had =
Sadam by the short and curlies...surely someone on the staff is smart =
enough to advise him not to get distracted. It may be that there are =
more than one adversary to deal with. And North Korea may be arguably a =
more significant threat. But that doesn't mean Sadam is not a threat. =
And if we must do this alone...or nearly alone...isn't one at a time =
better than all at once?
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 06:31 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
So why isn't Mr. Bush going to attack N. Korea?
Just too chicken shit? Chickenhawk =3D Chickenshit
jh
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Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:53:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in
the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
That's the only excuse the Peacenik appeasers can come up with. I =
guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the =
oil.
Sign me,
Dirty oil, baby killer supporter
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It seems to me that the Saudi's are =
more of a=20
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terrorism and since they don't have wmd's it would be prudent to attack =
them=20
also since we already have troops there. SH is a bit of a shit but he's =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also we should take Kuait and get =
some of=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jh</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] =
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Callan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 19, =
2003 8:11=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response =
&=20
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<DIV><BR></DIV>If his old man got lambasted for not finishing the job =
when he=20
had Sadam by the short and curlies...surely someone on the staff is =
smart=20
enough to advise him not to get distracted. It may be that there are =
more than=20
one adversary to deal with. And North Korea may be arguably a more =
significant=20
threat. But that doesn't mean Sadam is not a threat. And if we must do =
this=20
alone...or nearly alone...isn't one at a time better than all at=20
once?<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR>On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 06:31 AM, =
Jim=20
Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>So why isn't Mr. Bush =
going=20
to attack N. Korea?<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>Just=20
too chicken shit? Chickenhawk =3D =
Chickenshit<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>jh<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>-----=20
Original Message -----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
<U><?color><?param =
1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color></U><BR><B>To:</B>=20
<U><?color><?param =
1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color></U><BR>=
<B>Sent:</B>=20
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:14 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq =
response=20
& Constitution<BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Comic Sans MS>In a =
message=20
dated 2/19/2003 6:53:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, <U><?color><?param =
1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color></U>=20
writes:<BR><BR><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><?smaller>I=20
heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in<BR>the gulf of =
Tonkin=20
are oil reserves as large as the =
Saudi's.<BR><?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Comic =
Sans MS><BR><BR><BR><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>That's=20
the only excuse the Peacenik appeasers can come up with. I guess if =
we were=20
to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the =
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me,<BR>Dirty oil, baby killer=20
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:34:51 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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I realy, realy don't know what the f you are trying to say.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Met History=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/03 6:53:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in the gulf of =
Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
Yeah, Jim, so what happened to that theory? Seems like we are still =
wasting gas, even though the Cong won. Best, Christopher
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<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Met =
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2003 8:12=20
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&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
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Time, <A =
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face=3DArial=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
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of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the=20
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:36:49 EST
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:34:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> It seems to me that the Saudi's are more of a threat since they were the
> majority or the hijackers and funders of terrorism and since they don't
> have wmd's it would be prudent to attack them also since we already have
> troops there.
I agree 100%. We can no longer trust the Saudi's.
Steve
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n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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rial" LANG=3D"0">It seems to me that the Saudi's are more of a threat since=20=
they were the majority or the hijackers and funders of terrorism and since t=
hey don't have wmd's it would be prudent to attack them also since we alread=
y have troops there.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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I agree 100%. We can no longer trust the Saudi's.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 07:36:12 -0600
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Also if I remember correctly some of the 911 terrorist entered through
canada, so we might as well bomb the hell out of canada, and while we are
at it lets wipe logan airport off the map so that no more planes leaving
that airport can be highjacked
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hicks [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:33 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
It seems to me that the Saudi's are more of a threat since they were the
majority or the hijackers and funders of terrorism and since they don't have
wmd's it would be prudent to attack them also since we already have troops
there. SH is a bit of a shit but he's "our shit".
Also we should take Kuait and get some of those gold toilet bowls.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: John Callan <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
If his old man got lambasted for not finishing the job when he had Sadam by
the short and curlies...surely someone on the staff is smart enough to
advise him not to get distracted. It may be that there are more than one
adversary to deal with. And North Korea may be arguably a more significant
threat. But that doesn't mean Sadam is not a threat. And if we must do this
alone...or nearly alone...isn't one at a time better than all at once?
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 06:31 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>So why isn't Mr. Bush going to attack
N. Korea?<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Just too chicken shit? Chickenhawk =
Chickenshit<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>jh<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
----- Original Message -----
From: <?color><?param 1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color>
To: <?color><?param
1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
<?fontfamily><?param Comic Sans MS>In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:53:27 AM
Eastern Standard Time, <?color><?param
1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color> writes:
<?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param
0000,0000,0000><?smaller>I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil
cause in
the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param Comic Sans MS>
<?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>That's the only excuse the Peacenik appeasers
can come up with. I guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it
would be for the oil.
Sign me,
Dirty oil, baby killer supporter<?/color><?/fontfamily>
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airport can=20
be highjacked</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jim Hicks=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February =
19, 2003=20
7:33 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq =
response=20
& Constitution<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It seems to me that the Saudi's are =
more of a=20
threat since they were the majority or the hijackers and funders =
of=20
terrorism and since they don't have wmd's it would be prudent to =
attack them=20
also since we already have troops there. SH is a bit of a shit but =
he's "our=20
shit".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also we should take Kuait and =
get some of=20
those gold toilet bowls.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jh</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask]
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">John Callan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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<DIV><BR></DIV>If his old man got lambasted for not finishing the =
job when=20
he had Sadam by the short and curlies...surely someone on the staff =
is smart=20
enough to advise him not to get distracted. It may be that there =
are more=20
than one adversary to deal with. And North Korea may be arguably a =
more=20
significant threat. But that doesn't mean Sadam is not a threat. =
And if we=20
must do this alone...or nearly alone...isn't one at a time better =
than all=20
at once?<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR>On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at =
06:31 AM, Jim=20
Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>So why isn't Mr. =
Bush=20
going to attack N. =
Korea?<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>Just=20
too chicken shit? Chickenhawk =3D =
Chickenshit<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>jh<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>-----=20
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Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:14 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq =
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& Constitution<BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Comic Sans MS>In a =
message=20
dated 2/19/2003 6:53:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
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writes:<BR><BR><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000><?smaller>I=20
heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in<BR>the gulf =
of=20
Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the =
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the only excuse the Peacenik appeasers can come up with. I guess =
if we=20
were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the =
oil.<BR><BR>Sign=20
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:40:14 -0500
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That he won't get to steal the next election isn't so bad but in your
senario who gets to decide what's good for the US? Your frustration with all
politics being local just goes with the territory. If you want central
planning go back to Russia where you belong.
jh
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
> The president is the commander in chief. There certainly are decisions
> he is required to make. The Congress pays the bills and advises and
> sometimes consents. One certainly can serve and lead at the same time.
> And I hope many will. The ones who keep checking to see which way the
> wind blows drive me nutz. Lead, follow or get out of the way and let
> someone else do it.
>
> We are creeping up on a personal peeve. I'm discusted by
> representatives who go to washington to do what is good for
> Minnesota...and locals who go to saint Paul to do what is good for the
> city. Damn it, I want senators and representatives to do what is good
> for the U.S. Not only when its good for Minnesota...but especially
> when its bad. That's called courage, conviction and leadership. Maybe
> he won't get reelected...is that so bad?
>
> -jc
>
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 05:53 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> > The way this country was designed the Pres. isn't supposed to decide
> > at all.
> > The decision should come from the congress and it isn't a question of
> > leading but serving. These elected officials are there, in theory, to
> > serve
> > their constituents. So maybe in this democracy?????, polls should
> > account
> > for something. Before WW II foreign policy was decided by the
> > northeast and
> > the bankers (our interests - check Smedley Butler ) and after was
> > decided by
> > the southwest (oil). I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil
> > cause in
> > the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
> > jh
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Callan" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: Iraq response
> >
> >
> >> Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by polls? Not that
> >> this president has or is likely to ever pursue paths that I would
> >> consider good leadership, but I have been deeply swayed by Colin
> >> Powell.
> >>
> >> Before all you peaceniks jump on me, I am deeply ashamed to admit that
> >> I have never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve problems.
> >> My life experience provides more than ample proof that violence solve
> >> problems real good. Sometimes with less humiliation and long term
> >> damage than words.
> >>
> >> But I am suitably embarrassed. Please don't hurt me.
> >>
> >> -jc
> >>
> >>
> >> On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:26 PM, William Gould wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is it our duty?
> >>>
> >>> <Fwd; [Fwd; The White House]>
> >>
> >> --
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:43:13 -0500
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And Congress declares war not the Pres. Commander and Chief doesn't mean the
licence to declare war.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Callan" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
> The president is the commander in chief. There certainly are decisions
> he is required to make. The Congress pays the bills and advises and
> sometimes consents. One certainly can serve and lead at the same time.
> And I hope many will. The ones who keep checking to see which way the
> wind blows drive me nutz. Lead, follow or get out of the way and let
> someone else do it.
>
> We are creeping up on a personal peeve. I'm discusted by
> representatives who go to washington to do what is good for
> Minnesota...and locals who go to saint Paul to do what is good for the
> city. Damn it, I want senators and representatives to do what is good
> for the U.S. Not only when its good for Minnesota...but especially
> when its bad. That's called courage, conviction and leadership. Maybe
> he won't get reelected...is that so bad?
>
> -jc
>
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 05:53 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> > The way this country was designed the Pres. isn't supposed to decide
> > at all.
> > The decision should come from the congress and it isn't a question of
> > leading but serving. These elected officials are there, in theory, to
> > serve
> > their constituents. So maybe in this democracy?????, polls should
> > account
> > for something. Before WW II foreign policy was decided by the
> > northeast and
> > the bankers (our interests - check Smedley Butler ) and after was
> > decided by
> > the southwest (oil). I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil
> > cause in
> > the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
> > jh
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Callan" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: Iraq response
> >
> >
> >> Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by polls? Not that
> >> this president has or is likely to ever pursue paths that I would
> >> consider good leadership, but I have been deeply swayed by Colin
> >> Powell.
> >>
> >> Before all you peaceniks jump on me, I am deeply ashamed to admit that
> >> I have never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve problems.
> >> My life experience provides more than ample proof that violence solve
> >> problems real good. Sometimes with less humiliation and long term
> >> damage than words.
> >>
> >> But I am suitably embarrassed. Please don't hurt me.
> >>
> >> -jc
> >>
> >>
> >> On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:26 PM, William Gould wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is it our duty?
> >>>
> >>> <Fwd; [Fwd; The White House]>
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:51:27 -0500
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God, I was hoping somone would bring BC into all of this.
Thankyou,
jh
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Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 7:32:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
So why isn't Mr. Bush going to attack N. Korea?=20
Just too chicken shit? Chickenhawk =3D Chickenshit
Well, first he has to rebuild the military that your man Bill Clinton =
practically dismantled. Let us hope that N. Korea is only blowing hot =
air about their nukes that your hero funded and helped them to develop. =
Spineless appeasers =3D the real chickenshits. Plus Bush would not want =
to overwhelm the appeasers. They're too busy polishing Iraqi sausage =
right now. After they finish that they will then be able to move on to =
some Korean sausage. Saddam Hussein and Kim Jong really appreciate your =
concern for their safety. I have an excellent idea, why don't all of you =
appeasers take a one way flight to Baghdad and become human shields.
Steve
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>God, I was hoping somone would bring BC =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thankyou,</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask]
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AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response =
&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT">In a message dated 2/19/2003 7:32:34 AM =
Eastern=20
Standard Time, <A=20
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>=20
writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
#ffffff" face=3DArial=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">So why isn't Mr. Bush =
going to=20
attack N. Korea? </FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
#ffffff"=20
face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Just too chicken shit? Chickenhawk =3D=20
Chickenshit</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" =
face=3DArial=20
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT=20
lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT"><BR>Well, first he has to rebuild the =
military that=20
your man Bill Clinton practically dismantled. Let us hope that N. =
Korea is=20
only blowing hot air about their nukes that your hero funded and =
helped them=20
to develop. Spineless appeasers =3D the real chickenshits. Plus Bush =
would not=20
want to overwhelm the appeasers. They're too busy polishing Iraqi =
sausage=20
right now. After they finish that they will then be able to move on to =
some=20
Korean sausage. Saddam Hussein and Kim Jong really appreciate your =
concern for=20
their safety. I have an excellent idea, why don't all of you appeasers =
take a=20
one way flight to Baghdad and become human =
shields.<BR><BR>Steve</FONT>=20
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:53:14 -0500
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Right the f on. Bomb them all and let god sort it out.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Score, Robert=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Also if I remember correctly some of the 911 terrorist entered through =
canada, so we might as well bomb the hell out of canada, and while we =
are at it lets wipe logan airport off the map so that no more planes =
leaving that airport can be highjacked
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hicks [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:33 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
It seems to me that the Saudi's are more of a threat since they were =
the majority or the hijackers and funders of terrorism and since they =
don't have wmd's it would be prudent to attack them also since we =
already have troops there. SH is a bit of a shit but he's "our shit".
Also we should take Kuait and get some of those gold toilet bowls.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Callan=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
If his old man got lambasted for not finishing the job when he had =
Sadam by the short and curlies...surely someone on the staff is smart =
enough to advise him not to get distracted. It may be that there are =
more than one adversary to deal with. And North Korea may be arguably a =
more significant threat. But that doesn't mean Sadam is not a threat. =
And if we must do this alone...or nearly alone...isn't one at a time =
better than all at once?
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 06:31 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
So why isn't Mr. Bush going to attack N. Korea?
Just too chicken shit? Chickenhawk =3D Chickenshit
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:53:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in
the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
That's the only excuse the Peacenik appeasers can come up with. =
I guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the =
oil.
Sign me,
Dirty oil, baby killer supporter
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Right the f on. Bomb them all and let =
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<A [log in to unmask]
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D20323413-19022003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Also=20
if I remember correctly some of the 911 terrorist entered through =
canada, so=20
we might as well bomb the hell out of canada, and while we are =
at it=20
lets wipe logan airport off the map so that no more planes leaving =
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February =
19, 2003=20
7:33 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
[log in to unmask]</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: Iraq response & Constitution<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It seems to me that the Saudi's are =
more of a=20
threat since they were the majority or the hijackers and =
funders of=20
terrorism and since they don't have wmd's it would be prudent to =
attack them=20
also since we already have troops there. SH is a bit of a shit but =
he's "our=20
shit".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also we should take Kuait and =
get some of=20
those gold toilet bowls.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jh</FONT></DIV>
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</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A [log in to unmask]
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">John Callan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
=
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</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February =
19, 2003=20
8:11 AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response =
&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>If his old man got lambasted for not finishing the =
job when=20
he had Sadam by the short and curlies...surely someone on the =
staff is=20
smart enough to advise him not to get distracted. It may be that =
there are=20
more than one adversary to deal with. And North Korea may be =
arguably a=20
more significant threat. But that doesn't mean Sadam is not a =
threat. And=20
if we must do this alone...or nearly alone...isn't one at a time =
better=20
than all at once?<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR>On Wednesday, February 19, =
2003, at=20
06:31 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>So why isn't Mr. =
Bush=20
going to attack N. =
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too chicken shit? Chickenhawk =3D =
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heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in<BR>the =
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the only excuse the Peacenik appeasers can come up with. I guess =
if we=20
were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the=20
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God, I was hoping somone would bring BC into all of this.
Thankyou,
jh
Your quite welcome.
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My affection for the Saudi's and others of the region has never=20
amounted to much. I must be an isolationist at heart, I keep thinking=20=
its time we kissed and made up with the Mexicans. After all, we have=20
strong an continuing and even healthy family ties.
But others may be looking for more problems to deal with, I'm not. =20
Sadam is the problem at hand. And we may stand alone. North Korea is=20=
a problem that needs to be dealt with soon. The Saudi's may or may not=20=
be a problem...I can't tell. I'll take your word for it. Lead.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 07:33 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> It seems to me that the Saudi's are more of a threat since they were=20=
> the majority=A0or the hijackers and funders of terrorism and since =
they=20
> don't have wmd's it would be prudent to attack them also since we=20
> already have troops there. SH is a bit of a shit but he's "our shit".
> Also we should=A0take Kuait and get some of those gold toilet bowls.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> If his old man got lambasted for not finishing the job when he had=20
> Sadam by the short and curlies...surely someone on the staff is smart=20=
> enough to advise him not to get distracted. It may be that there are=20=
> more than one adversary to deal with. And North Korea may be arguably=20=
> a more significant threat. But that doesn't mean Sadam is not a=20
> threat. And if we must do this alone...or nearly alone...isn't one at=20=
> a time better than all at once?
>
> -jc
>
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 06:31 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> So why isn't Mr. Bush going to attack N. Korea?
> Just too chicken shit? Chickenhawk =3D Chickenshit
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:53:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in
> the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
>
>
>
> That's the only excuse the Peacenik appeasers can come up with. I=20
> guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the=20=
> oil.
>
> Sign me,
> Dirty oil, baby killer supporter
>
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My affection for the Saudi's and others of the region has never
amounted to much. I must be an isolationist at heart, I keep thinking
its time we kissed and made up with the Mexicans. After all, we have
strong an continuing and even healthy family ties.
But others may be looking for more problems to deal with, I'm not.=20
Sadam is the problem at hand. And we may stand alone. North Korea is
a problem that needs to be dealt with soon. The Saudi's may or may
not be a problem...I can't tell. I'll take your word for it. Lead.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 07:33 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>It seems to me that
the Saudi's are more of a threat since they were the majority=A0or the
hijackers and funders of terrorism and since they don't have wmd's it
would be prudent to attack them also since we already have troops
there. SH is a bit of a shit but he's "our shit".</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Also we should=A0take Kuait and
get some of those gold toilet bowls.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>jh</smaller></fontfamily>
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>John
Callan</color></underline>
<bold>To:</bold>
=
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS@MAELSTR=
OM.STJOHNS.EDU</color></underline>
<bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:11 AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
If his old man got lambasted for not finishing the job when he had
Sadam by the short and curlies...surely someone on the staff is smart
enough to advise him not to get distracted. It may be that there are
more than one adversary to deal with. And North Korea may be arguably
a more significant threat. But that doesn't mean Sadam is not a
threat. And if we must do this alone...or nearly alone...isn't one at
a time better than all at once?
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 06:31 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
So why isn't Mr. Bush going to attack N. Korea?
Just too chicken shit? Chickenhawk =3D Chickenshit
jh
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline>[log in to unmask]
</underline><bold>To:</bold>
<underline>[log in to unmask]
</underline><bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:14 AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:53:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<underline>[log in to unmask]</underline> writes:
I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in
the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
That's the only excuse the Peacenik appeasers can come up with. I
guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the
oil.
Sign me,
Dirty oil, baby killer supporter
</excerpt>=
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Not the Canadians?! How cruel and thoughtless! Who else could=20
tolerate us?
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 07:36 AM, Score, Robert wrote:
> Also if I remember correctly some of the 911 terrorist entered through=20=
> canada, so we might as well bomb the hell out of canada,=A0 and while =
we=20
> are at it lets wipe logan airport off the map so that no more planes=20=
> leaving that airport can be highjacked
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hicks [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:33 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> It seems to me that the Saudi's are more of a threat since they were=20=
> the majority=A0or the hijackers and funders of terrorism and since =
they=20
> don't have wmd's it would be prudent to attack them also since we=20
> already have troops there. SH is a bit of a shit but he's "our shit".
> Also we should=A0take Kuait and get some of those gold toilet bowls.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> If his old man got lambasted for not finishing the job when he had=20
> Sadam by the short and curlies...surely someone on the staff is smart=20=
> enough to advise him not to get distracted. It may be that there are=20=
> more than one adversary to deal with. And North Korea may be arguably=20=
> a more significant threat. But that doesn't mean Sadam is not a=20
> threat. And if we must do this alone...or nearly alone...isn't one at=20=
> a time better than all at once?
>
> -jc
>
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 06:31 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> So why isn't Mr. Bush going to attack N. Korea?
> Just too chicken shit? Chickenhawk =3D Chickenshit
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:53:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in
> the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
>
>
>
> That's the only excuse the Peacenik appeasers can come up with. I=20
> guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the=20=
> oil.
>
> Sign me,
> Dirty oil, baby killer supporter
>
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Not the Canadians?! How cruel and thoughtless! Who else could
tolerate us?
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 07:36 AM, Score, Robert wrote:
=
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</par=
am><smaller>Also
if I remember correctly some of the 911 terrorist entered through
canada, so we might as well bomb the hell out of canada,=A0 and while we
are at it lets wipe logan airport off the map so that no more planes
leaving that airport can be highjacked</smaller></color></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param><smaller>-----Original
Message-----
<bold>From:</bold> Jim Hicks [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
<bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:33 AM
<bold>To:</bold> [log in to unmask]
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
</smaller></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>It
seems to me that the Saudi's are more of a threat since they were the
majority=A0or the hijackers and funders of terrorism and since they
don't have wmd's it would be prudent to attack them also since we
already have troops there. SH is a bit of a shit but he's "our =
shit".</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Also we should=A0take Kuait and
get some of those gold toilet bowls.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>jh</smaller></fontfamily>
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>John
Callan</color></underline>
<bold>To:</bold>
=
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS@MAELSTR=
OM.STJOHNS.EDU</color></underline>
<bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:11 AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
If his old man got lambasted for not finishing the job when he had
Sadam by the short and curlies...surely someone on the staff is smart
enough to advise him not to get distracted. It may be that there are
more than one adversary to deal with. And North Korea may be arguably
a more significant threat. But that doesn't mean Sadam is not a
threat. And if we must do this alone...or nearly alone...isn't one at
a time better than all at once?
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 06:31 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
So why isn't Mr. Bush going to attack N. Korea?
Just too chicken shit? Chickenhawk =3D Chickenshit
jh
----- Original Message -----
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</underline><bold>To:</bold>
<underline>[log in to unmask]
</underline><bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:14 AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:53:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<underline>[log in to unmask]</underline> writes:
I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil cause in
the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
That's the only excuse the Peacenik appeasers can come up with. I
guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the
oil.
Sign me,
Dirty oil, baby killer supporter
</excerpt>=
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Nobody's said anything like that to me in a long time! For too long
everyone has been complaining about my drift to the right! I have to
listen to Rush L now and then just to make sure I he doesn't make any
sense...sort of check my bearings. He makes a good bouy.
I belong here. Don't piss me off.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 07:40 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> That he won't get to steal the next election isn't so bad but in your
> senario who gets to decide what's good for the US? Your frustration
> with all
> politics being local just goes with the territory. If you want central
> planning go back to Russia where you belong.
> jh
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Callan" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
>
>> The president is the commander in chief. There certainly are
>> decisions
>> he is required to make. The Congress pays the bills and advises and
>> sometimes consents. One certainly can serve and lead at the same
>> time.
>> And I hope many will. The ones who keep checking to see which way
>> the
>> wind blows drive me nutz. Lead, follow or get out of the way and let
>> someone else do it.
>>
>> We are creeping up on a personal peeve. I'm discusted by
>> representatives who go to washington to do what is good for
>> Minnesota...and locals who go to saint Paul to do what is good for the
>> city. Damn it, I want senators and representatives to do what is good
>> for the U.S. Not only when its good for Minnesota...but especially
>> when its bad. That's called courage, conviction and leadership.
>> Maybe
>> he won't get reelected...is that so bad?
>>
>> -jc
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 05:53 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>>
>>> The way this country was designed the Pres. isn't supposed to decide
>>> at all.
>>> The decision should come from the congress and it isn't a question of
>>> leading but serving. These elected officials are there, in theory, to
>>> serve
>>> their constituents. So maybe in this democracy?????, polls should
>>> account
>>> for something. Before WW II foreign policy was decided by the
>>> northeast and
>>> the bankers (our interests - check Smedley Butler ) and after was
>>> decided by
>>> the southwest (oil). I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil
>>> cause in
>>> the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
>>> jh
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John Callan" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Iraq response
>>>
>>>
>>>> Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by polls? Not that
>>>> this president has or is likely to ever pursue paths that I would
>>>> consider good leadership, but I have been deeply swayed by Colin
>>>> Powell.
>>>>
>>>> Before all you peaceniks jump on me, I am deeply ashamed to admit
>>>> that
>>>> I have never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve problems.
>>>> My life experience provides more than ample proof that violence
>>>> solve
>>>> problems real good. Sometimes with less humiliation and long term
>>>> damage than words.
>>>>
>>>> But I am suitably embarrassed. Please don't hurt me.
>>>>
>>>> -jc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:26 PM, William Gould wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is it our duty?
>>>>>
>>>>> <Fwd; [Fwd; The White House]>
>>>>
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I agree. I think.
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 07:43 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> And Congress declares war not the Pres. Commander and Chief doesn't
> mean the
> licence to declare war.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Callan" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
>
>> The president is the commander in chief. There certainly are
>> decisions
>> he is required to make. The Congress pays the bills and advises and
>> sometimes consents. One certainly can serve and lead at the same
>> time.
>> And I hope many will. The ones who keep checking to see which way
>> the
>> wind blows drive me nutz. Lead, follow or get out of the way and let
>> someone else do it.
>>
>> We are creeping up on a personal peeve. I'm discusted by
>> representatives who go to washington to do what is good for
>> Minnesota...and locals who go to saint Paul to do what is good for the
>> city. Damn it, I want senators and representatives to do what is good
>> for the U.S. Not only when its good for Minnesota...but especially
>> when its bad. That's called courage, conviction and leadership.
>> Maybe
>> he won't get reelected...is that so bad?
>>
>> -jc
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 05:53 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>>
>>> The way this country was designed the Pres. isn't supposed to decide
>>> at all.
>>> The decision should come from the congress and it isn't a question of
>>> leading but serving. These elected officials are there, in theory, to
>>> serve
>>> their constituents. So maybe in this democracy?????, polls should
>>> account
>>> for something. Before WW II foreign policy was decided by the
>>> northeast and
>>> the bankers (our interests - check Smedley Butler ) and after was
>>> decided by
>>> the southwest (oil). I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil
>>> cause in
>>> the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
>>> jh
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John Callan" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Iraq response
>>>
>>>
>>>> Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by polls? Not that
>>>> this president has or is likely to ever pursue paths that I would
>>>> consider good leadership, but I have been deeply swayed by Colin
>>>> Powell.
>>>>
>>>> Before all you peaceniks jump on me, I am deeply ashamed to admit
>>>> that
>>>> I have never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve problems.
>>>> My life experience provides more than ample proof that violence
>>>> solve
>>>> problems real good. Sometimes with less humiliation and long term
>>>> damage than words.
>>>>
>>>> But I am suitably embarrassed. Please don't hurt me.
>>>>
>>>> -jc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:26 PM, William Gould wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is it our duty?
>>>>>
>>>>> <Fwd; [Fwd; The White House]>
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:41:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> That he won't get to steal the next election isn't so bad but in your
> senario who gets to decide what's good for the US?
I guess the elections of Nov. 2002 when all of those Democrats were kicked to
the curb were also stolen by Republicans?
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n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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ut in your<BR>
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In a message dated 2/19/03 8:54:13 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Right the f on. Bomb them all and let god sort it out.
>
Or, we could bomb God.
Yrs devotedly,
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The Demlicans got what they deserved, as did we. But I don't see how the =
elections of 2002 are eqivalent to the voting eregularities that G.B's =
bro pulled off in Fla. Don't get me wrong, I think the Dems are a bunch =
of dickless (or pussiewhipped) wonders.
jh
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That he won't get to steal the next election isn't so bad but in =
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or we could gomb, bog.
i'm having such a good time i think i'm going to drop a log.
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Right the f on. Bomb them all and let god sort it out.=20
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:44:00 EST
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Jim,
You mean you're not Dumdacrat?
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:48:05 -0500
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I don't think you're commie, I just think you don't understand the
constitution.
There is too much central planning going on as it is at the present, ie
Dickless Cheany (who i've decided is the antichrist) making policy with
industrilists whitout oversite, while being on the gov payroll and then
refusing to devulge the members of that cabal.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Callan" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
> Nobody's said anything like that to me in a long time! For too long
> everyone has been complaining about my drift to the right! I have to
> listen to Rush L now and then just to make sure I he doesn't make any
> sense...sort of check my bearings. He makes a good bouy.
>
> I belong here. Don't piss me off.
>
> -jc
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 07:40 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> > That he won't get to steal the next election isn't so bad but in your
> > senario who gets to decide what's good for the US? Your frustration
> > with all
> > politics being local just goes with the territory. If you want central
> > planning go back to Russia where you belong.
> > jh
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Callan" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
> >
> >
> >> The president is the commander in chief. There certainly are
> >> decisions
> >> he is required to make. The Congress pays the bills and advises and
> >> sometimes consents. One certainly can serve and lead at the same
> >> time.
> >> And I hope many will. The ones who keep checking to see which way
> >> the
> >> wind blows drive me nutz. Lead, follow or get out of the way and let
> >> someone else do it.
> >>
> >> We are creeping up on a personal peeve. I'm discusted by
> >> representatives who go to washington to do what is good for
> >> Minnesota...and locals who go to saint Paul to do what is good for the
> >> city. Damn it, I want senators and representatives to do what is good
> >> for the U.S. Not only when its good for Minnesota...but especially
> >> when its bad. That's called courage, conviction and leadership.
> >> Maybe
> >> he won't get reelected...is that so bad?
> >>
> >> -jc
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 05:53 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> >>
> >>> The way this country was designed the Pres. isn't supposed to decide
> >>> at all.
> >>> The decision should come from the congress and it isn't a question of
> >>> leading but serving. These elected officials are there, in theory, to
> >>> serve
> >>> their constituents. So maybe in this democracy?????, polls should
> >>> account
> >>> for something. Before WW II foreign policy was decided by the
> >>> northeast and
> >>> the bankers (our interests - check Smedley Butler ) and after was
> >>> decided by
> >>> the southwest (oil). I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil
> >>> cause in
> >>> the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
> >>> jh
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "John Callan" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:54 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Iraq response
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by polls? Not that
> >>>> this president has or is likely to ever pursue paths that I would
> >>>> consider good leadership, but I have been deeply swayed by Colin
> >>>> Powell.
> >>>>
> >>>> Before all you peaceniks jump on me, I am deeply ashamed to admit
> >>>> that
> >>>> I have never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve problems.
> >>>> My life experience provides more than ample proof that violence
> >>>> solve
> >>>> problems real good. Sometimes with less humiliation and long term
> >>>> damage than words.
> >>>>
> >>>> But I am suitably embarrassed. Please don't hurt me.
> >>>>
> >>>> -jc
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:26 PM, William Gould wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Is it our duty?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <Fwd; [Fwd; The White House]>
> >>>>
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In a message dated 2/19/03 11:39:57 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Don't get me wrong, I think the Dems are a bunch of ****less (or
> *******whipped) wonders.
Vulgarity is the last refuge of a scoundrel - especially misspelled.
Yrs. Registered Republican
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ong, I think the Dems are a bunch of ****less (or *******whipped) wonders.</=
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So...if I agree with you about Mr. Chaney will it mean that I do
understand the constituion, or just that I don't have to be sent to the
gulag?
-jc
PS, so why stop with the Pres and the Congress? If you want direct
supervison by "the people", why not sit down at the motor vehicle
office and yell at your employees all day? Surely they could benefit
from being micromanaged.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 10:48 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> I don't think you're commie, I just think you don't understand the
> constitution.
> There is too much central planning going on as it is at the present, ie
> Dickless Cheany (who i've decided is the antichrist) making policy with
> industrilists whitout oversite, while being on the gov payroll and then
> refusing to devulge the members of that cabal.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Callan" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 9:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
>
>> Nobody's said anything like that to me in a long time! For too long
>> everyone has been complaining about my drift to the right! I have to
>> listen to Rush L now and then just to make sure I he doesn't make any
>> sense...sort of check my bearings. He makes a good bouy.
>>
>> I belong here. Don't piss me off.
>>
>> -jc
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 07:40 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>>
>>> That he won't get to steal the next election isn't so bad but in your
>>> senario who gets to decide what's good for the US? Your frustration
>>> with all
>>> politics being local just goes with the territory. If you want
>>> central
>>> planning go back to Russia where you belong.
>>> jh
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John Callan" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:16 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>>>
>>>
>>>> The president is the commander in chief. There certainly are
>>>> decisions
>>>> he is required to make. The Congress pays the bills and advises and
>>>> sometimes consents. One certainly can serve and lead at the same
>>>> time.
>>>> And I hope many will. The ones who keep checking to see which way
>>>> the
>>>> wind blows drive me nutz. Lead, follow or get out of the way and
>>>> let
>>>> someone else do it.
>>>>
>>>> We are creeping up on a personal peeve. I'm discusted by
>>>> representatives who go to washington to do what is good for
>>>> Minnesota...and locals who go to saint Paul to do what is good for
>>>> the
>>>> city. Damn it, I want senators and representatives to do what is
>>>> good
>>>> for the U.S. Not only when its good for Minnesota...but especially
>>>> when its bad. That's called courage, conviction and leadership.
>>>> Maybe
>>>> he won't get reelected...is that so bad?
>>>>
>>>> -jc
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 05:53 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The way this country was designed the Pres. isn't supposed to
>>>>> decide
>>>>> at all.
>>>>> The decision should come from the congress and it isn't a question
>>>>> of
>>>>> leading but serving. These elected officials are there, in theory,
>>>>> to
>>>>> serve
>>>>> their constituents. So maybe in this democracy?????, polls should
>>>>> account
>>>>> for something. Before WW II foreign policy was decided by the
>>>>> northeast and
>>>>> the bankers (our interests - check Smedley Butler ) and after was
>>>>> decided by
>>>>> the southwest (oil). I heard at the time that Nam was all about oil
>>>>> cause in
>>>>> the gulf of Tonkin are oil reserves as large as the Saudi's.
>>>>> jh
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "John Callan" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:54 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Iraq response
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you want the President to decide War or Peace by polls? Not
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> this president has or is likely to ever pursue paths that I would
>>>>>> consider good leadership, but I have been deeply swayed by Colin
>>>>>> Powell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before all you peaceniks jump on me, I am deeply ashamed to admit
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> I have never been one to claim that violence doesn't solve
>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>> My life experience provides more than ample proof that violence
>>>>>> solve
>>>>>> problems real good. Sometimes with less humiliation and long term
>>>>>> damage than words.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I am suitably embarrassed. Please don't hurt me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -jc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:26 PM, William Gould wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it our duty?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <Fwd; [Fwd; The White House]>
>>>>>>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:01:43 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I*** r******* & C*********
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Besides, I thought the last dem president established that they are not=20=
****less, they just can't keep it within the scope of work for the=20
prime contract.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 10:48 AM, Met History wrote:
> In a message dated 2/19/03 11:39:57 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Don't get me wrong, I think the Dems are a bunch of ****less (or=20
> *******whipped) wonders.
>
>
>
> Vulgarity is the last refuge of a scoundrel - especially misspelled. =A0=
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Besides, I thought the last dem president established that they are
not ****less, they just can't keep it within the scope of work for the
prime contract.
-jc
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Don't get me wrong, I think the Dems are a bunch of ****less (or
*******whipped) wonders.
<fontfamily><param>Times New =
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Anyone have any idea what we were discussing in 1991?
-jc
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In a message dated 2/18/2003 10:19:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Sign me, my luck has never been as good as when I got #2 in the 1969 draft
> lottery
>
Funny, mine's never been as good as when I got something like 324 in the '71
lottery.
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Funny, mine's never been as good as when I got something like 324 in the '71=
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In a message dated 2/18/2003 10:48:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Damn you people are old. I guess I will have to start referring to everyone
> as sir and ma'am.
>
Bet your ass, you better, sonny. Meanwhile, go out and get us a few more
beers. If you're old enough, that is.
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c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Damn you people are old. I guess I will have to start=20=
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<BR>
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[log in to unmask] wrote:
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> I agree 100%. We can no longer trust the Saudi's.
>
> Steve
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:37:28 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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'71?! That's kinda cute, youngster. Didn't hey pull the plug on the=20
draft in '72?
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 11:30 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/18/2003 10:19:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Sign me,=A0 my luck has never been as good as when I got #2 in the =
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> draft lottery
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>
> Funny, mine's never been as good as when I got something like 324 in=20=
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> Ralph=
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'71?! That's kinda cute, youngster. Didn't hey pull the plug on the
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On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 11:30 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/18/2003 10:19:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
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when I got #2 in the 1969 draft lottery
Funny, mine's never been as good as when I got something like 324 in
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 12:02:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> This sounds like the radio comic I heard the other day who was discussing
> the terrible suffering and poverty existing in some places in the world,
> and the eagerness of some better off folks to try to help out, and then
> suggested they try to solve the problem by feeding the hungry to the poor.
>
Gosh darn it all to heck, Cuyler!
Here you and the rest of the Canucks are getting it all backwards again: the
poor should be fed to the hungry.
Ralph
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<BR>
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c I heard the other day who was discussing the terrible suffering and povert=
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folks to try to help out, and then suggested they try to solve the problem=20=
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Gosh darn it all to heck, Cuyler!<BR>
<BR>
Here you and the rest of the Canucks are getting it all backwards again:&nbs=
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:38:33 -0500
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From: Rudy Christian <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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>>Funny, mine's never been as good as when I got something like 324 in
the '71 lottery.
Ralph<<
327 here. Beat going to Canada rather than Viet Nam ey? Got
to stay home!
Rudy
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<font color=3Dnavy><span =
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never been as good as when I got something like 324 in the '71 =
lottery.<br>
<br>
Ralph<font color=3Dnavy><span =
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class=3DGramE>327 here.</span> Beat going to Canada rather than Viet Nam =
ey? Got
to stay home!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:39:39 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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My number was 78 in '72 so I know it lasted that long.
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From: John Callan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:37 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
'71?! That's kinda cute, youngster. Didn't hey pull the plug on the draft in
'72?
-jc
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 11:30 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
In a message dated 2/18/2003 10:19:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Sign me, my luck has never been as good as when I got #2 in the 1969 draft
lottery
Funny, mine's never been as good as when I got something like 324 in the '71
lottery.
Ralph
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:40:14 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Workshop Cost: Historic Wood Flooring
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 12:02:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Obviously the best medicine is to admit all dues payig BP'ers free as a
> membership benefit. Canada just needs more Loonies.
>
Cuyler,
Are you suggesting that BP have 2 classes of members: dues payers, and
loonies? I think I know in which category most will qualify. By a wide
margin.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Obviously the best medicine is=20=
to admit all dues payig BP'ers free as a<BR>
membership benefit. Canada just needs more Loonies.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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Cuyler,<BR>
<BR>
Are you suggesting that BP have 2 classes of members: dues payers, and looni=
es? I think I know in which category most will qualify. By a wid=
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<BR>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 7:15:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Dirty oil, baby killer supporter
Is that baby humans, or baby seals, or both? And I wouldn't want any of it
in my supporter. Even if I had worn one is the last 30 years.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Is that baby humans, or baby seals, or both? And I wouldn't want any o=
f it in my supporter. Even if I had worn one is the last 30 years.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:40:45 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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John Callan wrote:
> ' Didn't hey pull the plug on the draft in '72?
but they kept the lottery around for a couple of more years.
sign me,
278 in '73
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:46:57 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 7:32:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Just too chicken shit? Chickenhawk = Chickenshit
>
Jim,
You know Dubya has a hard time with long words. Require too much
explanation.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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awk =3D Chickenshit</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR=
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Jim,<BR>
<BR>
You know Dubya has a hard time with long words. Require too much expla=
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<BR>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:48:01 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:09:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> I guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the oil.
>
>
> More likely it would be for the water
I thought there's a lot of snow down there. Get your stories straight, will
ya?
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:09:37 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">I guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it=
would be for the oil.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-CO=
LOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">More likely it would be for=20=
the water</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-CO=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I thought there's a lot of s=
now down there. Get your stories straight, will ya?<BR>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:50:11 EST
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 12:33:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Bet your ass, you better, sonny. Meanwhile, go out and get us a few more
> beers. If you're old enough, that is.
>
Smawt ass.
Steve
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rn Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">Bet your ass, you better, sonny. Meanwhile, go out an=
d get us a few more beers. If you're old enough, that is.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
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Smawt ass.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:52:44 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: your helping hand needed!!!
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Are these epic responses being collected for a future anthology?
No, but the strange thing is I reply to almost all I get (often quite
"seriously") and ... I never get a reply. C
Save them. ][<en
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:54:06 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: your helping hand needed!!!
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:17:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Are these epic responses being collected for a future anthology?
Yes, a photographic history of Fifteenth Avenue. I'm editing the text
between the pages.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Yes, a photographic history of Fifteenth Avenue. I'm editing the text=20=
between the pages.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph <BR>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:56:36 EST
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:21:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Maybe he won't get reelected...is that so bad?
>
John,
Depends on who you mean. But on the whole, I think you're right.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Maybe he won't get reelected...=
is that so bad?<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
Depends on who you mean. But on the whole, I think you're right.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:58:57 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:34:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> SH is a bit of a shit but he's "our shit".
No, I think he's his own shit, or at least somebody else's, but I don't think
he's ours. Although it looks like we're going to have to clean him up.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">SH is a bit of a shit but he's=20=
"our shit".</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-=
COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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No, I think he's his own shit, or at least somebody else's, but I don't thin=
k he's ours. Although it looks like we're going to have to clean him u=
p.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:00:37 EST
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:37:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I agree 100%. We can no longer trust the Saudi's.
>
Mr. Republican Military,
Whaddaya mean, "no longer?"
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:37:18 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">I agree 100%. We can no longer trust the Saudi's.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Mr. Republican Military,<BR>
<BR>
Whaddaya mean, "no longer?" <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:02:09 EST
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:38:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> so we might as well bomb the hell out of canada, and while we are at it
> lets wipe logan airport off the map
Wait a minute. Canada's got oil, and Logan Airport doesn't. We can't bomb
them both for different reasons.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:38:02 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">so we might as well bomb the hell out of canada, and=20=
while we are at it lets wipe logan airport off the map </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><=
FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Wait a minute. Canada's got oil, and Logan Airport doesn't. We can't b=
omb them both for different reasons.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:04:28 EST
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Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:41:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> If you want central planning go back to Russia where you belong.
>
> Wait a minute there, sonny. According to the book I read last week,
> Central Planning was invented by Abe Lincoln and the Republicans.
>
> Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">If you want central planning go=
back to Russia where you belong.<BR>
<BR>
Wait a minute there, sonny. According to the book I read last week, Ce=
ntral Planning was invented by Abe Lincoln and the Republicans.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:07:50 EST
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 9:37:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Or, we could bomb God.
Yours, mine, or ours?
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/19/2003 9:37:24 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Or, we could bomb God. </BLOCKQUOTE=
><BR>
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<BR>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:13:02 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 91?
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 12:03:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Anyone have any idea what we were discussing in 1991?
>
Whatever it was, we weren't discussing it here.
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/19/2003 12:03:25 PM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Anyone have any idea what we we=
re discussing in 1991?<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Whatever it was, we weren't discussing it here.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:20:18 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 12:37:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> '71?! That's kinda cute, youngster. Didn't hey pull the plug on the
> draft in '72?
>
John,
Actually I wasn't quite sure about the year. I turned 18 in 1970, but
graduated HS in 1971. Any of the rest of you geezers (or geezerettes)
remember how they worked out one's year? I do remember that the day they
announced the draft no's for my year, my father heard them on the radio early
in the AM, and told me that mine was low, and I went around all day worrying
about what the hell I was gonna do (join the Navy or get drafted into the
Army). Then they published the numbers later in the day, and it turned out
mine was high and my best friend's was low; he spent 20 years in the Navy and
I went to Arch school.
I think he won.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">'71?! That's kinda cute,=20=
youngster. Didn't hey pull the plug on the <BR>
draft in '72?<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
Actually I wasn't quite sure about the year. I turned 18 in 1970, but=20=
graduated HS in 1971. Any of the rest of you geezers (or geezerettes)=20=
remember how they worked out one's year? I do remember that the day th=
ey announced the draft no's for my year, my father heard them on the radio e=
arly in the AM, and told me that mine was low, and I went around all day wor=
rying about what the hell I was gonna do (join the Navy or get drafted into=20=
the Army). Then they published the numbers later in the day, and it tu=
rned out mine was high and my best friend's was low; he spent 20 years in th=
e Navy and I went to Arch school. <BR>
<BR>
I think he won.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:21:03 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 12:40:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> 327 here. Beat going to Canada rather than Viet Nam ey? Got to stay home!
Rudy,
You got dat right!
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">327 here. Beat going to Canada rather than Viet Nam ey? Got=
to stay home!</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROU=
ND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Rudy,<BR>
<BR>
You got dat right!<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:28:34 -0600
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Logan has tanks of jet fuel that W could grab, finally a reliable national
energy policy!
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Walter [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:02 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:38:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
so we might as well bomb the hell out of canada, and while we are at it
lets wipe logan airport off the map
Wait a minute. Canada's got oil, and Logan Airport doesn't. We can't bomb
them both for different reasons.
Ralph
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policy!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ralph Walter
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:02
PM<BR><B>To:</B> [log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: Iraq response & Constitution<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a
message dated 2/19/2003 8:38:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
TYPE="CITE"></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">so we might as well bomb the hell
out of canada, and while we are at it lets wipe logan airport off the
map </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Wait a minute. Canada's got oil, and Logan Airport
doesn't. We can't bomb them both for different
reasons.<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:36:53 EST
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Subject: Antarctic Water
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I thought there's a lot of snow down there. Get your stories straight, will
ya?
Antarctica + global warming and/or ice melting plants fueled by Southeast
Asian oil = water that can be used to quench the thirst of unruly and
irritating desert dwellers as well as irrigate the lawns of golf courses.
Water is more vital than oil. Without water the body dehydrates and ceases to
function. Get your commodities in order, Ralph!
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Antarctica + global warming and/or ice melting plants fueled by Southeast As=
ian oil =3D water that can be used to quench the thirst of unruly and irrita=
ting desert dwellers as well as irrigate the lawns of golf courses. Water is=
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:43:57 EST
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SH is a bit of a shit but he's "our shit".
Made by Reagan & his buddies as I recall... just like they made the Taliban &
Osama. ][<en
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:53:30 EST
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Vulgarity is the last refuge of a scoundrel - especially misspelled.
Jim Hicks is a scoundrel. He may even be a Wobbly. I doubt he would ever
admit to being otherwise than a scoundrel. I think his problem is a lack of
regular fiber therapy. If we are lucky Nick Micros will do an analysis and it
will shut up the ranting loonie anarchist before the BIG ONE strikes! ][<en
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Jim Hicks is a scoundrel. He may even be a Wobbly. I doubt he would ever adm=
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Yrs. Registered Republican
Me too.
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& let's not forget that the US supplied Iraq, according to the CDC, with
West Nile Virus during the Bush administration.....
Ken Follett wrote:
> SH is a bit of a shit but he's "our shit".
Made by Reagan & his buddies as I recall... just like they made the
Taliban & Osama. ][<en
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& let's not forget that the US supplied Iraq, according to the CDC,
with West Nile Virus during the Bush administration.....
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The guns for hostages, Iran Contra, let's piss off the crazy guy SH. Yes,
thanks Ron.
Eric
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SH is a bit of a shit but he's "our shit".
Made by Reagan & his buddies as I recall... just like they made the Taliban
& Osama. ][<en
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The guns for hostages, Iran Contra, let's piss off the crazy guy SH. Yes,
thanks Ron.
I suppose we don't get alzheimers for nothing. Far too many faux cowboys in
the oily muck while Dr. Strangeglove rides in the wings. ][<en
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crazy guy SH. Yes,<BR>
thanks Ron.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 1:37:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Get your commodities in order, Ralph!
>
>
Yeah Ralph oil and water don't mix.
Steve
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=
=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/19/2003 1:37:29 PM Easter=
n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">Get your commodities in order, Ralph!<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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Yeah Ralph oil and water don't mix.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:13:58 EST
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 1:54:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> I think his problem is a lack of regular fiber therapy.
If my memory serves me Jim stated he might even go lay a log. So maybe he
needs something besides fiber therapy.
Steve
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=
=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/19/2003 1:54:03 PM Easter=
n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">I think his problem is a lack of regular fiber therapy.</BL=
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If my memory serves me Jim stated he might even go lay a log. So maybe he ne=
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<BR>
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> Yrs. Registered Republican
>
>
> Me too.
Me three.
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n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Yrs. Registered Republican</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000=
000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:16:20 EST
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he might even go lay a log.
Exactly.
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=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">he might even go lay a log. </BLOCKQUOTE></FON=
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In a message dated 2/19/03 1:21:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Any of the rest of you geezers (or geezerettes) remember how they worked out
>
Year of birth. Be kind of interesting to figure out the draft numbers that
would have applied to the females. Pam, Estelle, Ruth, Heidi anyone out
there born 4-24-1950? Best, #2
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Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/19/03 1:21:28 PM Eastern St=
andard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ar=
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Any of the rest of you geez=
ers (or geezerettes) remember how they worked out one's year?</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=20=
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<BR>Year of birth. Be kind of interesting to figure out the draft numb=
ers that would have applied to the females. Pam, Estelle, Ruth, Heidi=20=
anyone out there born 4-24-1950? Best, #2</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:08:55 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 1:44:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> SH is a bit of a shit but he's "our shit".
>
> Made by Reagan &his buddies as I recall... just like they made the Taliban &
> Osama. ][<en
Even I don't think we can blame Saddam on Reagan, although I think Reagan
supported adopting Saddam as a way of sticking it to the Iranians. Somehow I
think Ron & Co were more supportive of the Taliban as anti-Commie fighters
against the Evil Russkies than they were of Saddam against the Ayatollah.
Evil Empire, Axis of Evil, what other Evils lurk in the hearts of man?
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/19/2003 1:44:37 PM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">SH is a bit of a shit but he's=20=
"our shit".<BR>
<BR>
Made by Reagan &his buddies as I recall... just like they made the Talib=
an &Osama. ][<en</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-C=
OLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> </BL=
OCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Even <I>I</I> don't think we=
can blame Saddam on Reagan, although I think Reagan supported adopting Sadd=
am as a way of sticking it to the Iranians. Somehow I think Ron & Co wer=
e more supportive of the Taliban as anti-Commie fighters against the Evil Ru=
sskies than they were of Saddam against the Ayatollah. <BR>
<BR>
Evil Empire, Axis of Evil, what other Evils lurk in the hearts of man?<BR>
<BR>
Ralph </FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:12:45 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 1:59:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> The guns for hostages, Iran Contra, let's piss off the crazy guy SH. Yes,
> thanks Ron.
>
So are all of us lily-livered, weak-kneed, kneejerk, jerkoff, Comsymp
registered Republican one world pantywaists all in agreement that we brought
this shit on ourselves?
Just wondering.
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/19/2003 1:59:36 PM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The guns for hostages, Iran Con=
tra, let's piss off the crazy guy SH. Yes,<BR>
thanks Ron.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
So are all of us lily-livered, weak-kneed, kneejerk, jerkoff, Comsymp regist=
ered Republican one world pantywaists all in agreement that we brought this=20=
shit on ourselves?<BR>
<BR>
Just wondering.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:15:40 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Antarctic Water
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 2:09:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Yeah Ralph oil and water don't mix.
>
That would explain why they never found it under the Gulf of Tonkin. To tell
you the truth, doesn't seem to me that oil mixes real well with sand, either.
And water and sand make quicksand, which I understand can be a problem,
too.
We're screwed, no matter what.
The Optimist
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/19/2003 2:09:23 PM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Yeah Ralph oil and water don't mix.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
That would explain why they never found it under the Gulf of Tonkin. To tell=
you the truth, doesn't seem to me that oil mixes real well with sand, eithe=
r. And water and sand make quicksand, which I understand can be a prob=
lem, too. <BR>
<BR>
We're screwed, no matter what.<BR>
<BR>
The Optimist</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:16:28 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I*** r******* & C*********
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 2:15:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> >> Yrs. Registered Republican
>>
>>
>> Me too.
>
> Me three.
I think Steve's the only one who believes in it, though.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/19/2003 2:15:41 PM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=
=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PAD=
DING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #=
ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Yrs. R=
egistered Republican</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLO=
R: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> </FONT>=
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Me too.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" S=
IZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Me three.</FONT><FONT =20=
COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SAN=
SSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I think Steve's the only one=
who believes in it, though.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:20:06 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Y Not Draft X Chromosomes
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 2:19:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Year of birth. Be kind of interesting to figure out the draft numbers that
> would have applied to the females. Pam, Estelle, Ruth, Heidi anyone out
> there born 4-24-1950?
> Best, #2
Was it the year you turned 18 (as I suspect), or what?
Estelle and Heidi might have been around in any decade which included 1950,
but I doubt Heidi's grandparents were. Pam's age is anyone's guess.
And as for "Best, #2", haven't we had enough bathroom conversation already?
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/19/2003 2:19:24 PM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Year of birth. Be kind of interesting to figure=
out the draft numbers that would have applied to the females. Pam, Es=
telle, Ruth, Heidi anyone out there born 4-24-1950? <BR>
Best, #2</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f=
fffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> </BLOCKQUOTE=
><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Was it the year you turned 18 (as I suspect), or what? <BR>
Estelle and Heidi might have been around in any decade which included 1950,=20=
but I doubt Heidi's grandparents were. Pam's age is anyone's guess.<BR=
>
<BR>
And as for "Best, #2", haven't we had enough bathroom conversation already?<=
BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:40:24 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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I believe... I believe that it is a baaad thing!
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Walter [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:16 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I*** r******* & C*********
In a message dated 2/19/2003 2:15:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Yrs. Registered Republican
Me too.
Me three.
I think Steve's the only one who believes in it, though.
Ralph
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<DIV><SPAN class=490344022-19022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
believe... I believe that it is a baaad thing!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ralph Walter
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:16
PM<BR><B>To:</B> [log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: I*** r******* & C*********<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a
message dated 2/19/2003 2:15:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
TYPE="CITE">
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
TYPE="CITE"></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SERIF">Yrs. Registered
Republican</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=arial
color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> </FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR><BR><BR>Me too.</FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=arial color=#000000 size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SCRIPT">Me
three.</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR></FONT><FONT
lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">I think Steve's the only one who believes in it,
though.<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 18:14:33 -0500
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Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to my =
shame.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
You mean you're not Dumdacrat?
Steve
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<A [log in to unmask]
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 19, =
2003 11:44=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response =
&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
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> Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to my
> shame.
>
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing Dubya.
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My number was 4 in '72(I had the low number in my dorm and claimed the gallon
of beer that we had chipped in for) and I remember that the draft ended in
January of '73. It was announced by my hero, Secretary of Defense, Melvin
Laird. The Navy recruiter was disappointed.
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I also had a 1973 number, but I don't remember it...I didn't care, being =
deaf and all, I was gonna be DQ'd anyway.
sign me,
eh?
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but they kept the lottery around for a couple of more years.
sign me,
278 in '73
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Department of Futures Trading: My book, "Streetscapes", will not be published
until May, but it's already flying off the shelves: the Barnes & Noble
website says it ranks #167,779. Best, Christopher
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From the looks of it on the telly I think we already attacked Antarctica
and they dumped snow on NYC & Washington, DC. Ruth up north where a
two-footer is a snow squall.
At 12:48 PM -0500 2/19/03, Ralph Walter wrote:
In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:09:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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I guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the oil.
More likely it would be for the water
I thought there's a lot of snow down there. Get your stories straight,
will ya?
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...all in agreement that we brought this shit on ourselves?
HC,
Fer sure... but in no way do I feel responsible on a personal or local basis.
I'd rather take a Taoist position and admit that dumb people rule. What else
is new?
I consulted my constitutional mentor last night and he informs me that
Congress declares war, but that the president has the right to send the
troops wherever for 90 days and that if someone shoots at them then they can
shoot back to their heart's content and as much as the president tells them
to and he does not have to ask Congress. The practice, as opposed to the
principle, got us this far; of some 210 conflicts it seems the US has
declared war only 5 times.
As to the French and Germans (both of whom make up significant portions of my
ancestry -- so I would appreciate dropping the Nationalist slurs, or at least
inventing new and witty ones), my understanding is that they have been
working on negotiating oil deals w/ Iraq for quite some time, in anticipation
of resolution of the UN sanctions, and that if the US goes in and starts
shooting that it throws the French deals out the window. Whose oil are we
talking about? Arthur Koestler writing about his adventures in Europe during
WW2, to say nothing of Celine's stories, gives a good perspective on the
absurdist relevance of global conflict. I suspect the only thing that keeps
humans from blowing everything to crap is that those with the means to
persist got satiated & worn out in the last century. Obviously Ossama &
Saddam & their folks did not get enough.
I also understand that the US told Saddam that he could have a piece of
Kuwait the last time around, some of their oil reserves, only he got greedy
and took too much and we therefore had to go in to slap him around as a
result.
You got any info on the Jewish utopia that Stalin created in the Soviet
Union? A precursor to Israel. I'd never heard of it until the other day. What
gives?
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Fer sure... but in no way do I feel responsible on a personal or local basis=
. I'd rather take a Taoist position and admit that dumb people rule. What el=
se is new?<BR>
<BR>
I consulted my constitutional mentor last night and he informs me that Congr=
ess declares war, but that the president has the right to send the troops wh=
erever for 90 days and that if someone shoots at them then they can shoot ba=
ck to their heart's content and as much as the president tells them to and h=
e does not have to ask Congress. The practice, as opposed to the principle,=20=
got us this far; of some 210 conflicts it seems the US has declared war only=
5 times.<BR>
<BR>
As to the French and Germans (both of whom make up significant portions of m=
y ancestry -- so I would appreciate dropping the Nationalist slurs, or at le=
ast inventing new and witty ones), my understanding is that they have been w=
orking on negotiating oil deals w/ Iraq for quite some time, in anticipation=
of resolution of the UN sanctions, and that if the US goes in and starts sh=
ooting that it throws the French deals out the window. Whose oil are we talk=
ing about? Arthur Koestler writing about his adventures in Europe during WW2=
, to say nothing of Celine's stories, gives a good perspective on the absurd=
ist relevance of global conflict. I suspect the only thing that keeps humans=
from blowing everything to crap is that those with the means to persist got=
satiated & worn out in the last century. Obviously Ossama & Saddam=20=
& their folks did not get enough.<BR>
<BR>
I also understand that the US told Saddam that he could have a piece of Kuwa=
it the last time around, some of their oil reserves, only he got greedy and=20=
took too much and we therefore had to go in to slap him around as a result.<=
BR>
<BR>
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From the looks of it on the telly I think we already attacked Antarctica
and they dumped snow on NYC &Washington, DC. Ruth up north where a
two-footer is a snow squall.
Ruth: Double whammy attack, now it is warming up too fast and it will all
melt real quick and flood us out. Leastways my impression of Vermont is you
get a relatively slow melt. Here, and south of there, it snows 24" and a week
later it is all gone and the crocuses are blooming just in time for another
snow fall and freeze. ][<en
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and they dumped snow on NYC &Washington, DC. Ruth up north where a=
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lt real quick and flood us out. Leastways my impression of Vermont is you ge=
t a relatively slow melt. Here, and south of there, it snows 24" and a week=20=
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I had a number up in the high 300's... but I don't remember what year it was
or what the number was... in fact, I don't remember too much about it at all
being a fog of jumbled experiences, you know. A few years like the day David
Via became a stone mason. What I do remember was that my stepfather was going
to make a significant and violent alteration to my life if I was drafted and
did not go directly to Nam, as he had gone to Korea. It was the threat of
significant alteration that mostly kept me in a mental condition that
precluded my remembering. My hanging with the Quakers & non-violent
workshops, counseling draft dodgers, odd friends in the SDS, long hair and
curious run-ins with the law did not set well w/ my stepfather, nor with his
born again parents, which did set well with me being a passive resistant sort
of fellow that fit best in the woods when left alone. By the time I recovered
my senses the draft was over and I was busting stone in farm country. The
only thing my mother ever told me about political action, and quite seriously
concerned that I would not pay attention, was not to get involved in the
civil rights movement. She was honestly afraid I'd get lynched. Not all
drafts have numbers. I'm very much in favor of the Marxist technique to
infiltrate then eat out from the core of the beast and I have lived my life
and political persuasions accordingly. As a registered Republican I support
choice, I desire elimination of all drug laws, I despise welfare abuse, and I
will be damned if they take away my guns. ][<en
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ntal condition that precluded my remembering. My hanging with the Quakers &a=
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Last February had a fairly extensive operation on my knee-
Md told me I really should have had it done years ago, my Dad slapped
his forehead in one of those classic "oops I forgot something"
pantomimes when he saw me on crutches and parroted the idea that I
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He'd forbidden it in my teens as he always figured I'd get ti done the
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 8:58:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
> Dubya.
>
I was a real dummy also because I supported Ross Perot and Bill Clinton was
elected. Shame on me.
Steve
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n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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rial" LANG=3D"0">What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and there=
by electing Dubya.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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I was a real dummy also because I supported Ross Perot and Bill Clinton was=20=
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:56:25 -0500
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> >From the looks of it on the telly I think we already attacked
Antarctica
> and they dumped snow on NYC & Washington, DC. Ruth up north where a
> two-footer is a snow squall.
>
>
>
> At 12:48 PM -0500 2/19/03, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:09:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for
the oil.
>
>
> More likely it would be for the water
>
>
>
> I thought there's a lot of snow down there. Get your stories
straight,
> will ya?
>
> Ralph
>
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I could be wrong, but it seems to me that I heard somewhere that
Antarctica is actually a giant desert with very little precipitation
on annual basis. If there's a lot of snow it's because it never melts?
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From: [log in to unmask]
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> and I will be damned if they take away my guns.
I second that.
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n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:02:48 -0500
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Y Not Draft X Chromosomes
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Not I.
Sign me,
Pam the 60's baby.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Met History
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:18 PM
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Subject: Y Not Draft X Chromosomes
In a message dated 2/19/03 1:21:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Any of the rest of you geezers (or geezerettes) remember how they worked
out one's year?
Year of birth. Be kind of interesting to figure out the draft numbers
that would have applied to the females. Pam, Estelle, Ruth, Heidi anyone
out there born 4-24-1950? Best, #2
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class=795250216-20022003>Not I.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=795250216-20022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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class=795250216-20022003>Pam the 60's baby.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Met
History<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:18 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Y Not Draft X
Chromosomes<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT
face="Times New Roman" lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SERIF">In a message dated 2/19/03
1:21:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
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they worked out one's year?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT color=#000000
face="Times New Roman" lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SERIF"><BR>Year of birth.
Be kind of interesting to figure out the draft numbers that would have
applied to the females. Pam, Estelle, Ruth, Heidi anyone out there born
4-24-1950? Best, #2</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:29:05 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: So, what jerk wrote #167,778?
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 8:57:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Department of Futures Trading: My book, "Streetscapes", will not be
> published until May, but it's already flying off the shelves: the Barnes &
> Noble website says it ranks #167,779.
I'm sure that's the number of copies ordered prior to publication.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Department of Futures Trading:=20=
My book, "Streetscapes", will not be published until May, but it's already f=
lying off the shelves: the Barnes &Noble website says it ranks #167,779.=
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
I'm sure that's the number of copies ordered prior to publication.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:38:30 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 8:59:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> You got any info on the Jewish utopia that Stalin created in the Soviet
> Union? A precursor to Israel. I'd never heard of it until the other day.
> What gives?
>
Turned out to be more of a Socialist non-paradise than a Jewish utopia. I
THINK it was a late Lenin program, or very early Stalin, and the Jews proved
to be more interested in being Jewish and insufficiently socialist for the
Soviets' taste.
Others probably know more; I certainly hope so.
Ralph
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You got any info on the Jewish=20=
utopia that Stalin created in the Soviet Union? A precursor to Israel. I'd n=
ever heard of it until the other day. What gives?<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Turned out to be more of a Socialist non-paradise than a Jewish utopia. =
; I THINK it was a late Lenin program, or very early Stalin, and the Jews pr=
oved to be more interested in being Jewish and insufficiently socialist for=20=
the Soviets' taste. <BR>
<BR>
Others probably know more; I certainly hope so.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:35:48 -0800
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ruth Barton <[log in to unmask]>
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I was 8 yrs old in 1950. Ruth
At 2:18 PM -0500 2/19/03, Met History wrote:
In a message dated 2/19/03 1:21:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Any of the rest of you geezers (or geezerettes) remember how they worked
out one's year?
Year of birth. Be kind of interesting to figure out the draft numbers that
would have applied to the females. Pam, Estelle, Ruth, Heidi anyone out
there born 4-24-1950? Best, #2
--
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[log in to unmask]
Westminster, VT
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:43:04 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:57:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I was a real dummy also because I supported Ross Perot and Bill Clinton was
> elected. Shame on me.
>
Steve,
Better that Perot lost than Clinton won.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">I was a real dummy also because I supported Ross Perot=
and Bill Clinton was elected. Shame on me.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Steve,<BR>
<BR>
Better that Perot lost than Clinton won.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:05:26 -0500
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At what point in the "last time around" was this agreement for a slice of
Kuwait alleged to have been made? The only thing I can recollect of that
nature was a weak response by our envoy a short time before he invaded
Kuwait as to the US's position on his saber rattling (not that I was paying
a whole lot of attention but that was one thing that hit the news back then
as to how SH could've gotten the idea that we wouldn't come to the Kuwaiti's
aid).
My understanding of the situation was that SH was pissed because the
Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal drilling
technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal though
I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that), using it
to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.
Mind you this is just my understanding/recollection of what took place.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:57 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
I also understand that the US told Saddam that he could have a piece of
Kuwait the last time around, some of their oil reserves, only he got greedy
and took too much and we therefore had to go in to slap him around as a
result.
>
][<en
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:13:55 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Sneaky Drilling
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I believe the drilling technique is diagonal, or slanted. I'm sure it
did not originate with the Kewaiti's...they probably had some help from
Texas. Consultants. Hmmmmm...seems the problem keeps returning to the
same family don't it?
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Bruce Marcham wrote:
> At what point in the "last time around" was this agreement for a slice
> of
> Kuwait alleged to have been made? The only thing I can recollect of
> that
> nature was a weak response by our envoy a short time before he invaded
> Kuwait as to the US's position on his saber rattling (not that I was
> paying
> a whole lot of attention but that was one thing that hit the news back
> then
> as to how SH could've gotten the idea that we wouldn't come to the
> Kuwaiti's
> aid).
>
> My understanding of the situation was that SH was pissed because the
> Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal
> drilling
> technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal
> though
> I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that),
> using it
> to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.
>
> Mind you this is just my understanding/recollection of what took place.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>>
>
> I also understand that the US told Saddam that he could have a piece of
> Kuwait the last time around, some of their oil reserves, only he got
> greedy
> and took too much and we therefore had to go in to slap him around as a
> result.
>>
>
> ][<en
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:28:55 EST
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 1:06:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> My understanding of the situation was that SH was pissed because the
> Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal drilling
> technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal
> though
> I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that), using it
> to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.
>
Bruce,
I know there was some sort of horizontal drilling technology as far back as
the early 1960's, because my grandfather (and presumably all his neighbors)
got some sort of minuscule payments from some oil company that was drilling
under his house in LA from some distance (maybe miles) away.
I didn't get the impression that they were all sitting on a miles-wide pool
of oil that was being sucked up from one spot, but that in fact the oil co
had to chase the oil around with their little bit brace. I also remember
many more oil wells visible around LA in the 50's when I was a little kid
than there were in the 60's and 70's, and have the impression that the wells
(which I think dated from the'20's) had been pumped dry, and not that their
removal was the result of environmental concerns.
The first environmental stuff I remember was worry about spills resulting
from drilling for oil in the ocean off LA; I don't remember any about
land-based drilling, although They did make some oil company disguise a new
oil well in the middle of LA to look like a tall, narrow building.
Where are the petrochemical engineers, or curators of oil well museums, when
you need them?
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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on was that SH was pissed because the<BR>
Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal drilling<BR=
>
technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal though=
<BR>
I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that), using it<B=
R>
to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
Bruce,<BR>
<BR>
I know there was some sort of horizontal drilling technology as far back as=20=
the early 1960's, because my grandfather (and presumably all his neighbors)=20=
got some sort of minuscule payments from some oil company that was drilling=20=
under his house in LA from some distance (maybe miles) away. <BR>
<BR>
I didn't get the impression that they were all sitting on a miles-wide pool=20=
of oil that was being sucked up from one spot, but that in fact the oil co h=
ad to chase the oil around with their little bit brace. I also remembe=
r many more oil wells visible around LA in the 50's when I was a little kid=20=
than there were in the 60's and 70's, and have the impression that the wells=
(which I think dated from the'20's) had been pumped dry, and not that their=
removal was the result of environmental concerns. <BR>
<BR>
The first environmental stuff I remember was worry about spills resulting fr=
om drilling for oil in the ocean off LA; I don't remember any about land-bas=
ed drilling, although They did make some oil company disguise a new oil well=
in the middle of LA to look like a tall, narrow building.<BR>
<BR>
Where are the petrochemical engineers, or curators of oil well museums, when=
you need them? <BR>
<BR>
Ralph </FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:46:56 -0600
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Drakes Well Museum
http://www.drakewell.org/
The well on the site is a replica of Drake's first, but down the road a=20=
piece is a well that had some sort of major significance. I remember=20
something about it being pumped a little each eary just to maintain its=20=
status as the oldest operating well...or something like that. The=20
folks at Drake are real nice. Say hello to Barbara and Larry for me if=20=
you contact them for info.
One fun incident I remember is failing some sort of EPA test because=20
there was petrolium in our ground water. Surprise!
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 12:28 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/20/2003 1:06:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> My understanding of the situation was that SH was pissed because the
> Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal=20
> drilling
> technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal=20=
> though
> I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that),=20
> using it
> to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.
>
>
> Bruce,
>
> I know there was some sort of horizontal drilling technology as far=20
> back as the early 1960's, because my grandfather (and presumably all=20=
> his neighbors) got some sort of minuscule payments from some oil=20
> company that was drilling under his house in LA from some distance=20
> (maybe miles) away.
>
> I didn't get the impression that they were all sitting on a miles-wide=20=
> pool of oil that was being sucked up from one spot, but that in fact=20=
> the oil co had to chase the oil around with their little bit brace.=A0 =
I=20
> also remember many more oil wells visible around LA in the 50's when I=20=
> was a little kid than there were in the 60's and 70's, and have the=20
> impression that the wells (which I think dated from the'20's) had been=20=
> pumped dry, and not that their removal was the result of environmental=20=
> concerns.
>
> The first environmental stuff I remember was worry about spills=20
> resulting from drilling for oil in the ocean off LA; I don't remember=20=
> any about land-based drilling, although They did make some oil company=20=
> disguise a new oil well in the middle of LA to look like a tall,=20
> narrow building.
>
> Where are the petrochemical engineers, or curators of oil well=20
> museums, when you need them?
>
> Ralph=
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Drakes Well Museum
http://www.drakewell.org/
The well on the site is a replica of Drake's first, but down the road
a piece is a well that had some sort of major significance. I
remember something about it being pumped a little each eary just to
maintain its status as the oldest operating well...or something like
that. The folks at Drake are real nice. Say hello to Barbara and
Larry for me if you contact them for info.
One fun incident I remember is failing some sort of EPA test because
there was petrolium in our ground water. Surprise!
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 12:28 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/20/2003 1:06:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>My understanding of the situation was that SH
was pissed because the
Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal
drilling
technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal
though
I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that),
using it
to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.
Bruce,
I know there was some sort of horizontal drilling technology as far
back as the early 1960's, because my grandfather (and presumably all
his neighbors) got some sort of minuscule payments from some oil
company that was drilling under his house in LA from some distance
(maybe miles) away.
I didn't get the impression that they were all sitting on a miles-wide
pool of oil that was being sucked up from one spot, but that in fact
the oil co had to chase the oil around with their little bit brace.=A0 I
also remember many more oil wells visible around LA in the 50's when I
was a little kid than there were in the 60's and 70's, and have the
impression that the wells (which I think dated from the'20's) had been
pumped dry, and not that their removal was the result of environmental
concerns.
The first environmental stuff I remember was worry about spills
resulting from drilling for oil in the ocean off LA; I don't remember
any about land-based drilling, although They did make some oil company
disguise a new oil well in the middle of LA to look like a tall,
narrow building.
Where are the petrochemical engineers, or curators of oil well
museums, when you need them?
Ralph</excerpt>=
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A Google search on "horizontal oil drilling" gets one a lot of information,
one item stating that horizontal drilling technology (may also be called
"directional drilling") was 'perfected in Alberta in the 1980's and 90's'
(from Nickle's Daily Oil Bulletin, a publication of the Nickle Energy group,
a Canadian company located in Alberta...).
Another item dated 12/8/97 about the technology coming to Kansas (evidently
not as technologically advanced as those in Alberta) says:
>
For more than a hundred years, traditional oil wells have been drilled
vertically, straight down into the ground. When these wells reach an
oil-bearing rock formation, oil drains into the well from the surrounding
rock.
A horizontal well begins like a traditional vertical well, at least until it
nears the oil-bearing rock bed. At that point, sophisticated technology is
used to turn the drill bit and drive the well horizontally. The drill then
chews its way laterally along the targeted rock layer.
Traditional vertical wells drain oil from a single hole poked through a rock
layer. But horizontal wells encounter several hundred, maybe several
thousand, feet of a rock bed, allowing them to drain substantially more oil
from the rock.
>
One item made mention of using an existing vertical well casing, going down
to some depth, cutting hole in the side of the casing, and heading out
through that hole at some angle.
Apparently they use gyros to guide the drill bit but don't ask me how it
works.
Not my forte'. BSME
P.S. One of the items found makes reference to investment opportunities in
the technology. It reminds me of a auto body shop manager friend of mine
who hit some hard times down in Houston and got into making sales calls on
Bubbas, trying to get them to invest in the directional drilling technology.
I think that was about 5 years ago. He didn't get rich.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Callan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:14 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Sneaky Drilling
I believe the drilling technique is diagonal, or slanted. I'm sure it
did not originate with the Kewaiti's...they probably had some help from
Texas. Consultants. Hmmmmm...seems the problem keeps returning to the
same family don't it?
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Bruce Marcham wrote:
> At what point in the "last time around" was this agreement for a slice
> of
> Kuwait alleged to have been made? The only thing I can recollect of
> that
> nature was a weak response by our envoy a short time before he invaded
> Kuwait as to the US's position on his saber rattling (not that I was
> paying
> a whole lot of attention but that was one thing that hit the news back
> then
> as to how SH could've gotten the idea that we wouldn't come to the
> Kuwaiti's
> aid).
>
> My understanding of the situation was that SH was pissed because the
> Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal
> drilling
> technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal
> though
> I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that),
> using it
> to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.
>
> Mind you this is just my understanding/recollection of what took place.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>>
>
> I also understand that the US told Saddam that he could have a piece of
> Kuwait the last time around, some of their oil reserves, only he got
> greedy
> and took too much and we therefore had to go in to slap him around as a
> result.
>>
>
> ][<en
>
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 1:13:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Hmmmmm...seems the problem keeps returning to the same family don't it?
>
Must be a coincidence.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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<BR>
Must be a coincidence.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:52:11 EST
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 2:10:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> P.S. One of the items found makes reference to investment opportunities in
> the technology. It reminds me of a auto body shop manager friend of mine
> who hit some hard times down in Houston and got into making sales calls on
> Bubbas, trying to get them to invest in the directional drilling
> technology.
> I think that was about 5 years ago. He didn't get rich.
>
Bruce,
Guess his name was neither Cheney nor Bush. Or Ewing, for that matter.
Maybe he was even a Democrat.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">P.S. One of the items fou=
nd makes reference to investment opportunities in<BR>
the technology. It reminds me of a auto body shop manager friend of mi=
ne<BR>
who hit some hard times down in Houston and got into making sales calls on<B=
R>
Bubbas, trying to get them to invest in the directional drilling technology.=
<BR>
I think that was about 5 years ago. He didn't get rich.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
Bruce,<BR>
<BR>
Guess his name was neither Cheney nor Bush. Or Ewing, for that matter.=
Maybe he was even a Democrat.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:53:07 EST
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In a message dated 2/18/2003 10:03:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Yes, there is and she is a wood leg, glass eyed smart ass. Eeeewwwww is
> right.
>
You must be some prize yourself.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Yes, there is and she is a wood leg, glass eyed smart=20=
ass. Eeeewwwww is right.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
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You must be some prize yourself.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:56:10 EST
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In a message dated 2/18/2003 10:08:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Define "easier". It certainly was and is less tedious.
John,
Are you saying it's easier and less tedious to find a soulmate than a
sockmate, or vice versa? Just trying to get this clarified.
I wonder if that's why girls wear pantyhose.
Ralph
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:44 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 2/18/2003 9:12:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >[log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >>Isn't amazing how many people manage to find someone to
> >>pair up with! -jc
> >
> >John,
> >
> >You'd think it would be easier to find matching socks in your own
> >dryer. But nooooooooo..........
> >
> >Or are our sock standards higher than our marital standards?
> >
> >Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Define "easier". It certa=
inly was and is less tedious.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" st=
yle=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Aria=
l" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>John,<BR>
Are you saying it's easier and less tedious to find a soulmate than a sockma=
te, or vice versa? Just trying to get this clarified.<BR>
<BR>
I wonder if that's why girls wear pantyhose.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZ=
E=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:44 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>In a message dated 2/18/2003 9:12:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,<BR>
>[log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
><BR>
>>Isn't amazing how many people manage to find someone to<BR>
>>pair up with! -jc<BR>
><BR>
>John,<BR>
><BR>
>You'd think it would be easier to find matching socks in your own<BR>
>dryer. But nooooooooo..........<BR>
><BR>
>Or are our sock standards higher than our marital standards?<BR>
><BR>
>Ralph<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:05:23 -0800
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"But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border
disagreement with Kuwait." US Ambassador April Glaspie to Saddam Hussein
prior to the aggression of Iraq against Kuwait, as quoted from a
transcript supplied by Iraq to the New York Times. It is reported that
later Glaspie told a reporter to the effect that it had never been
considered that Saddam would take all of Kuwait. A journalist questioned
then as to what amount of Kuwait the Bush administration did expect
Saddam to take as a result of the implication that America took no
interest in the Iraq-Kuwait border conflict. No answer. If any of this
is true I have no idea. It may have been more a case of Glaspie not
being quite up to the task and her misunderstanding the depth of the
intentions behind Saddam's words. Regardless, the incident is often
cited as the US having given Saddam permission to invade and annex Kuwait.
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opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait."
</font><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">US Ambassador April Glaspie
to Saddam Hussein</font> prior to the aggression of Iraq against Kuwait,
as quoted from a transcript supplied by Iraq to the New York Times. It is
reported that later Glaspie told a reporter to the effect that it had never
been considered that Saddam would take <u>all </u>of Kuwait. A journalist
questioned then as to what amount of Kuwait the Bush administration did expect
Saddam to take as a result of the implication that America took no interest
in the Iraq-Kuwait border conflict. No answer. If any of this is true I have
no idea. It may have been more a case of Glaspie not being quite up to the
task and her misunderstanding the depth of the intentions behind Saddam's
words. Regardless, the incident is often cited as the US having given Saddam
permission to invade and annex Kuwait.<br>
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Not exactly easier Ralph...just more interesting...perhaps stimulating.=20=
Finding one's mate. I really can't stay interested in matching socks=20=
for any length of time.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 06:56 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/18/2003 10:08:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Define "easier".=A0 It certainly was and is less tedious.
>
>
>
> John,
> Are you saying it's easier and less tedious to find a soulmate than a=20=
> sockmate, or vice versa? Just trying to get this clarified.
>
> I wonder if that's why girls wear pantyhose.
>
> Ralph
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:44=A0 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 2/18/2003 9:12:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >[log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >>Isn't amazing how many people manage to find someone to
> >>pair up with! -jc
> >
> >John,
> >
> >You'd think it would be easier to find matching socks in your own
> >dryer.=A0 But nooooooooo..........
> >
> >Or are our sock standards higher than our marital standards?
> >
> >Ralph
>
>
>
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Not exactly easier Ralph...just more interesting...perhaps
stimulating. Finding one's mate. I really can't stay interested in
matching socks for any length of time.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 06:56 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/18/2003 10:08:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>Define "easier".=A0 It certainly was and is less
tedious.
=
<bold><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>=
<smaller>John,
Are you saying it's easier and less tedious to find a soulmate than a
sockmate, or vice versa? Just trying to get this clarified.
I wonder if that's why girls wear pantyhose.
Ralph
=
</smaller></color></fontfamily></bold><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><col=
or><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>On
Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:44=A0 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
>In a message dated 2/18/2003 9:12:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
>>Isn't amazing how many people manage to find someone to
>>pair up with! -jc
>
>John,
>
>You'd think it would be easier to find matching socks in your own
>dryer.=A0 But nooooooooo..........
>
>Or are our sock standards higher than our marital standards?
>
>Ralph
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Permitting Saddam
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:09:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> "But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border
> disagreement with Kuwait." US Ambassador April Glaspie to Saddam Hussein
> prior to the aggression of Iraq against Kuwait, as quoted from a transcript
> supplied by Iraq to the New York Times. It is reported that later Glaspie
> told a reporter to the effect that it had never been considered that Saddam
> would take all of Kuwait.
I don't see where this gave the nice Mr. Hussein a green light to take
anything. On the other hand, I can see where in retrospect it might have
been wiser to tell him to keep his grubby mitts the hell off and his pecker
in his pocket.
Ambassador Ralph
(whose offer to purchase, along with the rest of Mr. Grove's 7th grade social
studies class, a diamond-shaped disputed area at the south of Libya, was
intended to form the Republic of Groveland, was somehow overlooked by the
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#330033"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">"But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, l=
ike your border disagreement with Kuwait." </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" s=
tyle=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times N=
ew Roman" LANG=3D"0">US Ambassador April Glaspie to Saddam Hussein</FONT><FO=
NT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> prior to the aggression of Iraq ag=
ainst Kuwait, as quoted from a transcript supplied by Iraq to the New York T=
imes. It is reported that later Glaspie told a reporter to the effect that i=
t had never been considered that Saddam would take <U>all </U>of Kuwait.</BL=
OCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
I don't see where this gave the nice Mr. Hussein a green light to take anyth=
ing. On the other hand, I can see where in retrospect it might have be=
en wiser to tell him to keep his grubby mitts the hell off and his pecker in=
his pocket.<BR>
<BR>
Ambassador Ralph<BR>
(whose offer to purchase, along with the rest of Mr. Grove's 7th grade socia=
l studies class, a diamond-shaped disputed area at the south of Libya,=
was intended to form the Republic of Groveland, was somehow overlooke=
d by the then-recently-installed gov't of Libya under a gentleman named Qadd=
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:17:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Not exactly easier Ralph...just more interesting...perhaps stimulating.
> Finding one's mate. I really can't stay interested in matching socks
> for any length of time.
>
John,
It is my experience as well that spouse- (or squeeze-) finding is indeed more
interesting and more stimulating than trying to match socks. However, both
can be exasperating processes, and deeply satisfying when all works out well.
Given that I have a drawer full of black socks that SHOULD match, it remains
a mystery to me that there are always widows and orphans.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Not exactly easier Ralph...just=
more interesting...perhaps stimulating. <BR>
Finding one's mate. I really can't stay interested in matching socks=20=
<BR>
for any length of time.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
It is my experience as well that spouse- (or squeeze-) finding is indeed mor=
e interesting and more stimulating than trying to match socks. However=
, both can be exasperating processes, and deeply satisfying when all works o=
ut well.<BR>
<BR>
Given that I have a drawer full of black socks that SHOULD match, it remains=
a mystery to me that there are always widows and orphans. <BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:40:19 -0600
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Sometimes I wonder if diplomats would benefit substantially by having=20
some plain and direct spoken fellow...or lady, at his/her side...to=20
make sure that content is not mistaken. No authority to speak for the=20=
nation of course, that could be embarrassing. But maybe if Ralph had=20
been at the table and had gone eyeball to eyeball with Sadam along with=20=
Ms. April and made his statement, there would have been no=20
misunderstanding.
Sometimes the problem with being professionally represented is that one=20=
is not appropriately represented. We can be a rude speaking people,=20
(judging by this group). Our representatives should remember that on=20
occassion and demonstrate an understanding our our language and values.=20=
Maybe that's why Powell makes sense to me. Of course that would kinda=20=
explain dbya also...at least to anyone who thinks there is an=20
explaintionerary.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 08:19 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:09:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> "But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border=20=
> disagreement with Kuwait." US Ambassador April Glaspie to Saddam=20
> Hussein prior to the aggression of Iraq against Kuwait, as quoted from=20=
> a transcript supplied by Iraq to the New York Times. It is reported=20
> that later Glaspie told a reporter to the effect that it had never=20
> been considered that Saddam would take all of Kuwait.
>
>
>
> I don't see where this gave the nice Mr. Hussein a green light to take=20=
> anything.=A0 On the other hand, I can see where in retrospect it might=20=
> have been wiser to tell him to keep his grubby mitts the hell off and=20=
> his pecker in his pocket.
>
> Ambassador Ralph
> (whose offer to purchase, along with the rest of Mr. Grove's 7th grade=20=
> social studies class,=A0 a diamond-shaped disputed area at the south =
of=20
> Libya, was intended to form the Republic of Groveland,=A0 was somehow=20=
> overlooked by the then-recently-installed gov't of Libya under a=20
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Sometimes I wonder if diplomats would benefit substantially by having
some plain and direct spoken fellow...or lady, at his/her side...to
make sure that content is not mistaken. No authority to speak for the
nation of course, that could be embarrassing. But maybe if Ralph had
been at the table and had gone eyeball to eyeball with Sadam along
with Ms. April and made his statement, there would have been no
misunderstanding. =20
Sometimes the problem with being professionally represented is that
one is not appropriately represented. We can be a rude speaking
people, (judging by this group). Our representatives should remember
that on occassion and demonstrate an understanding our our language
and values. Maybe that's why Powell makes sense to me. Of course
that would kinda explain dbya also...at least to anyone who thinks
there is an explaintionerary.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 08:19 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/20/2003 9:09:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Times New =
Roman</param><color><param>3333,0000,3333</param><smaller>"But
we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border
disagreement with Kuwait."
</smaller></color><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>US
Ambassador April Glaspie to Saddam
=
Hussein</smaller></color></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><col=
or><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller> prior
to the aggression of Iraq against Kuwait, as quoted from a transcript
supplied by Iraq to the New York Times. It is reported that later
Glaspie told a reporter to the effect that it had never been
considered that Saddam would take <underline>all </underline>of =
Kuwait.</smaller></color></fontfamily>
I don't see where this gave the nice Mr. Hussein a green light to take
anything.=A0 On the other hand, I can see where in retrospect it might
have been wiser to tell him to keep his grubby mitts the hell off and
his pecker in his pocket.
Ambassador Ralph
(whose offer to purchase, along with the rest of Mr. Grove's 7th grade
social studies class,=A0 a diamond-shaped disputed area at the south of
Libya, was intended to form the Republic of Groveland,=A0 was somehow
overlooked by the then-recently-installed gov't of Libya under a
gentleman named Qaddafi)</excerpt>=
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:53:16 -0600
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I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks=20
ain't one of those things. I used to have a mild concern about the=20
black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started=20
working from home. Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the top.=20=
I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find=20
matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into the=20=
cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
But finding my spouse is much more interesting. Hell, I still shave=20
dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 08:28 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:17:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Not exactly easier Ralph...just more interesting...perhaps =
stimulating.
> Finding one's mate.=A0 I really can't stay interested in matching =
socks
> for any length of time.
>
>
>
> John,
>
> It is my experience as well that spouse- (or squeeze-) finding is=20
> indeed more interesting and more stimulating than trying to match=20
> socks.=A0 However, both can be exasperating processes, and deeply=20
> satisfying when all works out well.
>
> Given that I have a drawer full of black socks that SHOULD match, it=20=
> remains a mystery to me that there are always widows and orphans.=A0
>
> Ralph
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I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks
ain't one of those things. I used to have a mild concern about the
black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started
working from home. Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the
top. I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to
find matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go
"into the cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
But finding my spouse is much more interesting. Hell, I still shave
dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz! =20
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 08:28 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/20/2003 9:17:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>Not exactly easier Ralph...just more
interesting...perhaps stimulating.
Finding one's mate.=A0 I really can't stay interested in matching socks
for any length of time.
John,
It is my experience as well that spouse- (or squeeze-) finding is
indeed more interesting and more stimulating than trying to match
socks.=A0 However, both can be exasperating processes, and deeply
satisfying when all works out well.
Given that I have a drawer full of black socks that SHOULD match, it
remains a mystery to me that there are always widows and orphans.=A0
Ralph
</excerpt>=
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:05:10 EST
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Subject: Re: Permitting Saddam
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:39:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> But maybe if Ralph had been at the table and had gone eyeball to eyeball
> with Sadam along with Ms. April and made his statement, there would have
> been no
> misunderstanding.
>
Nah. My problem has always been that despite my highly-developed 20-20
hindsight blustering, I'm a realtime wuss. Ken will confirm this.
Then again, I recently had a very loud speakerphone argument in the office
with the Client from Hell and with my boss in the room. Seemed to buy me a
few minutes respect from my coworkers, so maybe it wasn't totally wasted. It
was fun, too.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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the table and had gone eyeball to eyeball with Sadam along with Ms. April an=
d made his statement, there would have been no <BR>
misunderstanding.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Nah. My problem has always been that despite my highly-developed 20-20=
hindsight blustering, I'm a realtime wuss. Ken will confirm this.<BR>
<BR>
Then again, I recently had a very loud speakerphone argument in the office w=
ith the Client from Hell and with my boss in the room. Seemed to buy m=
e a few minutes respect from my coworkers, so maybe it wasn't totally wasted=
. It was fun, too.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:11:25 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks
> ain't one of those things. I used to have a mild concern about the
> black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started
> working from home. Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the top.
> I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find
> matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into the
> cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
>
> But finding my spouse is much more interesting. Hell, I still shave
> dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
>
John,
I guess we just have different priorities. I haven't shaved in 30 years, but
hate the notion of mismatched socks. Then again, it appears that we are in
complete agreement on the importance of clean socks on a daily basis.
Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm frequently accused of being=
obssessive about stuff...but socks <BR>
ain't one of those things. I used to have a mild concern about the <BR=
>
black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started <BR>
working from home. Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the top.=
<BR>
I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find <BR>
matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into the <BR>
cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.<BR>
<BR>
But finding my spouse is much more interesting. Hell, I still shave <B=
R>
dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
John, <BR>
<BR>
I guess we just have different priorities. I haven't shaved in 30 year=
s, but hate the notion of mismatched socks. Then again, it appears tha=
t we are in complete agreement on the importance of clean socks on a daily b=
asis.<BR>
<BR>
Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:22:36 -0600
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Subject: Re: BP On?
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I think the clean socks is a camping thing. Dry feet are necessary for=20=
survival. Clean socks are a joy.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 09:11 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks
> ain't one of those things.=A0 I used to have a mild concern about the
> black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started
> working from home.=A0 Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the =
top.
> I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find
> matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into =
the
> cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
>
> But finding my spouse is much more interesting.=A0 Hell, I still shave
> dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
>
>
>
> John,
>
> I guess we just have different priorities.=A0 I haven't shaved in 30=20=
> years, but hate the notion of mismatched socks.=A0 Then again, it=20
> appears that we are in complete agreement on the importance of clean=20=
> socks on a daily basis.
>
> Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
>
> Ralph=
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I think the clean socks is a camping thing. Dry feet are necessary
for survival. Clean socks are a joy.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 09:11 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/20/2003 9:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>I'm frequently accused of being obssessive
about stuff...but socks
ain't one of those things.=A0 I used to have a mild concern about the
black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started
working from home.=A0 Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the =
top.
I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find
matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into the
cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
But finding my spouse is much more interesting.=A0 Hell, I still shave
dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
John,
I guess we just have different priorities.=A0 I haven't shaved in 30
years, but hate the notion of mismatched socks.=A0 Then again, it
appears that we are in complete agreement on the importance of clean
socks on a daily basis.
Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
Ralph</excerpt>=
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:51:00 EST
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 10:22:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I think the clean socks is a camping thing. Dry feet are necessary for
> survival. Clean socks are a joy.
>
John,
You're right. In my yout' as a Boy Scout, I got to the point where I
couldn;t stand being dirty anymore, but absolutely the worst was to have to
wear already-worn socks. Gives me the shivers just thinking about it.
Having seen all manner of muck floating around in a pan of supposedly clean
Boy Scout dishwater on a campout early on, I also learned a valuable and
vivid lesson about the importance of getting the crud off before you even
think about putting the dish in the dishwater. I have been a stickler for
clean dishes, and proper methods of obtaining same, ever since. The Little
Ralphs, and even Mrs. Ralph, do not seem to "get" this, no matter how much I
yell about it. Their failure in this regard is MOST distressing.
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/20/2003 10:22:22 PM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I think the clean socks is a ca=
mping thing. Dry feet are necessary for <BR>
survival. Clean socks are a joy.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
You're right. In my yout' as a Boy Scout, I got to the point where I c=
ouldn;t stand being dirty anymore, but absolutely the worst was to have to w=
ear already-worn socks. Gives me the shivers just thinking about it.<B=
R>
<BR>
Having seen all manner of muck floating around in a pan of supposedly clean=20=
Boy Scout dishwater on a campout early on, I also learned a valuable and viv=
id lesson about the importance of getting the crud off before you even think=
about putting the dish in the dishwater. I have been a stickler for c=
lean dishes, and proper methods of obtaining same, ever since. The Lit=
tle Ralphs, and even Mrs. Ralph, do not seem to "get" this, no matter how mu=
ch I yell about it. Their failure in this regard is MOST distressing.<=
BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP Ommm?
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In a message dated 2/20/03 10:54:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> the importance of getting the crud off before you even think about putting
> the dish in the dishwater.
Dishwasher mfrs say rinsing is irrelevant. Saw it in the Wall Street Journal
last fall. You're wasting your time - go shave your armpits. Yrs,
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tandard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">the importance of getting the c=
rud off before you even think about putting the dish in the dishwater. =
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Dishwasher mfrs say rinsing is irrelevant. Saw it in the Wall Street Journal=
last fall. You're wasting your time - go shave your armpits. &nb=
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP Ommm?
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 11:47:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Dishwasher mfrs say rinsing is irrelevant. Yeah, well, I was talking about
> old-fashioned hand-washing of dishes when away from comforts of Mommy's
> kitchen. It was a sight to put you off sloppy seconds forever. Or perhaps
> KC/Minhattin Boy Scouts had a cushier time of it than we manly
> Californians. Saw it in the Wall Street Journal last fall. You believe
> that rag? Next you'll be quoting from the Times Real Estate Section You're
> wasting your time - go shave your armpits. Whassammatta, you don't go for
> the Continental look? I'd as soon wear dirty socks. Yrs, Conelrad
> Rockely and Bullelwinkle say hello, William.
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Dishwasher mfrs say rinsing is irrelevant. <B>Yeah, w=
ell, I was talking about old-fashioned hand-washing of dishes when away from=
comforts of Mommy's kitchen. It was a sight to put you off sloppy sec=
onds forever. Or perhaps KC/Minhattin Boy Scouts had a cushier time of it th=
an we manly Californians. </B>Saw it in the Wall Street Journal=20=
last fall. <B>You believe that rag? Next you'll be quoting from the Ti=
mes Real Estate Section</B> You're wasting your time - go shave your armpits=
. <B>Whassammatta, you don't go for the Continental look? I'd as soon wear d=
irty socks.</B> Yrs, Conelrad <B>Rockely and Bullelwinkle=20=
say hello, William.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 06:02:17 -0500
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From: Jim Hicks <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote in =
NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb won =
the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from the =
voting reg six months before the election and on election day in many =
black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus all of =
the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that just this =
one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern Stradegy" =
has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.=20
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ralph Walter=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much =
to my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing =
Dubya.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It would help if you were able to add =
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any case=20
Demdumb won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged =
from the=20
voting reg six months before the election and on election day in many =
black=20
counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus all of the =
other=20
voting eregularities which the supreams said that just this one time =
we're going=20
to chose)and in any case the "Southern Stradegy" has worked very well =
and is=20
very alive in the grand ole sout. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jh</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph =
Walter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 19, =
2003 8:55=20
PM</DIV>
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&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern =
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href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>=20
writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg =
Dummy=20
much to my shame.</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
#ffffff"=20
face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 12:43:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Better that Perot lost than Clinton won.
>
Ralph,
I think you are correct. Can you imagine Perot with Lewinsky?
Steve
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rn Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">Better that Perot lost than Clinton won.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
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FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Ralph,<BR>
<BR>
I think you are correct. Can you imagine Perot with Lewinsky?<BR>
<BR>
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Or a cigar, for that matter.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:23 AM
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Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/20/2003 12:43:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Better that Perot lost than Clinton won.
Ralph,
I think you are correct. Can you imagine Perot with Lewinsky?
Steve
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 8:23
AM<BR><B>To:</B> [log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: Iraq response & Constitution<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" lang=0 size=3
FAMILY="SCRIPT">In a message dated 2/20/2003 12:43:51 PM Eastern Standard
Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Better that Perot lost
than Clinton won.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial lang=0
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I suppose I don't think much about the crud in the dishwasher, but=20
these folks sure seem to thing I'm obsessive about the placement of the=20=
dishes in the dishwasher. They have no sense of spacial relationships.=20=
I always have to go and reorganize...unfortunately that made it my=20
job, no one wants to develop these skills.
Geez, now you've gotton me to admit twice that I'm not as laid back and=20=
easy going as I claim. This must stop.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 09:51 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/20/2003 10:22:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I think the clean socks is a camping thing.=A0 Dry feet are necessary =
for
> survival.=A0 Clean socks are a joy.
>
>
>
> John,
>
> You're right.=A0 In my yout' as a Boy Scout, I got to the point where =
I=20
> couldn;t stand being dirty anymore, but absolutely the worst was to=20
> have to wear already-worn socks.=A0 Gives me the shivers just thinking=20=
> about it.
>
> Having seen all manner of muck floating around in a pan of supposedly=20=
> clean Boy Scout dishwater on a campout early on, I also learned a=20
> valuable and vivid lesson about the importance of getting the crud off=20=
> before you even think about putting the dish in the dishwater.=A0 I =
have=20
> been a stickler for clean dishes, and proper methods of obtaining=20
> same, ever since.=A0 The Little Ralphs, and even Mrs. Ralph, do not =
seem=20
> to "get" this, no matter how much I yell about it.=A0 Their failure in=20=
> this regard is MOST distressing.
>
> Ralph=
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I suppose I don't think much about the crud in the dishwasher, but
these folks sure seem to thing I'm obsessive about the placement of
the dishes in the dishwasher. They have no sense of spacial
relationships. I always have to go and reorganize...unfortunately
that made it my job, no one wants to develop these skills.
Geez, now you've gotton me to admit twice that I'm not as laid back
and easy going as I claim. This must stop.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 09:51 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/20/2003 10:22:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>I think the clean socks is a camping thing.=A0
Dry feet are necessary for
survival.=A0 Clean socks are a joy.
John,
You're right.=A0 In my yout' as a Boy Scout, I got to the point where I
couldn;t stand being dirty anymore, but absolutely the worst was to
have to wear already-worn socks.=A0 Gives me the shivers just thinking
about it.
Having seen all manner of muck floating around in a pan of supposedly
clean Boy Scout dishwater on a campout early on, I also learned a
valuable and vivid lesson about the importance of getting the crud off
before you even think about putting the dish in the dishwater.=A0 I have
been a stickler for clean dishes, and proper methods of obtaining
same, ever since.=A0 The Little Ralphs, and even Mrs. Ralph, do not seem
to "get" this, no matter how much I yell about it.=A0 Their failure in
this regard is MOST distressing.
Ralph</excerpt>=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:29:06 EST
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Chrif,
I need your assistance.
Steve
Dear Friend,
My name is LOI C.ESTRADA,The wife of Mr. JOSEPH
ESTRADA, the former President of Philippines located
in the South East Asia.
My husband was recently impeached from office by a
backed uprising of mass demonstrators and the Senate.
My husband is presently in jail and facing trial on
charges of corruption, embezzlement, and the
mysterious charge of plunder which might lead to death sentence.
The present government is forcing my husband out of
Manila to avoid demonstration by his supporters.
During my husband's regime as president of Philippine,
I realized some reasonable amount of money from
various deals that I successfully executed. I have
plans to invest this money for my children's future on real estate and
industrial production. My husband is not
aware of this because I wish to do it secretly for
now.
before my husband was impeached, I secretly siphoned
the sum of $30,000,000 million USD (Thirty million United states dollars) out
of Philippines and deposited the money with a security firm that transports
valuable goods and consignments through diplomatic means.
I am contacting you because I want you to go to the
security company and claim the money on my behalf
since I have declared that the consignment belong to
my foreign business partner. You shall also be
required to assist me in investment in your country.
I hope to trust you as a God fearing person who will
not sit on this money when you claim it, rather assist me
properly, I expect you to declare what percentage of
the total money you will take for your assistance.
When I receive your positive response I will let you
know where the security company is
and the payment pin code to claim the money which is
very important.
For now, let all our communication is by e-mail
because my line are right now connected to the
Philippines Telecommunication Network services. Please
also send me your telephone and fax number.
I will ask my son contact you to give you more details on after i have
received a responce from you.Respond through my most confodential email
[log in to unmask]
Thank you and God bless you and family.
MRS LOI C ESTRADA
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<BR>
I need your assistance.<BR>
<BR>
Steve</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZ=
E=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
Dear Friend, <BR>
<BR>
My name is LOI C.ESTRADA,The wife of Mr. JOSEPH <BR>
ESTRADA, the former President of Philippines located <BR>
in the South East Asia. <BR>
<BR>
My husband was recently impeached from office by a <BR>
backed uprising of mass demonstrators and the Senate. <BR>
<BR>
My husband is presently in jail and facing trial on <BR>
charges of corruption, embezzlement, and the <BR>
mysterious charge of plunder which might lead to death sentence. <BR>
The present government is forcing my husband out of <BR>
Manila to avoid demonstration by his supporters. <BR>
<BR>
During my husband's regime as president of Philippine, <BR>
I realized some reasonable amount of money from <BR>
various deals that I successfully executed. I have <BR>
plans to invest this money for my children's future on real estate and indus=
trial production. My husband is not <BR>
aware of this because I wish to do it secretly for <BR>
now. <BR>
<BR>
before my husband was impeached, I secretly siphoned <BR>
the sum of $30,000,000 million USD (Thirty million United states dollars) ou=
t of Philippines and deposited the money with a security firm that transport=
s valuable goods and consignments through diplomatic means. <BR>
<BR>
I am contacting you because I want you to go to the <BR>
security company and claim the money on my behalf <BR>
since I have declared that the consignment belong to <BR>
my foreign business partner. You shall also be <BR>
required to assist me in investment in your country. <BR>
<BR>
I hope to trust you as a God fearing person who will <BR>
not sit on this money when you claim it, rather assist me <BR>
properly, I expect you to declare what percentage of <BR>
the total money you will take for your assistance. <BR>
<BR>
When I receive your positive response I will let you <BR>
know where the security company is <BR>
and the payment pin code to claim the money which is <BR>
very important. <BR>
<BR>
For now, let all our communication is by e-mail <BR>
because my line are right now connected to the <BR>
Philippines Telecommunication Network services. Please <BR>
also send me your telephone and fax number. <BR>
<BR>
I will ask my son contact you to give you more details on after i have recei=
ved a responce from you.Respond through my most confodential email mrsestrad=
[log in to unmask] <BR>
<BR>
Thank you and God bless you and family. <BR>
<BR>
MRS LOI C ESTRADA <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:37:31 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
> in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
> won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
> the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
> many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
> all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
> just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
> Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole > sout.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Walter
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
> my shame.
>
>
>
> What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
> Dubya.
>
> Ralph
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Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect
my right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in
the wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you
guys in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute
little 200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the
house of representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens.
The popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>It would help if you
were able to add better than I can spell. I vote in NY and the State
was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb won the pop vote, he
just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from the voting reg six
months before the election and on election day in many black counties
there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus all of the other
voting eregularities which the supreams said that just this one time
we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern Stradegy" has
worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>jh</smaller></fontfamily>
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold>
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>Ralph Walter</color></underline>
<bold>To:</bold>
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>[log in to unmask]</color></underline>
<bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated 2/19/2003
6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>[log in to unmask]</color></underline>
writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
my shame.
<color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>What you SHOULD be ashamed of is
supporting Nader and thereby electing Dubya.
Ralph</color></smaller></fontfamily>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:38:12 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
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EWWWWWW! YUCK!
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 07:22 AM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/20/2003 12:43:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Better that Perot lost than Clinton won.
>
>
>
> Ralph,
>
> I think you are correct. Can you imagine Perot with Lewinsky?
>
> Steve
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EWWWWWW! YUCK!
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 07:22 AM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Comic Sans MS</param>In a message dated
2/20/2003 12:43:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>Better
that Perot lost than Clinton won.
</smaller></color></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Comic Sans MS</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Ralph,
I think you are correct. Can you imagine Perot with Lewinsky?
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:48:35 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
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<[log in to unmask]>
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 6:02:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell.
Jim,
As an architect, I use a special subtracting calculator when reviewing
contractors' Applications for Payment. This is as opposed to contractors,
who use a special multiplying calculator for preparing their bids and
Applications for Payment.
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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to add better than I can spell.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Jim,<BR>
<BR>
As an architect, I use a special subtracting calculator when reviewing contr=
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tions for Payment.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:00:24 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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Don't mix up your calculators when you submit your invoice!
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 07:48 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/21/2003 6:02:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell.
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
> As an architect, I use a special subtracting calculator when reviewing=20=
> contractors' Applications for Payment.=A0 This is as opposed to=20
> contractors, who use a special multiplying calculator for preparing=20
> their bids and Applications for Payment.
>
> Ralph=
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Don't mix up your calculators when you submit your invoice!
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 07:48 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/21/2003 6:02:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>It would help if you were able to add better
than I can spell.
Jim,
As an architect, I use a special subtracting calculator when reviewing
contractors' Applications for Payment.=A0 This is as opposed to
contractors, who use a special multiplying calculator for preparing
their bids and Applications for Payment.
Ralph</excerpt>=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:04:24 -0500
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<[log in to unmask]>
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From: Rudy Christian <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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>>Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
Ralph<<
No, but I can't stand it when the big toe holes are both
lefties!
Rudy
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font><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Any of you
pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?<br>
<br>
Ralph<font color=3Dnavy><span =
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; </span>No,
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 10:12:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
>
No, but I like clean boxers also. Not just clean socks.
Sign me,
Boxersocks
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rn Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks=
?<BR>
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fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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No, but I like clean boxers also. Not just clean socks.<BR>
<BR>
Sign me,<BR>
Boxersocks </FONT></HTML>
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 7:53:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> You must be some prize yourself.
>
Ralf,
Thanks for the compliment.
Steve
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n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">You must be some prize yourself.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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Ralf,<BR>
<BR>
Thanks for the compliment.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Boxers on?
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>>No, but I like clean boxers also. Not just clean socks.
Sign me,
Boxersocks <<
We've always had Collies. Grandpa had a boxer. Kept pretty
clean all by herself really. The day Grandpa died at the hospital, the
family came home and found Tony curled up dead in her dog house. Her
work was done.
Please let me keep my memories for a while yet.
Rudy
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:23:03 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 8:23:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I think you are correct. Can you imagine Perot with Lewinsky?
>
Steve,
Speaking of bringing up lunch....
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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winsky?<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
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<BR>
Speaking of bringing up lunch....<BR>
<BR>
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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I don't see where this gave the nice Mr. Hussein a green light to take
anything.
The point is that it probably did not give a green light, then again it did
not give a red light, and the relevance is the interpretation that such
wobbly and inept diplomacy is a weakness to be exploited. In the same
conversation Saddam expressed that the US was too weak to stomach 10,000 body
bags. An Iraq official later admitted that they knew full well that the US
would not be happy. Is it good for the US to have a global reputation as a
blow-hard and diplomatic woosie? Last thing I want is kids that I know in the
military today not coming home. Seems to me I read recently that Teddy
Roosevelt was a woosie blow-hard.
][<en
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The point is that it probably did not give a green light, then again it did=20=
not give a red light, and the relevance is the interpretation that such wobb=
ly and inept diplomacy is a weakness to be exploited. In the same conversati=
on Saddam expressed that the US was too weak to stomach 10,000 body bags. An=
Iraq official later admitted that they knew full well that the US would not=
be happy. Is it good for the US to have a global reputation as a blow-hard=20=
and diplomatic woosie? Last thing I want is kids that I know in the military=
today not coming home. Seems to me I read recently that Teddy Roosevelt was=
a woosie blow-hard.<BR>
<BR>
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP Un?
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In a message dated 2/21/03 8:24:43 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> the placement of the dishes in the dishwasher. They have no sense of
> spacial relationships.
John, I have fallen in love with you - will you marry me? Yrs., Rinse Cycle
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> the placement of the dishe=
s in the dishwasher. They have no sense of spacial relationships. &nbs=
p; I always have to go and reorganize...</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=20=
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ATTEND-Christopher's help is needed.
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In a message dated 2/21/03 8:30:01 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Chrif, I need your assistance. Steve
>
> Dear Friend,
> My name is LOI C.ESTRADA,The wife of Mr. JOSEPH ESTRADA, the former
> President of Philippines located in the South East Asia. My husband was
> recently impeached from office by a backed uprising of mass demonstrators
> and the Senate.
>
Dear Loi:
You little bitch! Joey was my husband, and I've got the ring to prove it!
You give me back that $30 million or I'll tear your lying ass apart! You can
keep his two-timing ashes.
Yrs., Now Engaged to John Callan
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"=
Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/03 8:30:01 AM, SavannahI=
[log in to unmask] writes:
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic=
Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2=
px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Chrif, &nb=
sp; I need your assistance. Steve</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#00=
0000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">
<BR>
<BR>Dear Friend,=20
<BR>My name is LOI C.ESTRADA,The wife of Mr. JOSEPH ESTRADA, the forme=
r President of Philippines located in the South East Asia. My hu=
sband was recently impeached from office by a backed uprising of mass=20=
demonstrators and the Senate.=20
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERI=
F" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">
<BR>Dear Loi:
<BR>You little bitch! Joey was my husband, and I've got th=
e ring to prove it! You give me back that $30 million or I'll tear you=
r lying ass apart! You can keep his two-timing ashes.=20
<BR>Yrs., Now Engaged to John Callan</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:37:09 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 8:24:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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John,
> I suppose I don't think much about the crud in the dishwasher I was
> referring to crud in pans full of dishwater, in which (theoretically)
> dishes were being "washed", but in fact the crud was brushed off one guy's
> dishes and floated onto the next guy's. but these folks sure seem to thing
> I'm obsessive about the placement of the dishes in the dishwasher. There's
> nothing obsessive about this. The dishwashers are designed to have dishes
> put into them in a certain way, and when people other than you and I don't
> do it that way, but just throw them in any way they feel like, they're
> doing it wrong. Don't we insist that contractors follow manufacturers'
> instructions, and don't the manufacturers insist on the same thing? They
> have no sense of spacial relationships. Or of following instructions. I
> always have to go and reorganize...unfortunately that made it my job, no
> one wants to develop these skills. The rest of the world is very fortunate
> to have us saving them from their own folly, but I get the feeling that we
> are not as appreciated as we deserve.
>
> Geez, now you've gotton me to admit twice that I'm not as laid back and
> easy going as I claim. This must stop. There are (in theory) some matters
> in which a certain limited flexibility may not be entirely deleterious, but
> in all others, proper procedures should be followed. Under pain of death.
Mr. Easygoing
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/2003 8:24:43 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<B>John,</B><BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I suppose I don't think much ab=
out the crud in the dishwasher <B>I was referring to crud in pans full of di=
shwa<U>t</U>er</B>, <B>in which (theoretically) dishes were being "washed",=20=
but in fact the crud was brushed off one guy's dishes and floated onto the n=
ext guy's. </B>but these folks sure seem to thing I'm obsessive about the pl=
acement of the dishes in the dishwasher. <B>There's nothing obsessive about=20=
this. The dishwashers are designed to have dishes put into them in a c=
ertain way, and when people other than you and I don't do it that way, but j=
ust throw them in any way they feel like, they're doing it <U>wrong</U>. Don=
't we insist that contractors follow manufacturers' instructions, and don't=20=
the manufacturers insist on the same thing? </B>They have no sense of=20=
spacial relationships. <B>Or of following instructions. </B> I al=
ways have to go and reorganize...unfortunately that made it my job, no one w=
ants to develop these skills. <B>The rest of the world is very fortuna=
te to have us saving them from their own folly, but I get the feeling that w=
e are not as appreciated as we deserve.</B><BR>
<BR>
Geez, now you've gotton me to admit twice that I'm not as laid back and <BR>
easy going as I claim. This must stop. <B>There are (in theory)=20=
some matters in which a certain limited flexibility may not be entirely dele=
terious, but in all others, proper procedures should be followed. Unde=
r pain of death.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGR=
OUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"=
></B><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>Mr. Easygoing</B><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:37:47 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Large Armies
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The following from my political strategy advisor:
"A great quote made by some comedian, I think bill hicks =3D=3D>=20
"So Iraq had the fifth largest army in the world... So what did desert storm=
=20
teach us?=A0 That there is a HUGE f***ing drop-off between THE largest army=20=
and=20
the FIFTH largest army" =3DD"
XXX
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">The following from my political strategy advisor:<BR>
<BR>
"A great quote made by some comedian, I think bill hicks =3D=3D> <BR>
<BR>
"So Iraq had the fifth largest army in the world... So what did desert storm=
teach us?=A0 That there is a HUGE f***ing drop-off between THE largest army=
and the FIFTH largest army" =3DD"<BR>
<BR>
XXX</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:40:13 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: ATTEND-Christopher's help is needed.
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Thanks Christopher.
Steve
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<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:40:17 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Is that what you get when you mate your dog with...
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In a message dated 2/21/03 9:18:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Sign me, Boxersocks <<
...the former Presidential cat? Sign me, Perot with a Saxophone
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Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/03 9:18:23 AM Eastern St=
andard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ar=
ial" LANG=3D"0">
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic=
Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2=
px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Sign me, B=
oxersocks </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=
=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><<</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=
=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic=
Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">
<BR>...the former Presidential cat? Sign me, Perot w=
ith a Saxophone=20
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:41:48 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:00:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Don't mix up your calculators when you submit your invoice!
>
John,
We architects prefer not to submit invoices. It's so plebeian.
We know that our clients are honorable people who respect and appreciate our
professionalism, and who will pay us promptly and in full each and every
time, without exception.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:00:09 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Don't mix up your calculators w=
hen you submit your invoice!<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
We architects prefer not to submit invoices. It's so plebeian.<BR>
<BR>
We know that our clients are honorable people who respect and appreciate our=
professionalism, and who will pay us promptly and in full each and every ti=
me, without exception.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:43:42 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Large Armies
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In a message dated 2/21/03 9:38:37 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> A great quote made by some comedian, I think bill hicks ==>
Ken, I know we're both hoping the joke is as funny the second time around.
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Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/03 9:38:37 AM, ARWNY@AOL=
.COM writes:
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ial" LANG=3D"0">
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A great quote made by some=20=
comedian, I think bill hicks =3D=3D> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=20=
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<BR>Ken, I know we're both hoping the joke is as funny the second time aroun=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:43:56 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:05:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:
> No, but I can=E2=80=99t stand it when the big toe holes are both lefties!
I thought it was Steve's wife who had the peg leg. Maybe you two should get=
=20
together, and ditch Steve.
If you can get away. Har, har, har.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:05:31 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">No, but I can=E2=80=99t stand it when the big toe holes are=
both lefties!</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROU=
ND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
I thought it was Steve's wife who had the peg leg. Maybe you two shoul=
d get together, and ditch Steve.<BR>
<BR>
If you can get away. Har, har, har.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:45:56 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Clean Socks
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I think the clean socks is a camping thing. Dry feet are necessary for
survival. Clean socks are a joy.
W/ the diabetes it is important for me to maintain monitoring of my feet and
the daily use of clean socks is a habitual reminder for me to keep working to
avoid future need for amputation. I know that clean socks won't make a
difference, it is how I feel about clean socks that does. I see it as the
same phenomena of avoiding nativism that the British practiced in the Congo,
that is, as long as I am able to keep clean socks then there is hope against
the unknown darkness. What really bothers me is the prospect of blindness,
but it does not mean that I need clean eye cups daily.
][<en
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I think the clean socks is a camping thing. Dry=20=
feet are necessary for survival. Clean socks are a joy.</BLOCKQUOTE></=
FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 F=
AMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
W/ the diabetes it is important for me to maintain monitoring of my feet and=
the daily use of clean socks is a habitual reminder for me to keep working=20=
to avoid future need for amputation. I know that clean socks won't make a di=
fference, it is how I feel about clean socks that does. I see it as the same=
phenomena of avoiding nativism that the British practiced in the Congo, tha=
t is, as long as I am able to keep clean socks then there is hope against th=
e unknown darkness. What really bothers me is the prospect of blindness, but=
it does not mean that I need clean eye cups daily.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:46:03 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Boxers on?
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:18:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Please let me keep my memories for a while yet
Rudy,
In that case, don't try to keep them in your left socks.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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rial" LANG=3D"0">Please let me keep my memories for a while yet</BLOCKQUOTE>=
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
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Rudy,<BR>
<BR>
In that case, don't try to keep them in your left socks.<BR>
<BR>
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find matching
ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into the cities" to
meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
My solution to matching socks is to only buy socks all of the same color and
to throw out any socks that are not black.
][<en
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the eff=
ort to find matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "i=
nto the cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
My solution to matching socks is to only buy socks all of the same color and=
to throw out any socks that are not black.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: ATTEND-Christopher's help is needed.
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Scoundrel?
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Clean Socks
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:46:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> What really bothers me is the prospect of blindness, but it does not mean
> that I need clean eye cups daily.
>
Ken,
Isn't "the prospect of blindness" an oxymoron?
Just checking.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What really bothers me is the p=
rospect of blindness, but it does not mean that I need clean eye cups daily.=
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
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Ken,<BR>
<BR>
Isn't "the prospect of blindness" an oxymoron?<BR>
<BR>
Just checking. <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:53:59 EST
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Subject: Re: Sneaky Drilling
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Guess his name was neither Cheney nor Bush. Or Ewing, for that matter.
Maybe he was even a Democrat.
His name may have been Martin... but not the one Ralph dreams about. ][<en
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wing, for that matter. Maybe he was even a Democrat.</BLOCKQUOTE></FON=
T><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMI=
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His name may have been Martin... but not the one Ralph dreams about. ][<e=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:53:51 -0500
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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Ralph -
Are your clients all on the "Net 947" plan?
- Pam
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ralph Walter
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:42 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:00:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Don't mix up your calculators when you submit your invoice!
John,
We architects prefer not to submit invoices. It's so plebeian.
We know that our clients are honorable people who respect and appreciate
our professionalism, and who will pay us promptly and in full each and every
time, without exception.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=515325314-21022003>Ralph -</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=515325314-21022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=515325314-21022003>Are your clients all on the "Net 947"
plan?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=515325314-21022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=515325314-21022003>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ralph
Walter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 9:42 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response
& Constitution<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT
face=Arial lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/21/2003
9:00:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"
TYPE="CITE">Don't mix up your calculators when you submit your
invoice!<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>John,<BR><BR>We architects prefer not to submit
invoices. It's so plebeian.<BR><BR>We know that our clients are
honorable people who respect and appreciate our professionalism, and who will
pay us promptly and in full each and every time, without
exception.<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Draft Evasion
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More fuel for the democratic fire:
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed...=20
managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many=20
tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most=20
damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal=20
allegiance to their country." (Colin Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, My Amer=
ican=20
Journey, p. 148)=20
<A HREF=3D"http://www.awolbush.com/">http://www.awolbush.com/</A>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">More fuel for the democratic fire:<BR>
<BR>
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... mana=
ged to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many traged=
ies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damagin=
g to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance=
to their country." (Colin Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, <U>My American Jo=
urney</U>, p. 148) <BR>
<BR>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.awolbush.com/">http://www.awolbush.com/</A><BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:01:36 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Large Armies
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Ken, I know we're both hoping the joke is as funny the second time around.
10-4 on that bro'... nervous laughter in the background...
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"=
Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Ken, I know we're both hoping the joke is as fun=
ny the second time around.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUN=
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: It's despicable when people make light of the disabilities of
others....
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In a message dated 2/21/03 9:46:47 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> W/ the diabetes it is important for me to maintain monitoring of my feet and
> the daily use of clean socks is a habitual reminder for me to keep working
>
...but you would save on sock purchases. And swim fins. Yrs., 2LeftFeet
PS Also toenail clipper sharpening. Pedicures. Shoelaces. Shoe polish.
And Polish shoes.
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Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/03 9:46:47 AM, ARWNY@AOL=
.COM writes:
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ar=
ial" LANG=3D"0">
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">W/ the diabetes it is impor=
tant for me to maintain monitoring of my feet and the daily use of clean soc=
ks is a habitual reminder for me to keep working to avoid future need for am=
putation</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=20=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">
<BR>...but you would save on sock purchases. And swim fins. &nbs=
p; Yrs., 2LeftFeet
<BR>
<BR>PS Also toenail clipper sharpening. Pedicures. Shoelaces. &n=
bsp;Shoe polish. And Polish shoes.
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Subject: Re: ATTEND-Christopher's help is needed.
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Thanks to Christopher this was my response to Loi C. Estrada.
Dear Loi:
You little bitch! Joey was my husband, and I have the ring to prove it! You
give me back that $30 million or I will tear your lying ass apart! You keep
his two-timing ashes. Hey, and while you're at it how about get a job and
stop sending this ridiculous crap over the Internet you moron. Also I will
need your banking and credit card account numbers so I can provide for
Joseph's illegitimate children. Please forward all account numbers ASAP. Do
you know what ASAP means? Forward all monies to, The Pinheads of Bullamanka
Foundation c/o Ralf Walter AIA, BBA, FAA, Ph.D 1400 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, DC 20003.
Yrs., Now engaged to John Callan, Ralph Walter, Jim Hicks, ][<en Follett, and
Dan Becker
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my response to Loi C. Estrada.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACK=
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G=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
Dear Loi:<BR>
<BR>
You little bitch! Joey was my husband, and I have the ring to prove it! You=20=
give me back that $30 million or I will tear your lying ass apart! You keep=20=
his two-timing ashes. Hey, and while you're at it how about get a job and st=
op sending this ridiculous crap over the Internet you moron. Also I will nee=
d your banking and credit card account numbers so I can provide for Joseph's=
illegitimate children. Please forward all account numbers ASAP. Do you know=
what ASAP means? Forward all monies to, The Pinheads of Bullamanka Foundati=
on c/o Ralf Walter AIA, BBA, FAA, Ph.D 1400 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington, DC=
20003.<BR>
<BR>
Yrs., Now engaged to John Callan, Ralph Walter, Jim Hicks, ][<en Follett,=
and Dan Becker</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f=
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Subject: Re: Boxers on?
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:46:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> In that case, don't try to keep them in your left socks.
>
Good advice.
Sign me,
Holytoe
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=
=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:46:45 AM Easter=
n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">In that case, don't try to keep them in your left socks.<BR=
>
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Good advice.<BR>
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I'm pretty sure I heard a bit on NPR or saw something on PBS receintly =
about just that . Do Google search or go to their web sites.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ralph Walter=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/20/2003 8:59:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
You got any info on the Jewish utopia that Stalin created in the =
Soviet Union? A precursor to Israel. I'd never heard of it until the =
other day. What gives?
Turned out to be more of a Socialist non-paradise than a Jewish =
utopia. I THINK it was a late Lenin program, or very early Stalin, and =
the Jews proved to be more interested in being Jewish and insufficiently =
socialist for the Soviets' taste. =20
Others probably know more; I certainly hope so.
Ralph
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm pretty sure I heard a bit on NPR or =
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<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 20, =
2003 12:38=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response =
&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/20/2003 8:59:00 AM Eastern =
Standard=20
Time, <A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> =
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">You got any info on the Jewish utopia that Stalin =
created in the=20
Soviet Union? A precursor to Israel. I'd never heard of it until the =
other=20
day. What gives?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
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out to be more=20
of a Socialist non-paradise than a Jewish utopia. I THINK it was =
a late=20
Lenin program, or very early Stalin, and the Jews proved to be more =
interested=20
in being Jewish and insufficiently socialist for the Soviets' =
taste. =20
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I'ts not horizonal drilling but 'slant' drilling into Iraq from Kuwait.
April Glatsby, the ambisador, was reported to have said that the US didn't
have an intrest in Iraq's intentions in Kuwait. That is what was reported so
who knows what was really said. In any case I think SM was completely sand
bagged. Just the boogy man needed at the time. And now.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Marcham" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:05 PM
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> At what point in the "last time around" was this agreement for a slice of
> Kuwait alleged to have been made? The only thing I can recollect of that
> nature was a weak response by our envoy a short time before he invaded
> Kuwait as to the US's position on his saber rattling (not that I was
paying
> a whole lot of attention but that was one thing that hit the news back
then
> as to how SH could've gotten the idea that we wouldn't come to the
Kuwaiti's
> aid).
>
> My understanding of the situation was that SH was pissed because the
> Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal drilling
> technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal
though
> I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that), using it
> to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.
>
> Mind you this is just my understanding/recollection of what took place.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
> >
>
> I also understand that the US told Saddam that he could have a piece of
> Kuwait the last time around, some of their oil reserves, only he got
greedy
> and took too much and we therefore had to go in to slap him around as a
> result.
> >
>
> ][<en
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> Scoundrel?
Why thank you sir.
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rn Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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writes:
> My solution to matching socks is to only buy socks all of the same color and
> to throw out any socks that are not black.
>
Ken,
Even this doesn't work for me. The damn black socks fade to all manner of
mismatched shades of gray.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">My solution to matching socks i=
s to only buy socks all of the same color and to throw out any socks that ar=
e not black.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Ken,<BR>
<BR>
Even <U>this</U> doesn't work for me. The damn black socks fade to all=
manner of mismatched shades of gray.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Sneaky Drilling
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> His name may have been Martin... but not the one Ralph dreams about.
You mean there are more of them??????
Ralph
PS-- That dream only occurred once, thank God. So far, anyway.
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">His name may have been Martin..=
. but not the one Ralph dreams about. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
You mean there are more of them??????<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
PS-- That dream only occurred once, thank God. So far, anyway. </FONT>=
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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> Are your clients all on the "Net 947" plan?
>
Pam,
All right: I'll ask what the "Net 947 Plan" is.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Are your clients all on the "Net 947" plan?</FONT><FON=
T COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"=
SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Pam,<BR>
<BR>
All right: I'll ask what the "Net 947 Plan" is.<BR>
<BR>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:37:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
M=20
writes:
> More fuel for the democratic fire:
>=20
> "I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed...=20
> managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many=20
> tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most=
=20
> damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal=20
> allegiance to their country." (Colin Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, My Am=
erican=20
> Journey, p. 148)=20
>=20
I just knew I liked Powell. But wasn't he born in Jamaica or some damn=20
place, so we can't get him for President?
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">More fuel for the democratic fi=
re:<BR>
<BR>
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... mana=
ged to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many traged=
ies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damagin=
g to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance=
to their country." (Colin Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, <U>My American Jo=
urney</U>, p. 148) <BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
I just knew I liked Powell. But wasn't he born in Jamaica or some damn=
place, so we <U>can't</U> get him for President?<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ATTEND-Christopher's help is needed.
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[log in to unmask] writes:
> Ralf Walter AIA, BBA, FAA, Ph.D
You left out BFD. I'm sure her money will come pouring in right on top of
everybody's dues, and everyone will be invited to the party.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Ralf Walter AIA, BBA, FAA, Ph.D</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FO=
NT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
You left out BFD. I'm sure her money will come pouring in right on top of ev=
erybody's dues, and everyone will be invited to the party.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Boxers on?
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:41:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Good advice.
>
We aim to please. You aim too, please.
The Management
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:41:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> In any case I think SM was completely sandbagged.
Shoulda been sandbuggered.
Ralph
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Shoulda been sandbuggered.<BR>
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Subject: Re: It's despicable when people make light of the disabilities of
others....
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...but you would save on sock purchases.
Well... since you strike at the foot of the problem... did Sharpshooter
happen to be in Rhode Island list night playing with his box of fire
crackers? Terrible... terrible...
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In any case I think SM was completely sand bagged.
JH: So are you telling me it is not little SM in the child p*rn movies I've
been watching? I paid a hell of a lot of money to get them black market and
I'd hate to hear I got swindled. Oily little slicker ain't he? ][<en
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Subject: Re: BP On?
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The damn black socks fade to all manner of mismatched shades of gray.
You should stop getting your socks at the Summit Mall.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
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Are you saying he was a Chickenhawk?
http://www.awolbush.com/ <http://www.awolbush.com/>
Lots of entertaining reading.
From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>
Seems to me I read recently that Teddy Roosevelt was a woosie blow-hard.
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lol
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ralph Walter=20
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:48 AM
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It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell.
Jim,
As an architect, I use a special subtracting calculator when reviewing =
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EEEEW that'l hurt.
----- Original Message -----=20
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In any case I think SM was completely sandbagged.
Shoulda been sandbuggered.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>EEEEW that'l hurt.</FONT></DIV>
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 11:08:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> You left out BFD
Darn I left out BSE also.
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It's been a while since I read My American Journey - I think he is a "native" American, if y'all get my drift. I'll have to look it up to double check, though. It's a good read - lots of juicy lines that beg to be highlighted and read again.
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:04 AM
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Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:37:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
More fuel for the democratic fire:
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country." (Colin Powell’s autobiography, My American Journey, p. 148)
I just knew I liked Powell. But wasn't he born in Jamaica or some damn place, so we can't get him for President?
Ralph
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class=919454117-21022003>It's been a while since I read <U>My American
Journey</U> - I think he is a "native" American, if y'all get my drift.
I'll have to look it up to double check, though. It's a good read - lots
of juicy lines that beg to be highlighted and read again.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ralph
Walter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 11:04 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Draft
Evasion<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Arial lang=0
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:37:29 AM Eastern
Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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TYPE="CITE">More fuel for the democratic fire:<BR><BR>"I am angry that so
many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots
in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this
raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that
all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."
(Colin Powell’s autobiography, <U>My American Journey</U>, p. 148)
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I just knew I liked Powell. But wasn't he born
in Jamaica or some damn place, so we <U>can't</U> get him for
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Ralph -
Well, most receivables are Net 30 or Net 45 (as in days). I was just
wondering if your clients were on the 3 years, give or take a few days,
plan.
- Pam
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From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ralph Walter
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:03 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:35:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Are your clients all on the "Net 947" plan?
Pam,
All right: I'll ask what the "Net 947 Plan" is.
Ralph
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class=508084317-21022003>Ralph -</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=508084317-21022003>Well, most receivables are Net 30 or Net 45 (as in
days). I was just wondering if your clients were on the 3 years, give or
take a few days, plan.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=508084317-21022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=508084317-21022003>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ralph
Walter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 11:03 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response
& Constitution<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT
face=Arial lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/21/2003
10:35:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"
TYPE="CITE"></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" lang=0 size=2
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" FAMILY="SCRIPT">Are your clients all on
the "Net 947" plan?</FONT><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial lang=0 size=3
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial
lang=0 size=2 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Pam,<BR><BR>All right: I'll ask what the "Net 947
Plan" is.<BR><BR>Ralph </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:46:20 -0500
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Subject: Re: BP On?
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Ralph -
You and ][<en's son have something in common. Except, it's his white socks
that "fade" to all manner of mismatched shades of grey.
- Pam
-----Original Message-----
From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ralph Walter
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:00 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: BP On?
In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:34:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
My solution to matching socks is to only buy socks all of the same color
and to throw out any socks that are not black.
Ken,
Even this doesn't work for me. The damn black socks fade to all manner of
mismatched shades of gray.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=876164417-21022003>You and ][<en's son have something in common.
Except, it's his white socks that "fade" to all manner of mismatched shades
of grey.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=876164417-21022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=876164417-21022003>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ralph
Walter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 11:00 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: BP
On?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Arial lang=0
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:34:28 AM Eastern
Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"
TYPE="CITE">My solution to matching socks is to only buy socks all of the
same color and to throw out any socks that are not
black.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial lang=0 size=3
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT
color=#000000 face=Arial lang=0 size=2 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Ken,<BR><BR>Even <U>this</U> doesn't work for me. The
damn black socks fade to all manner of mismatched shades of
gray.<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:11:45 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: It's despicable when people make light of the disabilities of
others....
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 11:13:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> did Sharpshooter happen to be in Rhode Island list night playing with his
> box of fire crackers?
What I seriously wonder is whether the building (located in West Warwick, the
home of Dryvit) was built with EIFS.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">did Sharpshooter happen to be i=
n Rhode Island list night playing with his box of fire crackers?</BLOCKQUOTE=
></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
What I seriously wonder is whether the building (located in West Warwick, th=
e home of Dryvit) was built with EIFS. <BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:16:20 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 11:20:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> You should stop getting your socks at the Summit Mall.
>
I don't believe I've ever shopped there for clothing. Or food, either.
Electronics, hardware, and home furnishings, absolutely. Even I have some
standards, and have (mostly) outgrown the War Surplus mode. I'm talking
about brand new, not-previously-owned socks from Shoprite and some even
bought from stores whose major business is selling clothes.
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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cks at the Summit Mall.<BR>
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<BR>
I don't believe I've ever shopped there for clothing. Or food, either. Elect=
ronics, hardware, and home furnishings, absolutely. Even <U>I</U> have=
some standards, and have (mostly) outgrown the War Surplus mode. I'm=20=
talking about brand new, not-previously-owned socks from Shoprite and some e=
ven bought from stores whose major business is selling clothes.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:36:15 -0600
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP Un?
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Thanks for the offer, but one's enough.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 08:31 AM, Met History wrote:
> In a message dated 2/21/03 8:24:43 AM, [log in to unmask] =
writes:
>
> the placement of the dishes in the dishwasher. =A0They have no sense =
of=20
> spacial relationships. =A0=A0I always have to go and reorganize...
>
>
>
> John, I have fallen in love with you - will you marry me? =A0=A0Yrs.,=20=
> Rinse Cycle=
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Thanks for the offer, but one's enough.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 08:31 AM, Met History wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param><smaller>In a
message dated 2/21/03 8:24:43 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>the placement of the dishes in the dishwasher.
=A0They have no sense of spacial relationships. =A0=A0I always have to =
go
and reorganize...
<fontfamily><param>Times New =
Roman</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>John,
I have fallen in love with you - will you marry me? =A0=A0Yrs., Rinse =
Cycle</smaller></color></fontfamily></excerpt>=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:50:56 -0600
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
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I like that man more and more everyday! I share his anger. Look who=20
he's working for! He must have self discipline that most can only=20
imagine.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:00 AM, Ken Follett wrote:
> More fuel for the democratic fire:
>
> "I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and=20
> well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard=20=
> units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class=20
> discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all=20=
> Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their=20
> country." (Colin Powell=92s autobiography, My American Journey, p. =
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>
> http://www.awolbush.com/
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I like that man more and more everyday! I share his anger. Look who
he's working for! He must have self discipline that most can only
imagine.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:00 AM, Ken Follett wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>More fuel for the
democratic fire:
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard
units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their
country." (Colin Powell=92s autobiography, <underline>My American
Journey</underline>, p. 148)
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>http://www.awolbush.com/
</color></underline></smaller></fontfamily>
</excerpt>=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:22:23 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 12:45:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Well, most receivables are Net 30 or Net 45 (as in days). I was just
> wondering if your clients were on the 3 years, give or take a few days,
> plan.
>
Pam,
Actually my personal clients are pretty good about paying, with the
(temporary) exception of a friend of my wife's who seemed to think there was
some reason why she didn't need to pay a bill. One of my good friends (and
clients) was so pissed off by this that he offered to pay me and sue her for
what she owed. I've forgotten the details, but sure as hell remember the
attempted stiffing.
Unfortunately, Ken and my boss have had some joint clients who think that
making full payment is unnecessary. I somehow find that much more irritating
than when this woman tried to stiff me.
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/2003 12:45:03 PM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Well, most receivables are Net 30 or Net 45 (as in day=
s). I was just wondering if your clients were on the 3 years, give or=20=
take a few days, plan.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-CO=
LOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Pam,<BR>
<BR>
Actually my personal clients are pretty good about paying, with the (tempora=
ry) exception of a friend of my wife's who seemed to think there was some re=
ason why she didn't need to pay a bill. One of my good friends (and clients)=
was so pissed off by this that he offered to pay me and sue her for what sh=
e owed. I've forgotten the details, but sure as hell remember the attempted=20=
stiffing. <BR>
<BR>
Unfortunately, Ken and my boss have had some joint clients who think that ma=
king full payment is unnecessary. I somehow find that much more irrita=
ting than when this woman tried to stiff me.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:26:36 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 1:23:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I like that man more and more everyday! I share his anger. Look who
> he's working for! He must have self discipline that most can only
> imagine.
>
John,
I have often wondered how Powell could stand to work for such a moron, and
your point about the self discipline it must take to do so makes it even MORE
impressive.
Thanks!
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/2003 1:23:21 PM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I like that man more and more e=
veryday! I share his anger. Look who <BR>
he's working for! He must have self discipline that most can only <BR>
imagine.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
I have often wondered how Powell could stand to work for such a moron, and y=
our point about the self discipline it must take to do so makes it even MORE=
impressive.<BR>
Thanks!<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:21:27 -0500
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Subject: Re: Large Armies
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I read a good one in the paper this morning...
What do you call a crowd standing around with their hands up in the air?
scroll down
the French army.
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From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ken Follett
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:38 AM
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Subject: Large Armies
The following from my political strategy advisor:
"A great quote made by some comedian, I think bill hicks ==>
"So Iraq had the fifth largest army in the world... So what did desert
storm teach us? That there is a HUGE f***ing drop-off between THE largest
army and the FIFTH largest army" =D"
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ken
Follett<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 9:38 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Large
Armies<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Arial lang=0
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">The following from my political strategy
advisor:<BR><BR>"A great quote made by some comedian, I think bill hicks
==> <BR><BR>"So Iraq had the fifth largest army in the world... So what did
desert storm teach us? That there is a HUGE f***ing drop-off between THE
largest army and the FIFTH largest army" =D"<BR><BR>XXX</FONT>
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"Black socks, the longer you wear them the stronger they get." From an old
camp song, maybe the little Ralphs know it as I understand the big Ralphs
give them a vacation at a camp in beautiful Vermont in the summer. I don't
have to go to camp as I am in beautiful Vermont all the time and there
aren't any camps in NYC for me to go to. Ruth
At 9:47 AM -0500 2/21/03, Ken Follett wrote:
I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find matching
ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into the cities" to
meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
My solution to matching socks is to only buy socks all of the same color
and to throw out any socks that are not black.
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 7:19:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> "Black socks, the longer you wear them the stronger they get." Mine only
> seem to develop larger holes and greater discoloration, but I like the idea
> that they get stronger. From an old camp song, maybe the little Ralphs Only
> half went to VT, and it looks like none will go there this summer; your
> weather was too scary for Mollie The Bitch. know it as I understand the big
> Ralphs
> give them a vacation at a camp in beautiful Vermont in the summer. I don't
> have to go to camp as I am in beautiful Vermont all the time and there
> aren't any camps in NYC for me to go to. There are lots of PLACES for you
> to go to in New York , and I bet you could stay a hell of a lot cheaper
> down here than the Little Ralphs did up in VT. Couldn't she, guys (and
> guyettes)? Ruth Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">"Black socks, the longer you we=
ar them the stronger they get." <B>Mine only seem to develop larger holes an=
d greater discoloration, but I like the <U>idea</U> that they get stronger.<=
/B> From an old camp song, maybe the little Ralphs <B>Only half went to VT,=20=
and it looks like none will go there this summer; your weather was too scary=
for Mollie The Bitch. </B>know it as I understand the big Ralphs<BR>
give them a vacation at a camp in beautiful Vermont in the summer. I d=
on't<BR>
have to go to camp as I am in beautiful Vermont all the time and there<BR>
aren't any camps in NYC for me to go to. <B>There are lots of PLACES for you=
to go to in New York , and I bet you could stay a hell of a lot cheaper dow=
n here than the Little Ralphs did up in VT. Couldn't she, guys (and gu=
yettes)?</B> Ruth <B>Ralph</B><BR>
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Subject: UNH Library - posted (vintage) USGS topo maps...
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...usually one from the 1890's, one from the 1940's. Well organized, nice
display and nav.
at http://docs.unh.edu/nhtopos/nhtopos.htm
Christopher Gray
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0's. Well organized, nice display and nav.<BR>
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212-799-0520 fax -0542<BR>
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Subject: Recent applications to the Landmarks Commission....
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....Department of Condition Orange
895 Park Avenue [1920's art deco apartment house with its own squash court]:
Install emergency generator, $30,000
The Pierre, 2 East 61st Street: New terrace planters, ballistic shields
(clear), awning and wood decking. The ballistic shields are completely
hidden on all sides within evergreen plantings, $150,000; Shareholder:
Mr/Mrs. John Levin
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895 Park Avenue [1920's art deco apartment house with its own squash c=
ourt]: Install emergency generator, $30,000<BR>
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The Pierre, 2 East 61st Street: New terrace planters, ballistic shield=
s (clear), awning and wood decking. The ballistic shields are complete=
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Has any subscriber seen an engineering account of the likely scenario for the
actual shuttle break up? Was what observer's saw as a bright glowing trail,
was that typical for reentry, or was that the shuttle burning up? Did the
shuttle start tumbling (after it lost aerodynamic stability) and then broke
apart right away under the stress, or did it remain fundamentally intact and
"burn up"? If the first, why was there such a remarkable coherences seen in
the glowing trail as photographed? If the second, why aren't the materials
recovered more charred, even melted? Is the pattern of debris consistent
with an instant, or gradual breakup, given that it fell from 40 miles? Are
there radar plottings that document the deceleration of the "main" debris,
and what does that tell us? Aviation Week seems to be silent.
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Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Has any subscriber seen an engineering account o=
f the likely scenario for the actual shuttle break up? Was what=20=
observer's saw as a bright glowing trail, was that typical for reentry, or w=
as that the shuttle burning up? Did the shuttle start tumbling (after=20=
it lost aerodynamic stability) and then broke apart right away under the str=
ess, or did it remain fundamentally intact and "burn up"? If the=
first, why was there such a remarkable coherences seen in the glowing trail=
as photographed? If the second, why aren't the materials recovered mo=
re charred, even melted? Is the pattern of debris consiste=
nt with an instant, or gradual breakup, given that it fell from 40 miles?&nb=
sp; Are there radar plottings that document the deceleration of the "main" d=
ebris, and what does that tell us? Aviation Week seems to be sil=
ent. ----Christopher </FONT></HTML>
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Sharpshooter: Thankx... I'm always looking for topo maps and this is a good collection. The nice thing about topos is that the hard rock geology rarely changes. ][<en
Topo Dreams
Old fingers wrinkled soft
slide over creases, faded folds
in morning south light of breakfast nook.
Where feet and bones no longer travel
weary, eye searches circuitry of roads.
Stumbles over gray-haired swampland
blue image of river, stream,
small lakes where a love was resealed.
Avenues, interstate route numbers
southward, ageless,
an attraction to the place,
its reflection in name.
Of what was and where it moved over
to blending of triangles of field, forest --
where we are is a distant place
yearning will never satisfy to find.
Eroded, disfigured, revamped, renamed
the earth has erased your isolate trail.
Now there are only phantom landmarks
passed down in fading glimpse.
Your grandchildren will never know
magenta light of morning beneath that pine,
scorching of that sun lost forever
in peach blossom of a wild rose.
xxx
The poem is an amalgam of several factors both personal and objective. It was composed at the emotional peak of a series of commuter flights over southwest Indiana at about 3000 feet. At the time the author was reading an historical pamphlet about George Rogers Clark, whose monument in Vincennes the author was working on. It seems that an activity of the scouts in southwest Indiana is to periodically go out and search the winter march of Mr. Clark and his brave men. The only real difficulty is that referenced landmarks to the expedition have either vanished or bodily moved. There is no consensus as to the actual historic route to the expedition as it lies on the present earth.
This local endeavor to trace the bodily motions of ancestors is echoed in the search for the Ulysses of Homer. Thus the poem renders some semblance of neoclassic propriety in subject.
It is also echoed in the personal search to understand, empathize and relive the route of a favored ancestor. In this case the surface of the poem is directly about the authors maternal grandfather. Early in his life the grandfather emigrated to Central New York State from Iowa. Previously the family had arrived as Dutch Huguenots some time prior to the revolution and then migrated northward on the Hudson, many of them buried along the way, eventually landing in Iowa as sheep farmers. Grandfather Rose was obsessed with map collecting through his whole life. A never attained goal of his was to visit all of the United States.
On another level the simple poem is a detailed reworking of a decidedly childish patchwork quilt motif. A comment upon sign, symbol and the frailty of human generation forcibly squashed in between.
The reader may wonder how all of this weight came to reside upon such a short and simple set of lines. It is an opinion of the author that the garbage polemic of reality can well exist outside of the poetic expression. The poem as objective artifact resides in itself such as a fossil of bone or shard of Native American pottery. In this the poem represents a fragment of the imaginary landscape of our dreams. Though this fragment laden attitude may be detrimental to the full appreciation of the poetic artifact, it represents the best quality of contemporary poetry. The common cultural landmarks of poetry have either moved or vanished. Where common understanding would once have resided as a natural outcome of speech, we have this individual need to paraphrase the real in a journalistic prose.
First published in The American Geographical Society’s FOCUS.
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 07:44:41 -0500
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The adventures of my friends Eve & Festus. This is the last news that I have of them. Early Heaven’s Gate.
The Ithaca Journal, October 30, 1975, By Gail Dickinson
Two former Ithacans have joined a group of people from Oregon who say they are preparing to be taken to another level beyond humans by a spaceship.
The whereabouts of the two is not known, but recent letters to their families indicate they are committed to the group and its philosophy.
On Sept. 18, Michael Fiester, 24, and Eve Ujhelyi, 21. who left Ithaca in late 1973 for Oregon, joined the followers of a couple who claim to be "sent from another level above that of human."
Families of the two have received letters from both which tell of their belief in the couple and in their claims that persons who follow them. will be "reborn."
The disappearance of about 20 Oregon residents also with an undetermined number of Californians has been in the national news in recent weeks. There have been reports of people giving away children and property before leaving to join the group.
Dan Staggs, 43, a person with whom the two Ithacans were living in Springfield, Ore., also has joined the group. Staggs gave away his house before leaving, according to Chris Carlson, who now lives in the home.
Fiester's mother, Mrs. John Fiester of Trumansburg Road, Ithaca, said she has written to President Ford and will write Rep. Matthew McHugh (D Ithaca) requesting help in locating her son.
She, said she and. her husband were in Florida when her son left Oregon with the group. When they returned here last week, there were two letters from their son, one written around Sept. 18 before he left and mailed later by a friend, and another, postmarked Enid, Okla., and dated Oct. 12. Both letters were shown to The Journal by Mrs. Fiester.
In the first letter, Michael, known by friends to Ithaca as "Festus," said he was going on a "quest for the truth and my real self." He said he felt "directed to do it" and that it was his own will.
In the second letter, he explained that "in essence we are all endeavoring to be re united with our father creator." He said he was undergoing "the preparations necessary for any human to undergo in order to attain that next level."
In both of the letter. Fiester stressed he is doing this of his own free will and denied that "hypnosis, death, murder. fraud, etc.,". is involved.'
Eve Ujhelyi's father, who lives in Oregon, said in a telephone interview he has not heard from his daughter. Her sister, Gabriel, who lives in Atlanta, told The Journal she has received two communications. One, mailed from Oregon, was written before the pair left with the group, and the second, dated Oct. 7, was mailed from Yorkville, Ill.
In both letters, Ms. Ujhelyi asked her sister not to worry. In one, she said that she had "gone to see the Wizard and catch a spaceship."
It is not known if Ms. Ujhelyi and Fiester are still together. They told Ms. Carlson before they left that they expected to be separated, and in one of the letters to her sister, Ms. Ujhelyi said that "Festus is 'gone,' too."
Staggs is apparently no longer with the group, Ms. Carlson said. A recent letter, without postmark or date, has been received from him saying that he had "disassociated" himself from any group.
Ms. Carlson said that the three were very optimistic before they left. She stressed that they were "very capable people ... who knew what they were doing." She said she now regrets not having gone to the Oregon meetings to join the group.
"They have been pretty much exposed to the world," she said. "They knew what was real and what wasn't." She said she is not worried about the trio because "these people know when to bail out "
She said she would like to give the pair, "a lot of positive encouragement."
Fiester, Ms. Ujhelyi and Staggs attended three meetings over a two week period before they left on Sept. 18, Ms. Carlson said. She felt that in leaving, and limiting communication, the three were "demanding privacy to do what they want to do with their lives."
Before they left, Ms. Carlson said, they were upset at the criticism by their friends, who thought the whole thing was a hoax. The three people were "totally committed," she said, "and were hoping that their friends would understand."
Reaction from people who knew Ms. Ujhelyi and Fiester in Ithaca was one of surprise at the news. Friends described them as "intelligent and rational" people whom they would not expect to be "taken in" easily.
Ms. Ujhelyi's family was not religious, according to her sister Gabriel. Fiester, according to his mother, was raised to be religious, although he had not practiced any religion for several years. Mrs. Fiester said her son may be "trying to find something." She also said that she believed her son might be "brainwashed."
Besides the letters to Ford and McHugh, Mr. Fiester has gone to see District Attorney Joseph Joch, but Joch was unavailable this morning for comment.
Literature from the group, called by some the "Human Individual Metamorphosis" society, claims the group is not a religious, spiritual or philosophical organization. It claims it is "reality."
Fiester said in one letter that news accounts of the group are "faulty."
The two leaders of the group will be assassinated soon, the literature says, and will return after three days, when their followers will leave in a "space ship."
The two leaders, identified by police as Marshall Herff Applewhite, 43, and Bonnie Lee Trousdale Nettles, 48, both have criminal records. Applewhite spent four months in jail in St. Louis for car theft, and Miss Nettles was charged in Houston on credit card abuse. No record of the disposition of her case exists.
The whereabouts of the almost 90 disciples supposed to be with the couple is not known.
Two lecturers are scheduled to hold a meeting tonight in Oakland , Calif., according to the Portland Oregonian newspaper. The meeting place, the Upstairs Art Association, said it knew nothing about the meeting, according to the Oregonian. The association said a Halloween benefit is planned there tonight.
http://www.salon.com/march97/news/news970331.html
http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/events/03317eva.htm
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You have to pay Ralph your dues if you want to receive the secret
decoder ring.
(don't forget the finders fee Ralph. I'll be at the mail box.)
-jc
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> In a message dated 2/21/2003 6:25:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> What the heck is this, a secret Pinhead communication?
>
> Steve
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You have to pay Ralph your dues if you want to receive the secret
decoder ring.
(don't forget the finders fee Ralph. I'll be at the mail box.)
-jc
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<color><param>FFFF,0000,0000</param>What the heck is this, a secret
Pinhead communication?
Steve
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 07:55:03 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: I'm in the gutter
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Dear fellow Pinheads:
This includes Ralph by the way. I have a potential client who is involved
with a church project. The church dates back to 1769. They have had members
of the church over the years repoint the lower sections of the building. Man
what a fuster cluck. Anyway I have recommended that they need to seriously
look at installing gutters along the building to stop future deterioration of
the mortar and also to stop raising dampness which I think is contributing to
their lower interior plaster problems. Of course the latex paint that the
congregation continues to apply over the plaster to hide the water stains and
deteriorating plaster does not help either. What do you think would be
compatible guttering? Will copper or wood work?
Steve
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<BR>
This includes Ralph by the way. I have a potential client who is involved wi=
th a church project. The church dates back to 1769. They have had members of=
the church over the years repoint the lower sections of the building. Man w=
hat a fuster cluck. Anyway I have recommended that they need to seriously lo=
ok at installing gutters along the building to stop future deterioration of=20=
the mortar and also to stop raising dampness which I think is contributing t=
o their lower interior plaster problems. Of course the latex paint that the=20=
congregation continues to apply over the plaster to hide the water stains an=
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patible guttering? Will copper or wood work?<BR>
<BR>
Steve</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 07:22:12 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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What is the roof material; what condition are the soffits and facia in;
what is the grading like around the building; where will you place the
water instead of against the foundation; is the plaster damage below
grade; is there adequate ventilation; does the pointing or repointing
extend below grade?
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 06:55 AM, [log in to unmask]
wrote:
> Dear fellow Pinheads:
>
> This includes Ralph by the way. I have a potential client who is
> involved with a church project. The church dates back to 1769. They
> have had members of the church over the years repoint the lower
> sections of the building. Man what a fuster cluck. Anyway I have
> recommended that they need to seriously look at installing gutters
> along the building to stop future deterioration of the mortar and also
> to stop raising dampness which I think is contributing to their lower
> interior plaster problems. Of course the latex paint that the
> congregation continues to apply over the plaster to hide the water
> stains and deteriorating plaster does not help either. What do you
> think would be compatible guttering? Will copper or wood work?
>
> Steve
>
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What is the roof material; what condition are the soffits and facia
in; what is the grading like around the building; where will you place
the water instead of against the foundation; is the plaster damage
below grade; is there adequate ventilation; does the pointing or
repointing extend below grade?
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 06:55 AM, [log in to unmask]
wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Comic Sans MS</param>Dear fellow Pinheads:
This includes Ralph by the way. I have a potential client who is
involved with a church project. The church dates back to 1769. They
have had members of the church over the years repoint the lower
sections of the building. Man what a fuster cluck. Anyway I have
recommended that they need to seriously look at installing gutters
along the building to stop future deterioration of the mortar and also
to stop raising dampness which I think is contributing to their lower
interior plaster problems. Of course the latex paint that the
congregation continues to apply over the plaster to hide the water
stains and deteriorating plaster does not help either. What do you
think would be compatible guttering? Will copper or wood work?
Steve</fontfamily>
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 7:14:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> What the heck is this, a secret Pinhead communication?
>
> Steve
>
>
You haven't been paying attention to Sec'y Ridge. Osama's orders are in
there, plain as day. Or maybe Jefferson Davis'.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff0000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0p=
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<BR>
<BR>
Steve</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZ=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
You haven't been paying attention to Sec'y Ridge. Osama's orders are i=
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<BR>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 08:36:05 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Leland Torrence <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: CT historical maps
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Hello Christopher,
Thanks for the topo site. I attach a cool site for CT. Check the
historical maps collection. Great resolution.
Best,
Leland
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From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
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History
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:03 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: UNH Library - posted (vintage) USGS topo maps...
...usually one from the 1890's, one from the 1940's. Well organized,
nice display and nav.
at http://docs.unh.edu/nhtopos/nhtopos.htm
Christopher Gray
Office for Metropolitan History
246 West 80th Street, #8, NYC 10024
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<DIV><SPAN class=846523313-22022003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Hello
Christopher,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=846523313-22022003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks for the
topo site. I attach a cool site for CT. Check the historical maps
collection. Great resolution.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not
speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Met
History<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 11:03 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> UNH Library -
posted (vintage) USGS topo maps...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face="Times New Roman" size=2
FAMILY="SERIF">...usually one from the 1890's, one from the 1940's. Well
organized, nice display and
nav.<BR><BR>at
http://docs.unh.edu/nhtopos/nhtopos.htm<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Christopher Gray<BR>Office for Metropolitan History<BR>246
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<A STYLE='color:#000000;text-decoration:underline;' HREF="/ifla/">International Federation of Library Associations</A>
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The DEC Alpha 4000 that has served as the MAGIC server for the past six years died Thursday, Sept. 12th.
The motherboard was having problems providing power. The CPU fan stopped and we pronounced AlphaMAGIC dead.
John Gwinnell, the MAGIC systems administrator, worked over the weekend and has ported all the data
(over 100 Gigabytes on a 10 Megabit wire) over to another, albeit older, working system.
So, while things are getting back to normal, it will take some time to assure that ALL is working again.
Remember, MAGIC is a library, and things happen to libraries, like floods, earthquakes, leaky roofs and silverfish infestations.<BR>
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Now the real work of getting another server for MAGIC is at hand. These are tight fiscal times, as you all know.
Fortunately "Friends of MAGIC" have come forward. But if you too would like to be a Friend of MAGIC and donate toward
a new, robust, shiny, speedy server, please let me, <A HREF="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Patrick McGlamery</A> know.<BR>
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Also, please feel free to send me any broken links, etc. We might know of them or not. And please, be patient...
it's really just John fixing it all... in addition to managing the University's library system.
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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Copper is good, and more durable. But copper gutters won't do anything for
rising damp, and if the walls are seriously wet, it will take months (if not
years) for them to dry out enough to take paint.
Ralph
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What is the roof material Asphalt shingles. It would be nice to try and
figure out what was there originally.
what condition are the soffits and facia in Some need replacing.
what is the grading like around the building The front and right side
seems to be fairly level, there is a building (social hall) on the right
side. The left side slopes away and the rear gradually slopes away fairly
steeply (wooded area to the rear).
where will you place the water instead of against the foundation I don't
know. What should they consider?
is the plaster damage below grade No, above grade.
is there adequate ventilation Did not check
does the pointing or repointing extend below grade No.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">What is the roof material </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"=
#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=
=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"> Asphalt shingles. It would be=20=
nice to try and figure out what was there originally.<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
what condition are the soffits and facia in </FONT><FONT =20=
COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCR=
IPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Some need replacing.<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">what is the grading like aro=
und the building </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" sty=
le=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sa=
ns MS" LANG=3D"0">The front and right side seems to be fairly level, there i=
s a building (social hall) on the right side. The left side slopes away and=20=
the rear gradually slopes away fairly steeply (wooded area to the rear).<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">where will you place the wat=
er instead of against the foundation </FONT><FONT C=
OLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRI=
PT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">I don't know. What should they conside=
r?<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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<BR>
is the plaster damage below grade &=
nbsp; </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SI=
ZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">No, above grade.<=
BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">is there adequate ventilatio=
n </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=20=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic=
Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Did not check<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">does the pointing or repoint=
ing extend below grade </FON=
T><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMI=
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Subject: Re: UNH Library - posted (vintage) USGS topo maps...
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In a message dated 2/22/03 7:05:27 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> . It is an opinion of the author that the garbage polemic of reality can
> well exist outside of the poetic expression.
Ken, you are the only Vice-President of anything that writes like this
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r that the garbage polemic of reality can well exist outside of the poetic e=
xpression. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Subject: Re: BP On?
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Naw, all us commie, hippy, faggots wear sandles.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ralph Walter=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: BP On?
In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks=20
ain't one of those things. I used to have a mild concern about the=20
black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started =
working from home. Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the =
top.=20
I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find=20
matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into =
the=20
cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
But finding my spouse is much more interesting. Hell, I still shave =
dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
John,=20
I guess we just have different priorities. I haven't shaved in 30 =
years, but hate the notion of mismatched socks. Then again, it appears =
that we are in complete agreement on the importance of clean socks on a =
daily basis.
Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Naw, all us commie, hippy, faggots wear =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jh</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph =
Walter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 20, =
2003 10:11=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: BP On?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:53:57 PM Eastern =
Standard=20
Time, <A =
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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TYPE=3D"CITE">I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about =
stuff...but=20
socks <BR>ain't one of those things. I used to have a mild =
concern=20
about the <BR>black socks matching, but that problem was simplified =
when I=20
started <BR>working from home. Most days I just grab a clean =
pair of=20
from the top. <BR>I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the =
effort=20
to find <BR>matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have =
to go=20
"into the <BR>cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to =
impress.<BR><BR>But=20
finding my spouse is much more interesting. Hell, I still =
shave=20
<BR>dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and =
catz!<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>John,=20
<BR><BR>I guess we just have different priorities. I haven't =
shaved in=20
30 years, but hate the notion of mismatched socks. Then again, =
it=20
appears that we are in complete agreement on the importance of clean =
socks on=20
a daily basis.<BR><BR>Any of you pervs out there got any objection to =
clean=20
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Subject: Re: Permitting Saddam
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The triple X remindes me that yesterday was the anniversary of Malcolm's =
assassination.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gabriel Orgrease=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:05 AM
Subject: Permitting Saddam
"But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border =
disagreement with Kuwait." US Ambassador April Glaspie to Saddam Hussein =
prior to the aggression of Iraq against Kuwait, as quoted from a =
transcript supplied by Iraq to the New York Times. It is reported that =
later Glaspie told a reporter to the effect that it had never been =
considered that Saddam would take all of Kuwait. A journalist questioned =
then as to what amount of Kuwait the Bush administration did expect =
Saddam to take as a result of the implication that America took no =
interest in the Iraq-Kuwait border conflict. No answer. If any of this =
is true I have no idea. It may have been more a case of Glaspie not =
being quite up to the task and her misunderstanding the depth of the =
intentions behind Saddam's words. Regardless, the incident is often =
cited as the US having given Saddam permission to invade and annex =
Kuwait.
XXX
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The triple X remindes me that yesterday =
was the=20
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<A [log in to unmask] =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Gabriel=20
Orgrease</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 =
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AM</DIV>
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Saddam</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman, Times, serif" =
color=3D#330033>"But=20
we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border =
disagreement=20
with Kuwait." </FONT><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman, Times, serif">US =
Ambassador=20
April Glaspie to Saddam Hussein</FONT> prior to the aggression of Iraq =
against=20
Kuwait, as quoted from a transcript supplied by Iraq to the New York =
Times. It=20
is reported that later Glaspie told a reporter to the effect that it =
had never=20
been considered that Saddam would take <U>all </U>of Kuwait. A =
journalist=20
questioned then as to what amount of Kuwait the Bush administration =
did expect=20
Saddam to take as a result of the implication that America took no =
interest in=20
the Iraq-Kuwait border conflict. No answer. If any of this is true I =
have no=20
idea. It may have been more a case of Glaspie not being quite up to =
the task=20
and her misunderstanding the depth of the intentions behind Saddam's =
words.=20
Regardless, the incident is often cited as the US having given Saddam=20
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John, the problem with "evidence" is, who's collecting it. The one's =
doing the irregularities are the authorities charged with investigation.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Callan=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and =
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be charged. =
Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my right to =
due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida, =
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them =
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany of =
your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the cost =
savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the =
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys in =
the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little 200 =
acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of =
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The =
popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is going =
on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that cause =
problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I =
vote in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case =
Demdumb won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged =
from the voting reg six months before the election and on election day =
in many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus =
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that just =
this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern =
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Walter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much =
to my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby =
electing Dubya.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John, the problem with "evidence" is, =
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<A [log in to unmask] =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">John=20
Callan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 =
8:37=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response =
&=20
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Jim,<BR><BR>Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities =
should=20
be investigated and if the evidence supports the charge, the =
perpetrators=20
should be charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to =
protect=20
my right to due process).<BR><BR>Popular vote? That's a great idea. If =
you are=20
from Texas, Florida, California or New York. No problem for you, =
you'll have=20
all them politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook =
and crany=20
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the =
cost=20
savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the =
wilderness.=20
Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys in the =
cities would=20
like that! And your farmers with their cute little 200 acre plots =
would be=20
competitive again! You've got the house of representatives...enough is =
enough!<BR><BR>Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where =
it=20
happens. The popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to =
know what=20
is going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that =
cause=20
problems.<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR><BR>On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 =
AM, Jim=20
Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>It would help if you =
were=20
able to add better than I can spell. I vote in NY and the State was =
carried=20
by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb won the pop vote, he just lost =
in Fla=20
where blacks were purged from the voting reg six months before the =
election=20
and on election day in many black counties there were road blocks =
leading to=20
the polls (plus all of the other voting eregularities which the =
supreams=20
said that just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case =
the=20
"Southern Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the =
grand ole=20
sout.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>jh<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>-----=20
Original Message -----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
<U><?color><?param 1999,1999,FFFF>Ralph =
Walter<?/color></U><BR><B>To:</B>=20
<U><?color><?param =
1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color></U><BR>=
<B>Sent:</B>=20
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq =
response=20
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message=20
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1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color></U>=20
writes:<BR><BR>Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a =
reg Dummy=20
much to my shame.<BR><BR><BR><BR><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>What =
you=20
SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing=20
=
Dubya.<BR><BR>Ralph<?/color><?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE=
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Popular vote etc. I think that is why there is a senate with two reps =
from each state no matter how large or small the population.
I think the main problem is are we living in a democracy or a =
capitolacracy?
It seems to me democracy =3D capitol in this country and the more =
capitol the more democracy.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Callan=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and =
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be charged. =
Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my right to =
due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida, =
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them =
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany of =
your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the cost =
savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the =
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys in =
the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little 200 =
acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of =
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The =
popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is going =
on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that cause =
problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I =
vote in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case =
Demdumb won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged =
from the voting reg six months before the election and on election day =
in many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus =
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that just =
this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern =
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Walter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much =
to my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby =
electing Dubya.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Popular vote etc. I think that is why =
there is a=20
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population.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think the main problem is are we =
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democracy or a capitolacracy?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It seems to me democracy =3D capitol in =
this country=20
and the more capitol the more democracy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jh</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] =
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Callan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
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</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 =
8:37=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response =
&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Jim,<BR><BR>Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities =
should=20
be investigated and if the evidence supports the charge, the =
perpetrators=20
should be charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to =
protect=20
my right to due process).<BR><BR>Popular vote? That's a great idea. If =
you are=20
from Texas, Florida, California or New York. No problem for you, =
you'll have=20
all them politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook =
and crany=20
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the =
cost=20
savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the =
wilderness.=20
Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys in the =
cities would=20
like that! And your farmers with their cute little 200 acre plots =
would be=20
competitive again! You've got the house of representatives...enough is =
enough!<BR><BR>Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where =
it=20
happens. The popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to =
know what=20
is going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that =
cause=20
problems.<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR><BR>On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 =
AM, Jim=20
Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>It would help if you =
were=20
able to add better than I can spell. I vote in NY and the State was =
carried=20
by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb won the pop vote, he just lost =
in Fla=20
where blacks were purged from the voting reg six months before the =
election=20
and on election day in many black counties there were road blocks =
leading to=20
the polls (plus all of the other voting eregularities which the =
supreams=20
said that just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case =
the=20
"Southern Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the =
grand ole=20
sout.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>jh<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>-----=20
Original Message -----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
<U><?color><?param 1999,1999,FFFF>Ralph =
Walter<?/color></U><BR><B>To:</B>=20
<U><?color><?param =
1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color></U><BR>=
<B>Sent:</B>=20
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq =
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writes:<BR><BR>Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a =
reg Dummy=20
much to my shame.<BR><BR><BR><BR><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>What =
you=20
SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing=20
=
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 09:13:48 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:40:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Copper is good, and more durable. But copper gutters won't do anything for
> rising damp, and if the walls are seriously wet, it will take months (if
> not years) for them to dry out enough to take paint.
>
I was trying to come up with something to try and get as much water away from
the building as possible. They currently have only one section of gutter on
the back side to keep roof run off from hitting their HVAC units. Basically
the entire lower section (2' to 4') has been or needs to be repointed. I
associated this with roof water run off. It is possible that the plaster
deterioration maybe from window sill leaks. They are currently looking for
folks to repair some of the window woodwork and this scares the hell out of
me considering the idiot craftsmen in this city. Heck I can't even afford
them the distinction of craftsmen. I don't know what to call them. The walls
are 21" or 23" thick. It all depends on who you ask. I did not see any
evidence of moisture in the plaster yesterday except for one small area. We
are expecting some severe weather today so maybe tomorrow I will take a look
to see if I can find some evidence of what is going on. I think the building
at one time was lime washed and I think was painted later. The congregation
had someone remove the paint(?) and in doing so used steam pressure washer
which in turn destroyed the fire skin on the soft brick. There should be a
death penalty given when morons like this are allowed to destroy a structure
like this. I think the punishment should be comparable to the crime. In this
case it would skin removal with high pressure steam pressure washer.
Steve
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=
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n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">Copper is good, and more durable. But copper gutters=20=
won't do anything for rising damp, and if the walls are seriously wet, it wi=
ll take months (if not years) for them to dry out enough to take paint.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
I was trying to come up with something to try and get as much water away fro=
m the building as possible. They currently have only one section of gutter o=
n the back side to keep roof run off from hitting their HVAC units. Basicall=
y the entire lower section (2' to 4') has been or needs to be repointed. I a=
ssociated this with roof water run off. It is possible that the plaster dete=
rioration maybe from window sill leaks. They are currently looking for folks=
to repair some of the window woodwork and this scares the hell out of me co=
nsidering the idiot craftsmen in this city. Heck I can't even afford them th=
e distinction of craftsmen. I don't know what to call them. The walls are 21=
" or 23" thick. It all depends on who you ask. I did not see any evidence of=
moisture in the plaster yesterday except for one small area. We are expecti=
ng some severe weather today so maybe tomorrow I will take a look to see if=20=
I can find some evidence of what is going on. I think the building at one ti=
me was lime washed and I think was painted later. The congregation had someo=
ne remove the paint(?) and in doing so used steam pressure washer which in t=
urn destroyed the fire skin on the soft brick. There should be a death penal=
ty given when morons like this are allowed to destroy a structure like this.=
I think the punishment should be comparable to the crime. In this case it w=
ould skin removal with high pressure steam pressure washer.<BR>
<BR>
Steve</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 09:17:19 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Go back further in the hist. of SH. Who gave him the green light to go =
to war with Iran? Does there need to be a "green light" for there to be =
a gereral understanding that the largest (capitol, military) country in =
the world stands behind a series of activities with money, weapons, =
intel etc. for this general understanding to take root. In the world of =
the enemy of my enemy is my friend some things are taken for granted.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ken Follett=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: Permitting Saddam
I don't see where this gave the nice Mr. Hussein a green light to take =
anything. =20
The point is that it probably did not give a green light, then again =
it did not give a red light, and the relevance is the interpretation =
that such wobbly and inept diplomacy is a weakness to be exploited. In =
the same conversation Saddam expressed that the US was too weak to =
stomach 10,000 body bags. An Iraq official later admitted that they knew =
full well that the US would not be happy. Is it good for the US to have =
a global reputation as a blow-hard and diplomatic woosie? Last thing I =
want is kids that I know in the military today not coming home. Seems to =
me I read recently that Teddy Roosevelt was a woosie blow-hard.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Go back further in the hist. of SH. Who =
gave him=20
the green light to go to war with Iran? Does there need to be a "green =
light"=20
for there to be a gereral understanding that the largest (capitol, =
military)=20
country in the world stands behind a series of activities with money, =
weapons,=20
intel etc. for this general understanding to take root. In the=20
world of the enemy of my enemy is my friend some things =
are=20
taken for granted.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jh</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
[log in to unmask]</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 =
9:23=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Permitting =
Saddam</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">I don't see where this gave the nice Mr. Hussein =
a green=20
light to take anything. =20
<BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 =
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=20
face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>The point is that it probably did not give a =
green=20
light, then again it did not give a red light, and the relevance is =
the=20
interpretation that such wobbly and inept diplomacy is a weakness to =
be=20
exploited. In the same conversation Saddam expressed that the US was =
too weak=20
to stomach 10,000 body bags. An Iraq official later admitted that they =
knew=20
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Bill Hicks................Jim =
Hicks????????????????????????????????????????
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ken Follett=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:37 AM
Subject: Large Armies
The following from my political strategy advisor:
"A great quote made by some comedian, I think bill hicks =3D=3D>=20
"So Iraq had the fifth largest army in the world... So what did desert =
storm teach us? That there is a HUGE f***ing drop-off between THE =
largest army and the FIFTH largest army" =3DD"
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bill Hicks................Jim=20
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<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 =
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AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Large Armies</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">The following from my political strategy =
advisor:<BR><BR>"A=20
great quote made by some comedian, I think bill hicks =3D=3D> =
<BR><BR>"So Iraq=20
had the fifth largest army in the world... So what did desert storm =
teach=20
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army and=20
the FIFTH largest army" =3DD"<BR><BR>XXX</FONT> =
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 09:22:00 -0500
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No I think Powell was born here; the black entertainer (collipso singer, =
I can't remember his name) that called him a house n......r in a receint =
interview is from there.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ralph Walter=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:37:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
More fuel for the democratic fire:
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and =
well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard =
units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination =
strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are =
created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country." (Colin =
Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, My American Journey, p. 148)=20
I just knew I liked Powell. But wasn't he born in Jamaica or some =
damn place, so we can't get him for President?
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No I think Powell was born here; the =
black=20
entertainer (collipso singer, I can't remember his name) that =
called=20
him a house n......r in a receint interview is from there.</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph =
Walter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
=
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[log in to unmask]</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 =
11:04=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Draft =
Evasion</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:37:29 AM Eastern =
Standard=20
Time, <A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> =
writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">More fuel for the democratic fire:<BR><BR>"I am angry =
that so=20
many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to =
wangle slots=20
in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies of =
Vietnam, this=20
raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the =
ideal that=20
all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their =
country."=20
(Colin Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, <U>My American Journey</U>, =
p. 148)=20
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I just knew I liked Powell. But wasn't =
he born=20
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I did'nt get that one, you'll have to share.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ken Follett=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In any case I think SM was completely sand bagged.
JH: So are you telling me it is not little SM in the child p*rn movies =
I've been watching? I paid a hell of a lot of money to get them black =
market and I'd hate to hear I got swindled. Oily little slicker ain't =
he? ][<en
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did'nt get that one, you'll have to=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jh</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 =
11:15=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response =
&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In any case I think SM was completely sand =
bagged.
<BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>JH: So are you telling me it is not =
little SM=20
in the child p*rn movies I've been watching? I paid a hell of a lot of =
money=20
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If you do a google search for chickenhawk there is list of all the current
and past politicos and their chickenhawk statis.
----- Original Message -----
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To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Permitting Saddam
> Are you saying he was a Chickenhawk?
>
> http://www.awolbush.com/ <http://www.awolbush.com/>
>
> Lots of entertaining reading.
>
>
> From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>
> >
> Seems to me I read recently that Teddy Roosevelt was a woosie blow-hard.
>
> ][<en
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: CT historical maps
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> . I attach a cool site for CT.
Wow, thanks. Way cool. Deck. Glossy. Christopher
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I think one of the juiciest parts, which I would hope was in this book, =
is the part where he testifies to the senate subcommity on Iran contra =
to the effect that he didn't know if Cap Weinberger kept a diary, but in =
a later interview let it slip that he did know.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Pam Stevenson=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
It's been a while since I read My American Journey - I think he is a =
"native" American, if y'all get my drift. I'll have to look it up to =
double check, though. It's a good read - lots of juicy lines that beg =
to be highlighted and read again.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ralph =
Walter
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:04 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:37:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
More fuel for the democratic fire:
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and =
well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard =
units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination =
strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are =
created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country." (Colin =
Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, My American Journey, p. 148)=20
I just knew I liked Powell. But wasn't he born in Jamaica or some =
damn place, so we can't get him for President?
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think one of the juiciest parts, =
which I would=20
hope was in this book, is the part where he testifies to the senate =
subcommity=20
on Iran contra to the effect that he didn't know if Cap Weinberger =
kept a=20
diary, but in a later interview let it slip that he did =
know.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jh</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A [log in to unmask] =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Pam=20
Stevenson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
[log in to unmask]</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 =
12:42=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Draft =
Evasion</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D919454117-21022003>It's been a while since I read <U>My =
American=20
Journey</U> - I think he is a "native" American, if y'all get my =
drift. =20
I'll have to look it up to double check, though. It's a good =
read - lots=20
of juicy lines that beg to be highlighted and read =
again.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not =
speak foul in=20
folly!" - ][<en Phollit=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Ralph=20
Walter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 11:04 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
Draft=20
Evasion<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =
lang=3D0=20
face=3DArial size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated =
2/21/2003 10:37:29=20
AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">More fuel for the democratic fire:<BR><BR>"I am angry =
that so=20
many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to =
wangle=20
slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies =
of=20
Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most =
damaging to=20
the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal =
allegiance to=20
their country." (Colin Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, <U>My =
American Journey</U>,=20
p. 148) <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I just knew I liked Powell. =
But=20
wasn't he born in Jamaica or some damn place, so we <U>can't</U> get =
him for=20
President?<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT> =
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> Bill Hicks................Jim Hicks????????????????????????????????????????
What's the difference?
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 09:53:38 -0500
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From: Jim Hicks <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Shuttle break up...
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I don't know any of that but attached is a photo of the shuttle as it =
passed over western AZ a minute before breakup, that my brother sent me. =
I also have the v-mail of him saying 'there is is, it's gone now' or =
some such. The shuttle is that little white dot on the left.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Met History=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:22 AM
Subject: Shuttle break up...
Has any subscriber seen an engineering account of the likely scenario =
for the actual shuttle break up? Was what observer's saw as a bright =
glowing trail, was that typical for reentry, or was that the shuttle =
burning up? Did the shuttle start tumbling (after it lost aerodynamic =
stability) and then broke apart right away under the stress, or did it =
remain fundamentally intact and "burn up"? If the first, why was there =
such a remarkable coherences seen in the glowing trail as photographed? =
If the second, why aren't the materials recovered more charred, even =
melted? Is the pattern of debris consistent with an instant, or =
gradual breakup, given that it fell from 40 miles? Are there radar =
plottings that document the deceleration of the "main" debris, and what =
does that tell us? Aviation Week seems to be silent. ----Christopher
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<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Met =
History</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 22, =
2003 5:22=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Shuttle break =
up...</DIV>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF">Has any subscriber seen an engineering =
account of the=20
likely scenario for the actual shuttle break up? Was what=20
observer's saw as a bright glowing trail, was that typical for =
reentry, or was=20
that the shuttle burning up? Did the shuttle start tumbling =
(after it=20
lost aerodynamic stability) and then broke apart right away under the =
stress,=20
or did it remain fundamentally intact and "burn up"? If =
the first,=20
why was there such a remarkable coherences seen in the glowing trail =
as=20
photographed? If the second, why aren't the materials recovered =
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charred, even melted? Is the pattern of debris =
consistent=20
with an instant, or gradual breakup, given that it fell from 40 =
miles? =20
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:02:36 EST
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Shuttle break up...
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In a message dated 2/22/03 9:54:47 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I don't know any of that but attached is a photo of the shuttle as it passed
> over western AZ a minute before breakup, that my brother sent me. I also
> have the v-mail of him saying 'there is is, it's gone now' or some such.
> The shuttle is that little white dot on the left.
Jim, thanks but, uh, I don't think this photo is going to be dispositive.
Best, Pairy Mason
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e breakup, that my brother sent me. I also have the v-mail of him saying 'th=
ere is is, it's gone now' or some such. The shuttle is that little white dot=
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Subject: 1891 Handwritten New York City Diary
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This was listed on a genealogy list I sub to. It might be interesting to
you preservation types in NYC. I love old diaries but don't think this one
is for me. Might give some insight to some of those old buildings, or
maybe they are all gone by now. Ruth
o 1891 Handwritten New York City Diary; Item # 2510182152
Auction ends: Feb-26-03 19:42:30 PST; Seller: diaries
This diary is a cloth-covered tan diary, about 3" x 5" closed. I
looked for the name of the author, but can't seem to find it. I
know a lot about him, just can't find his name. He seems to be a
builder or someone who does remodeling and lived in or near New
York City during 1891. He usually lists the street address for
most of the jobs he's working on at the time. The diary is
practically full. The diary starts out with him either building
or remodeling a Tabernacle in town and many pages are devoted to
writing about it, as well as other very interesting things:
"Ed R meets the architect to decide on decorations for back of
pulpit. . . Lew L., two sweeds [sic] and I work all day at the
Tabernacle. Part of the carpenters off and they commence to lay
a paper floor. . . Pay night, give up $5.00 to the Union
Delegates. Mob in New Orleans kill 11 Italians. . . mom looses
her case trying to break Ray HAMILTON's will. . . The grip [sic]
is raging again. . . Work all day at Park Ave. near 62nd St.
New York. Varnishing in hall on 5th floor. . . The Italian
minister at Washington recalled on account of New Orleans riot.
Worked all day at the Tabernacle on the plastic ornaments,
weather threatening. Visitor falls through a hole in the floor.
Work at the Tabernacle all day. Delegate DAVIS calls on us.
P. T BARNUM died yesterday. . . Pay night. Italy threatens to
take away the legation and give minister PORTER his passport.
They begin tuning the Organ. . . Go to see Lydia THOMPSON in the
Dazler at the park in evening. . . No work at the shop, go over
to New York to 84th Street and Amsterdam and stop at Washington
Market on my way down. . . Bicycle parade in prospect park in
Aft. . . . Work all day at 126 Delancy St. New York in a tenant
house among bugs of all kinds. . . seen a little girl run over
by a truck. . . work all day at Delancy St. We get 4th floor
ready for paper hanging. Weather very warm. We see a street
fight on the way home. . . Big fire raging at Jacksonville
Florida. . . Street dug out for Cable road. . . building blown
up and set a fire in Park Place about noon. . . Balamacidia is
defeated in Chili. . . five democrats start for the Saratoga
convention, two train loads from Brooklyn. . . there is a new
street commissioner appointed in New York in the place of
BEATRIX. . . Register for voting and get examined for the Royal
Arcanum. . . Maria calls me up at 4:00 am to go for doctor, the
girl is born. . . Emma has a rupture. . . Brooklyn has a water
famine. . . big fire at Court and Harrison last night, no water
to fight it, they get the water started today. . . ground broke
for a bridge over the Hudson. . ." He also mentions many names
such as: George SHERMAN, Miss POLLICK, Lydia THOMPSON, Dock
BARTELL, Dr. LEWIS, COSGROVE, Gov. HILL, Dr. ABBOTT, CAREY
Bros., H. C. HODKINS, D. H. SMITH, TERWILIGER, George TIFFANY,
Will TARBOX, Ira HARRIS, and F. W. ABELL. There are more names,
but for many he just uses initials. Places mentioned: Newburgh,
Greenwood, Brooklyn, Mohawk Valley, Talmadge, Washington,
Saratoga, Fort Hamilton, Bath Beach, Coney Island, Albany,
Hyndsville, Lawyerville, Cobleskill, Manhattan beach, and
Prospect park. There is much more.
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: UNH Library - posted (vintage) USGS topo maps...
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:51:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Ken, you are the only Vice-President of anything that writes like this
> since...since...Truman?
What about that Office for Metropolitan History guy? Isn't he a corporate
officer, or is he just some drone employee of the bill collector? Maybe he
doesn't write as well as that other Missourian, anyway.
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:51:10 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Ken, you are the only Vice-President of anything that=
writes like this since...since...Truman?</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" sty=
le=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial=
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What about that Office for Metropolitan History guy? Isn't he a corpor=
ate officer, or is he just some drone employee of the bill collector? =20=
Maybe he doesn't write as well as that other Missourian, anyway.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:13:54 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 9:04:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Naw, all us commie, hippy, faggots wear sandles.
>
If you were a real commie hippie faggot queer homo, you'd call them Jesus
boots.
Ralph, former Earth Shoe wearer, gone over to boots and sandals (in season) .
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Naw, all us commie, hippy, fagg=
ots wear sandles.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=20=
#ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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If you were a real commie hippie faggot queer homo, you'd call them Jesus bo=
ots.<BR>
<BR>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Permitting Saddam
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 9:05:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> The triple X remindes me that yesterday was the anniversary of Malcolm's
> assassination.
>
Let us remove our yarmulkes in tribute.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The triple X remindes me that y=
esterday was the anniversary of Malcolm's assassination.</FONT><FONT COLOR=
=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERI=
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Let us remove our yarmulkes in tribute.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 09:27:11 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Socks and Sandals
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Minnesotans tend to wear both socks and sandles. Sounds odd at first,=20=
but one adapts.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> Naw, all us commie, hippy, faggots wear sandles.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Walter
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: BP On?
>
> In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks
> ain't one of those things.=A0 I used to have a mild concern about the
> black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started
> working from home.=A0 Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the =
top.
> I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find
> matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into =
the
> cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
>
> But finding my spouse is much more interesting.=A0 Hell, I still shave
> dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
>
>
>
> John,
>
> I guess we just have different priorities.=A0 I haven't shaved in 30=20=
> years, but hate the notion of mismatched socks.=A0 Then again, it=20
> appears that we are in complete agreement on the importance of clean=20=
> socks on a daily basis.
>
> Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
>
> Ralph
>
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Minnesotans tend to wear both socks and sandles. Sounds odd at first,
but one adapts. =20
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Naw, all us commie,
hippy, faggots wear sandles.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>jh</smaller></fontfamily>
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold>
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>Ralph =
Walter</color></underline>
<bold>To:</bold>
=
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS@MAELSTR=
OM.STJOHNS.EDU</color></underline>
<bold>Sent:</bold> Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:11 PM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: BP On?
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated 2/20/2003
9:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
=
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>[log in to unmask]</c=
olor></underline>
writes:
I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks
ain't one of those things.=A0 I used to have a mild concern about the
black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started
working from home.=A0 Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the =
top.
I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find
matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into the
cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
But finding my spouse is much more interesting.=A0 Hell, I still shave
dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
John,
I guess we just have different priorities.=A0 I haven't shaved in 30
years, but hate the notion of mismatched socks.=A0 Then again, it
appears that we are in complete agreement on the importance of clean
socks on a daily basis.
Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
Ralph</smaller></fontfamily>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:33:01 EST
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From: Candice Brashears <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 1891 Handwritten New York City Diary
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In a message dated 2/22/03 10:05:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> This was listed on a genealogy list I sub to. It might be interesting to
> you preservation types in NYC.
I'm not from NY, but this diary is Way Cool!. I'm currently doing research
on a family that came from Brooklyn (1872-1899)..Interesting to know about
the water famine..etc.
Speaking of Brooklyn: anyone know about Sterling (Street?) near front
entrance (GAR Plaza) at Prospect Park? I'd like to know what kind of
neighborhood (guess its was very white middleclass) and buildings (I think
multistoried -perhaps close together) as it was around 1880-1889? The family
I'm researching moved there from Brooklyn Heights around that time to give
their 3 kids more outdoor space...
I checked on-line historical maps, but haven't found one with enough detail
and by modern aerials, seems it has changed a lot from turn of century.
Candy Brashears
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<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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list I sub to. It might be interesting to<BR>
you preservation types in NYC.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
I'm not from NY, but this diary is Way Cool!. I'm currently doing rese=
arch on a family that came from Brooklyn (1872-1899)..Interesting to know ab=
out the water famine..etc. <BR>
Speaking of Brooklyn: anyone know about Sterling (Street?) near front=20=
entrance (GAR Plaza) at Prospect Park? I'd like to know what kind of neighbo=
rhood (guess its was very white middleclass) and buildings (I think multisto=
ried -perhaps close together) as it was around 1880-1889? The family I=
'm researching moved there from Brooklyn Heights around that time to give th=
eir 3 kids more outdoor space...<BR>
<BR>
I checked on-line historical maps, but haven't found one with enough detail=20=
and by modern aerials, seems it has changed a lot from turn of century.<BR>
<BR>
Candy Brashears<BR>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:35:00 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Jim Hicks <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Socks and Sandals
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Tried that but socks got too wet and mushie.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Callan=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: Socks and Sandals
Minnesotans tend to wear both socks and sandles. Sounds odd at first, =
but one adapts.=20
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
Naw, all us commie, hippy, faggots wear sandles.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Walter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: BP On?
In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks
ain't one of those things. I used to have a mild concern about the
black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started
working from home. Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the =
top.
I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find
matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into =
the
cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
But finding my spouse is much more interesting. Hell, I still shave
dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
John,
I guess we just have different priorities. I haven't shaved in 30 =
years, but hate the notion of mismatched socks. Then again, it appears =
that we are in complete agreement on the importance of clean socks on a =
daily basis.
Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tried that but socks got too wet and=20
mushie.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jh</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A [log in to unmask] =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">John=20
Callan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
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[log in to unmask]</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 22, =
2003 10:27=20
AM</DIV>
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Sandals</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Minnesotans tend to wear both socks and sandles. Sounds =
odd at=20
first, but one adapts. <BR><BR>-jc<BR>On Saturday, February 22, 2003, =
at 08:02=20
AM, Jim Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Naw, all us commie, =
hippy,=20
faggots wear =
sandles.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>jh<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>-----=20
Original Message -----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
<U><?color><?param 1999,1999,FFFF>Ralph =
Walter<?/color></U><BR><B>To:</B>=20
<U><?color><?param 1999,1999,FFFF><A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
[log in to unmask]</A><?/color></U><BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:11 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: BP =
On?<BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>In a message dated =
2/20/2003=20
9:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
<U><?color><?param =
1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color></U>=20
writes:<BR><BR>I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about =
stuff...but=20
socks<BR>ain't one of those things. I used to have a mild =
concern=20
about the<BR>black socks matching, but that problem was simplified =
when I=20
started<BR>working from home. Most days I just grab a clean =
pair of=20
from the top.<BR>I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the =
effort=20
to find<BR>matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have =
to go=20
"into the<BR>cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to =
impress.<BR><BR>But=20
finding my spouse is much more interesting. Hell, I still=20
shave<BR>dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and=20
catz!<BR><BR><BR><BR>John,<BR><BR>I guess we just have different=20
priorities. I haven't shaved in 30 years, but hate the notion =
of=20
mismatched socks. Then again, it appears that we are in =
complete=20
agreement on the importance of clean socks on a daily =
basis.<BR><BR>Any of=20
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:52:43 EST
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:26:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Minnesotans tend to wear both socks and sandles. Sounds odd at first,
> but one adapts.
>
Yeah I see them in Savannah all the time. Look Geowge Suvannuh is a lovely
city. The weathuh is so lovely. I think we should move heuh. I hope this
makes some sense. I do a better first person impression.
Steve
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Subject: Re: 1891 Handwritten New York City Diary
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> I'd like to know what kind of neighborhood (guess its was very white
> middleclass) and buildings (I think multistoried -perhaps close together)
> as it was around 1880-1889?
Candace (what the hell is MockChap - and did you have to take "5" because 1-4
were already spoken for??):
--race and class: census returns, usually searchable by name only but see
below
--occupants: Ancestry has a digitized 1888 Brooklyn directory; you can
search for names, yes, but you can also keyword search for "Sterling". Thank
Allah that they didn't live on Smith Street
--you can determine occupancy by cross searching the Ancestry directory by
searching for specific addresses, and determining the number of names
returned
--with specific names, you can then search the digitized censuses to locate
those households (note: no census for1890, only 1880 and 1900)
--if you are too damn cheap to buy an 1880's Brooklyn atlas (showing sizes,
heights and lot coverage of buildings) on the web ($500 or so), many
research libraries have a microfiche set of American city landmaps (not just
maps, but landmaps aka atlases aka landbooks aka insurance maps) (see
www.nysoclib.org "Researching ..." for an illustration)
I bet you're too lazy to do all this, 'cause why else would you be a BP
subscriber?
Basic ancestry is $60/year. Or public library. Or hire us - $20 million
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eighborhood (guess its was very white middleclass) and buildings (I think mu=
ltistoried -perhaps close together) as it was around 1880-1889? </FONT=
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Candace (what the hell is MockChap - and did you have to take "5" because 1-=
4 were already spoken for??):<BR>
<BR>
--race and class: census returns, usually searchable by name only but=20=
see below<BR>
--occupants: Ancestry has a digitized 1888 Brooklyn directory; you can=
search for names, yes, but you can also keyword search for "Sterling". =
; Thank Allah that they didn't live on Smith Street<BR>
--you can determine occupancy by cross searching the Ancestry directory by s=
earching for specific addresses, and determining the number of names returne=
d<BR>
--with specific names, you can then search the digitized censuses to locate=20=
those households (note: no census for1890, only 1880 and 1900)<BR>
--if you are too damn cheap to buy an 1880's Brooklyn atlas (showing sizes,=20=
heights and lot coverage of buildings) on the web ($500 or so), many r=
esearch libraries have a microfiche set of American city landmaps (not just=20=
maps, but landmaps aka atlases aka landbooks aka insurance maps) (see=20=
www.nysoclib.org "Researching ..." for an illustration)<BR>
<BR>
I bet you're too lazy to do all this, 'cause why else would you be a B=
P subscriber?<BR>
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter...and we're gonna inundate you
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 9:15:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I was trying to come up with something to try and get as much water away
> from the building as possible. A wise move.They currently have only one
> section of gutter on the back side to keep roof run off from hitting their
> HVAC units. Basically the entire lower section (2' to 4') has been or needs
> to be repointed. I associated this with roof water run off. Not
> inconceivable, but given the rest of the lousy conditions you described, I
> would think lackagutters is (maybe) a relatively small component of the
> problem, lackagutters isn't necessarily like lackanookie. I took the
> gutters off my house about 10 years ago and it doesn't seem to have
> mattered, except that I don't get ice dams. As long as you have decent eave
> projections, I would THINK the absence of gutters shouldn't be a big deal.
> Without eaves, I would think you'd have water damage strating at the tops
> of the walls, but the guys (excuse me, gender-neutral persons) in the olden
> days knew eaves were necessary and didn't consider them expendable
> frou-frou. It is possible that the plaster deterioration maybe from window
> sill leaks. Very likely; wooden and/or masonry sills, deteriorated sash,
> caulking are all possible components here.They are currently looking for
> folks to repair some of the window woodwork and this scares the hell out of
> me considering the idiot craftsmen in this city. The source(s) of the
> penetration must be properly diagnosed first; the problem is that there
> seem to be so many candidates for the sources, and ALL may well contribute.
> Heck I can't even afford them the distinction of craftsmen. I don't know
> what to call them.I bet you have an idea or two. The walls are 21" or 23"
> thick. It all depends on who you ask. And where you measure, no doubt.I did
> not see any evidence of moisture in the plaster yesterday except for one
> small area. Where was this area? Below a window, between windows, below a
> belt course, behind a leader for the limited gutters there are, or what? Ya
> gotta tell us this stuff. We are expecting some severe weather today so
> maybe tomorrow I will take a look to see if I can find some evidence of
> what is going on.Smart move; might as well take advantage of fecal weather
> conditions. The problem is, weather is uncontrolled, and you need to be
> able to direct water at specific areas (like window sills) and keep it away
> from others to determine whether each component is the source of the leak,
> and there may be different components which cause leaks in different--or
> the same--areas. It's also very possible that you've got multiple sources
> of penetration which cause leakage into one area, and that if "you" fix one
> element, there may be another 5 leaking which you don't know about and they
> will think you failed. This kind of stuff requires long term
> investigation, and is very likely to require multiple and sequential
> repairs to eventually get all the sources. You need to explain this to the
> Church, who won't like it, but T.S., Elliott. I think the building at one
> time was lime washed and I think was painted later. This may well have been
> a treatment to stop water penetration, but on the other hand, given the
> thickness of the walls, I bet it was more cosmetic than anything else. The
> congregation had someone remove the paint(?) and in doing so used steam
> pressure washer which in turn destroyed Do you know for a fact that the
> brick was damaged, or are you assuming it was? When was this crime
> committed? the fire skin on the soft brick. This is certainly not good, but
> if your water-damaged plaster is limited and isolated, the destruction of
> the brick surface MAY not have had much effect, given the multiple-wythe
> construction. THAT (the multiple wythes) is probably what is saving them
> from real disaster. How long ago was the brick surface damaged; was it
> equally damaged everywhere; how old are the water penetration problems;
> does there seem to be any time relation between water penetration and work
> done on the building? Another question is whether the interior is
> plastered on furring, or is the plaster applied directly to the brick? If
> there's furring, you should open something (at the already-damaged area,
> and at a good area) and see whether there's water on the inside face of the
> brick wall running behind the plaster. Given the limited plaster damage
> you describe, my bet is that the plaster is furred--or that there is in
> fact little water penetration through the wall, since plaster over wet
> brick should go to hell quickly and fairly uniformly everywhere, unless
> there are variations in exterior surface conditions.There should be a death
> penalty given when morons like this are allowed to destroy a structure like
> this. I think the punishment should be comparable to the crime. The Mikado
> is in very close agreement with you, as is your Humor Czar. Perhaps if you
> guys paid more attention to architectural crime, and less to miscegenation
> and cornholing, the South would be a better place. Kinda like New York. In
> this case it would skin removal with high pressure steam pressure washer.
> Naah, low pressure, low temperature would take longer and therefore be
> more fitting. Or maybe something involving fire ants.
There should be lots of Histo Presto Fags down there in
> Savannah who could do this investigative stuff, or do they stick to
> selecting fabric and wallpapers? What about your SHPO for referrals to a
> good artichoke?
> Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">I was trying to come up with something to try and get=20=
as much water away from the building as possible. <B><I>A wise move</I>.</B>=
They currently have only one section of gutter on the back side to keep roof=
run off from hitting their HVAC units. Basically the entire lower section (=
2' to 4') has been or needs to be repointed. I associated this with roof wat=
er run off. <B><I>Not inconceivable, but given the rest of the lousy conditi=
ons you described, I would think lackagutters is (maybe) a relatively small=20=
component of the problem</B></I>, <B><I>lackagutters isn't necessarily like=20=
lackanookie. I took the gutters off my house about 10 years ago and it doesn=
't seem to have mattered, except that I don't get ice dams. As long as you h=
ave decent eave projections, I would THINK the absence of gutters shouldn't=20=
be a big deal. Without eaves, I would think you'd have water damage st=
rating at the tops of the walls, but the guys (excuse me, gender-neutral per=
sons) in the olden days knew eaves were necessary and didn't consider them e=
xpendable frou-frou. </B></I>It is possible that the plaster deterioration m=
aybe from window sill leaks. <B><I>Very likely; wooden and/or masonry sills,=
deteriorated sash, caulking are all possible components here.</B></I>They a=
re currently looking for folks to repair some of the window woodwork and thi=
s scares the hell out of me considering the idiot craftsmen in this city. <B=
><I>The source(s) of the penetration must be properly diagnosed first; the p=
roblem is that there seem to be so many candidates for the sources, and ALL=20=
may well contribute. </B></I>Heck I can't even afford them the distinction o=
f craftsmen. I don't know what to call them.<B><I>I bet you have an idea or=20=
two.</B></I> The walls are 21" or 23" thick. It all depends on who you ask.=20=
<B><I>And where you measure, no doubt.</B></I>I did not see any evidence of=20=
moisture in the plaster yesterday except for one small area. <B><I>Where was=
this area? Below a window, between windows, below a belt course, behind a l=
eader for the limited gutters there are, or what? Ya gotta tell us this stuf=
f. </B></I>We are expecting some severe weather today so maybe tomorrow I wi=
ll take a look to see if I can find some evidence of what is going on.<B><I>=
Smart move; might as well take advantage of fecal weather conditions. =20=
The problem is, weather is uncontrolled, and you need to be able to direct w=
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different components which cause leaks in different--or the same--areas. It'=
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ause leakage into one area, and that if "you" fix one element, there may be=20=
another 5 leaking which you don't know about and they will think you failed.=
This kind of stuff requires long term investigation, and is very like=
ly to require multiple and sequential repairs to eventually get all the sour=
ces. You need to explain this to the Church, who won't like it, but T.S., El=
liott.</B></I> I think the building at one time was lime washed and I think=20=
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t was more cosmetic than anything else.</B></I> The congregation had someone=
remove the paint(?) and in doing so used steam pressure washer which in tur=
n destroyed <B><I>Do you know for a fact that the brick was damaged, or are=20=
you assuming it was? When was this crime committed? </B></I>the fire skin on=
the soft brick. <B><I>This is certainly not good, but if your water-damaged=
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ot have had much effect, given the multiple-wythe construction. THAT (=
the multiple wythes) is probably what is saving them from real disaster. How=
long ago was the brick surface damaged; was it equally damaged everywhere;=20=
how old are the water penetration problems; does there seem to be any time r=
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r. Given the limited plaster damage you describe, my bet is that the p=
laster is furred--or that there is in fact little water penetration through=20=
the wall, since plaster over wet brick should go to hell quickly and fairly=20=
uniformly everywhere, unless there are variations in exterior surface condit=
ions.</B></I>There should be a death penalty given when morons like this are=
allowed to destroy a structure like this. I think the punishment should be=20=
comparable to the crime. <B><I>The Mikado is in very close agreement with yo=
u, as is your Humor Czar. Perhaps if you guys paid more attention to archite=
ctural crime, and less to miscegenation and cornholing, the South would be a=
better place. Kinda like New York. </B></I>In this case it would skin remov=
al with high pressure steam pressure washer. <B><I>Naah, low pressure,=
low temperature would take longer and therefore be more fitting. Or m=
aybe something involving fire ants. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000=
000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"=
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lots of Histo Presto Fags down there in </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" styl=
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or do they stick to selecting fabric and wallpapers? What about your SHPO fo=
r referrals to a good artichoke?<BR>
Ralph</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
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Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 9:22:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> No I think Powell was born here; the black entertainer (collipso singer, I
> can't remember his nameThat would be Harry Belafonte, who Denzel Washington
> seems to hold in high esteem) that called him a house n......r in a receint
> interview is from there. Maybe it was Powell's father who was from Down
> There somewhere, but I somehow thought it was Powell himself.
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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; the black entertainer (collipso singer, I can't remember his name<B>That w=
ould be Harry Belafonte, who Denzel Washington seems to hold in high esteem<=
/B>) that called him a house n......r in a receint interview is from there.&=
nbsp; <B>Maybe it was Powell's father who was from Down There somewhere, but=
I somehow thought it was Powell himself.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 9:24:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I did'nt get that one, you'll have to share.
> jh
>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <A HREF="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A>
>> To: <A HREF="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: Iraq response &Constitution
>>
>>
>> In any case I think SM was completely sand bagged.
>>
>>
>> JH: So are you telling me it is not little SM in the child p*rn movies
>> I've been watching? I paid a hell of a lot of money to get them black
>> market and I'd hate to hear I got swindled. Oily little slicker ain't he?
>> ][<en
>
Jim,
Check out "South Park" the movie. It is funny as hell. Maybe even funnier
than The Pig Fart Movie, AKA "A Private Function."
I kid you not, and recommend both highly.
Ralph
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: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I did'nt get that one, you'll h=
ave to share.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">jh</FONT><FONT COLOR=
=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERI=
F" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">----- Original Message ----- <B=
R>
<B>From:</B> <A HREF=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A> <BR>
<B>To:</B> <A HREF=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULL=
[log in to unmask]</A> <BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 11:15 AM<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response &Constitution<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
In any case I think SM was completely sand bagged. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
JH: So are you telling me it is not little SM in the child p*rn movies I've=20=
been watching? I paid a hell of a lot of money to get them black market and=20=
I'd hate to hear I got swindled. Oily little slicker ain't he? ][<en</FON=
T><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMI=
LY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Jim, <BR>
<BR>
Check out "South Park" the movie. It is funny as hell. Maybe eve=
n funnier than The Pig Fart Movie, AKA "A Private Function."<BR>
<BR>
I kid you not, and recommend both highly.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Ralph: "possible that you've got multiple sources of penetration"
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In a message dated 2/22/03 10:58:23 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I would think lackagutters is (maybe) a relatively small component of the
> problem, lackagutters isn't necessarily like lackanookie.
So, Ralph, you know a good nookie installer?
Sign me, Don't Normally Approve of Sexually-Related One-liners, But Feeling
Frisky
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"=
Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/03 10:58:23 AM, RLWALTR@=
AOL.COM writes:<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE=
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0p=
x; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><B><I>I would think lackagutters is (maybe) a relative=
ly small component of the problem</B></I>, <B><I>lackagutters isn't necessar=
ily like lackanookie. </BLOCKQUOTE></B></I><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
So, Ralph, you know a good nookie installer?<BR>
<BR>
Sign me, Don't Normally Approve of Sexually-Related One-liners,=20=
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 1891 Handwritten New York City Diary
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:57:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Our Motto: Old Buildings, Dead Architects
As a wise man once said in another context, the only good architect is a dead
architect.
Present company accepted, except in my case.
Ralph
Ooh-- what's that pain?
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:57:27 AM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Our Motto: Old Buildings, Dead Architects </BLO=
CKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=20=
SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
As a wise man once said in another context, the only good architect is a dea=
d architect. <BR>
<BR>
Present company accepted, except in my case.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
Ooh-- what's that pain?</FONT></HTML>
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter...and we're gonna inundate you
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:58:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Hot damn that Ralph is a sharp tack. How much do I owe you? Stand by the mail
box.
Steve
> There should be lots of Histo Presto Fags down there in
> >> Savannah who could do this investigative stuff, or do they stick to
>> selecting fabric and wallpapers? What about your SHPO for referrals to a
>> good artichoke?
>>
>
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=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:58:23 AM Easte=
rn Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
Hot damn that Ralph is a sharp tack. How much do I owe you? Stand by the mai=
l box.<BR>
<BR>
Steve<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><B><I>There should be lots of H=
isto Presto Fags down there in </B></I><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><B><I>Savannah who could do thi=
s investigative stuff, or do they stick to selecting fabric and wallpapers?=20=
What about your SHPO for referrals to a good artichoke?<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></B></I><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:12:52 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Ralph: "possible that you've got multiple sources of
penetration"
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 11:07:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> So, Ralph, you know a good nookie installer?
>
> Sign me, Don't Normally Approve of Sexually-Related One-liners, But
> Feeling Frisky
Never occurred to me that nookie needed installation, but it makes sense that
it has to come from somewhere.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 11:07:03 AM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">So, Ralph, you know a good nookie installer?<BR>
<BR>
Sign me, Don't Normally Approve of Sexually-Related One-liners,=20=
But Feeling Frisky </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BAC=
KGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Never occurred to me that nookie needed installation, but it makes sense tha=
t it has to come from somewhere.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:14:46 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter...and we're gonna inundate you
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 11:11:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Hot damn that Ralph is a sharp tack. Sharp like a marble. How much do I owe
> you? Stand by the mail box. Good thing my porch has wide eaves, in this
> goddam rain.
Ralph (Ken [and his son] cleaned MY bricks)
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 11:11:23 AM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Hot damn that Ralph is a sharp tack. <B>Sharp like a m=
arble. </B>How much do I owe you? Stand by the mail box. <B>Good thing my po=
rch has wide eaves, in this goddam rain.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"=
#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
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nd his son] cleaned MY bricks)</B><BR>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:49:06 -0500
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From: "Donald B. White" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Calculating
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Message text written by Ralph
>As an architect, I use a special subtracting calculator when reviewing
contractors' Applications for Payment. This is as opposed to contractors=
,
who use a special multiplying calculator for preparing their bids and
Applications for Payment.
<
Oh, I see... one calculator for contracting and a different one for
expanding?
I use a digital calculator.... I count on my fingers. Twice the capacity =
if
I take my shoes off. =
Sign me, Arithmetically Challenged
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Subject: Re: Calculating
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 12:50:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I use a digital calculator.... I count on my fingers. Twice the capacity if
> I take my shoes off.
>
Don't forget the other digit.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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I count on my fingers. Twice the capacity if<BR>
I take my shoes off. <BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Don't forget the other digit.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:45:22 -0500
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From: "vgernet.net" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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Classified 1-H 4/10/72 with #252. Strange, I just ran across the original
card used as a book mark ( Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To Me). I
never realized what a great name it was; Selective Service System.
I'm still on the group W bench. I think getting that card was one of the few
things I remember between 1969 and 1980. Speaking of war, were the NYers a
little nervous when the column of smoke rising from Staten Island?
ctb
----- Original Message -----
From: "mitch wilds" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
> John Callan wrote:
>
> > ' Didn't hey pull the plug on the draft in '72?
>
> but they kept the lottery around for a couple of more years.
> sign me,
> 278 in '73
>
> --
>
> F. Mitchener Wilds, Senior Restoration Specialist
> Restoration Branch
> State Historic Preservation Office
> 919/733-6547
> http://www.hpo.dcr.state.nc.us
>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:02:43 -0500
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Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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If it's raining as hard up at Ruths as it is here it won't be a slow =
melt. All the rivers are frozen too, it could get interesting. ctb in =
the Berkshires
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ken Follett=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
From the looks of it on the telly I think we already attacked =
Antarctica
and they dumped snow on NYC &Washington, DC. Ruth up north where a
two-footer is a snow squall.
Ruth: Double whammy attack, now it is warming up too fast and it will =
all melt real quick and flood us out. Leastways my impression of Vermont =
is you get a relatively slow melt. Here, and south of there, it snows =
24" and a week later it is all gone and the crocuses are blooming just =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If it's raining as hard up at Ruths as it is here it =
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Saw it with my daughter when it came out. Yea it was very funny. Didn't =
the song "Uncle f..ker" get an Oscar?
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I did'nt get that one, you'll have to share.
jh
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In any case I think SM was completely sand bagged.=20
JH: So are you telling me it is not little SM in the child p*rn =
movies I've been watching? I paid a hell of a lot of money to get them =
black market and I'd hate to hear I got swindled. Oily little slicker =
ain't he? ][<en=20
Jim,=20
Check out "South Park" the movie. It is funny as hell. Maybe even =
funnier than The Pig Fart Movie, AKA "A Private Function."
I kid you not, and recommend both highly.
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TYPE=3D"CITE">I did'nt get that one, you'll have to share.</FONT><FONT =
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Iraq response &Constitution<BR><BR><BR>In any case I think SM =
was=20
completely sand bagged. <BR><BR><BR>JH: So are you telling me it =
is not=20
little SM in the child p*rn movies I've been watching? I paid a =
hell of a=20
lot of money to get them black market and I'd hate to hear I got =
swindled.=20
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movie. It is=20
funny as hell. Maybe even funnier than The Pig Fart Movie, AKA =
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Eve and Festus left the Hevens Gate folks shortly before they offed
themselves. Festus is in Ithaca now, staying at the Hillside Inn last I
heard, don't know where Eve is. Although I consider Festus my friend, I
would have to question "Reaction from people who knew Ms. Ujhelyi and
Fiester in Ithaca was one of surprise at the news. Friends described them as
"intelligent and rational" people whom they would not expect to be "taken
in" easily." This was not my experiance with Mike. After he burned down his
parents house making french fries we shared a house during my saltmine
period. We also shared a cell one night, my sister bailed me out, but
wouldn't go for Festus. I remember the incident as something about a log, a
boa constrictor and my view of the consitution.
ctb raining harder going down to look at the river
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> The adventures of my friends Eve & Festus. This is the last news that I
have of them. Early Heaven’s Gate.
>
> The Ithaca Journal, October 30, 1975, By Gail Dickinson
>
> Two former Ithacans have joined a group of people from Oregon who say they
are preparing to be taken to another level beyond humans by a spaceship.
>
> The whereabouts of the two is not known, but recent letters to their
families indicate they are committed to the group and its philosophy.
> On Sept. 18, Michael Fiester, 24, and Eve Ujhelyi, 21. who left Ithaca in
late 1973 for Oregon, joined the followers of a couple who claim to be "sent
from another level above that of human."
> Families of the two have received letters from both which tell of their
belief in the couple and in their claims that persons who follow them. will
be "reborn."
>
> The disappearance of about 20 Oregon residents also with an undetermined
number of Californians has been in the national news in recent weeks. There
have been reports of people giving away children and property before leaving
to join the group.
> Dan Staggs, 43, a person with whom the two Ithacans were living in
Springfield, Ore., also has joined the group. Staggs gave away his house
before leaving, according to Chris Carlson, who now lives in the home.
>
> Fiester's mother, Mrs. John Fiester of Trumansburg Road, Ithaca, said she
has written to President Ford and will write Rep. Matthew McHugh (D Ithaca)
requesting help in locating her son.
>
> She, said she and. her husband were in Florida when her son left Oregon
with the group. When they returned here last week, there were two letters
from their son, one written around Sept. 18 before he left and mailed later
by a friend, and another, postmarked Enid, Okla., and dated Oct. 12. Both
letters were shown to The Journal by Mrs. Fiester.
>
> In the first letter, Michael, known by friends to Ithaca as "Festus," said
he was going on a "quest for the truth and my real self." He said he felt
"directed to do it" and that it was his own will.
>
> In the second letter, he explained that "in essence we are all endeavoring
to be re united with our father creator." He said he was undergoing "the
preparations necessary for any human to undergo in order to attain that next
level."
> In both of the letter. Fiester stressed he is doing this of his own free
will and denied that "hypnosis, death, murder. fraud, etc.,". is involved.'
>
> Eve Ujhelyi's father, who lives in Oregon, said in a telephone interview
he has not heard from his daughter. Her sister, Gabriel, who lives in
Atlanta, told The Journal she has received two communications. One, mailed
from Oregon, was written before the pair left with the group, and the
second, dated Oct. 7, was mailed from Yorkville, Ill.
>
> In both letters, Ms. Ujhelyi asked her sister not to worry. In one, she
said that she had "gone to see the Wizard and catch a spaceship."
> It is not known if Ms. Ujhelyi and Fiester are still together. They told
Ms. Carlson before they left that they expected to be separated, and in one
of the letters to her sister, Ms. Ujhelyi said that "Festus is 'gone,' too."
>
> Staggs is apparently no longer with the group, Ms. Carlson said. A recent
letter, without postmark or date, has been received from him saying that he
had "disassociated" himself from any group.
>
> Ms. Carlson said that the three were very optimistic before they left. She
stressed that they were "very capable people ... who knew what they were
doing." She said she now regrets not having gone to the Oregon meetings to
join the group.
> "They have been pretty much exposed to the world," she said. "They knew
what was real and what wasn't." She said she is not worried about the trio
because "these people know when to bail out "
>
> She said she would like to give the pair, "a lot of positive
encouragement."
>
> Fiester, Ms. Ujhelyi and Staggs attended three meetings over a two week
period before they left on Sept. 18, Ms. Carlson said. She felt that in
leaving, and limiting communication, the three were "demanding privacy to do
what they want to do with their lives."
>
> Before they left, Ms. Carlson said, they were upset at the criticism by
their friends, who thought the whole thing was a hoax. The three people were
"totally committed," she said, "and were hoping that their friends would
understand."
>
> Reaction from people who knew Ms. Ujhelyi and Fiester in Ithaca was one of
surprise at the news. Friends described them as "intelligent and rational"
people whom they would not expect to be "taken in" easily.
>
> Ms. Ujhelyi's family was not religious, according to her sister Gabriel.
Fiester, according to his mother, was raised to be religious, although he
had not practiced any religion for several years. Mrs. Fiester said her son
may be "trying to find something." She also said that she believed her son
might be "brainwashed."
>
> Besides the letters to Ford and McHugh, Mr. Fiester has gone to see
District Attorney Joseph Joch, but Joch was unavailable this morning for
comment.
>
> Literature from the group, called by some the "Human Individual
Metamorphosis" society, claims the group is not a religious, spiritual or
philosophical organization. It claims it is "reality."
>
> Fiester said in one letter that news accounts of the group are "faulty."
>
> The two leaders of the group will be assassinated soon, the literature
says, and will return after three days, when their followers will leave in a
"space ship."
>
> The two leaders, identified by police as Marshall Herff Applewhite, 43,
and Bonnie Lee Trousdale Nettles, 48, both have criminal records. Applewhite
spent four months in jail in St. Louis for car theft, and Miss Nettles was
charged in Houston on credit card abuse. No record of the disposition of her
case exists.
>
> The whereabouts of the almost 90 disciples supposed to be with the couple
is not known.
>
> Two lecturers are scheduled to hold a meeting tonight in Oakland , Calif.,
according to the Portland Oregonian newspaper. The meeting place, the
Upstairs Art Association, said it knew nothing about the meeting, according
to the Oregonian. The association said a Halloween benefit is planned there
tonight.
>
> http://www.salon.com/march97/news/news970331.html
> http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/events/03317eva.htm
> XXX
>
> ][<en
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My loving people, we have been persuaded by some, that are careful of our
safety, to take heed how we commit ourselves to armed multitudes, for fear of
treachery; but I assure you, I do not desire to live to distrust my faithful
and loving people. Let tyrants fear; I have always so behaved myself that,
under God, I have placed my chiefest strength and safeguard in the loyal
hearts and good will of my subjects. And therefore I am come amongst you at
this time, not as for my recreation or sport, but being resolved, in the
midst and heat of the battle, to live or die amongst you all; to lay down,
for my God, and for my kingdom, and for my people, my honor and my blood,
even the dust. I know I have but the body of a weak and feeble woman; but I
have the heart of a king, and of a king of England, too; and think foul scorn
that Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dare to invade the
borders of my realms: to which, rather than any dishonor should grow by me, I
myself will take up arms; I myself will be your general, judge, and rewarder
of every one of your virtues in the field. I know already, by your
forwardness, that you have deserved rewards and crowns; and we do assure you,
on the word of a prince, they shall be duly paid you. In the mean my
lieutenant general shall be in my stead, than whom never prince commanded a
more noble and worthy subject; not doubting by your obedience to my general,
by your concord in the camp, and by your valor in the field, we shall shortly
have a famous victory over the enemies of my God, of my kingdom, and of my
people.
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judge, and rewarder of every one of your virtues in the field. I know alrea=
dy, by your forwardness, that you have deserved rewards and crowns; and we d=
o assure you, on the word of a prince, they shall be duly paid you. In the m=
ean my lieutenant general shall be in my stead, than whom never prince comma=
nded a more noble and worthy subject; not doubting by your obedience to my g=
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter - and another thing
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:21:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> What is the roof material; what condition are the soffits and facia in;
> what is the grading like around the building; where will you place the
> water instead of against the foundation; is the plaster damage below
> grade; is there adequate ventilation; does the pointing or repointing
> extend below grade?
>
What's the likelyhood that they are going to take the time or expend
resources to have the gutters and downspouts periodically, and I don't mean
every ten years, cleaned out - thereby preventing overflow onto the facade
walls and other related troubles?
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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condition are the soffits and facia in;<BR>
what is the grading like around the building; where will you place the<BR>
water instead of against the foundation; is the plaster damage below<BR>
grade; is there adequate ventilation; does the pointing or repointing<BR>
extend below grade?<BR>
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What's the likelyhood that they are going to take the time or expend resourc=
es to have the gutters and downspouts periodically, and I don't mean every t=
en years, cleaned out - thereby preventing overflow onto the facade walls an=
d other related troubles?<BR>
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Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 1:30:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Speaking of war, were the NYers a
> little nervous when the column of smoke rising from Staten Island?
>
Nah, we're gettin' used to this shit.
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little nervous when the column of smoke rising from Staten Island?<BR>
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Nah, we're gettin' used to this shit.<BR>
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 6:46:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> What's the likelyhood that they are going to take the time or expend resources to have the gutters and downspouts periodically, and I don't mean every ten years, cleaned out - thereby preventing overflow onto the facade walls and other
> related troubles?
Good point, Mr. T. Fuhgeddabout gutters.
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 6:52:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Speaking of war, were the NYers a
> little nervous when the column of smoke rising from Staten
> Island?>
>
> Nah, we're gettin' used to this shit.
As it happened, I was at the Dr's office (in Joisey) and think I was looking in the right direction, and didn't see anything. On the other hand, I was farther away this time and it was nowhere near as clear as Sept 11.
Ralph
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> Speaking of war, were the NYers a little nervous when the column of smoke rising from Staten Island?
CTB: My reaction to SI, RI, Chicago and S. Korea is, "We don't need terrorists. We are going to do ourselves in without them." ][<en
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> The shuttle is that little white dot on the left.
JH: Looks like Hale Bop to me! ][<en
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> writes like this since...since...Truman?
Sharpshooter: You mean like this?
"I bet there'll be more bohunks and "Rooshans" up there than white men. I think it is a disgrace to the country for those fellows to be in it. If they had only stopped immigration about twenty or thirty years ago, the good Americans could all have had plenty of land and we'd have been an agricultural country forever. You know as long as a country is one of that kind, people are more independent and make better citizens. When it is made up of factories and large cities it soon becomes depressed and makes classes among people. Every farmer thinks he's as good as the President or perhaps a little bit better. When a man works for a boss, he is soon impressed with how small he is and how great the boss is until he actually believes it is so and that money makes the world go round. It does I guess in very large cities." HST
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Subject: Re: UNH Library -- Truman?
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> Sharpshooter: You mean like this?
>
PLEASE tell us he wrote this about the turn of the century, or even as late
as he went off to WWI and complained about all the Kikes in New York, and not
any time after April 12, 1945.
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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s?<BR>
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PLEASE tell us he wrote this about the turn of the century, or even as late=20=
as he went off to WWI and complained about all the Kikes in New York, and no=
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter - and another thing
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 6:47:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> What's the likelyhood that they are going to take the time or expend
> resources to have the gutters and downspouts periodically, and I don't mean
> every ten years, cleaned out - thereby preventing overflow onto the facade
> walls and other related troubles?
>
Well, there was a red oak in the rear that was probably ten or twelve feet
from the building. They recently cut it down so there are not any trees close
to the building. You do have a good point though. I was talking to several
members of the church and I believe they cleaned out the gutter in the rear
about three years ago.
Steve
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=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 6:47:04 PM Easter=
n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">What's the likelyho=
od that they are going to take the time or expend resources to have the gutt=
ers and downspouts periodically, and I don't mean every ten years, cleaned o=
ut - thereby preventing overflow onto the facade walls and other related tro=
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Well, there was a red oak in the rear that was probably ten or twelve feet f=
rom the building. They recently cut it down so there are not any trees close=
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:25:53 EST
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter - and another thing
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:09:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Well, there was a red oak in the rear that was probably ten or twelve feet
> from the building. They recently cut it down so there are not any trees
> close to the building. You do have a good point though. I was talking to
> several members of the church and I believe they cleaned out the gutter in
> the rear about three years ago.
>
Fortunately, leaves fall absolutely plumb and have never been known to blow
around.
Cleaning gutters every three years ought to be quite sufficient. Tell them
they don't need to bathe any more often than that, either. But be sure to
stay out of town for awhile.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Well, there was a red oak in the rear that was probabl=
y ten or twelve feet from the building. They recently cut it down so there a=
re not any trees close to the building. You do have a good point though. I w=
as talking to several members of the church and I believe they cleaned out t=
he gutter in the rear about three years ago.<BR>
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Fortunately, leaves fall absolutely plumb and have never been known to blow=20=
around.<BR>
Cleaning gutters every three years ought to be quite sufficient. Tell=20=
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sure to stay out of town for awhile.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:29:41 EST
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:26:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Fortunately, leaves fall absolutely plumb and have never been known to blow
> around.
>
Nothing like a smawt ass.
Steve
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=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:26:19 PM Easte=
rn Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">Fortunately, leaves fall absolutely plumb and have never be=
en known to blow around.<BR>
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Nothing like a smawt ass.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:36:39 EST
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:30:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Nothing like a smawt ass.
Nor a fart smeller, either.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 02:41:21 -0500
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> If it's raining as hard up at Ruths as it is here it won't be a slow melt. All the rivers are frozen too, it could get interesting. ctb in the Berkshires
The Atlantic, close by, is often charged. Between the gusts of light to heavy rain we have had thunder and lightening to the south since early evening. ][<en
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 03:17:20 -0500
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> Eve and Festus left the Hevens Gate folks shortly before they offed themselves.
CTB: I appreciate the news... I've carried ouround the Ithaca Journal article since '75 and when I come across it I often wonder about the story behind the story. Eve I think we met through LRY at the Universalist Church -- that was something of a drug cult in itself. She always seemed to me high spirited and larger than life. Festus the one thing I remember in particular is his freaking one night out on a back road about UFO's & the buzzing of a power pole transformer. I think it was one of those nights the '55 Ford PU was acting up. Regardless, I would not characterize anyone, including myself, that I knew during that period as being particularly sensible. Festus was someone that you could be with for hours and feel comfortable as he was like a shadow along for the adventure. As to the Journal article, I'm very aware at how the newspapers distort information. ][<en
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 21:05:42 -0800
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Snowed here most of the day but it was warm enough that it didn't stick til
about 2 this afternoon. By about 4:30 it was sleet then rain, mostly just
drizzle. The state trucks have been by with plows and salt and traffic
seems to be moving right along.
Sometimes ours goes slowly and sometimes really fast. We have our share of
floods too, just usually later in the spring. If we have a lot of snow
like this year and then a lot of rain and warm weather we get floods.
Oh well, sugaring season is right around the corner, just about Town
Meeting Day. You guys in the city wouldn't know about Town Meeting Day but
it is a very important day up here when we get to do the town's business
for the coming year. Ruth
At 2:02 PM -0500 2/22/03, vgernet.net wrote:
If it's raining as hard up at Ruths as it is here it won't be a slow melt.
All the rivers are frozen too, it could get interesting. ctb in the
Berkshires
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From the looks of it on the telly I think we already attacked Antarctica
and they dumped snow on NYC &Washington, DC. Ruth up north where a
two-footer is a snow squall.
Ruth: Double whammy attack, now it is warming up too fast and it will all
melt real quick and flood us out. Leastways my impression of Vermont is you
get a relatively slow melt. Here, and south of there, it snows 24" and a
week later it is all gone and the crocuses are blooming just in time for
another snow fall and freeze. ][<en
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 21:07:47 -0800
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They sound quite the pair. Ruth
At 3:11 PM -0500 2/22/03, vgernet.net wrote:
>Eve and Festus left the Hevens Gate folks shortly before they offed
>themselves. Festus is in Ithaca now, staying at the Hillside Inn last I
>heard, don't know where Eve is. Although I consider Festus my friend, I
>would have to question "Reaction from people who knew Ms. Ujhelyi and
>Fiester in Ithaca was one of surprise at the news. Friends described them as
>"intelligent and rational" people whom they would not expect to be "taken
>in" easily." This was not my experiance with Mike. After he burned down his
>parents house making french fries we shared a house during my saltmine
>period. We also shared a cell one night, my sister bailed me out, but
>wouldn't go for Festus. I remember the incident as something about a log, a
>boa constrictor and my view of the consitution.
>ctb raining harder going down to look at the river
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:41:54 EST
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 6:51:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> You guys in the city wouldn't know about Town Meeting Day but
> it is a very important day up here when we get to do the town's business
> for the coming year.
Ruth,
We've heard about Town Meetings (as the purest form of democracy, or some
such), but I'm curious about how it is possible to conduct business in
advance. Are there occasional, or regular scheduled follow-up meetings, or
what?
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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now about Town Meeting Day but<BR>
it is a very important day up here when we get to do the town's business<BR>
for the coming year.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Ruth,<BR>
<BR>
We've heard about Town Meetings (as the purest form of democracy, or some su=
ch), but I'm curious about how it is possible to conduct business in advance=
. Are there occasional, or regular scheduled follow-up meetings, or what?<BR=
>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:04:19 -0500
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Maybe you can get on the return flight.
jh
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>
> JH: Looks like Hale Bop to me! ][<en
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:23:49 EST
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From: Mike Devonshire <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 7:52:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> As it happened, I was at the Dr's office (in Joisey) and think I was looking
> in the right direction, and didn't see anything. On the other hand, I was
> farther away this time and it was nowhere near as clear as Sept 11.
>
>
Ralph-
I heard the explosion and saw the smoke, but I thought Staten Island was just
starting up its engine and moving down to the Outer Banks.
VI
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">As it happened, I was at the Dr=
's office (in Joisey) and think I was looking in the right direction, and di=
dn't see anything. On the other hand, I was farther away this time and=
it was nowhere near as clear as Sept 11.<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Ralph-<BR>
<BR>
I heard the explosion and saw the smoke, but I thought Staten Island was jus=
t starting up its engine and moving down to the Outer Banks.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:30:44 EST
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From: Mike Devonshire <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter - and another thing
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Steve-
Did they save the wood for me? After three years they should have had some
nice oak saplings growing in that gutter.
Twyb.
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<BR>
Did they save the wood for me? After three years they should have had=20=
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:58:23 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Candice Brashears <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: NY Diary - Brooklyn
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In a message dated 2/22/03 10:57:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Candace (what the hell is MockChap - and did you have to take "5" because
> 1-4 were already spoken for??):
Mockchap5 was my first email account - ever - and everyone in the house used
it, so we tried to cover all bases.
MOCKCHAP5: Mock = short for Mockingbird Handcrafts (I paint, but rarely
anymore); Chap = short for Chapman (maiden name / Very recognizable to
family); 5 = number of immediate family members.
Mockchap5 is my "list serve account" now - I save my other accounts for VIPs
and check daily. BP and other lists get read from the "when I have time I'll
get around to it" schedule.
> --race and class: census returns, usually searchable by name only but see
> below
> --occupants: Ancestry has a digitized 1888 Brooklyn directory; you can
> search for names, yes, but you can also keyword search for "Sterling".
> Thank Allah that they didn't live on Smith Street
> --you can determine occupancy by cross searching the Ancestry directory by
> searching for specific addresses, and determining the number of names
> returned
> --with specific names, you can then search the digitized censuses to locate
> those households (note: no census for1890, only 1880 and 1900)
> --if you are too damn cheap to buy an 1880's Brooklyn atlas (showing sizes,
> heights and lot coverage of buildings) on the web ($500 or so), many
> research libraries have a microfiche set of American city landmaps (not
> just maps, but landmaps aka atlases aka landbooks aka insurance maps) (see
> www.nysoclib.org "Researching ..." for an illustration)
>
> I bet you're too lazy to do all this, 'cause why else would you be a BP
> subscriber?
>
> Basic ancestry is $60/year. Or public library. Or hire us - $20 million
> minimum, payable to our account in Nigeria
Thank you for the On-Line resource. I'm often too lazy and most definitely
too cheap to scoot off to NY, for this particular project anyway, to look up
the Brooklyn directories. It might cost me as much as $25 ! to get there from
here in CT. More if I drive and fill my car with gasoline instead of wheat
paste. The Brooklyn connection , while critical, does not have to be as
detailed as I would like re: building configuration; would be nice though to
"know". CT libraries are not always abound with maps from other cities - of
course, if I weren't so lazy, I might get around to checking whose got
detailed city maps from them thar' foreign places outside of CT.
Just so you know, I've have checked my research families' houses in CT and
have found them all in the directories and maps here - like the ones you
describe.
Now that you've provided an on-line source I'll check it out from my comfy
abode.
Thank you for assistance. You will not be hired at this time, however, for
your trouble I will send a check for $1 million to your Nigerian account.
> Our Motto: Old Buildings, Dead Architects
Live Buildings, Dead custodians
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/03 10:57:27 AM Eastern Standar=
d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCIT=
E style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0=
px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Candace (what the hell is MockChap - and did you have=
to take "5" because 1-4 were already spoken for??):</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#=
000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=
=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Mockchap5 was my first email account - ever - and everyone in the house used=
it, so we tried to cover all bases.<BR>
MOCKCHAP5: Mock =3D short for Mockingbird Handcrafts (I paint, but ra=
rely anymore); Chap =3D short for Chapman (maiden name / Very recognizable t=
o family); 5 =3D number of immediate family members.<BR>
Mockchap5 is my "list serve account" now - I save my other accounts for VIPs=
and check daily. BP and other lists get read from the "when I have ti=
me I'll get around to it" schedule.<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">--race and class: census=20=
returns, usually searchable by name only but see below<BR>
--occupants: Ancestry has a digitized 1888 Brooklyn directory; you can=
search for names, yes, but you can also keyword search for "Sterling". =
; Thank Allah that they didn't live on Smith Street<BR>
--you can determine occupancy by cross searching the Ancestry directory by s=
earching for specific addresses, and determining the number of names returne=
d<BR>
--with specific names, you can then search the digitized censuses to locate=20=
those households (note: no census for1890, only 1880 and 1900)<BR>
--if you are too damn cheap to buy an 1880's Brooklyn atlas (showing sizes,=20=
heights and lot coverage of buildings) on the web ($500 or so), many r=
esearch libraries have a microfiche set of American city landmaps (not just=20=
maps, but landmaps aka atlases aka landbooks aka insurance maps) (see=20=
www.nysoclib.org "Researching ..." for an illustration)<BR>
<BR>
I bet you're too lazy to do all this, 'cause why else would you be a B=
P subscriber?<BR>
<BR>
Basic ancestry is $60/year. Or public library. Or hire us - $20=20=
million minimum, payable to our account in Nigeria</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#00=
0000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"=
Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Thank you for the On-L=
ine resource. I'm often too lazy and most definitely too cheap to scoo=
t off to NY, for this particular project anyway, to look up the Brooklyn dir=
ectories. It might cost me as much as $25 ! to get there from here in CT. Mo=
re if I drive and fill my car with gasoline instead of wheat paste. The Broo=
klyn connection , while critical, does not have to be as detailed as I would=
like re: building configuration; would be nice though to "know". CT l=
ibraries are not always abound with maps from other cities - of course, if I=
weren't so lazy, I might get around to checking whose got detailed city map=
s from them thar' foreign places outside of CT.<BR>
Just so you know, I've have checked my research families' houses in CT and h=
ave found them all in the directories and maps here - like the ones you desc=
ribe. <BR>
<BR>
Now that you've provided an on-line source I'll check it out from my comfy a=
bode.<BR>
Thank you for assistance. You will not be hired at this time, however, for y=
our trouble I will send a check for $1 million to your Nigerian account. <BR=
>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Our Motto: Old Buildings,=
Dead Architects </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=20=
#ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"></BLO=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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Live Buildings, Dead custodians<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:22:00 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter - and another thing
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Twybil,
Oh, you need some oak saplings? Let me step out into my back yard. What would
you like? Southern pine, red oak, white oak, or palmetto? Although I don't
think the palmettos will do so well.
Sign me,
High of 64
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<BR>
Oh, you need some oak saplings? Let me step out into my back yard. What woul=
d you like? Southern pine, red oak, white oak, or palmetto? Although I don't=
think the palmettos will do so well. <BR>
<BR>
Sign me,<BR>
High of 64</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:27:14 EST
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: NY Diary - Brooklyn
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 9:59:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Candace,
We Pinheads are comforted by the fact that we sit so high amongst your
priorities. Thanks a lot.
Sign me,
When I get around to it
> Mockchap5 is my "list serve account" now - I save my other accounts for VIPs
> and check daily. BP and other lists get read from the "when I have time
> I'll get around to it" schedule.
>
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=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/23/2003 9:59:22 AM Easter=
n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
Candace,<BR>
<BR>
We Pinheads are comforted by the fact that we sit so high amongst your prior=
ities. Thanks a lot.<BR>
<BR>
Sign me,<BR>
When I get around to it<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Mockchap5 is my "list serve account" now - I save my=20=
other accounts for VIPs and check daily. BP and other lists get read f=
rom the "when I have time I'll get around to it" schedule.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:54:38 -0800
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From: Ruth Barton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
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Now will somebody please look these two up and find out what happened to
them. Then again maybe not, it would take all the romance out of it to
find Eve is a comfortable matron with four kids and two dogs and a member
of the school board to boot, is small town America. Ruth
At 3:17 AM -0500 2/23/03, Ken Follett wrote:
>> Eve and Festus left the Hevens Gate folks shortly before they offed
>>themselves.
>
>CTB: I appreciate the news... I've carried ouround the Ithaca Journal
>article since '75 and when I come across it I often wonder about the story
>behind the story. Eve I think we met through LRY at the Universalist
>Church -- that was something of a drug cult in itself. She always seemed
>to me high spirited and larger than life. Festus the one thing I remember
>in particular is his freaking one night out on a back road about UFO's &
>the buzzing of a power pole transformer. I think it was one of those
>nights the '55 Ford PU was acting up. Regardless, I would not characterize
>anyone, including myself, that I knew during that period as being
>particularly sensible. Festus was someone that you could be with for hours
>and feel comfortable as he was like a shadow along for the adventure. As
>to the Journal article, I'm very aware at how the newspapers distort
>information. ][<en
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:51:43 -0500
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: NY Diary - Brooklyn Mighty Oaks
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 10:27:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> We Pinheads are comforted by the fact that we sit so high
> amongst your priorities. Thanks a lot.
Steve (and Candace),
I was thinking the same thing about her backwards priorities, but maybe we should'nt expect too much from somebody who fills her car with wheat paste instead of gasoline.
As for wheat paste and oak saplings, I noted a few days ago that Mrs. Ralph has a gigantic plastic bottle full of a vitamin supplement called Quercitin + C, with a rather abstract-looking photo on it that looked to me like a piece of split oak stump, and another of what looked like quartered oak veneer. The label said it was all natural (of course) and citrus free. The "quer" part of the name of this stuff made me wonder whether they had adapted the name from some variation of Latin for "oak," so I looked it up. Turns out that quercitin is the legitimate name for the bottom layer of the bark of the oak tree. So Mrs. Ralph is taking sawdust pills.
The boys at Stalag 17 (and 13) would be so pleased to know the Krauts were providing them vitamin-enriched health loaves, and not just bread made with sawdust.
So Steve, save those oak saplings; Twybil probably has lumber rather than health food in mind.
Ralph
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:59:39 -0500
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 10:54:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
Now will somebody please look these two up and find out what happened to them. Then again maybe not, it would take all the romance out of it to find Eve is a comfortable matron with four kids and two dogs and a member of the school board to boot, is small town America.
Ruth,
If Eve and Fester (or Fungus, Flergus, Fetus, Flatus or whatever his name is) were of any interest, they'd be Pinheads today, not mere long-lost ex-acquaintances of Ken. I have a feeling we're better off with abbreviated second-hand stories about them than their own first-hand accounts of Heaven's Gate and Flying Saucers (rectal probes, anyone?).
Just my opinion.
Ralph
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:01:09 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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writes:
> I heard the explosion and saw the smoke, but I thought Staten Island was
> just starting up its engine and moving down to the Outer Banks.
>
We should be so lucky.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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he smoke, but I thought Staten Island was just starting up its engine and mo=
ving down to the Outer Banks.<BR>
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We should be so lucky.<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:40:45 EST
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In a message dated 2/23/03 1:27:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, YIPPee007
writes:
>
> The last week has been quite hectic--staying in places overnight and then
> off again. The last contact I made was on my birthday when we were resting
> up at the Awaroa Lodge in Abel Tasman National Park after two days of sea
> kayaking.
>
> The next day we hiked out to our kayak with our only belongings in thick
> plastic bags over our shoulders. We waded across the little inlet, the
> water swirling around our legs so it felt like you were walking on a tight
> rope.
>
> The kayak back down the coast was much more enjoyable as we had the wind at
> our backs and were able even to catch a few waves--gliding down the small
> bubbling faces.
>
> Since then it has been a bus, then the ferry over to Wellington--a great
> dinner there at a place called MondoCucina--then a quick flight up to
> Auckland where we departed from today in a rented car. So . . . tonight
> finds me in Raglan a small surfing town on the West Coast an hour south of
> Auckland. I went out for two hours this afternoon at wanganuri
> beach--beautifully wide and endless with black sand and very clean breaks.
> We're staying in a hotel/hostel where you stay in converted train cars. We
> have one all to ourselves. It's set up on one of the high hills overlooking
> the beach. Today it was gray all around except in the South West where
> little whip cream clouds slowly moved across a brilliant blue sky, like a
> herd of elephants. A maori missing all of his front teeth with a huge
> matted black mane down six inches below his shoulders encouraged me after I
> mentioned I hadn't surfed for a few months: "Na, bwai, yoo niver loose it,
> yoo niver ken loose it."
>
> I almost forgot--Bob Dylan was great last night. He even played piano! I
> think it might even have been the best concert of his I've seen. He
> alternated between his new stuff--all spotless and great, sweeping versions
> of his country love songs--"It ain't me babe," "Tonight I'll be staying
> here with you", along with "Forever Young" and "Positively 4th Street."
>
> Tomorrow on to Waitomo for caving, then Rotorua for Zorbing [getting in a
> giant plastic ball and then being rolled down a ski slope] then back up to
> AKL for two final days hopefully getting out to see some of the racing.
>
> For the record, I am now officially out of money and miss you.
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In a message dated 2/23/03 1:27:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, YIPPee007 write=
s:<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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DDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
The last week has been quite hectic--staying in places overnight and then of=
f again. The last contact I made was on my birthday when we were resting up=20=
at the Awaroa Lodge in Abel Tasman National Park after two days of sea kayak=
ing. <BR>
<BR>
The next day we hiked out to our kayak with our only belongings in thick pla=
stic bags over our shoulders. We waded across the little inlet, the water sw=
irling around our legs so it felt like you were walking on a tight rope.<BR>
<BR>
The kayak back down the coast was much more enjoyable as we had the wind at=20=
our backs and were able even to catch a few waves--gliding down the small bu=
bbling faces.<BR>
<BR>
Since then it has been a bus, then the ferry over to Wellington--a great din=
ner there at a place called MondoCucina--then a quick flight up to Auckland=20=
where we departed from today in a rented car. So . . . tonight finds me in R=
aglan a small surfing town on the West Coast an hour south of Auckland. I we=
nt out for two hours this afternoon at wanganuri beach--beautifully wide and=
endless with black sand and very clean breaks. We're staying in a hotel/hos=
tel where you stay in converted train cars. We have one all to ourselves. It=
's set up on one of the high hills overlooking the beach. Today it was gray=20=
all around except in the South West where little whip cream clouds slowly mo=
ved across a brilliant blue sky, like a herd of elephants. A maori missing a=
ll of his front teeth with a huge matted black mane down six inches below hi=
s shoulders encouraged me after I mentioned I hadn't surfed for a few months=
: "Na, bwai, yoo niver loose it, yoo niver ken loose it."<BR>
<BR>
I almost forgot--Bob Dylan was great last night. He even played piano! I thi=
nk it might even have been the best concert of his I've seen. He alternated=20=
between his new stuff--all spotless and great, sweeping versions of his coun=
try love songs--"It ain't me babe," "Tonight I'll be staying here with you",=
along with "Forever Young" and "Positively 4th Street."<BR>
<BR>
Tomorrow on to Waitomo for caving, then Rotorua for Zorbing [getting in a gi=
ant plastic ball and then being rolled down a ski slope] then back up to AKL=
for two final days hopefully getting out to see some of the racing.<BR>
<BR>
For the record, I am now officially out of money and miss you. </BLOCKQUOTE>=
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:59:39 EST
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From: Candice Brashears <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: NY Diary - Brooklyn
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In a message dated 2/23/03 10:28:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> We Pinheads are comforted by the fact that we sit so high amongst your
> priorities. Thanks a lot.
>
> Sign me,
> When I get around to it
>
Ah but you must understand. The BPrs are so infinitely fascinating, that I
don't want to miss a single post. I don't want to "rush" you see. Therefore,
"when I get around to it" is when I can be assured of a big mug of coffee, my
feet well rested and time I can devote my whole attention to the discourse.
Signed,
I got around to it
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d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
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x; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">We Pinheads are comforted by the fact that we sit so h=
igh amongst your priorities. Thanks a lot.<BR>
<BR>
Sign me,<BR>
When I get around to it<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Ah but you must understand. The BPrs are so infinitely fascinating, th=
at I don't want to miss a single post. I don't want to "rush" you see. There=
fore, "when I get around to it" is when I can be assured of a big mug of cof=
fee, my feet well rested and time I can devote my whole attention to the dis=
course. <BR>
<BR>
Signed,<BR>
I got around to it</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:40:54 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: "vgernet.net" <[log in to unmask]>
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LRY(Liberal Religious Youth) was not a drug cult, but the opposite. We made
our own rules against using drugs and alcohol during meetings or events and
followed them. Many of us, like the whole society, were gonzos, but not
there. I consider my time there well spent, in fact it was great. Speaking
of Festus, I remember working with him for his dad unloading bagged cement
at Cayuga Lumber. Part of that facility was an immense woodworking mill,
complete with planers, gang saws, band saws, ect , all operated by complex
leather belt and pulley system. I don't remember the power plant , but it
could have been water at one time. All gone when flood control project came
through.ctb
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From: "Ken Follett" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
> > Eve and Festus left the Hevens Gate folks shortly before they offed
themselves.
>
> CTB: I appreciate the news... I've carried ouround the Ithaca Journal
article since '75 and when I come across it I often wonder about the story
behind the story. Eve I think we met through LRY at the Universalist
Church -- that was something of a drug cult in itself. She always seemed to
me high spirited and larger than life. Festus the one thing I remember in
particular is his freaking one night out on a back road about UFO's & the
buzzing of a power pole transformer. I think it was one of those nights the
'55 Ford PU was acting up. Regardless, I would not characterize anyone,
including myself, that I knew during that period as being particularly
sensible. Festus was someone that you could be with for hours and feel
comfortable as he was like a shadow along for the adventure. As to the
Journal article, I'm very aware at how the newspapers distort
information. ][<en
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:53:47 -0500
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Candice Brashears
> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:33 AM
>=20
> Speaking of Brooklyn: anyone know about Sterling (Street?)=20
> near front entrance (GAR Plaza) at Prospect Park? I'd like to=20
> know what kind of neighborhood (guess its was very white=20
> middleclass) and buildings (I think multistoried -perhaps=20
> close together) as it was around 1880-1889? The family I'm=20
> researching moved there from Brooklyn Heights around that=20
> time to give their 3 kids more outdoor space...
Do you guys have access to Sanborn Fire Insurance maps there? This is =
the best way I know to get at the physical structures and their =
evolution. By comparing them year to year, you can see how a parcel =
changed over time. Once you get the legend figured out, they are =
incredibly detailed, right down to the number of windows on a fa=E7ade, =
where the doors are, the material of the roof, etc. They were producing =
maps for Raleigh in the 1890s, so they surely were well-detailed for NYC =
during that decade.
__________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir. "Oh joy! Rapture! Now
Raleigh Historic I have a brain!"
Districts Commission - Scarecrow
[log in to unmask] =20
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:56:41 -0500
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Devonshire
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 9:24 AM
In a message dated 2/22/2003 7:52:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
As it happened, I was at the Dr's office (in Joisey) and think I was
looking in the right direction, and didn't see anything. On the other
hand, I was farther away this time and it was nowhere near as clear as
Sept 11.
I heard the explosion and saw the smoke, but I thought Staten Island was
just starting up its engine and moving down to the Outer Banks.
I'm pretty sure that the natives of the Outer Banks would object to
this. They might turn off the lighthouse and hope for a wreck in the
Graveyard of the Atlantic.=20
=20
________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir. "Dagnabit Muskie, who dropped
Raleigh Historic the cotton pickin' curtain on
Districts Commission my toe bone?" =20
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face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Mike =
Devonshire<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 23, 2003 9:24=20
AM<BR><BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT lang=3D0 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><FONT =
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[log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR></FONT>
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didn't see=20
anything. On the other hand, I was farther away this time and =
it was=20
nowhere near as clear as Sept 11.</FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
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Staten=20
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Banks.</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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would object=20
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=20
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pickin'=20
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:03:29 -0500
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-----Original Message-----
From: Met History
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 2:41 PM
...donations accepted at www.TeenagerWithoutCash.ATM.
In a message dated 2/23/03 1:27:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, YIPPee007
writes:
we were resting up at the Awaroa Lodge in Abel Tasman National Park=20
We're staying in a hotel/hostel where you stay in converted train cars.
We have one all to ourselves. =20
At least he didn't set off any of Irene's dirty little filters; he's
much better at inference than Ralph....
_______________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir., "Help me, Mr. Wizard! I don't
Raleigh Historic want to be here anymore!"
Districts Commission - Tooter the Turtle
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face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Met=20
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face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF">...donations =
accepted at=20
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1:27:14 AM=20
Eastern Standard Time, YIPPee007 writes:<BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
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Lodge in=20
Abel Tasman National Park <BR><BR>We're staying in a hotel/hostel =
where you=20
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ourselves. <SPAN=20
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Historic  =
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:01:57 -0800
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Or my backyard for maple, birch, beech, pine or hemlock. Ruth
At 10:22 AM -0500 2/23/03, [log in to unmask] wrote:
Twybil,
Oh, you need some oak saplings? Let me step out into my back yard. What
would you like? Southern pine, red oak, white oak, or palmetto? Although I
don't think the palmettos will do so well.
Sign me,
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:40:27 EST
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Subject: Re: NY Diary - Brooklyn
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 3:00:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Ah but you must understand. The BPrs are so infinitely fascinating, that I
> don't want to miss a single post. I don't want to "rush" you see.
> Therefore, "when I get around to it" is when I can be assured of a big mug
> of coffee, my feet well rested and time I can devote my whole attention to
> the discourse.
>
Ralph, what do you think?
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=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/23/2003 3:00:48 PM Easter=
n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">Ah but you must understand. The BPrs are so infinitel=
y fascinating, that I don't want to miss a single post. I don't want to "rus=
h" you see. Therefore, "when I get around to it" is when I can be assured of=
a big mug of coffee, my feet well rested and time I can devote my whole att=
ention to the discourse. <BR>
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fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:08:33 EST
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:08:06 EST
Subject: Re: 1891 Handwritten New York City Diary/SharpMock
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 4:54:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> >From: Candice Brashears
> >Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:33 AM
> >
> >Speaking of Brooklyn: anyone know about Sterling (Street?)
> >near front entrance (GAR Plaza) at Prospect Park? I'd like to
> >know what kind of neighborhood (guess its was very white
> >middleclass) and buildings (I think multistoried -perhaps
> >close together) as it was around 1880-1889? The family I'm
> >researching moved there from Brooklyn Heights around that
> >time to give their 3 kids more outdoor space...
>
> Do you guys have access to Sanborn Fire Insurance maps there?
You can get Sanborns online from
<A HREF="http://edrnet.com/">http://edrnet.com/</A>
You need to set up an account, but you can get a full Sanborn series on most
properties.
Julip
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">>From: Candice Brashears<BR>
>Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:33 AM<BR>
><BR>
>Speaking of Brooklyn: anyone know about Sterling (Street?) <BR>
>near front entrance (GAR Plaza) at Prospect Park? I'd like to <BR>
>know what kind of neighborhood (guess its was very white <BR>
>middleclass) and buildings (I think multistoried -perhaps <BR>
>close together) as it was around 1880-1889? The family I'm <BR>
>researching moved there from Brooklyn Heights around that <BR>
>time to give their 3 kids more outdoor space...<BR>
<BR>
Do you guys have access to Sanborn Fire Insurance maps there? </BLOCKQUOTE><=
BR>
<BR>
You can get Sanborns online from<BR>
<BR>
<A HREF=3D"http://edrnet.com/">http://edrnet.com/</A><BR>
<BR>
You need to set up an account, but you can get a full Sanborn series on most=
properties. <BR>
<BR>
Julip</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:53:11 EST
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From: Mike Devonshire <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter - and another thing
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 10:22:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Oh, you need some oak saplings?
No Steve, I was thinking about the 2' wide 5/4 pieces of red oak from the
probably 200 year old tree they cut down. I'll pick them up.
Thanks,
Twybil
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE=
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0p=
x; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Oh, you need some oak saplings?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
No Steve, I was thinking about the 2' wide 5/4 pieces of red oak from the pr=
obably 200 year old tree they cut down. I'll pick them up.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:55:17 EST
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From: Mike Devonshire <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 4:57:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> They might turn off the lighthouse and hope for a wreck in the Graveyard of
> the Atlantic.
>
>
Dan,
Yeah, I guess that's an idea.
Twyb.
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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e=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PA=
DDING-LEFT: 5px">They might turn off the lighthouse and hope for a wreck in=20=
the Graveyard of the Atlantic.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKG=
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Dan,<BR>
Yeah, I guess that's an idea. <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:57:33 EST
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter - and another thing
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 8:53:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> I was thinking about the 2' wide 5/4 pieces of red oak from the probably 200
> year old tree they cut down. I'll pick them up.
>
Twybil,
I think you're a day late and a dollar short. I'm not sure how old the tree
was. The diameter did not seem that large. I will count the growth rings the
next time I am up there.
Steve
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=
=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/23/2003 8:53:47 PM Easter=
n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">I was thinking about the 2' wide 5/4 pieces of red oak from=
the probably 200 year old tree they cut down. I'll pick them up.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Twybil,<BR>
<BR>
I think you're a day late and a dollar short. I'm not sure how old the tree=20=
was. The diameter did not seem that large. I will count the growth rings the=
next time I am up there.<BR>
<BR>
Steve</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:23:43 -0800
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From: Ruth Barton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Master Peter from New Zealand (excerpted)...
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Ah, to be young and fearless again!!!!!! Zorbing sounds a blast, I never
could master skiing. I wanted to jump but my brother said I had to learn
to ski first. Much later, too late, I learned that most jumpers don't know
how to ski well at all. Most jumpers aren't female either. Ruth
At 2:40 PM -0500 2/23/03, Met History wrote:
...donations accepted at www.TeenagerWithoutCash.ATM.
In a message dated 2/23/03 1:27:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, YIPPee007 writes:
The last week has been quite hectic--staying in places overnight and then
off again. The last contact I made was on my birthday when we were resting
up at the Awaroa Lodge in Abel Tasman National Park after two days of sea
kayaking.
The next day we hiked out to our kayak with our only belongings in thick
plastic bags over our shoulders. We waded across the little inlet, the
water swirling around our legs so it felt like you were walking on a tight
rope.
The kayak back down the coast was much more enjoyable as we had the wind at
our backs and were able even to catch a few waves--gliding down the small
bubbling faces.
Since then it has been a bus, then the ferry over to Wellington--a great
dinner there at a place called MondoCucina--then a quick flight up to
Auckland where we departed from today in a rented car. So . . . tonight
finds me in Raglan a small surfing town on the West Coast an hour south of
Auckland. I went out for two hours this afternoon at wanganuri
beach--beautifully wide and endless with black sand and very clean breaks.
We're staying in a hotel/hostel where you stay in converted train cars. We
have one all to ourselves. It's set up on one of the high hills overlooking
the beach. Today it was gray all around except in the South West where
little whip cream clouds slowly moved across a brilliant blue sky, like a
herd of elephants. A maori missing all of his front teeth with a huge
matted black mane down six inches below his shoulders encouraged me after I
mentioned I hadn't surfed for a few months: "Na, bwai, yoo niver loose it,
yoo niver ken loose it."
I almost forgot--Bob Dylan was great last night. He even played piano! I
think it might even have been the best concert of his I've seen. He
alternated between his new stuff--all spotless and great, sweeping versions
of his country love songs--"It ain't me babe," "Tonight I'll be staying
here with you", along with "Forever Young" and "Positively 4th Street."
Tomorrow on to Waitomo for caving, then Rotorua for Zorbing [getting in a
giant plastic ball and then being rolled down a ski slope] then back up to
AKL for two final days hopefully getting out to see some of the racing.
For the record, I am now officially out of money and miss you.
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:17:00 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 4:57:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I'm pretty sure that the natives of the Outer Banks would object to this.
> They might turn off the lighthouse and hope for a wreck in the Graveyard of
> the Atlantic.
>
We current neighbors of Staten Island would hope for the same thing.
Remember the New York garbage barge that wandered the 7 Seas a few years
back? Let's just say the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">I'm pretty sure that the natives of the Outer Banks would o=
bject to this. They might turn off the lighthouse and hope for a wreck in th=
e Graveyard of the Atlantic.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGRO=
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<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
We current neighbors of Staten Island would hope for the same thing. R=
emember the New York garbage barge that wandered the 7 Seas a few years back=
? Let's just say the apple didn't fall far from the tree.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:17:36 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Master Peter from New Zealand (excerpted)...
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 5:04:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> he's much better at inference than Ralph....
There's high praise if I ever heard it.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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rial" LANG=3D"0">he's much better at inference than Ralph....</BLOCKQUOTE></=
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There's high praise if I ever heard it.<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:25:34 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: NY Diary - Brooklyn
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 6:41:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Ralph, what do you think?
Steve,
Actually, I started to answer this one earlier today, and decided "screw it."
I know it's hard to believe.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Steve,<BR>
<BR>
Actually, I started to answer this one earlier today, and decided "screw it.=
" I know it's hard to believe.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:35:53 EST
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> No Steve, I was thinking about the 2' wide 5/4 pieces of red oak from the
> probably 200 year old tree they cut down. I'll pick them up.
>
>
Twy,
Don't forget to take Staten Island with you.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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ut down. I'll pick them up.<BR>
<BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Twy,<BR>
<BR>
Don't forget to take Staten Island with you.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: Master Peter from New Zealand (excerpted)...
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 9:09:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Most jumpers aren't female either.
The females are too smart.
Ralph
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The females are too smart.<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:47:00 -0800
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"Actually, checking the topo, we are just a bit off west from a line
connecting Brookhaven Labs and where Flight 800...."
Ken,
Are you suggesting a new historic preservation realm - famous air spaces.
Out here in the West, historic trails are the current growth industry for
historians and consultants and adventure tourism. Researching them,
finding the trail remains,
restoring and reopening them as biking/hiking paths and linking them with
commercial tourism ventures is all the rage. What was once a dirty old
rail
road track or overgrown brushy pack horse route through a swamp is now am
picturesque historic experience.
At the coast near Vancouver, there was currently a bit of front page
controversy about
what is junk and what is an historic experience. A scuba diving holiday
group
wants to sink a large air liner as an artificial reef play place for
recreational diving. They already have sunk a big war ship and some other
stuff and are claiming worldwide status as a great place to see stuff while
diving. To some, the macabre aspect of an airliner broken up and under
water is not a happy use of the place or the object. After reading your
note, the image of not only demarked and celebrated historic flight paths
but also destruction sites comes to mind (unfortunately). What spectacular
opportunities for re-enactors. "Let's do Flight 800 next weekend."
Interesting how we (some) humans are keen to re-enact at places where people
died while at war but not places where people died while at peace.
Somehow it sort of reminds me of the high school Junior Civil Defence Rescue
Group I was part of during the atom era, where we went out on weekends with
our club's rescue van, an old blue laundry truck, and practiced retrieving
victims of an atomic blast, led by professors from the Nuclear Physics
Department at Cornell who should have known better but were probably trying
to ease their consciences. Although I liked learning the first aid and
ropework skills, I always felt very uncomfortable about the potential
massive scale of the disaster we were practicing for and the miniscule scale
and miniscule skills of our rescue group. It all seemed really silly but
was a lot of fun as we tried to learn what it was to be professionals and
how to wear hard hats.
Also, your mention of saving gas to dispel aliens and other life forms
suggests creating a collection of historic gas.
I hereby nominate Ken for the first "Famous Farts" award.
cp in clean air bc
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:12:52 -0500
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Cuyler wrote:
>>I hereby nominate Ken for the first "Famous Farts" award.<<
I heard he knows where Edison's last one is.
Or did he mean famous Old Farts?
Rudy
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I don't think I've seen the list this prolific in months. What the hell
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:56:38 EST
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 11:53:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I hereby nominate Ken for the first "Famous Farts" award.
>
Moved and seconded.
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From what I have been able to pick up in the barrage, then trickles of
information, the shuttle was breaking up not long after re-entry. They
suspect that there was some damage to the wheel well covers and the front
part of the left wing. Even though the designs of the shuttle were
relatively the same, for some reason the Challenger had a different tile
configuration, a bit "rougher" and a more tedious layout than the others,
making it more vulnerable upon damage. So they think, at least
unofficially, that the foam fragments that fell off the booster rocket
during take off may have done some damage to the tiles and the wheel well
covers. And since the temp gets up to about 3000 degrees, and the
underlying aluminum melts at what 800 degrees, they didn't have a chance
even over California. So when those gauges freaked out over Texas, the heat
was in and the shuttle was breaking up. Apparently there analysis of the
damage after take off was a bit too optimistic. Another theory is all of
that space junk out there hit them on the way in. Unfortunately, flying at
Mach 12 has its inherent dangers.
Rob Cagnetta
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:36:54 -0600
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Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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I have to agree that that is a problem. I don't have a snappy
come-back.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:07 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> John, the problem with "evidence" is, who's collecting it. The one's
> doing the irregularities are the authorities charged with
> investigation.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> Jim,
>
> Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
> if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
> charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
> right to due process).
>
> Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
> California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
> politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
> of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
> cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
> wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
> in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
> 200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
> representatives...enough is enough!
>
> Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
> popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
> going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
> cause problems.
>
> -jc
>
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
> in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
> won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
> the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
> many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
> all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
> just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
> Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole > sout.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Walter
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
> my shame.
>
>
>
> What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
> Dubya.
>
> Ralph
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I have to agree that that is a problem. I don't have a snappy
come-back.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:07 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>John, the problem
with "evidence" is, who's collecting it. The one's doing the
irregularities are the authorities charged with investigation.</smaller></fontfamily>
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<bold>From:</bold> <underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>John
Callan</color></underline>
<bold>To:</bold>
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>[log in to unmask]</color></underline>
<bold>Sent:</bold> Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline>Ralph Walter
</underline><bold>To:</bold>
<underline>[log in to unmask]
</underline><bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<underline>[log in to unmask]</underline> writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
Dubya.
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/23/03 8:10:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> You can get Sanborns online from
>
> <A HREF="http://edrnet.com/">http://edrnet.com/</A>
>
Nice to know. thanks
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:39:12 -0600
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I'm just not as discouraged as you appear to be, and I'm more
confidient in "representative democracy" than you are.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:11 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> Popular vote etc. I think that is why there is a senate with two reps
> from each state no matter how large or small the population.
> I think the main problem is are we living in a democracy or a
> capitolacracy?
> It seems to me democracy = capitol in this country and the more
> capitol the more democracy.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> Jim,
>
> Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
> if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
> charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
> right to due process).
>
> Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
> California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
> politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
> of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
> cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
> wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
> in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
> 200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
> representatives...enough is enough!
>
> Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
> popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
> going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
> cause problems.
>
> -jc
>
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
> in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
> won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
> the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
> many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
> all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
> just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
> Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole > sout.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Walter
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
> my shame.
>
>
>
> What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
> Dubya.
>
> Ralph
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I'm just not as discouraged as you appear to be, and I'm more
confidient in "representative democracy" than you are.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:11 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Popular vote etc. I
think that is why there is a senate with two reps from each state no
matter how large or small the population.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>I think the main problem is
are we living in a democracy or a capitolacracy?</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>It seems to me democracy =
capitol in this country and the more capitol the more democracy.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>jh</smaller></fontfamily>
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Callan</color></underline>
<bold>To:</bold>
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>[log in to unmask]</color></underline>
<bold>Sent:</bold> Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline>Ralph Walter
</underline><bold>To:</bold>
<underline>[log in to unmask]
</underline><bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<underline>[log in to unmask]</underline> writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
Dubya.
Ralph
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ctb:
The Cayuga Lumber mill couldn't have been run via water power as there is no
head available and the flow is pretty low much of the time. Even upstream
at the flood control dam there is only about 3 feet of head (if that--barely
enough to run a small mill) as I recollect. The flood control project
wouldn't have changed things as it didn't affect the level of the lake as
far as I know (the water level at Cayuga Lumber woud've been pretty close to
that of the lake).
My first job out of college involved working with small hydro in New England
and the first job site I worked had a belt-driven mill that could be driven
by either a Leffel turbine (about 6-8 feet of head) or an immense (to me)
steam engine (it took up about a fifteen by thrity foot room, had about an
eight foot diameter flywheel). The company I worked for provided a new
hydro-electric turbine and made the belt system obsolete (Leffel was rude to
the owner when he visited their plant so he decided to not replace the
original mechanical turbine). The owner sold the shafts and belts but the
steam engine remained (the boiler for it was about as big as the engine room
as I recall but I think firing it up would be too dangerous).
Some of my fondest recollections of the west end of Ithaca (I grew up, until
age 11, opposite Washington Park, about six blocks east) involved visiting
the other lumber yard (Robinson's?) that was a little downstream of Cayuga
Lumber. Their mill building always seemed to be in danger of falling into
the creek. We would go here on Saturdays to pick up wood that my folks had
planed there and I can still remember a short slender guy, dressed in kakhi
work clothes, with thin, slicked back hair and glasses who always seemed to
wait on us.
Other memories involved hitching rides on the switching locomotives as they
worked rail cars around the west end. This probably only happened once or
twice but it certainly was a high point of hanging around that area. (And,
of course, putting pennies and pieces of ballast on the rails to see what
was left after the train passed.) Later in life I sometimes had the
pleasure of refueling the engines when I worked for Agway Petroleum one
winter (dropping 500 or so gallons once or twice a week just a mile or so
from our depot was considered a plum job, one the regular drivers didn't
like to give up).
Bruce
-----Original Message-----
From: vgernet.net [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 4:41 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
Speaking
of Festus, I remember working with him for his dad unloading bagged cement
at Cayuga Lumber. Part of that facility was an immense woodworking mill,
complete with planers, gang saws, band saws, ect , all operated by complex
leather belt and pulley system. I don't remember the power plant , but it
could have been water at one time. All gone when flood control project came
through.ctb
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This is a particulary good one. $45 million. Best, Christopher
In a message dated 2/24/03 8:14:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> ATTN: SEEKING HONEST ASSOCIATE
>
> Pardon me for contacting you through this medium and in this manner without
> any prior introduction. This is due to circumstances beyond my control. I
> had to bribe
> the prison attendants to secretly allow me open an email address from the
> computer in their office. My name is Alhaji Mohammed Sani Abacha, the
> eldest
> surviving son of the late Nigerian Head of State, General Sani Abacha. I am
> currently in detention on the orders of the current Nigerian government at
> the
> Kirikiri Maximum Security Prisons, Lagos
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n. Best, Christopher <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 2/24/03 8:14:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, oh_009_ab=
[log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BR>
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d to bribe<BR>
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surviving son of the late Nigerian Head of State, General Sani Abacha. I am=20=
currently in detention on the orders of the current Nigerian government at t=
he <BR>
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There was an interesting article in the local Sunday paper talking about
"419" scams. Check out http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ Made me think
of Ms. Loi....
- Pam
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Met History
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:02 PM
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This is a particulary good one. $45 million. Best, Christopher
In a message dated 2/24/03 8:14:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
ATTN: SEEKING HONEST ASSOCIATE
Pardon me for contacting you through this medium and in this manner
without any prior introduction. This is due to circumstances beyond my
control. I had to bribe
the prison attendants to secretly allow me open an email address from
the computer in their office. My name is Alhaji Mohammed Sani Abacha, the
eldest
surviving son of the late Nigerian Head of State, General Sani Abacha. I
am currently in detention on the orders of the current Nigerian government
at the
Kirikiri Maximum Security Prisons, Lagos
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=760410817-24022003>There was an interesting article in the local Sunday
paper talking about "419" scams. Check out <A
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Made me think of Ms. Loi....</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=760410817-24022003>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Met
History<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 24, 2003 12:02 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> "thank god i can
reach you"<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT
face="Times New Roman" lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SERIF">This is a particulary good
one. $45 million. Best, Christopher <BR><BR><BR>In a
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[log in to unmask] writes:<BR></FONT><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial lang=0
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you through this medium and in this manner without any prior introduction.
This is due to circumstances beyond my control. I had to bribe<BR>the prison
attendants to secretly allow me open an email address from the computer in
their office. My name is Alhaji Mohammed Sani Abacha, the eldest
<BR>surviving son of the late Nigerian Head of State, General Sani Abacha. I
am currently in detention on the orders of the current Nigerian government
at the <BR>Kirikiri Maximum Security Prisons, Lagos
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:24:48 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Low Flying War of the Worlds
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Also, your mention of saving gas to dispel aliens and other life forms
suggests creating a collection of historic gas.
Cuyler,
I appreciate the confidence but I believe Henry Ford beat us to it with the
historic gas of Thomas Edison. There may be other precedents that we are not
aware of. An online list of archived resources would make an interesting
addition to the political graveyard.
Historic contrails... works for me. It may also be a good theme for a
planetarium. Obviously odd -- divers wanting to visit a faux plane wreck. I
suppose next somebody will want to designate the tree that Sonny Bono ran
into.
What I would like to know is why do people re-enact? My asking has something
to do with the philosophy of history tapes I've been listening to... we exist
in a culture where most of us are wage earners and yet some of us use our
surplus to re-enact the past, but the re-enactment is never the reality...
several steps away from reality into an historical fantasy.
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suggests creating a collection of historic gas.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Cuyler,<BR>
<BR>
I appreciate the confidence but I believe Henry Ford beat us to it with the=20=
historic gas of Thomas Edison. There may be other precedents that we are not=
aware of. An online list of archived resources would make an interesting ad=
dition to the political graveyard.<BR>
<BR>
Historic contrails... works for me. It may also be a good theme for a planet=
arium. Obviously odd -- divers wanting to visit a faux plane wreck. I suppos=
e next somebody will want to designate the tree that Sonny Bono ran into.<BR=
>
<BR>
What I would like to know is why do people re-enact? My asking has something=
to do with the philosophy of history tapes I've been listening to... we exi=
st in a culture where most of us are wage earners and yet some of us use our=
surplus to re-enact the past, but the re-enactment is never the reality...=20=
several steps away from reality into an historical fantasy.<BR>
<BR>
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Or did he mean famous Old Farts?
I'm waiting for prequalification.
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Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
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I don't think I've seen the list this prolific in months. What the hell
happened to everybody???
Bad gas?
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They are mapping the debris with GIS. When people call into the forestry
service mapping service in Texas then the pieces are plotted and somone goes
out and gets them, along with photographs of the position of the pieces. I'm
curious if, based on the disbursement of pieces, they will be able to plot a
computer simulation of the event. ][<en
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 12:25:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> What I would like to know is why do people re-enact? My asking has something
> to do with the philosophy of history tapes I've been listening to... we
> exist in a culture where most of us are wage earners and yet some of us use
> our surplus to re-enact the past, but the re-enactment is never the
> reality... several steps away from reality into an historical fantasy.
>
This is evidently not quite as nonsensical, and more Histo-Presto supportive,
to me than to you. The reenactors are trying to get as close to whatever
chunk of history they're obsessed with, and to recreate for themselves a
sense of "what it was like," kinda like us. Only we get paid to do it with
buildings, and they pay to dress up and be uncomfortable.
We're all nuts.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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y do people re-enact? My asking has something to do with the philosophy of h=
istory tapes I've been listening to... we exist in a culture where most of u=
s are wage earners and yet some of us use our surplus to re-enact the past,=20=
but the re-enactment is never the reality... several steps away from reality=
into an historical fantasy.<BR>
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This is evidently not quite as nonsensical, and more Histo-Presto supportive=
, to me than to you. The reenactors are trying to get as close to what=
ever chunk of history they're obsessed with, and to recreate for themselves=20=
a sense of "what it was like," kinda like us. Only we get paid to do i=
t with buildings, and they pay to dress up and be uncomfortable.<BR>
<BR>
We're all nuts.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:37:59 -0500
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Trying to sound less arrogant as I actuall am, that you can't come up =
with a snappy response recomends you well.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Callan=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
I have to agree that that is a problem. I don't have a snappy =
come-back.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:07 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
John, the problem with "evidence" is, who's collecting it. The one's =
doing the irregularities are the authorities charged with investigation.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Callan
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated =
and if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be =
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my =
right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida, =
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them =
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany of =
your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the cost =
savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the =
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys in =
the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little 200 =
acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of =
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. =
The popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is =
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that =
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I =
vote in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case =
Demdumb won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged =
from the voting reg six months before the election and on election day =
in many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus =
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that just =
this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern =
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Walter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much =
to my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby =
electing Dubya.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Trying to sound less arrogant as =
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well.</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A [log in to unmask] =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">John=20
Callan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 24, 2003 =
10:36=20
AM</DIV>
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&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have to agree that that is a problem. I don't have a =
snappy=20
come-back.<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR>On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:07 =
AM, Jim=20
Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>John, the problem =
with=20
"evidence" is, who's collecting it. The one's doing the =
irregularities are=20
the authorities charged with=20
investigation.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>----- Original =
Message=20
-----<BR><B>From:</B> <U><?color><?param 1999,1999,FFFF>John=20
Callan<?/color></U><BR><B>To:</B> <U><?color><?param =
1999,1999,FFFF><A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
[log in to unmask]</A><?/color></U><BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq =
response &=20
Constitution<BR><BR>Jim,<BR><BR>Two seperate issues. Voting =
irregularities=20
should be investigated and if the evidence supports the charge, the=20
perpetrators should be charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, =
(barely and=20
only to protect my right to due process).<BR><BR>Popular vote? =
That's a=20
great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida, California or New York. =
No=20
problem for you, you'll have all them politicians listening to your =
polls=20
and visiting every nook and crany of your steaming cities. And so =
damned=20
efficient too! Think of the cost savings. Don't have to pay any =
attention to=20
them folks out in the wilderness. Hell! We could have a National =
Real Estate=20
Tax...you guys in the cities would like that! And your farmers with =
their=20
cute little 200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got =
the house=20
of representatives...enough is enough!<BR><BR>Disenfranchisement is =
a bad=20
idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The popular vote eliminates =
any=20
reason for politicians to know what is going on outside of a dozen =
most=20
populated states. Things like that cause =
problems.<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR><BR>On=20
Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>It =
would=20
help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote in NY =
and the=20
State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb won the pop =
vote, he=20
just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from the voting reg six =
months=20
before the election and on election day in many black counties there =
were=20
road blocks leading to the polls (plus all of the other voting =
eregularities=20
which the supreams said that just this one time we're going to =
chose)and in=20
any case the "Southern Stradegy" has worked very well and is very =
alive in=20
the grand ole sout.<BR>jh<BR><BR>----- Original Message=20
-----<BR><B>From:</B> <U>Ralph Walter<BR></U><B>To:</B>=20
<U>[log in to unmask]<BR></U><B>Sent:</B> =
Wednesday,=20
February 19, 2003 8:55 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response & =
Constitution<BR><BR>In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern =
Standard=20
Time, <U>[log in to unmask]</U> writes:<BR><BR>Actually, I hate =
them all=20
except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to my =
shame.<BR><BR><BR><BR>What=20
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:41:28 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 12:26:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Bad gas?
Years ago, in Joisey City, I met a group of people, including (for the first
and only time) the wife of one of my neighbors who announced that there was
"nothing as overrated as a bad f*ck, or as underrated as a good sh*t."
Shortly thereafter she ran away with my friend's (nominal) best friend, who
was among those present at the time the above announcement was made.
Anyway, the point of this is that it seems to me that bad gas is in the nose
of the beholder.
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Years ago, in Joisey City, I met a group of people, including (for the first=
and only time) the wife of one of my neighbors who announced that there was=
"nothing as overrated as a bad f*ck, or as underrated as a good sh*t." =
; Shortly thereafter she ran away with my friend's (nominal) best friend, wh=
o was among those present at the time the above announcement was made.<BR>
<BR>
Anyway, the point of this is that it seems to me that bad gas is in the nose=
of the beholder.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:46:51 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Speaking of diving on plane wrecks, last night I set up my folk's DVD player
(up until now just used for music CDs) to play DVDs on the TV. They got a
DVD from Sam Johnson (of the wax firm--his family used to live in my folks'
house and he knows them from Cornell alumni stuff) that has to do with Sam
recreating a plane his dad used to fly down to Brazil to find carnuba wax
(from which Johnson's "Car Nu" was made). Anyway in it is a scene where his
boy(s) and others dive in Papua New Guinea to try to find the wreck of his
dad's plane (sold to another company and wrecked there). The plane was
powered by twin rotary engines, high wing, a short center fuselage/hull for
landing on water, small pontoons out near the wing tips, twin booms back to
the rear control surfaces, etc. I saw a display at Oshkosh when I was there
several years ago that featured a small movie theater inside a replica
fuselage of the plane. I think the film was on Discovery or TLC some time
ago but this may have added information (I only watched short parts near the
front last night)?
Last night I also heard a tidbit that you'll get a kick out of: My mom
mentioned that they are excavating out in back of the Woolworth's store (now
the Cornell Public Library), in the parking lot, to investgate old privies
that were in back of small houses along that block of South Cayuga Street.
They're getting ready to build a parking garage there (evidently the library
or the hotel across the street needs more parking space--it's not a great
location for the downtown business district) and someone decided they needed
to learn something of that era by digging up ancient the privies that were
out back of the houses. I tried to search the past IJs but to no avail
(they don't seem to allow that access--they want to sell that service, I
think)--I understand an article appeared in the paper about two weeks ago.
Apparently digging up old privies is a valid/worthwhile archeological
practice...
Submit to BP if appropriate...
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Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]] wrote:
Obviously odd -- divers wanting to visit a faux plane wreck.
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I think most of you middle class whites do have confidence in the way =
things are playing out at the moment (of course that is if you still =
have yours- maybe talk to some ex Enron employees to get their slant on =
the current state of "r d") but if you look a little past your edges I =
think your confidence will be eroded a mite.=20
Maybe not; I think the H L Menkin quote about something to the effect =
that 'no-one ever went broke overestimating the mediocrity of the =
American public' comes into play here.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Callan=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
I'm just not as discouraged as you appear to be, and I'm more =
confidient in "representative democracy" than you are.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:11 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
Popular vote etc. I think that is why there is a senate with two =
reps from each state no matter how large or small the population.
I think the main problem is are we living in a democracy or a =
capitolacracy?
It seems to me democracy =3D capitol in this country and the more =
capitol the more democracy.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: John Callan
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated =
and if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be =
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my =
right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida, =
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them =
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany of =
your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the cost =
savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the =
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys in =
the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little 200 =
acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of =
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. =
The popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is =
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that =
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I =
vote in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case =
Demdumb won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged =
from the voting reg six months before the election and on election day =
in many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus =
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that just =
this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern =
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Walter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much =
to my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby =
electing Dubya.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think most of you middle class whites =
do have=20
confidence in the way things are playing out at the moment (of course =
that is if=20
you still have yours- maybe talk to some ex Enron employees to get their =
slant=20
on the current state of "r d") but if you look a little past your edges =
I think=20
your confidence will be eroded a mite. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe not; I think the H L Menkin quote =
about=20
something to the effect that 'no-one ever went broke overestimating the=20
mediocrity of the American public' comes into play here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jh</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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<A [log in to unmask] =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">John=20
Callan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
[log in to unmask]</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 24, 2003 =
10:39=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response =
&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I'm just not as discouraged as you appear to be, and =
I'm more=20
confidient in "representative democracy" than you =
are.<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR>On=20
Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:11 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Popular vote etc. I =
think=20
that is why there is a senate with two reps from each state no =
matter how=20
large or small the =
population.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>I=20
think the main problem is are we living in a democracy or a =
capitolacracy?<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>It=20
seems to me democracy =3D capitol in this country and the more =
capitol the=20
more democracy.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>jh<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>-----=20
Original Message -----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
<U><?color><?param 1999,1999,FFFF>John =
Callan<?/color></U><BR><B>To:</B> <U><?color><?param =
1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color></U><BR>=
<B>Sent:</B>=20
Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq =
response &=20
Constitution<BR><BR>Jim,<BR><BR>Two seperate issues. Voting =
irregularities=20
should be investigated and if the evidence supports the charge, the=20
perpetrators should be charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, =
(barely and=20
only to protect my right to due process).<BR><BR>Popular vote? =
That's a=20
great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida, California or New York. =
No=20
problem for you, you'll have all them politicians listening to your =
polls=20
and visiting every nook and crany of your steaming cities. And so =
damned=20
efficient too! Think of the cost savings. Don't have to pay any =
attention to=20
them folks out in the wilderness. Hell! We could have a National =
Real Estate=20
Tax...you guys in the cities would like that! And your farmers with =
their=20
cute little 200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got =
the house=20
of representatives...enough is enough!<BR><BR>Disenfranchisement is =
a bad=20
idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The popular vote eliminates =
any=20
reason for politicians to know what is going on outside of a dozen =
most=20
populated states. Things like that cause =
problems.<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR><BR>On=20
Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>It =
would=20
help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote in NY =
and the=20
State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb won the pop =
vote, he=20
just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from the voting reg six =
months=20
before the election and on election day in many black counties there =
were=20
road blocks leading to the polls (plus all of the other voting =
eregularities=20
which the supreams said that just this one time we're going to =
chose)and in=20
any case the "Southern Stradegy" has worked very well and is very =
alive in=20
the grand ole sout.<BR>jh<BR><BR>----- Original Message=20
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<U>[log in to unmask]<BR></U><B>Sent:</B> =
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February 19, 2003 8:55 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response & =
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Standard=20
Time, <U>[log in to unmask]</U> writes:<BR><BR>Actually, I hate =
them all=20
except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to my =
shame.<BR><BR><BR><BR>What=20
you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing=20
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As was evidenced last night in our household. The newest "adult" in the
family decided that there wasn't enough excitement watching the Grammy's,
and therefore, a little Odor du jour was needed - one of the silent but
deadly variety. We promptly lit the smelliest candle we could find just to
keep our eyes from watering. He thought the scent was Wonderful.
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Anyway, the point of this is that it seems to me that bad gas is in the
nose of the beholder.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=875434817-24022003>As was evidenced last night in our household. The
newest "adult" in the family decided that there wasn't enough excitement
watching the Grammy's, and therefore, a little Odor du jour was needed - one of
the silent but deadly variety. We promptly lit the smelliest candle we
could find just to keep our eyes from watering. He thought the scent was
Wonderful.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT
size=2>-----Original Message-----<FONT color=#0000ff></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS"><SPAN
class=875434817-24022003> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=875434817-24022003> </SPAN><BR></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial lang=0 size=2
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Anyway, the point of this
is that it seems to me that bad gas is in the nose of the
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Low Flying War of the Worlds
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 12:47:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Apparently digging up old privies is a valid/worthwhile archeological
> practice...
>
Bruce,
You really never heard of this? Is there so much abovegrade up there that
you never heard of excavating (or is the ground too hard)? This is standard
archeological practice, and a rich source of historic....stuff. I have never
had the pleasure of excavating an old one, myself, although I have excavated
for a new one once (in Boy Scout camp one summer), and have used them for
Private Functions more often than I would like.
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Apparently digging up old privi=
es is a valid/worthwhile archeological<BR>
practice...<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
Bruce,<BR>
<BR>
You really never heard of this? Is there so much abovegrade up there t=
hat you never heard of excavating (or is the ground too hard)? This is stand=
ard archeological practice, and a rich source of historic....stuff. I=20=
have never had the pleasure of excavating an old one, myself, although I hav=
e excavated for a new one once (in Boy Scout camp one summer), and have used=
them for Private Functions more often than I would like.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 12:49:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I think most of you middle class whites do have confidence in the way things
> are playing out at the moment (of course that is if you still have yours-
> maybe talk to some ex Enron employees to get their slant on the current
> state of "r d") but if you look a little past your edges I think your
> confidence will be eroded a mite.
Jim,
My confidence is somewhat unsteady at the moment (and was more so after the
2000 election, too), but like being alive, our version of representative
democracy is better than the alternatives.
Which is not to say that the Enron bigshots and their cohorts elsewhere
shouldn't be boiled in oil.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I think most of you middle clas=
s whites do have confidence in the way things are playing out at the moment=20=
(of course that is if you still have yours- maybe talk to some ex Enron empl=
oyees to get their slant on the current state of "r d") but if you look a li=
ttle past your edges I think your confidence will be eroded a mite. </BLOCKQ=
UOTE><BR>
<BR>
Jim,<BR>
<BR>
My confidence is somewhat unsteady at the moment (and was more so after the=20=
2000 election, too), but like being alive, our version of representative dem=
ocracy is better than the alternatives. <BR>
<BR>
Which is not to say that the Enron bigshots and their cohorts elsewhere shou=
ldn't be boiled in oil. <BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 12:51:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> As was evidenced last night in our household. The newest "adult" in the
> family decided that there wasn't enough excitement watching the Grammy's,
> and therefore, a little Odor du jour was needed - one of the silent but
> deadly variety. We promptly lit the smelliest candle we could find just to
> keep our eyes from watering. He thought the scent was Wonderful.
>
Pam,
Which did he think was wonderful? Permit me to remind you of the old adage,
"He who smelt it, dealt it." Or in this case, was it a She? Nyah, nyah,
nyah, nyah, nyah.
Somebody should do a study to figure out the reason for the well-known effect
of the manufacturer's appreciation of freshly cut cheese. But somebody else
can propose it to the National Academy of Sciences. Not me.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">As was evidenced last night in our household. Th=
e newest "adult" in the family decided that there wasn't enough excitement w=
atching the Grammy's, and therefore, a little Odor du jour was needed - one=20=
of the silent but deadly variety. We promptly lit the smelliest candle=
we could find just to keep our eyes from watering. He thought the sce=
nt was Wonderful.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=20=
#ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Pam,<BR>
<BR>
<U>Which</U> did he think was wonderful? Permit me to remind you of th=
e old adage, "He who smelt it, dealt it." Or in this case, was it a Sh=
e? Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah.<BR>
<BR>
Somebody should do a study to figure out the reason for the well-known effec=
t of the manufacturer's appreciation of freshly cut cheese. But somebo=
dy else can propose it to the National Academy of Sciences. Not me. <BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Subject: Winston Churchill, House of Commons, 10.5.1938 - "a bitter cup"
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I venture to think that in future the Czechoslovak State cannot be maintained
as an independent entity. You will find that in a period of time which may be
measured by years, but may be measured only by months, Czechoslovakia will be
engulfed in the Nazi regime. Perhaps they may join it in despair or in
revenge. At any rate, that story is over and told. But we cannot consider the
abandonment and ruin of Czechoslovakia in the light only of what happened
only last month. It is the most grievous consequence which we have yet
experienced of what we have done and of what we have left undone in the last
five years-five years of futile good intention, five years of eager search
for the line of least resistance, five years of uninterrupted retreat of
British power, five years of neglect of our air defences. Those are the
features which I stand here to declare and which marked an improvident
stewardship for which Great Britain and France have dearly to pay. We have
been reduced in those five years from a position of security so overwhelming
and so unchallengeable that we never cared to think about it. We have been
reduced from a position where the very word "war" was considered one which
would be used only by persons qualifying for a lunatic asylum. We have been
reduced from a position of safety and power--power to do good, power to be
generous to a beaten foe, power to make terms with Germany, power to give her
proper redress for her grievances, power to stop her arming if we chose,
power to take any step in strength or mercy or justice which we thought
right-reduced in five years from a position safe and unchallenged to where we
stand now....
What will be the position, I want to know, of France and England this year
and the year afterwards? What will be the position of that Western front of
which we are in full authority the guarantors? The German army at the present
time is more numerous than that of France, though not nearly so matured or
perfected. Next year it will grow much larger, and its maturity will be more
complete. Relieved from all anxiety in the East, and having secured resources
which will greatly diminish, if not entirely remove, the deterrent of a naval
blockade, the rulers of Nazi Germany will have a free choice open to them in
what direction they will turn their eyes. If the Nazi dictator should choose
to look westward, as he may, bitterly will France and England regret the loss
of that fine army of ancient Bohemia which Was estimated last week to require
not fewer than 30 German divisions for its destruction.
Can we blind ourselves to the great change which has taken place in the
military situation, and to the dangers we have to meet?.
This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip, the
first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year
unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise
again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time.
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<BR>
<BR>I venture to think that in future the Czechoslovak State cannot be maint=
ained as an independent entity. You will find that in a period of time which=
may be measured by years, but may be measured only by months, Czechoslovaki=
a will be engulfed in the Nazi regime. Perhaps they may join it in despair o=
r in revenge. At any rate, that story is over and told. But we cannot consid=
er the abandonment and ruin of Czechoslovakia in the light only of what happ=
ened only last month. It is the most grievous consequence which we have yet=20=
experienced of what we have done and of what we have left undone in the last=
five years-five years of futile good intention, five years of eager search=20=
for the line of least resistance, five years of uninterrupted retreat of Bri=
tish power, five years of neglect of our air defences. Those are the feature=
s which I stand here to declare and which marked an improvident stewardship=20=
for which Great Britain and France have dearly to pay. We have been reduced=20=
in those five years from a position of security so overwhelming and so uncha=
llengeable that we never cared to think about it. We have been reduced from=20=
a position where the very word "war" was considered one which would be used=20=
only by persons qualifying for a lunatic asylum. We have been reduced from a=
position of safety and power--power to do good, power to be generous to a b=
eaten foe, power to make terms with Germany, power to give her proper redres=
s for her grievances, power to stop her arming if we chose, power to take an=
y step in strength or mercy or justice which we thought right-reduced in fiv=
e years from a position safe and unchallenged to where we stand now....
<BR>
<BR>What will be the position, I want to know, of France and England this ye=
ar and the year afterwards? What will be the position of that Western front=20=
of which we are in full authority the guarantors? The German army at the pre=
sent time is more numerous than that of France, though not nearly so matured=
or perfected. Next year it will grow much larger, and its maturity will be=20=
more complete. Relieved from all anxiety in the East, and having secured res=
ources which will greatly diminish, if not entirely remove, the deterrent of=
a naval blockade, the rulers of Nazi Germany will have a free choice open t=
o them in what direction they will turn their eyes. If the Nazi dictator sho=
uld choose to look westward, as he may, bitterly will France and England reg=
ret the loss of that fine army of ancient Bohemia which Was estimated last w=
eek to require not fewer than 30 German divisions for its destruction.
<BR>Can we blind ourselves to the great change which has taken place in the=20=
military situation, and to the dangers we have to meet?.
<BR>
<BR>This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip,=
the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by y=
ear unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we aris=
e again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:43:56 EST
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Subject: Re: Winston Churchill, House of Commons,
10.5.1938 - "a bitter cup"
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What a great man.
Ralph
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Subject: Re: Winston Churchill, House of Commons,
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This is only the beginning of the reckoning.
Sharpshooter: Churchill's comments would be more reassuring at present if
Bush were ever once eloquent. The worry is that when sharp tools are handled
by dull apprentices the result is usually some nasty and unexpected cuts.
Standing up with a bull horn at ground zero is one thing, having and showing
strategic intelligence is another. It is worrisome when the rhetoric of our
leading political manager never gets beyond the style of an infomercial. ][<
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LOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Sharpshooter: Churchill's comments would be more reassuring at present if Bu=
sh were ever once eloquent. The worry is that when sharp tools are handled b=
y dull apprentices the result is usually some nasty and unexpected cuts. Sta=
nding up with a bull horn at ground zero is one thing, having and showing st=
rategic intelligence is another. It is worrisome when the rhetoric of our le=
ading political manager never gets beyond the style of an infomercial. ][<=
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:47:20 -0500
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Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
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Thanks, Ralph, I smell like that remark....
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Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
In a message dated 2/24/2003 12:51:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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As was evidenced last night in our household. The newest "adult" in the
family decided that there wasn't enough excitement watching the Grammy's,
and therefore, a little Odor du jour was needed - one of the silent but
deadly variety. We promptly lit the smelliest candle we could find just to
keep our eyes from watering. He thought the scent was Wonderful.
Pam,
Which did he think was wonderful? Permit me to remind you of the old
adage, "He who smelt it, dealt it." Or in this case, was it a She? Nyah,
nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah.
Somebody should do a study to figure out the reason for the well-known
effect of the manufacturer's appreciation of freshly cut cheese. But
somebody else can propose it to the National Academy of Sciences. Not me.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=825044722-24022003>Thanks, Ralph, I smell like that
remark....</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ralph
Walter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 24, 2003 1:48 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Must have had
bad weather this weekend!!<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Arial lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a
message dated 2/24/2003 12:51:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"
TYPE="CITE"></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" lang=0 size=2
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" FAMILY="SCRIPT">As was evidenced last
night in our household. The newest "adult" in the family decided that
there wasn't enough excitement watching the Grammy's, and therefore, a
little Odor du jour was needed - one of the silent but deadly variety.
We promptly lit the smelliest candle we could find just to keep our eyes
from watering. He thought the scent was Wonderful.</FONT><FONT
color=#000000 face=Arial lang=0 size=3 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial
lang=0 size=2 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Pam,<BR><BR><U>Which</U> did he think was wonderful?
Permit me to remind you of the old adage, "He who smelt it, dealt it."
Or in this case, was it a She? Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah.<BR><BR>Somebody
should do a study to figure out the reason for the well-known effect of the
manufacturer's appreciation of freshly cut cheese. But somebody else can
propose it to the National Academy of Sciences. Not me. <BR><BR>Ralph</FONT>
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:52:00 EST
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Subject: Re: Winston Churchill, House of Commons,
10.5.1938 - "a bitter cup"
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 5:41:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> It is worrisome when the rhetoric of our leading political manager never
> gets beyond the style of an infomercial.
Ken,
I'm sory, but I believe you are mistaken. He swept past the style and onto
the content of an infomercial. And that's with speechwriting help.
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It is worrisome when the rhetor=
ic of our leading political manager never gets beyond the style of an infome=
rcial. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" S=
IZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Ken,<BR>
<BR>
I'm sory, but I believe you are mistaken. He swept past the style and onto t=
he content of an infomercial. And that's with speechwriting help.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:55:24 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 5:47:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Thanks, Ralph, I smell like that remark....
>
Pam,
If you think my remarks stink, well, you should talk to Mrs. Ralph.
Any way you want to take that is fine.
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/24/2003 5:47:52 PM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE=
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0p=
x; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Thanks, Ralph, I smell like that remark....</FONT><FON=
T COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"=
SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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Pam,<BR>
<BR>
If you think my remarks stink, well, you should talk to Mrs. Ralph. <BR>
<BR>
Any way you want to take that is fine. <BR>
<BR>
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Subject: OK, fine,
I'm voting the straight Saddam Hussein ticket next time...
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> Churchill's comments would be more reassuring at present if Bush were ever
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: This was their finest hour ...
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AOL News: In an interview with CBS anchor Dan Rather, Saddam Hussein
challenged President Bush on Monday to an internationally televised debate
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Subject: Re: This was their finest hour ...
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 9:24:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> AOL News: In an interview with CBS anchor Dan Rather, Saddam Hussein
> challenged President Bush on Monday to an internationally televised debate
> ...
Forget the debate. But it would be interesting to see which of them has
better command of the English language.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">AOL News: In an interview=
with CBS anchor Dan Rather, Saddam Hussein challenged President Bush on Mon=
day to an internationally televised debate ...</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000=
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Forget the debate. But it would be interesting to see which of them has bett=
er command of the English language.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:51:08 -0600
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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Thank you.
-jc
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 11:37 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> =A0Trying to sound less arrogant as I actuall am, that you can't come =
up=20
> with a snappy response recomends you well.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> I have to agree that that is a problem. I don't have a snappy=20
> come-back.
>
> -jc
>
> On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:07 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> John, the problem with "evidence" is, who's collecting it. The one's=20=
> doing the irregularities are the authorities charged with=20
> investigation.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> Jim,
>
> Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and=20=
> if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be=20
> charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my=20=
> right to due process).
>
> Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,=20
> California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them=20
> politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany=20=
> of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the=20
> cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the=20=
> wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys=20=
> in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little=20=
> 200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of=20
> representatives...enough is enough!
>
> Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The=20=
> popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is=20
> going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that=20
> cause problems.
>
> -jc
>
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote=20=
> in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb=20=
> won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from=20
> the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in=20=
> many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus=20=
> all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that=20
> just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern=20=
> Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole > =
sout.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Walter
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to=20=
> my shame.
>
>
>
> What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing=20=
> Dubya.
>
> Ralph
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Thank you.
-jc
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 11:37 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>=A0Trying to sound
less arrogant as I actuall am, that you can't come up with a snappy
response recomends you well.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>jh</smaller></fontfamily>
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<bold>From:</bold> <underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>John
Callan</color></underline>
<bold>To:</bold>
=
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS@MAELSTR=
OM.STJOHNS.EDU</color></underline>
<bold>Sent:</bold> Monday, February 24, 2003 10:36 AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
I have to agree that that is a problem. I don't have a snappy
come-back.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:07 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
John, the problem with "evidence" is, who's collecting it. The one's
doing the irregularities are the authorities charged with
investigation.
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline>John Callan
</underline><bold>To:</bold>
=
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS@MAELSTR=
OM.STJOHNS.EDU
</color></underline><bold>Sent:</bold> Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37
AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline>Ralph Walter
</underline><bold>To:</bold>
<underline>[log in to unmask]
</underline><bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<underline>[log in to unmask]</underline> writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
Dubya.
Ralph
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I remain more confident in the American People than you or HL,
apparently.
-jc
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> I think most of you middle class whites do have confidence in the way
> things are playing out at the moment (of course that is if you still
> have yours- maybe talk to some ex Enron employees to get their slant
> on the current state of "r d") but if you look a little past your
> edges I think your confidence will be eroded a mite.
> Maybe not; I think the H L Menkin quote about something to the effect
> that 'no-one ever went broke overestimating the mediocrity of the
> American public' comes into play here.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> I'm just not as discouraged as you appear to be, and I'm more
> confidient in "representative democracy" than you are.
>
> -jc
>
> On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:11 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> Popular vote etc. I think that is why there is a senate with two reps
> from each state no matter how large or small the population.
> I think the main problem is are we living in a democracy or a
> capitolacracy?
> It seems to me democracy = capitol in this country and the more
> capitol the more democracy.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> Jim,
>
> Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
> if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
> charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
> right to due process).
>
> Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
> California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
> politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
> of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
> cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
> wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
> in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
> 200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
> representatives...enough is enough!
>
> Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
> popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
> going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
> cause problems.
>
> -jc
>
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
> in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
> won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
> the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
> many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
> all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
> just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
> Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole > sout.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Walter
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
> my shame.
>
>
>
> What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
> Dubya.
>
> Ralph
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I remain more confident in the American People than you or HL,
apparently.
-jc
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>I think most of you
middle class whites do have confidence in the way things are playing
out at the moment (of course that is if you still have yours- maybe
talk to some ex Enron employees to get their slant on the current
state of "r d") but if you look a little past your edges I think your
confidence will be eroded a mite.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Maybe not; I think the H L
Menkin quote about something to the effect that 'no-one ever went
broke overestimating the mediocrity of the American public' comes into
play here.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>jh</smaller></fontfamily>
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>John
Callan</color></underline>
<bold>To:</bold>
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>[log in to unmask]</color></underline>
<bold>Sent:</bold> Monday, February 24, 2003 10:39 AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
I'm just not as discouraged as you appear to be, and I'm more
confidient in "representative democracy" than you are.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:11 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
Popular vote etc. I think that is why there is a senate with two reps
from each state no matter how large or small the population.
I think the main problem is are we living in a democracy or a
capitolacracy?
It seems to me democracy = capitol in this country and the more
capitol the more democracy.
jh
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline>John Callan
</underline><bold>To:</bold>
<underline>[log in to unmask]
</underline><bold>Sent:</bold> Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline>Ralph Walter
</underline><bold>To:</bold>
<underline>[log in to unmask]
</underline><bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<underline>[log in to unmask]</underline> writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
Dubya.
Ralph
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:13:18 -0600
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Subject: Re: This was their finest hour ...
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Well, they'd both be armed with gas.
-jc
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 08:24 PM, Met History wrote:
> AOL News:=A0 In an interview with CBS anchor Dan Rather, Saddam =
Hussein=20
> challenged President Bush on Monday to an internationally televised=20
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Well, they'd both be armed with gas.
-jc
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Hi Bruce, Which hydro plants in New England? I had relatives who worked
in some of them. Ruth
At 11:35 AM -0500 2/24/03, Bruce Marcham wrote:
>ctb:
>
>My first job out of college involved working with small hydro in New England
>and the first job site I worked had a belt-driven mill that could be driven
>by either a Leffel turbine (about 6-8 feet of head) or an immense (to me)
>steam engine (it took up about a fifteen by thrity foot room, had about an
>eight foot diameter flywheel). The company I worked for provided a new
>hydro-electric turbine and made the belt system obsolete (Leffel was rude to
>the owner when he visited their plant so he decided to not replace the
>original mechanical turbine). The owner sold the shafts and belts but the
>steam engine remained (the boiler for it was about as big as the engine room
>as I recall but I think firing it up would be too dangerous).
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Subject: Re: Shuttle Break up - X files department
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On the AOL chat rooms (which, if you haven't ever sampled them, are full of
learned discourse) a controversy is underway now about whether the Columbia
was shot down by .... aliens. Reading backwards over many, many messages,
it appears to me that the controversy was started by someone who made a joke,
which was then misinterpreted.
Yr friend, They Were Expendable
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Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">On the AOL chat rooms (which, if you haven't eve=
r sampled them, are full of learned discourse) a controversy is underway now=
about whether the Columbia was shot down by .... aliens. Readin=
g backwards over many, many messages, it appears to me that the controversy=20=
was started by someone who made a joke, which was then misinterpreted.<BR>
<BR>
Yr friend, They Were Expendable</FONT></HTML>
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Subject: Re: Winston Churchill, House of Commons,
10.5.1938 - "a bitter cup"
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Subject: Re: Winston Churchill, House of Commons, 10.5.1938 - "a =
bitter cup"
What a great man.
Ralph=20
Actually W.C. was a great kid who apparently never grew up verbally. A =
few years ago, I curated an exhibit of Victorian Toy Theatres, the =
miniature paper and wood table-model theatres for which many famous =
plays were written or condensed for use by the children and the =
childlike. During Victorian times, especially in England, they were =
the popular historic equivalent of TV today, - a box on a table with =
dramatic action happening inside for the amusement of people gathered =
around watching in the living room after supper. Anyway, Winny =
Churchill was a extremely avid toy theatre aficionado as a youth, and =
when you read the play scripts published for those plays that he =
performed, you will find phrase after phrase of famous lines used in his =
public speeches during his famous political career. It is easy to =
document. I guess it was just another example of the old English adage =
that all the world is a stage. Once you read the old plays, his most =
famous speeches begin to sound trite, just simple recitations of =
exciting old melodramas.
cp in British BC
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<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
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apparently=20
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exhibit of=20
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theatres for=20
which many famous plays were written or condensed for use by the =
children and=20
the childlike. During Victorian times, especially in =
England,=20
they were the popular historic equivalent of TV today, =
- a box=20
on a table with dramatic action happening inside for the amusement of =
people=20
gathered around watching in the living room after =
supper. =20
Anyway, Winny Churchill was a extremely avid toy theatre aficionado as a =
youth,=20
and when you read the play scripts published for those plays that he =
performed,=20
you will find phrase after phrase of famous lines used in his =
public=20
speeches during his famous political career. It is easy to=20
document. I guess it was just another example of the old =
English=20
adage that all the world is a stage. Once you read the old =
plays,=20
his most famous speeches begin to sound trite, just simple recitations =
of=20
exciting old melodramas.</FONT></DIV>
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> The Cayuga Lumber mill couldn't have been run via water power as there is
no
> head available and the flow is pretty low much of the time.
I recall going to a belt and lineshaft driven wood working shop and lumber
yard in Ithaca that I thought was called Cayuga Lumber that was located
beside the bridge over the creek just below South Hill and the old GLF
office building site, next to the Greyhound Bus terminal behind the Ithaca
Hotel and across from Zinks. Was that Aurora Street? First Street
crossing State Street when you arrived downtown from East Hill. I thought
the wood shop was run by water power from the creek, a turbine beneath the
building, and it was magical. I remember the lumber yard moving down to
the other end of town and I missed the wonderful magic of the belts and
pulleys in the new place that was all clean and new and dull. The woodwork
shop at the old place beside the creek (was that Fall Creek?) had windows
all along the creekside to bathe the shop with natural light, and I remember
as a young child, looking down from them at the raging creek roaring and
boiling down the channelled creekway during a Spring flood just below the
open windows.
cp reminiscing in bc
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From: "M. P. Edison" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: This was their finest hour ...
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>
> In a message dated 2/24/2003 9:24:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> > AOL News: In an interview with CBS anchor Dan Rather, Saddam
Hussein
> > challenged President Bush on Monday to an internationally
televised debate
> > ...
>
> Forget the debate. But it would be interesting to see which of them
has
> better command of the English language.
>
> Ralph
>
>
Forget the language. Let's see 'em go 10 rounds with Tonya Harding as
referee.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
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Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
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Ralph -
More power to the woman - she has to live with your remarks more than any of
us do!
- Pam
-----Original Message-----
From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ralph Walter
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:55 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
In a message dated 2/24/2003 5:47:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Thanks, Ralph, I smell like that remark....
Pam,
If you think my remarks stink, well, you should talk to Mrs. Ralph.
Any way you want to take that is fine.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=930283913-25022003>Ralph -</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=930283913-25022003>More power to the woman - she has to live with your
remarks more than any of us do!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=930283913-25022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=930283913-25022003>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ralph
Walter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 24, 2003 5:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Must have had
bad weather this weekend!!<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Arial lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a
message dated 2/24/2003 5:47:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff
face="Comic Sans MS" lang=0 size=2 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
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<BLOCKQUOTE
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Pam,<BR><BR>If you think my remarks stink,
well, you should talk to Mrs. Ralph. <BR><BR>Any way you want to take that is
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Dear Mr. Christopher Gray,
Thanks very much for your response which vital point has been noted. Be
informed that for your co-operation, you will be entitted to 30% of the
total money involved. So get back to me immediately and give me your bank
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:15:44 -0500
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Keep ftringing them along, Chrif.
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Dear Mr. Christopher Gray,
Thanks very much for your response which vital point has been noted.
Be informed that for your co-operation, you will be entitted to 30% of
the total money involved. So get back to me immediately and give me your
bank particulars, phone and fax numbers. For easy communication.
Best Regards John Gbemiga
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Met
History<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:13 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> First Nigerian
response I have ever received...<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Arial lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Subj:
<B>Urgent Attention </B><BR>Date: 2/25/03 8:45:54 AM Eastern Standard Time
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<BR><BR>Dear Mr. Christopher Gray,<BR>Thanks very much for
your response which vital point has been noted. Be
informed that for your co-operation, you will be entitted to
30% of the total money involved. So get back to me immediately and give
me your bank particulars, phone and fax numbers. For
easy communication.<BR><BR>Best Regards John
Gbemiga<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:26:02 -0500
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Subject: Re: Winston Churchill, House of Commons,10.5.1938 - "a bitter cup
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>][Ken, </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>How can you fail to be moved and reassured by eloquence like this:</FONT></DIV>
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<P>"The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself."—George W. Bush, Grand Rapids, Mich., Jan. 29, 2003</P>
<P>Lisa</P></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 2/24/2003 12:40:42 PM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Winston Churchill, House of Commons,10.5.1938 - "a bitter cup</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face="Times New Roman" size=2 FAMILY="SERIF">This is only the beginning of the reckoning. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Sharpshooter: Churchill's comments would be more reassuring at present if Bush were ever once eloquent. The worry is that when sharp tools are handled by dull apprentices the result is usually some nasty and unexpected cuts. Standing up with a bull horn at ground zero is one thing, having and showing strategic intelligence is another. It is worrisome when the rhetoric of our leading political manager never gets beyond the style of an infomercial. ][<en</FONT> </FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:54:54 EST
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Feb. 11, 2003 -- A clean-shaven face may be the sign of a happy and healthy
man. A new study suggests that men who don't shave daily have fewer orgasms
and are more likely to suffer a stroke than stubble-free men. British
researchers followed 2,438 Welsh men between the ages of 45 and 59 over 20
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:28:18 -0500
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So much for the legend of Samson ey?
Subject: Doesn't Ralph have a beard? Or is he not of the Welsh
persuasion?
Feb. 11, 2003 -- A clean-shaven face may be the sign of a happy and
healthy man. A new study suggests that men who don't shave daily have
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men. British researchers followed 2,438 Welsh men between the ages of 45
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:30:31 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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>>We're all nuts.
Ralph<<
Kinda sounds like this whole thing is a histo-presto shell
game.
Rudy (sorry)
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>We're
all nuts.<br>
<br>
Ralph<<<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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shell game.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:08:51 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: Shuttle Break up - X files department
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a controversy is underway now about whether the Columbia was shot down by
.... aliens.
Sharpshooter: Thanks for the heads up on factional research. If it was aliens
then why did they not just swallow the pill? ][<en
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:43:05 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
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(was that Fall Creek?)
Was it Six Mile Creek?
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Was it Six Mile Creek?</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:44:05 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
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Was that Aurora Street? First Street crossing State Street when you arrived
downtown from East Hill.
Aurora sounds right... and it would be Six Mile Creek.
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Aurora sounds right... and it would be Six Mile Creek.</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:52:26 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: OK, fine,
I'm voting the straight Saddam Hussein ticket next time...
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Sharpshooter,
Hey, I'm not in favor of SH proliferating... but neither am I in favor of
promoting the dumbing down of leadership. The administration may very well be
correct in their assessment of the situation regarding Iraq, but when the
story comes out from the lips of someone who tends to border on imitating a
babbling moron I just don't think that it is either good marketing, or good
business. When I am at my worse in the afternoons and can hardly talk on the
phone without stuttering and slurring my speech I tend to stay away from
answering the phone. I don't consider that it means I have totally lost my
mind or that the fundamental reason of my actions is diminished. Then again,
I would be a fool to think that poor presentation would sell my program,
leastways not often in an optimal manner. Why Republicans should expect that
Bush would present their program well, or carry forth arguments in a manner
to convince other nations, is what I question. I think it difficult to say
that there is not more confidence in the presentations of Powell and Rumsfeld
than those of Bush. If the situation is as important as the administration
says it is then they should consider their mode of presentation. Putting a
robe on justice is not exactly what I want to see either.
][<en
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Sharpshooter,<BR>
<BR>
Hey, I'm not in favor of SH proliferating... but neither am I in favor of pr=
omoting the dumbing down of leadership. The administration may very well be=20=
correct in their assessment of the situation regarding Iraq, but when the st=
ory comes out from the lips of someone who tends to border on imitating a ba=
bbling moron I just don't think that it is either good marketing, or good bu=
siness. When I am at my worse in the afternoons and can hardly talk on the p=
hone without stuttering and slurring my speech I tend to stay away from answ=
ering the phone. I don't consider that it means I have totally lost my mind=20=
or that the fundamental reason of my actions is diminished. Then again, I wo=
uld be a fool to think that poor presentation would sell my program, leastwa=
ys not often in an optimal manner. Why Republicans should expect that Bush w=
ould present their program well, or carry forth arguments in a manner to con=
vince other nations, is what I question. I think it difficult to say that th=
ere is not more confidence in the presentations of Powell and Rumsfeld than=20=
those of Bush. If the situation is as important as the administration says i=
t is then they should consider their mode of presentation. Putting a robe on=
justice is not exactly what I want to see either.<BR>
<BR>
][<en</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:22:57 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Shuttle Break up -Catch 22
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 12:54:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> On the AOL chat rooms (which, if you haven't ever sampled them, are full of
> learned discourse) a controversy is underway now about whether the Columbia
> was shot down by .... aliens. Reading backwards over many, many messages,
> it appears to me that the controversy was started by someone who made a
> joke, which was then misinterpreted.
Those of us old enough to remember (but not too old to be unable to remember)
might keep in mind the LePage's Glue Gun in Catch 22, which was said to be
able to glue together an entire group of planes in mid-air.
Testicle Cat
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/25/2003 12:54:01 AM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">On the AOL chat rooms (which, if you haven't ever sam=
pled them, are full of learned discourse) a controversy is underway now abou=
t whether the Columbia was shot down by .... aliens. Reading bac=
kwards over many, many messages, it appears to me that the controversy was s=
tarted by someone who made a joke, which was then misinterpreted.</BLOCKQUOT=
E></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Those of us old enough=
to remember (but not too old to be unable to remember) might keep in mind t=
he LePage's Glue Gun in Catch 22, which was said to be able to glue together=
an entire group of planes in mid-air.<BR>
<BR>
Testicle Cat<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:28:34 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 2:05:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I recall going to a belt and lineshaft driven wood working shop and lumber
> yard in Ithaca that I thought was called Cayuga Lumber that was located
> beside the bridge over the creek just below South Hill and the old GLF
> office building site, next to the Greyhound Bus terminal behind the Ithaca
> Hotel and across from Zinks.
Interesting that you guys remember seeing those things in operation. I
believe that one of the Laurel & Hardy movies shot in a lumber yard (very
possibly the Hal Roach carpentry shop which would have been built in the
lateTeens at the earliest and 20's at the latest) had a belt-driven system,
but I never saw any myself in LA in the 50's, and never saw one for real
until I saw the Edison Lavatory in the 70's. I guess the point of this is
that the belts would appear to have been in fairly common use at least until
the 30's.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I recall going to a belt and li=
neshaft driven wood working shop and lumber<BR>
yard in Ithaca that I thought was called Cayuga Lumber that was located<BR>
beside the bridge over the creek just below South Hill and the old GLF<BR>
office building site, next to the Greyhound Bus terminal behind the Ithaca<B=
R>
Hotel and across from Zinks. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Interesting that you guys remember seeing those things in operation. I=
believe that one of the Laurel & Hardy movies shot in a lumber yard (ve=
ry possibly the Hal Roach carpentry shop which would have been built in the=20=
lateTeens at the earliest and 20's at the latest) had a belt-driven system,=20=
but I never saw any myself in LA in the 50's, and never saw one for real unt=
il I saw the Edison Lavatory in the 70's. I guess the point of this is=
that the belts would appear to have been in fairly common use at least unti=
l the 30's.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:33:54 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 8:40:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Ralph -
>
> More power to the woman - she has to live with your remarks more than any
> of us do!
>
> - Pam
>
Pam,
Actually Mrs. Ralph often complains about how I don't talk at home, and
spend too much time with the Pinheads. I suspect this is a common state of
affairs among husbands and wives.
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/25/2003 8:40:13 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Ralph -</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGR=
OUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"=
><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">More power to the woman=
- she has to live with your remarks more than any of us do!</FONT><FONT CO=
LOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSS=
ERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">- Pam</FONT><FONT COLO=
R=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSER=
IF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Pam,<BR>
<BR>
Actually Mrs. Ralph often complains about how I don't talk at home, an=
d spend too much time with the Pinheads. I suspect this is a common st=
ate of affairs among husbands and wives. <BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:37:52 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: First Nigerian response I have ever received...
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 9:13:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> So get back to me immediately and give me your bank particulars, phone and
> fax numbers. For easy communication.
>
Chris,
It must be legit. He didn't ask for your PIN number.
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/25/2003 9:13:46 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So get back to me immediately a=
nd give me your bank particulars, phone and fax numbers. F=
or easy communication.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Chris,<BR>
<BR>
It must be legit. He didn't ask for your PIN number.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:50:07 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Doesn't Ralph have a beard? Or is he not of the Welsh
persuasion?
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 9:55:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Feb. 11, 2003 -- A clean-shaven face may be the sign of a happy and healthy
> man. A new study suggests that men who don't shave daily have fewer orgasms
> and are more likely to suffer a stroke than stubble-free men. British
> researchers followed 2,438 Welsh men between the ages of 45 and 59 over 20
> years and found their shaving habits were significantly related to their
> health in some unexpected ways.
Well, I'm not a Welshman, and never played one on TV (although I was Captain
Keller and Clarence Day Sr on the stage), but there may be something to this.
On the other hand, are we supposed to believe that all these stubble-faced
movie and music stars aren't getting any? Or at least are getting less than
they might if they looked presentable.
Then again, maybe these teen idols were clean-shaven when they began
fornicating, and when we see them on TV, have just gotten out of bed after
marathon nookathons without having had time to shave.
It's all very depressing.
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/25/2003 9:55:47 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Feb. 11, 2003 -- A clean-shaven=
face may be the sign of a happy and healthy man. A new study suggests that=20=
men who don't shave daily have fewer orgasms and are more likely to suffer a=
stroke than stubble-free men. British researchers followed 2,438 Welsh men=20=
between the ages of 45 and 59 over 20 years and found their shaving habits w=
ere significantly related to their health in some unexpected ways.</FONT><FO=
NT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Well, I'm not a Welshman, and never played one on TV (although I was Captain=
Keller and Clarence Day Sr on the stage), but there may be something to thi=
s.<BR>
<BR>
On the other hand, are we supposed to believe that all these stubble-faced m=
ovie and music stars aren't getting any? Or at least are getting less=20=
than they might if they looked presentable.<BR>
<BR>
Then again, maybe these teen idols were clean-shaven when they began fornica=
ting, and when we see them on TV, have just gotten out of bed after marathon=
nookathons without having had time to shave.<BR>
<BR>
It's all very depressing.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:51:42 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Doesn't Ralph have a beard? Or is he not of the Welsh
persuasion?
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:30:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> So much for the legend of Samson ey?
What, are you Canadian, too? As for Samson, as I remember, it was a Woman
who betrayed him.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:30:45 AM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">So much for the legend of Samson ey?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
What, are you Canadian, too? As for Samson, as I remember, it was a Wo=
man who betrayed him. <BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Subject: Re: Low Flying War of the Worlds
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:32:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Kinda sounds like this whole thing is a histo-presto shell game.
Rudy,
THAT sounds like facadism, which I thought was long discredited.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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ing is a histo-presto shell game.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000=
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Rudy,<BR>
<BR>
THAT sounds like facadism, which I thought was long discredited.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:05:35 EST
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Subject: Re: OK, fine,
I'm voting the straight Saddam Hussein ticket next time...
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 11:54:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Why Republicans should expect that Bush would present their program well, or
> carry forth arguments in a manner to convince other nations, is what I
> question. I think he is, as Reagan was far more effectively, a front-man
> for business interests. God knows for whom the Democrats are front men. I
> think it difficult to say that there is not more confidence in the
> presentations of Powell and Rumsfeld than those of Bush. I am sorry to
> admit that Cheney comes across very well, too, or at least he used to on
> the Sunday AM talk shows before they shut him up because Bush looks so
> amateurish in comparison. Doesn't anybody else remember how much better
> Cheney and Lieberman looked in the Veep Debates than Dubya and Gore looked
> in theirs? Cheney, Rummy, and Powell really give me the impression that
> they know what they're doing, and how to do it; I just don't like what they
> do (especially Cheney, who I think of as Jabba the Hutt.) I think the
> problem is that They picked a dummy as a front man and now can't be seen to
> upstage him. If the situation is as important as the administration says it
> is then they should consider their mode of presentation. Putting a robe on
> justice is not exactly what I want to see either.
>
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Why Republicans should expect t=
hat Bush would present their program well, or carry forth arguments in a man=
ner to convince other nations, is what I question. <B>I think he is, as Reag=
an was far more effectively, a front-man for business interests. God k=
nows for whom the Democrats are front men. </B>I think it difficult to say t=
hat there is not more confidence in the presentations of Powell and Rumsfeld=
than those of Bush. <B>I am sorry to admit that Cheney comes across very we=
ll, too, or at least he used to on the Sunday AM talk shows before they shut=
him up because Bush looks so amateurish in comparison. Doesn't anybody else=
remember how much better Cheney and Lieberman looked in the Veep Debates th=
an Dubya and Gore looked in theirs?</B> <B>Cheney, Rummy, and Powell really=20=
give me the impression that they know what they're doing, and how to do it;=20=
I just don't like what they do (especially Cheney, who I think of as Jabba t=
he Hutt.) I think the problem is that They picked a dummy as a front m=
an and now can't be seen to upstage him. </B>If the situation is as importan=
t as the administration says it is then they should consider their mode of p=
resentation. Putting a robe on justice is not exactly what I want to s=
ee either.<BR>
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Subject: 10-4 on that good buddy, but remember, in the United States...
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In a message dated 2/25/03 11:54:09 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Why Republicans should expect that Bush would present their program well, or
> carry forth arguments in a manner to convince other nations, is what I
>
....we can't be too picky about our elected officials.
Sign me,
"In America, anyone can become president. That's one of the risks you take."
--Adlai Stevenson
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L.COM writes:
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ar=
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
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ct that Bush would present their program well, or carry forth arguments in a=
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<BR>....we can't be too picky about our elected officials.
<BR>
<BR>Sign me,
<BR>
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ke."
<BR> --Adlai Stevenson=20
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:57:42 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 10-4 on that good buddy, but remember, in the United States...
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....we can't be too picky about our elected officials.
LOL! Neither can we be too picky about our non-elected officials.
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:00:34 -0500
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From: Mike Devonshire <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: First Nigerian response I have ever received...
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 9:13:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Best Regards John Gbemiga
Funny,
When I told John to go fuck himself, I got no response.
V.I.
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Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
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Yes, the one school buses always lose their brakes on - ran right by
Rothchild's.
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From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ken Follett
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:44 AM
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Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
Was that Aurora Street? First Street crossing State Street when you
arrived downtown from East Hill.
Aurora sounds right... and it would be Six Mile Creek.
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ken
Follett<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:44 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
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From: Rudy Christian <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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>>Subject: I'm in the gutter
Dear fellow Pinheads:
This includes Ralph by the way. I have a potential client who is
involved with a church project. The church dates back to 1769. They have
had members of the church over the years repoint the lower sections of
the building. Man what a fuster cluck. Anyway I have recommended that
they need to seriously look at installing gutters along the building to
stop future deterioration of the mortar and also to stop raising
dampness which I think is contributing to their lower interior plaster
problems. Of course the latex paint that the congregation continues to
apply over the plaster to hide the water stains and deteriorating
plaster does not help either. What do you think would be compatible
guttering? Will copper or wood work?
Steve<<
Sorry for the slow response here. I've been too swamped for
anything but the occasional wittlessicism.
We are currently rebuilding an 1815 timber frame church
originally built in Oxford, NY. Overall the frame did pretty well, but
there was severe damage all along the eave lines and the chimney
flashing. Discussing this problem with Jan Lewandoski (who has been on
top of more churches than any self respecting BPer would try to count) I
came away convinced the implimitation of modern gutters were probably a
principle cause of the rot. The church has wide overhangs which would
tend to form ice dams. The addition of gutters very likely exacerbated
this condition and added one more dam.
My recommendation would be to consider ground level diversion first and
oversized gutters and downspouts second with snow melters along the eave
lines.
Down on, but not in, the gutter so far.
Rudy
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fellow Pinheads:<br>
<br>
This includes Ralph by the way. I have a potential client who is =
involved with
a church project. The church dates back to 1769. They have had members =
of the
church over the years repoint the lower sections of the building. Man =
what a
fuster cluck. Anyway I have recommended that they need to seriously look =
at
installing gutters along the building to stop future deterioration of =
the
mortar and also to stop raising dampness which I think is contributing =
to their
lower interior plaster problems. Of course the latex paint that the
congregation continues to apply over the plaster to hide the water =
stains and
deteriorating plaster does not help either. What do you think would be
compatible guttering? Will copper or wood work?<br>
<br>
Steve<font color=3Dnavy><span =
style=3D'color:navy'><<</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span =
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>  =
; </span>Sorry
for the slow response here. I’ve been too swamped for anything but =
the
occasional <span class=3DSpellE>wittlessicism</span>. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span =
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>  =
; </span>We
are currently rebuilding an 1815 </span></font><st1:PersonName><font =
size=3D2
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>tim</span></font></st1:PersonName><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ber
frame church originally built in =
</span></font><st1:place><st1:City><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Oxford</span></font></st1:City><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>, =
</span></font><st1:State><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>NY</span></font></st1:State></st1:place><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>. Overall
the frame did pretty well, but there was severe damage all along the =
eave lines
and the chimney flashing. Discussing this problem with Jan <span =
class=3DSpellE>Lewandoski</span>
(who has been on top of more churches than any self respecting <span
class=3DSpellE>BPer</span> would try to count) I came away convinced the
implimitation of modern gutters were probably a principle cause of the =
rot. The
church has wide overhangs which would tend to form ice dams. The =
addition of
gutters very likely exacerbated this condition and added one more dam. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My =
recommendation would
be to consider ground level diversion first and oversized gutters and =
downspouts
second with snow <span class=3DSpellE>melters</span> along the eave =
lines. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Down on, but not =
in, the
gutter so far.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Rudy<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
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Subject: Re: 10-4 on that good buddy, but remember, in the United States...
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> ....we can't be too picky about our elected officials.
>
>
>
> LOL! Neither can we be too picky about our non-elected officials.
I think we can be plenty picky. It's just not going to do any damn good.
But we still shouldn't let the bastards get us down.
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">....we can't be too picky about our elected officials=
. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
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<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
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LOL! Neither can we be too picky about our non-elected officials.</FONT><FON=
T COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"=
SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I think we can be plenty pic=
ky. It's just not going to do any damn good. But we <U>still</U>=
shouldn't let the bastards get us down.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: First Nigerian response I have ever received...
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writes:
> When I told John to go fuck himself, I got no response.
>
Obviously Sharpshooter did it better. Or maybe you misspelled his name.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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<BR>
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Maybe he's too busy following your instructions to reply just now.
-jc
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:03 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/25/2003 3:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> When I told John to go fuck himself, I got no response.
>
>
>
> Obviously Sharpshooter did it better.=A0 Or maybe you misspelled his=20=
> name.
>
> Ralph=
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Maybe he's too busy following your instructions to reply just now.
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<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/25/2003 3:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>When I told John to go fuck himself, I got no
response.
Obviously Sharpshooter did it better.=A0 Or maybe you misspelled his
name.
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:46:06 -0800
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From: Ruth Barton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Old workshops
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A friend of ours has a machine shop that used to be like that. His Dad had
it and his Granddad before that, and for all I know maybe other ancestors
before him. It is a wonderful place to visit even now that Lester uses
more modern equipment. All the old stuff is still there. When I was in
high school I used to walk by there in warm weather just to see the belts
and pulleys going round and round and to hear the hypnotic slap of the
belts. I have no idea what was going on in there just loved the sound.
Ruth
At 10:57 PM -0800 2/24/03, Cuyler Page wrote:
>> The Cayuga Lumber mill couldn't have been run via water power as there is
>no
>> head available and the flow is pretty low much of the time.
>
>I recall going to a belt and lineshaft driven wood working shop and lumber
>yard in Ithaca that I thought was called Cayuga Lumber that was located
>beside the bridge over the creek just below South Hill and the old GLF
>office building site, next to the Greyhound Bus terminal behind the Ithaca
>Hotel and across from Zinks. Was that Aurora Street? First Street
>crossing State Street when you arrived downtown from East Hill. I thought
>the wood shop was run by water power from the creek, a turbine beneath the
>building, and it was magical. I remember the lumber yard moving down to
>the other end of town and I missed the wonderful magic of the belts and
>pulleys in the new place that was all clean and new and dull. The woodwork
>shop at the old place beside the creek (was that Fall Creek?) had windows
>all along the creekside to bathe the shop with natural light, and I remember
>as a young child, looking down from them at the raging creek roaring and
>boiling down the channelled creekway during a Spring flood just below the
>open windows.
>
>cp reminiscing in bc
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:18:39 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 6:55:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I came away convinced the implimitation of modern gutters were probably a
> principle cause of the rot. The church has wide overhangs which would tend
> to form ice dams. The addition of gutters very likely exacerbated this
> condition and added one more dam.
Ah hah!!!
My only question is how ice dams would have formed without gutters in the
first place, since it seems to me that the snow and ice would just keep
running off and would never get a chance to form a dam.
I get icicles on my roof in several places, but don't think they form dams.
Or do they?
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/25/2003 6:55:23 PM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">I came away convinced the implimitation of modern gutters w=
ere probably a principle cause of the rot. The church has wide overhangs whi=
ch would tend to form ice dams. The addition of gutters very likely exacerba=
ted this condition and added one more dam. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=
=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERI=
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Ah hah!!! <BR>
<BR>
My only question is how ice dams would have formed without gutters in the fi=
rst place, since it seems to me that the snow and ice would just keep runnin=
g off and would never get a chance to form a dam. <BR>
<BR>
I get icicles on my roof in several places, but don't <U>think</U> they form=
dams. Or do they?<BR>
<BR>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Old workshops
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:11:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I have no idea what was going on in there just loved the sound.
>
Ruth,
They were probably making sawdust. A most enjoyable process.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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n in there just loved the sound.<BR>
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Ruth,<BR>
<BR>
They were probably making sawdust. A most enjoyable process.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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From: Mike Devonshire <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: First Nigerian response I have ever received...
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:12:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Maybe he's too busy following your instructions to reply just now.
>
Thanks, John. I'm just too impatient!
V.I.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Thanks, John. I'm just too impatient!<BR>
<BR>
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Mike Devonshire <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Overhang hangover
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:20:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> My only question is how ice dams would have formed without gutters in the
> first place
Ralphie-
Once the melting stuff, having been warmed by the heat escaping through the
roof (at 1.85 per gallon of oil) reaches the eave overhang, where there is no
heat coming through the roof, it refreezes and then the cute crystals begin
to wedge themselves under the unsuspecting shingles. Dam it.
V.I.
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<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">My only question is how ice dam=
s would have formed without gutters in the first place</FONT><FONT COLOR=
=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERI=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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Ralphie-<BR>
<BR>
Once the melting stuff, having been warmed by the heat escaping through the=20=
roof (at 1.85 per gallon of oil) reaches the eave overhang, where there is n=
o heat coming through the roof, it refreezes and then the cute crystals begi=
n to wedge themselves under the unsuspecting shingles. Dam it.<BR>
<BR>
V.I.</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:25:48 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: First Nigerian response I have ever received...
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:12:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Maybe he's too busy following your instructions to reply just now.
I like that idea,and it seems to me that it would fit with the "if a tree
falls in the forest..." question.
Ralph
> ->When I told John to go fuck himself, I got no response.
>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:12:06 PM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Maybe he's too busy following y=
our instructions to reply just now.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000=
00" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>I like that idea,and it s=
eems to me that it would fit with the "if a tree falls in the forest..." que=
stion. <BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZ=
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</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:28:55 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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You don't need gutters to form a damn dam. You need an upper part of
the roof to warm and create run off, and a lower cooler part, an wide
eave will do nicely on a heated building. If the gutter is causing the
dam, its probably mounted too high...like all the houses in my
neighborhood. Someday I'm gonna get ups some real ambition and go fix
mine...or not.
-jc
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:18 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/25/2003 6:55:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I came away convinced the implimitation of modern gutters were
> probably a principle cause of the rot. The church has wide overhangs
> which would tend to form ice dams. The addition of gutters very likely
> exacerbated this condition and added one more dam.
>
>
>
> Ah hah!!!
>
> My only question is how ice dams would have formed without gutters in
> the first place, since it seems to me that the snow and ice would just
> keep running off and would never get a chance to form a dam.
>
> I get icicles on my roof in several places, but don't think they form
> dams. Or do they?
>
> Ralph
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You don't need gutters to form a damn dam. You need an upper part of
the roof to warm and create run off, and a lower cooler part, an wide
eave will do nicely on a heated building. If the gutter is causing
the dam, its probably mounted too high...like all the houses in my
neighborhood. Someday I'm gonna get ups some real ambition and go fix
mine...or not.
-jc
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:18 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/25/2003 6:55:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
<color><param>0000,0000,8080</param>I came away convinced the
implimitation of modern gutters were probably a principle cause of the
rot. The church has wide overhangs which would tend to form ice dams.
The addition of gutters very likely exacerbated this condition and
added one more dam.</color></smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>Ah
hah!!!
My only question is how ice dams would have formed without gutters in
the first place, since it seems to me that the snow and ice would just
keep running off and would never get a chance to form a dam.
I get icicles on my roof in several places, but don't
<underline>think</underline> they form dams. Or do they?
Ralph</smaller></color></fontfamily></excerpt>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:32:01 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Overhang hangover
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:26:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Once the melting stuff, having been warmed by the heat escaping through the
> roof (at 1.85 per gallon of oil) reaches the eave overhang, where there is
> no heat coming through the roof, it refreezes and then the cute crystals
> begin to wedge themselves under the unsuspecting shingles. Dam it.
>
Twy,
So you're telling me that even though I removed my copper gutters (and
leaders), I'm still in Deep Shit?
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Once the melting stuff, having=20=
been warmed by the heat escaping through the roof (at 1.85 per gallon of oil=
) reaches the eave overhang, where there is no heat coming through the roof,=
it refreezes and then the cute crystals begin to wedge themselves under the=
unsuspecting shingles. Dam it.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Twy,<BR>
<BR>
So you're telling me that even though I removed my copper gutters (and leade=
rs), I'm still in Deep Shit?<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:33:54 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:29:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> You don't need gutters to form a damn dam. You need an upper part of
> the roof to warm and create run off, and a lower cooler part, an wide
> eave will do nicely on a heated building.
Oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Noooooooooooooooooo.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You don't need gutters to form=20=
a damn dam. You need an upper part of<BR>
the roof to warm and create run off, and a lower cooler part, an wide<BR>
eave will do nicely on a heated building.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Noooooooooooooooooo.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:41:52 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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Oh yes. I think I've just proven my gullibility again. I'm going to=20
slink off...stage right.
-jc
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:33 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:29:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> You don't need gutters to form a damn dam.=A0 You need an upper part =
of
> the roof to warm and create run off, and a lower cooler part, an wide
> eave will do nicely on a heated building.
>
>
>
> Oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Noooooooooooooooooo.
>
> Ralph=
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Oh yes. I think I've just proven my gullibility again. I'm going to
slink off...stage right.
-jc
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:33 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/25/2003 10:29:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>You don't need gutters to form a damn dam.=A0 You
need an upper part of
the roof to warm and create run off, and a lower cooler part, an wide
eave will do nicely on a heated building.
Oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Noooooooooooooooooo.
Ralph</excerpt>=
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:53:39 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:41:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Oh yes. I think I've just proven my gullibility again. I'm going to
> slink off...stage right.
>
> -jc
>
John,
Whaddaya mean, your gullibility? I thought it was MY turn in the barrel (or
gutter, as the case may be). Or we were both there?
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Oh yes. I think I've just=
proven my gullibility again. I'm going to <BR>
slink off...stage right.<BR>
<BR>
-jc<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
Whaddaya mean, <U>your</U> gullibility? I thought it was MY turn in th=
e barrel (or gutter, as the case may be). Or we were both there?<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:00:45 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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I thought I had been sucked into lecturing you on the wonders of=20
gutters and ice dams and then sort of remembered that you associate=20
with engineers and then figured I was being being had.
Just in case. Gutters are for protecting your foundation and lower=20
siding from roof run off, not for protecting the roof, evee or soffits.=20=
They are handy for keeping rain off your head at a door way, but=20
that's not a preservation issue...unless the person is the maintenance=20=
guy and you want to keep him healthy. Its nice to keep visiting=20
dignitaries, like architects dry too!
If your gutters are hung too close to the roof edge and with too little=20=
slope, they will collect snow and ice and hold it against your roof=20
edge and damage the roofing and the materials at the roof edge. It=20
looks like an ice dam and it has the same affect, but its not, its just=20=
someone deciding that level looks nicer than sloped...probably someone=20=
who got A's in design studio. (Fortunately they mostly work with=20
Dryvit now.)
If you truly have ice dams, you need to find a way to cool down the=20
roof so you don't get a lot of melting when the outside temperature is=20=
below freezing. Snow on the roof is a good thing. (In the=20
winter...you got winter in New Jersey?)
-jc
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:53 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:41:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Oh yes.=A0 I think I've just proven my gullibility again.=A0 I'm going =
to
> slink off...stage right.
>
> -jc
>
>
>
> John,
>
> Whaddaya mean, your gullibility?=A0 I thought it was MY turn in the=20
> barrel (or gutter, as the case may be).=A0 Or we were both there?
>
> Ralph=
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I thought I had been sucked into lecturing you on the wonders of
gutters and ice dams and then sort of remembered that you associate
with engineers and then figured I was being being had. =20
Just in case. Gutters are for protecting your foundation and lower
siding from roof run off, not for protecting the roof, evee or
soffits. They are handy for keeping rain off your head at a door way,
but that's not a preservation issue...unless the person is the
maintenance guy and you want to keep him healthy. Its nice to keep
visiting dignitaries, like architects dry too!
If your gutters are hung too close to the roof edge and with too
little slope, they will collect snow and ice and hold it against your
roof edge and damage the roofing and the materials at the roof edge.
It looks like an ice dam and it has the same affect, but its not, its
just someone deciding that level looks nicer than sloped...probably
someone who got A's in design studio. (Fortunately they mostly work
with Dryvit now.)
If you truly have ice dams, you need to find a way to cool down the
roof so you don't get a lot of melting when the outside temperature is
below freezing. Snow on the roof is a good thing. (In the
winter...you got winter in New Jersey?)
-jc
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:53 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/25/2003 10:41:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>Oh yes.=A0 I think I've just proven my
gullibility again.=A0 I'm going to
slink off...stage right.
-jc
John,
Whaddaya mean, <underline>your</underline> gullibility?=A0 I thought it
was MY turn in the barrel (or gutter, as the case may be).=A0 Or we were
both there?
Ralph</excerpt>=
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:49:39 EST
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/26/03 10:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Snow on the roof is a good thing. (In the winter...you got winter in New
> Jersey?)
>
Yeah, except when it's two feet of light stuff and then it rains, as in the
ToysRUs collapse a few days ago. I was surprised - lightweight, long span
construction, suddenly loaded by rain drenched snow - that there weren't more
collapses. Did other people foresee that, and got the snow off the roof?
[ShovelsRUs] Or does anyone have the opinion that maybe there was a little
something wrong with the design for that building? Christopher
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tandard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ar=
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Snow on the roof is a good=20=
thing. (In the winter...you got winter in New Jersey?)
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=20=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>Yeah, except when it's two feet of light stuff and then it rains, as in=20=
the ToysRUs collapse a few days ago. I was surprised - lightweight, lo=
ng span construction, suddenly loaded by rain drenched snow - that there wer=
en't more collapses. Did other people foresee that, and got the snow o=
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here was a little something wrong with the design for that building? &=
nbsp; Christopher=20
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Met History wrote
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> Yeah, except when it's two feet of light stuff and then it rains, as
> in the ToysRUs collapse a few days ago. I was surprised -
> lightweight, long span construction, suddenly loaded by rain drenched
> snow - that there weren't more collapses. Did other people foresee
> that, and got the snow off the roof? [ShovelsRUs] Or does anyone have
> the opinion that maybe there was a little something wrong with the
> design for that building? Christopher
From the LIRR you could see that many businesses were busy getting the
snow off of the roofs @ thursday past....
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<br><font face="Times New Roman"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Yeah,
except when it's two feet of light stuff and then it rains, as in the ToysRUs
collapse a few days ago. I was surprised - lightweight, long span
construction, suddenly loaded by rain drenched snow - that there weren't
more collapses. Did other people foresee that, and got the snow off
the roof? [ShovelsRUs] Or does anyone have the opinion that maybe
there was a little something wrong with the design for that building?
Christopher</font></font></font></blockquote>
From the LIRR you could see that many businesses were busy getting the
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:09:52 -0500
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:32:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I'm still in Deep Shit?
Depends on the size of your overhang, big boy.
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:31:34 -0600
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Snow on the roof is good. Snow loads greater than what the structure=20
was designed for is not so good. I understand that the amount of rain=20=
you received on top of the amount of snow you received was extreme, but=20=
was it beyond what could have been reasonably assumed?
I haven't had much to do with low sloped roofs...except to repair=20
them, replace them and increase their slope. If snow on a low slope=20
roof causes it to fail, it might be reasonable to question the wisdom=20
of designing such a roof in a region that receives snow...and outdoors.
As for removing snow from a roof. That's a dangerous undertaking. =20
Besides the potential for damaging people, you can damage the roof. =20
Lots of people do it...they even advertise special long handled rakes=20
for doing it. They also sell powerwashers to people who don't want to=20=
scrape before priming and painting. That don't make it smart.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 09:49 AM, Met History wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/03 10:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Snow on the roof is a good thing. =A0(In the winter...you got winter =
in=20
> New Jersey?)
>
>
> Yeah, except when it's two feet of light stuff and then it rains, as=20=
> in the ToysRUs collapse a few days ago. =A0I was surprised -=20
> lightweight, long span construction, suddenly loaded by rain drenched=20=
> snow - that there weren't more collapses. =A0Did other people foresee=20=
> that, and got the snow off the roof? [ShovelsRUs] =A0Or does anyone =
have=20
> the opinion that maybe there was a little something wrong with the=20
> design for that building? =A0=A0=A0Christopher
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Snow on the roof is good. Snow loads greater than what the structure
was designed for is not so good. I understand that the amount of rain
you received on top of the amount of snow you received was extreme,
but was it beyond what could have been reasonably assumed?
I haven't had much to do with low sloped roofs...except to repair
them, replace them and increase their slope. If snow on a low slope
roof causes it to fail, it might be reasonable to question the wisdom
of designing such a roof in a region that receives snow...and outdoors.
As for removing snow from a roof. That's a dangerous undertaking.=20
Besides the potential for damaging people, you can damage the roof.=20
Lots of people do it...they even advertise special long handled rakes
for doing it. They also sell powerwashers to people who don't want to
scrape before priming and painting. That don't make it smart.
-jc
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<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param><smaller>In a
message dated 2/26/03 10:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>Snow on the roof is a good thing. =A0(In the
winter...you got winter in New Jersey?)
Yeah, except when it's two feet of light stuff and then it rains, as
in the ToysRUs collapse a few days ago. =A0I was surprised -
lightweight, long span construction, suddenly loaded by rain drenched
snow - that there weren't more collapses. =A0Did other people foresee
that, and got the snow off the roof? [ShovelsRUs] =A0Or does anyone have
the opinion that maybe there was a little something wrong with the
design for that building? =A0=A0=A0Christopher
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:52:06 EST
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 10:51:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Yeah, except when it's two feet of light stuff and then it rains, as in the
> ToysRUs collapse a few days ago. The Toys R US collapse was in Maryland, as
> I remember, not in Joisey. I was surprised - lightweight, long span
> construction, suddenly loaded by rain drenched snow - that there weren't
> more collapses. Unfortunate Events Transpire, and I would agree that we
> were lucky there weren't more. Somebody's 19th/early 20th C porch roof in
> Summit apparently got overloaded and pulled away from the house: I saw it
> all distorted and then saw it no longer in place a day later. Did other
> people foresee that, and got the snow off the roof? Smart people with flat
> or near-flat roofs would do that. [ShovelsRUs] Or does anyone have the
> opinion that maybe there was a little something wrong with the design for
> that building? This is exactly why forensic investigations are necessary
> in these cases, performed by fine firms like mine or a bunch of lying
> weasels like all the rest. No doubt Mr Toys (or more precisely, their
> insuror) will claim it was a design error, although it is likely that their
> box stores are (essentially) the same everywhere. It is also possible that
> TRU has in-house archt/engrs who design this stuff, in which case the Owner
> will claim it was designed right but built improperly. The Contractor (or
> more precisely, his insuror) will no doubt claim that it was either
> designed improperly (inadequate drains, inadequate slope, inadequate
> framing, etc) , or that the Owner failed to maintain the drains in a clear
> condition and/or clean debris from the roof, or failed to make necessary
> repairs on the roof in general. It's also possible that the roof was
> overloaded by a storm heavier than that anticipated in the code. It's also
> possible that it was designed properly, that for some reason somebody
> changed the design, that the revised design was built, but that it was
> improper. All of the above is another possibility, and if there was a
> developer and/or a construction manager involved, then they will get thrown
> into the soup with everybody else who might have Done It Vertically. In
> any case, it will be the subject of much litigation. I just hope nobody was
> injured. Christopher Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Yeah, except when it's two feet of light stuff and th=
en it rains, as in the ToysRUs collapse a few days ago. <B>The Toys R US col=
lapse was in Maryland, as I remember, not in Joisey.</B> I was surprised - l=
ightweight, long span construction, suddenly loaded by rain drenched snow -=20=
that there weren't more collapses. <B>Unfortunate Events Transpire, and I wo=
uld agree that we were lucky there weren't more. Somebody's 19th/early=
20th C porch roof in Summit apparently got overloaded and pulled away from=20=
the house: I saw it all distorted and then saw it no longer in place a day l=
ater. </B> Did other people foresee that, and got the snow off the roof=
? <B>Smart people with flat or near-flat roofs would do that.</B> [ShovelsRU=
s] Or does anyone have the opinion that maybe there was a little somet=
hing wrong with the design for that building? <B>This is exactly why f=
orensic investigations are necessary in these cases, performed by fine firms=
like mine or a bunch of lying weasels like all the rest. No doubt Mr=20=
Toys (or more precisely, their insuror) will claim it was a design error, al=
though it is likely that their box stores are (essentially) the same everywh=
ere. It is also possible that TRU has in-house archt/engrs who design this s=
tuff, in which case the Owner will claim it was designed right but built imp=
roperly. The Contractor (or more precisely, his insuror) will no=
doubt claim that it was either designed improperly (inadequate drains, inad=
equate slope, inadequate framing, etc) , or that the Owner failed to maintai=
n the drains in a clear condition and/or clean debris from the roof, or fail=
ed to make necessary repairs on the roof in general. It's also possibl=
e that the roof was overloaded by a storm heavier than that anticipated in t=
he code. It's also possible that it was designed properly, that for so=
me reason somebody changed the design, that the revised design was built, bu=
t that it was improper. All of the above is another possibility, and if ther=
e was a developer and/or a construction manager involved, then they will get=
thrown into the soup with everybody else who might have Done It Vertically.=
In any case, it will be the subject of much litigation. I just hope n=
obody was injured.</B> Christopher <B>Ralph</B><BR>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:52:57 EST
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 12:10:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Depends on the size of your overhang, big boy.
>
Thanks.
Sign me,
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:10:13 EST
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Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 10:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I thought I had been sucked into lecturing you on the wonders of
> gutters and ice dams I thought I was learning something, but now don't know
> whether I was being had. and then sort of remembered that you associate
> with engineers Well, I work with 'em, but they're structural engineers and
> then figured I was being being had. Naaah. I was looking for education,
> not entertainment. For a change.
>
> Just in case. Gutters are for protecting your foundation and lower
> siding from roof run off, not for protecting the roof, evee or soffits. I'm
> not worried about that stuff. What I AM worried about is whether having
> taken the goddam 5 year-old copper gutters of my reslated house in order to
> keep the ice from knocking the gutters off (as they did one year), I'm
> getting ice damming anyway in the places where there are lots of icicles.
> They are handy for keeping rain off your head at a door way, but
> that's not a preservation issue...unless the person is the maintenance
> guy and you want to keep him healthy. Or one's spousal unit. Its nice to
> keep visiting dignitaries, like architects dry too! Always an important
> consideration, especially in the case of highly dignified architects like
> myself.
>
> If your gutters are hung too close to the roof edge and with too little
> slope, they will collect snow and ice and hold it against your roof
> edge and damage the roofing and the materials at the roof edge. This may
> have been the case in the original installation, but as I say, one year we
> had a lot of ice which nearly tore the gutters off in a few places, and
> rather than paying through the nose to get them reinstalled, I decided to
> leave them off altogether once they were removed, and they are stored under
> the front porch just in case. It looks like an ice dam and it has the same
> affect, but its not, its just someone deciding that level looks nicer than
> sloped...probably someone
> who got A's in design studio. Fornicate them also. (Fortunately they mostly
> work with Dryvit now.) Serves them right.
>
> If you truly have ice dams, you need to find a way to cool down the
> roof so you don't get a lot of melting when the outside temperature is
> below freezing. The question is whether I DO have ice dams, dammit! And
> most of my roof is insulated, including the areas where icicles form. Snow
on the roof is a good thing. (In the > winter...you got winter in New
> Jersey?)
Yes, we have goddam winter in New Jersey. Why do you think I spend every
winter kicking myself for ever having left the palm trees and beaches in LA?
I'm a goddam Native Californian, and shouldn't have to put up with this cold
and snow and sleet and icy road fecal matter, not to mention jughandle turns
and potholes--- and have no one but myself to blame.
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I thought I had been sucked int=
o lecturing you on the wonders of <BR>
gutters and ice dams <B>I thought I was learning something, but now don't kn=
ow whether I was being had. </B>and then sort of remembered that you associa=
te <BR>
with engineers <B>Well, I work with 'em, but they're structural engineers </=
B>and then figured I was being being had. <B>Naaah. I was looking for=20=
education, not entertainment. For a change.</B><BR>
<BR>
Just in case. Gutters are for protecting your foundation and lower <BR=
>
siding from roof run off, not for protecting the roof, evee or soffits. <B>I=
'm not worried about that stuff. What I AM worried about is whether having t=
aken the goddam 5 year-old copper gutters of my reslated house in order to k=
eep the ice from knocking the gutters off (as they did one year), I'm gettin=
g ice damming anyway in the places where there are lots of icicles.</B><BR>
They are handy for keeping rain off your head at a door way, but <BR>
that's not a preservation issue...unless the person is the maintenance <BR>
guy and you want to keep him healthy. <B>Or one's spousal unit.</B> Its nice=
to keep visiting dignitaries, like architects dry too! <B>Always an importa=
nt consideration, especially in the case of highly dignified architect=
s like myself.</B><BR>
<BR>
If your gutters are hung too close to the roof edge and with too little <BR>
slope, they will collect snow and ice and hold it against your roof <BR>
edge and damage the roofing and the materials at the roof edge. <B>This may=20=
have been the case in the original installation, but as I say, one year we h=
ad a lot of ice which nearly tore the gutters off in a few places, and=
rather than paying through the nose to get them reinstalled, I decided to l=
eave them off altogether once they were removed, and they are stored under t=
he front porch just in case. </B>It looks like an ice dam and it has the sam=
e affect, but its not, its just someone deciding that level looks nicer than=
sloped...probably someone <BR>
who got A's in design studio. <B>Fornicate them also.</B> (Fortunately they=20=
mostly work with Dryvit now.) <B>Serves them right.</B><BR>
<BR>
If you truly have ice dams, you need to find a way to cool down the <BR>
roof so you don't get a lot of melting when the outside temperature is <BR>
below freezing. <B>The question is whether I DO have ice dams, dammit!=
And most of my roof is insulated, including the areas where icicles form. <=
/BLOCKQUOTE></B>Snow on the roof is a good thing. (In the <BLOCKQUOTE=20=
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<B>Yes, we have goddam winter in New Jersey. Why do you think I spend=20=
every winter kicking myself for ever having left the palm trees and beaches=20=
in LA? I'm a goddam Native Californian, and shouldn't have to put up w=
ith this cold and snow and sleet and icy road fecal matter, not to mention j=
ughandle turns and potholes--- and have no one but myself to blame. <BR>
<BR>
Ralph</B><BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:24:31 -0600
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Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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Ralph,
Look upstream from the icicles and see if you can figure out where the=20=
melt is happening. That may be the general area where your insulation=20=
needs to be enhanced. Or you may need some ventilation in that area.
Put your gutters back on...in the spring. The details for installation=20=
in Graphics Standards work just fine. Copper gutters don't belong=20
under your porch. Your roof isn't Cedar is it? If it is, find another=20=
use for your fancy copper gutters...or accept a shortened life span.
Sounds like a nice house.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 12:10 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/2003 10:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I thought I had been sucked into lecturing you on the wonders of
> gutters and ice dams I thought I was learning something, but now don't=20=
> know whether I was being had. and then sort of remembered that you=20
> associate
> with engineers Well, I work with 'em, but they're structural engineers=20=
> and then figured I was being being had. Naaah.=A0 I was looking for=20
> education, not entertainment.=A0 For a change.
>
> Just in case.=A0 Gutters are for protecting your foundation and lower
> siding from roof run off, not for protecting the roof, evee or=20
> soffits. I'm not worried about that stuff. What I AM worried about is=20=
> whether having taken the goddam 5 year-old copper gutters of my=20
> reslated house in order to keep the ice from knocking the gutters off=20=
> (as they did one year), I'm getting ice damming anyway in the places=20=
> where there are lots of icicles.
> They are handy for keeping rain off your head at a door way, but
> that's not a preservation issue...unless the person is the maintenance
> guy and you want to keep him healthy. Or one's spousal unit. Its nice=20=
> to keep visiting dignitaries, like architects dry too! Always an=20
> important consideration,=A0 especially in the case of highly dignified=20=
> architects like myself.
>
> If your gutters are hung too close to the roof edge and with too =
little
> slope, they will collect snow and ice and hold it against your roof
> edge and damage the roofing and the materials at the roof edge. This=20=
> may have been the case in the original installation, but as I say, one=20=
> year we had a lot of ice which nearly tore the gutters off in a=A0 few=20=
> places, and rather than paying through the nose to get them=20
> reinstalled, I decided to leave them off altogether once they were=20
> removed, and they are stored under the front porch just in case. It=20
> looks like an ice dam and it has the same affect, but its not, its=20
> just someone deciding that level looks nicer than sloped...probably=20
> someone
> who got A's in design studio. Fornicate them also. (Fortunately they=20=
> mostly work with Dryvit now.) Serves them right.
>
> If you truly have ice dams, you need to find a way to cool down the
> roof so you don't get a lot of melting when the outside temperature is
> below freezing.=A0 The question is whether I DO have ice dams, dammit!=20=
> And most of my roof is insulated, including the areas where icicles=20
> form.
>
> Snow on the roof is a good thing.=A0 (In the
>
> winter...you got winter in New Jersey?)
>
>
> Yes, we have goddam winter in New Jersey.=A0 Why do you think I spend=20=
> every winter kicking myself for ever having left the palm trees and=20
> beaches in LA?=A0 I'm a goddam Native Californian, and shouldn't have =
to=20
> put up with this cold and snow and sleet and icy road fecal matter,=20
> not to mention jughandle turns and potholes--- and have no one but=20
> myself to blame.
>
> Ralph
>
>
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Ralph,
Look upstream from the icicles and see if you can figure out where the
melt is happening. That may be the general area where your insulation
needs to be enhanced. Or you may need some ventilation in that area.
Put your gutters back on...in the spring. The details for
installation in Graphics Standards work just fine. Copper gutters
don't belong under your porch. Your roof isn't Cedar is it? If it
is, find another use for your fancy copper gutters...or accept a
shortened life span.
Sounds like a nice house.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 12:10 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/26/2003 10:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>I thought I had been sucked into lecturing you
on the wonders of
gutters and ice dams <bold>I thought I was learning something, but now
don't know whether I was being had. </bold>and then sort of remembered
that you associate
with engineers <bold>Well, I work with 'em, but they're structural
engineers </bold>and then figured I was being being had. <bold>Naaah.=A0
I was looking for education, not entertainment.=A0 For a change.
</bold>Just in case.=A0 Gutters are for protecting your foundation and
lower
siding from roof run off, not for protecting the roof, evee or
soffits. <bold>I'm not worried about that stuff. What I AM worried
about is whether having taken the goddam 5 year-old copper gutters of
my reslated house in order to keep the ice from knocking the gutters
off (as they did one year), I'm getting ice damming anyway in the
places where there are lots of icicles.
</bold>They are handy for keeping rain off your head at a door way, but
that's not a preservation issue...unless the person is the maintenance
guy and you want to keep him healthy. <bold>Or one's spousal
unit.</bold> Its nice to keep visiting dignitaries, like architects
dry too! <bold>Always an important consideration,=A0 especially in the
case of highly dignified architects like myself.
</bold>If your gutters are hung too close to the roof edge and with
too little
slope, they will collect snow and ice and hold it against your roof
edge and damage the roofing and the materials at the roof edge.
<bold>This may have been the case in the original installation, but as
I say, one year we had a lot of ice which nearly tore the gutters off
in a=A0 few places, and rather than paying through the nose to get them
reinstalled, I decided to leave them off altogether once they were
removed, and they are stored under the front porch just in case.
</bold>It looks like an ice dam and it has the same affect, but its
not, its just someone deciding that level looks nicer than
sloped...probably someone
who got A's in design studio. <bold>Fornicate them also.</bold>
(Fortunately they mostly work with Dryvit now.) <bold>Serves them
right.
</bold>If you truly have ice dams, you need to find a way to cool down
the
roof so you don't get a lot of melting when the outside temperature is
below freezing.=A0 <bold>The question is whether I DO have ice dams,
dammit! And most of my roof is insulated, including the areas where
icicles form.</bold>
Snow on the roof is a good thing.=A0 (In the
winter...you got winter in New Jersey?)
=
<bold><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>=
<smaller>Yes,
we have goddam winter in New Jersey.=A0 Why do you think I spend every
winter kicking myself for ever having left the palm trees and beaches
in LA?=A0 I'm a goddam Native Californian, and shouldn't have to put up
with this cold and snow and sleet and icy road fecal matter, not to
mention jughandle turns and potholes--- and have no one but myself to
blame.
Ralph
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As I understand the problem the Ice dam alone isn't really causing the
problem, the problem is with capiallary action which is wicking water
back up under the shingles and attacking the roof sheathing, which is
why more and more "snow shield" a bitch sheet product is being installed
farther south than New England now.
the only ways around this w/ which I'm familiar are a "cold roof" and
electric heat trace cable...
in re gutters- and my yard 18" down is the most beautiful bankrun I've
seen- I believe them to be essentially as useless as chimney caps, I
refuse to get on a ladder anymore to clean out the 2nd story gutters and
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In a message dated 2/26/03 1:14:41 PM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> The question is whether I DO have ice dams, dammit! And most of my roof is
> insulated, including the areas where icicles form.
...the amount of hot air below. Yr Obdnt Svt, Lavoisier
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> the amount of hot air below. Yr Obdnt Svt, Lavoisier
I just knew there was some connection between you and that Lavoris guy.
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: J.A. Drew Diaz
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:48 PM
>=20
>=20
> As I understand the problem the Ice dam alone isn't really=20
> causing the problem, the problem is with capiallary action=20
> which is wicking water back up under the shingles and=20
> attacking the roof sheathing,=20
A really impressive ice dam involves more than capillary action. They
can form to be a significant number of inches tall, trapping enough
water behind them that it literally submerges the entire face of shingle
units, allowing water to freely flow into the structure. Imagine trying
to hold water in a v-shaped trough with slate shingles as one of the
faces of the trough, the ice is the other face. Can't be done. Asphalt
3-tab shingles don't do too much better.=20
And it gets really good and deep when it happens at the bottom of a
valley....
_________________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir., "Help me, Mr. Wizard! I don't=20
Raleigh Historic want to be here anymore!"
Districts Commission - Tooter the Turtle
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On 2/24/2003 @ 8:16 PM Ruth wrote:
Hi Bruce, Which hydro plants in New England? I had relatives who
worked
in some of them. Ruth
>
Ruth:
I probably didn't work on the ones your relatives worked on or even know
about. My work in that field lasted from January of '81 to about December
of '82. I worked as the US technical rep for a French firm called
Leroy-Somer, a manufacturer of electric motors (and other drive components).
I was their only employee in the US and did everything from handling sales
inquiries to putting on a wet suit to assist in installing the machines (in
the water in November and December in New England I quickly learned the
value of the whole suit, regardless of how hard it was to get on).
My first project was known as the Branch River mill in Union, NH. Pretty
small, just shy of 30 kW as I recall. 6-8 feet of head. Privately owned.
An old wood shop with steam and hydro power sources. My first experience
with putting pencil to paper, having someone else say "yes that will work,"
and having it built.
The next was at the outfall of the lake featured in the movie "On Golden
Pond" and was located just upstream from Ashland, NH (the movie was filmed
in the next town upstream--the name escapes me). About 70 kW split between
two turbines. Maybe 8-10 feet of head. Run/owned by a small-town municipal
power company. New construction tacked onto an old dam.
The third one was at Old Sturbridge Village in Sturbridge, MA. It had of
the order of 70 kW split between two turbines. Low head, at most about six
feet, but decent flow (four foot diameter pipes). I understand from a water
resources friend that there have been some issues with the changes in water
flow affecting the fishing in the river or perhaps more accurately those
fishing in the river due to the sudden changes in flow and current (I forget
the name of the river). The museum there really needed the electricity as
they had all-electric heat in their "modern" building(the way the power
company sets up these deals they may not have been able to use it directly
in their museum after all but if they didn't use it someone else could've
come in and taken the water rights away from them). Another example of new
construction tacked on to an old dam.
My fourth project was way up in Milo, ME (actually only about half way up
the state but it seemed like a real long ways from Boston). It was three
250 kW machines running at about 10-15 feet of head. It was actually sold
by the "inventor" of the technology that my firm was using (he used their
induction motors as generators, some applications had planetary gear boxes
made by our firm, and added some turbine blades of his design--pretty low
tech), a sort of an in-your-face move to show us that it was easier to sell
the stuff than we were making it out to be (I guess he was complaining that
we weren't earning him the royalties he should've been getting). We just
got involved with the installation. I don't know if I ever saw that site in
operation as I left the firm as it was being completed. My main role on
that job was as chaffeur for the French technicians brought in to do some
welding and controls work (and stand around freezing in the middle of the
winter in the middle of Maine).
I wish I could've been working in the "golden age" of hydro in New England
back around the turn of the century up until about the 40's (powering local
communities and local inter-urban trams). There was bit of a gold rush in
the late 70's as people got tax incentives to bring the old dams back on
line but I got there a bit too late to get in with the big little players
(small companies that bought up the rights to the old dams and refurbished
the old equipment or installed new). At some point in the early 80's the
tax incentives went away and so did the investment money.
One odd part of the business was that if you owned a dam and didn't file the
permits to lock it up (indicating you had some intent to develop its
potential) someone could come in and take control away from you. It seemed
very un-American but I guess the idea was if you aren't going to use the
resource someone else should.
Another unfortunate aspect was the need to perform costly dam safety studies
if there was a potential for a dam blowout to flood people out downstream.
This hurt people who had a marginal project and couldn't afford a full-blown
engineering study (but a dam blowout could be catastrophic and have a
serious impact on whole communities downstream).
One of the basic rules of the game is the higher the head (the distance the
water falls) the more power you can get from a given amount of water. This
means that at a high head site you can still get a decent amount of power
(say 30 kW) with smaller pipes, smaller equipment, and therefore less money
invested. Mother Earth/home-made technology instead of the expensive
industrial technology my firm used to get the same amount of power.
Hydro is lots of fun farther up north where the rivers are smaller. Once
you get farther south in NH and VT the main rivers get so big you're into
the realm of big engineering costs, big business, and the power companies.
The power involved gets a little scary too (water, electric, and
interpersonal), kinda like the difference between working off an extension
ladder on your house or barn versus these guys talking about hanging from
swing stages on the Pan Am building. Sand Lot versus The Major Leagues.
Bruce
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And it gets really good and deep when it happens at the bottom of a
valley....
My mother has this valley problem at the corner of the unheated garage in an
area where you have to walk next to the massive icicle to get into the
house... sometimes 6' in length and massive like Ralph's leg. We have tried
all sorts of things over the years and I'm hoping the last one will be her
selling the house during the summer.
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During the big snow I saw a report that the roof on the B & O museum round
house in Baltimore had collapsed. There was a shot with a large area of roof
missing. Any word on that? They have a hell of a nice collection of early
American locomotives in there and I'm curious what effect the subsequent rain
has had, let alone the damage to their displays from falling cut timbers and
iron connections.
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especially since that damned icicle builds itself around the wire from the
pole to the house. she's lucky to still have power!! Also of a positive
note for selling in the summer is that there's a fresh coat of paint on the
place. Think we should just put a sign out front this spring for her?
- Pam
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My mother has this valley problem at the corner of the unheated garage in
an area where you have to walk next to the massive icicle to get into the
house... sometimes 6' in length and massive like Ralph's leg. We have tried
all sorts of things over the years and I'm hoping the last one will be her
selling the house during the summer.
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class=601154721-26022003>especially since that damned icicle builds itself
around the wire from the pole to the house. she's lucky to still have
power!! Also of a positive note for selling in the summer is that there's
a fresh coat of paint on the place. Think we should just put a sign out
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face=Arial lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">My mother has this valley problem
at the corner of the unheated garage in an area where you have to walk next to
the massive icicle to get into the house... sometimes 6' in length and massive
like Ralph's leg. We have tried all sorts of things over the years and I'm
hoping the last one will be her selling the house during the
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Our shop is spit with office on one side and uninsulated warehouse on the
other. The office area had 5' of snow drifted and the uninsulated side was
clear of snow. The heat on the unisulated side, kept at minimum above
freezing, melted the snow.
A few years ago I was given a pitch by a fellow that was representing a laser
warning system so that warehouse managers would be able to tell if their
roofs were deflecting from snow load. I was told they were having a problem
selling the devices because property owners did NOT want to know what was
going on with their roofs because then they would not be able to collect on
insurance if there was a collapse. If they knew their roofs were deflecting,
or even suspected that their roofs would deflect and/or collapse (why would
you install a monitoring device unless you suspected a problem?) then they
would be expected to have paid out of their own pockets to make the roofs
right.
Then there are those owners who never think to clean their drains on a flat
roof with parapets. It is no hyperbole that I have been on roofs with ponds
with 2' of standing water. It is a nervous situation when you see them, and
worse when you have to walk around on them. In the one case the roof had
settled in at the drain as the rear wall of the building was moving out at
it's base. On the same building, concrete columns with waffle slab for the
roof, I poked my head up into a suspended ceiling and discovered one of the
columns had been cut clear through and had heavy-duty floor jacks in place.
They were sitting inside the cut, as clean as could be, to hold the top
portion of the column and the roof up. It was in an office area of the
warehouse. It was an odd thing to see. I've always been curious what it takes
for a structural engineer to come up with such a fix.
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Our shop is spit with office on one side and uninsulat=
ed warehouse on the other. The office area had 5' of snow drifted and the un=
insulated side was clear of snow. The heat on the unisulated side, kept at m=
inimum above freezing, melted the snow.<BR>
<BR>
A few years ago I was given a pitch by a fellow that was representing a lase=
r warning system so that warehouse managers would be able to tell if their r=
oofs were deflecting from snow load. I was told they were having a problem s=
elling the devices because property owners did NOT want to know what was goi=
ng on with their roofs because then they would not be able to collect on ins=
urance if there was a collapse. If they knew their roofs were deflecting, or=
even suspected that their roofs would deflect and/or collapse (why would yo=
u install a monitoring device unless you suspected a problem?) then they wou=
ld be expected to have paid out of their own pockets to make the roofs right=
.<BR>
<BR>
Then there are those owners who never think to clean their drains on a flat=20=
roof with parapets. It is no hyperbole that I have been on roofs with ponds=20=
with 2' of standing water. It is a nervous situation when you see them, and=20=
worse when you have to walk around on them. In the one case the roof had set=
tled in at the drain as the rear wall of the building was moving out at it's=
base. On the same building, concrete columns with waffle slab for the roof,=
I poked my head up into a suspended ceiling and discovered one of the colum=
ns had been cut clear through and had heavy-duty floor jacks in place. They=20=
were sitting inside the cut, as clean as could be, to hold the top portion o=
f the column and the roof up. It was in an office area of the warehouse. It=20=
was an odd thing to see. I've always been curious what it takes for a struct=
ural engineer to come up with such a fix.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:55:31 -0500
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I saw some reports on line a few days ago, so my memory is not clear.
Basically, a number of things were damaged but the most important items
where in other buildings and not damaged. How's that for detail!
Eric Hammarberg
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Subject: B & O Roof Collapse
During the big snow I saw a report that the roof on the B & O museum round
house in Baltimore had collapsed. There was a shot with a large area of roof
missing. Any word on that? They have a hell of a nice collection of early
American locomotives in there and I'm curious what effect the subsequent
rain has had, let alone the damage to their displays from falling cut
timbers and iron connections.
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:01:11 -0600
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The water makes its way through the roofing material and sheathing and
down through the walls. If it manages to freeze inside the wall, or
otherwise pass unnoticed to finding its level, you can develop rot,
mold, varmits, all kinds of challenges. Usually the failure of plaster
or other interior finishes is the observed symptom. Vapor barriers
complicate the whole situation, either by hiding the symptoms, or
creating complications through condensation and progressively ruined
insulation.
Ice and water shield, helps, of that I have no doubt. But I choose
avoiding ice dams by keeping the roof surface cold and not allowing
snow to melt when the temperature is below freezing, and getting water
off the roof fast and routed to an appropriate place far away from
foundation walls and foot paths. (Good thing you guys can't see the
icicle on my roof, nor have the opportunity to loose your footing on
the footpath where the gutter dumps its charge.)
HOWEVER, some historic buildings just naturally have ice dams. Kind of
a design feature. The challenge is to understand how the building has
managed to survive recurrent ice dams, and not screw that up with the
introduction of modern materials and systems. Yes, I have advocated
preserving bad design details, when they are necessary to understand
the building, its construction, its constructors, or to antagonize
someone with an opposing opinion.
But Ralph's house is not a museum...yet. And Ralph should do something
that will make his house easier to maintain when it is a museum and his
repair is a significant feature, worthy of preservation.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 03:19 PM, Becker, Dan wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J.A. Drew Diaz
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:48 PM
>>
>>
>> As I understand the problem the Ice dam alone isn't really
>> causing the problem, the problem is with capiallary action
>> which is wicking water back up under the shingles and
>> attacking the roof sheathing,
>
> A really impressive ice dam involves more than capillary action. They
> can form to be a significant number of inches tall, trapping enough
> water behind them that it literally submerges the entire face of
> shingle
> units, allowing water to freely flow into the structure. Imagine trying
> to hold water in a v-shaped trough with slate shingles as one of the
> faces of the trough, the ice is the other face. Can't be done. Asphalt
> 3-tab shingles don't do too much better.
>
> And it gets really good and deep when it happens at the bottom of a
> valley....
>
> _________________________________________________________
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 4:33:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> My mother has this valley problem at the corner of the unheated garage in an area where you have to walk next to the massive icicle to get into the house... sometimes 6' in length and massive like Ralph's leg. We have tried all sorts of things over the years and I'm hoping the last one will be her
> selling the house during the summer.
Ken-
At the Arctic house with which you are familiar, I recently had an icecicle which extended from the SW corner eave to the ground, eventually approximately
20" in diameter, which encased the rear quarter of the "upstate car", so that it could not be moved. Only judicious use of an axe and several other implements of war freed the car and allowed access to the nearby cellar hatch. I managed to take a nice piece of beaded 1790's corner trim out with the axe which will require four hours of dutchman time in the Spring.
The real solution to ice damming and related freeze conditions is, I feel, to move to Savannah or Charleston(ok, maybe Beaufort, but they never pronounce it correctly).
V.I.
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I managed to take a nice piece of beaded 1790's corner trim out with the axe
VI: I see you are working on the beaded board again. ;-) ][<en
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:29:13 -0600
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When you get your house to Charleston, the local termites will throw a
party to celebrate the arrival.
Hmm tastey Yankee building materials all softened up by ice dams!
Kinda like an iced-lumber julep.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 04:17 PM, Mike Devonshire wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/2003 4:33:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>> My mother has this valley problem at the corner of the unheated
>> garage in an area where you have to walk next to the massive icicle
>> to get into the house... sometimes 6' in length and massive like
>> Ralph's leg. We have tried all sorts of things over the years and I'm
>> hoping the last one will be her
>> selling the house during the summer.
>
> Ken-
>
> At the Arctic house with which you are familiar, I recently had an
> icecicle which extended from the SW corner eave to the ground,
> eventually approximately
> 20" in diameter, which encased the rear quarter of the "upstate car",
> so that it could not be moved. Only judicious use of an axe and
> several other implements of war freed the car and allowed access to
> the nearby cellar hatch. I managed to take a nice piece of beaded
> 1790's corner trim out with the axe which will require four hours of
> dutchman time in the Spring.
>
> The real solution to ice damming and related freeze conditions is, I
> feel, to move to Savannah or Charleston(ok, maybe Beaufort, but they
> never pronounce it correctly).
>
> V.I.
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 4:20:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> A really impressive ice dam involves more than capillary action. They
> can form to be a significant number of inches tall, trapping enough
> water behind them that it literally submerges the entire face of shingle
> units, allowing water to freely flow into the structure. Imagine trying
> to hold water in a v-shaped trough with slate shingles Yeah, well,
guess who has slate. as one of the > faces of the trough, the ice is
the other face. Can't be done. Asphalt 3-tab shingles don't do too much
better. >
> And it gets really good and deep when it happens at the bottom of a
> valley.... And guess where it tends to form on my slate roof. The
scary thing is, there's no sign of penetration to the interior.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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olves more than capillary action. They<BR>
can form to be a significant number of inches tall, trapping enough<BR>
water behind them that it literally submerges the entire face of shingle<BR>
units, allowing water to freely flow into the structure. Imagine trying<BR>
to hold water in a v-shaped trough with slate shingles <B>Yeah, well, </BLOC=
KQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" S=
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as one of the <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px soli=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
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face. Can't be done. Asphalt 3-tab shingles don't do too much better. <BLOC=
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is, there's no sign of penetration to the interior.<BR>
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> sometimes 6' in length and massive like Ralph's leg.
Clearly a very attractive icicle as well as large.
Ralph
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Clearly a very attractive icicle as well as large.<BR>
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gutter....
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Does cold weather cause a cold? Although many people are convinced that a
cold results from exposure to cold weather, or from getting chilled or
overheated, NIAID grantees have found that these conditions have little or no
effect on the development or severity of a cold. Nor is susceptibility
apparently related to factors such as exercise, diet, or enlarged tonsils or
adenoids. On the other hand, research suggests that psychological stress,
allergic disorders affecting the nasal passages or pharynx (throat), and
menstrual cycles may have an impact on a person's susceptibility to colds
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ld results from exposure to cold weather, or from getting chilled or overhea=
ted, NIAID grantees have found that these conditions have little or no effec=
t on the development or severity of a cold. Nor is susceptibility apparently=
related to factors such as exercise, diet, or enlarged tonsils or adenoids.=
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sorders affecting the nasal passages or pharynx (throat), and menstrual cycl=
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:10:57 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: That's baloney about the architect getting sick under the
leaky gutter....
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 6:07:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> menstrual cycles may have an impact on a person's susceptibility to colds
I rest my case.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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pact on a person's susceptibility to colds </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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I rest my case.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:12:53 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 4:56:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> I've always been curious what it takes for a structural engineer to come up
> with such a fix.
>
Probably no engineer, but a frugal client.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I've always been curious what i=
t takes for a structural engineer to come up with such a fix.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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Probably no engineer, but a frugal client.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:14:10 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 5:02:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> But Ralph's house is not a museum...yet. And Ralph should do something
> that will make his house easier to maintain when it is a museum and his
> repair is a significant feature, worthy of preservation.
>
I quite agree. Now tell me what the hell to do.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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um...yet. And Ralph should do something<BR>
that will make his house easier to maintain when it is a museum and his<BR>
repair is a significant feature, worthy of preservation.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
I quite agree. Now tell me what the hell to do.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:15:45 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: That's baloney about the architect getting sick under the
leaky gutter....
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And lots of fluids Ralph.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:10 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/2003 6:07:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> menstrual cycles may have an impact on a person's susceptibility to
> colds
>
>
>
> I rest my case.
>
> Ralph
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And lots of fluids Ralph.
-jc
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<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/26/2003 6:07:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>menstrual cycles may have an impact on a
person's susceptibility to colds
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>I
rest my case.
Ralph</smaller></color></fontfamily></excerpt>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:17:11 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 5:17:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> The real solution to ice damming and related freeze conditions is, I feel,
> to move to Savannah or Charleston(ok, maybe Beaufort, but they never
> pronounce it correctly).
>
Twy,
So you get the Edison Lavatory to spring for moving Ken's mom's garage to
Beaufort, SC. And since my house doesn't have a garage, although it had a
barn until about 1950, I could use Ken's mom's garage. But I don't want to
live in SC.
Guess all the problems aren't solved after all.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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g and related freeze conditions is, I feel, to move to Savannah or Charlesto=
n(ok, maybe Beaufort, but they never pronounce it correctly).<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
Twy,<BR>
<BR>
So <U>you</U> get the Edison Lavatory to spring for moving Ken's mom's garag=
e to Beaufort, SC. And since my house doesn't have a garage, although=20=
it had a barn until about 1950, I could use Ken's mom's garage. But I=20=
don't want to live in SC.<BR>
<BR>
Guess all the problems aren't solved after all.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: That's baloney about the architect getting sick under the
leaky gutter....
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 6:15:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> And lots of fluids Ralph.
>
> -jc
>
John,
Incoming or outgoing?
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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<BR>
-jc<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:42:53 -0600
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Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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Locate where the snow melts.
Inspect for: adequate insulation and adequate ventilation and that the=20=
underside is cool, preferably the same temperature as the outside air.
If the insulation is disturbed, redistribute.
If there is limited outside ventilation, increase it...check your eave=20=
vents and/or gable vents, make sure they aren't painted closed, or=20
clogged with insulation or other debris.
While you are there, examine the undeside of the sheathing and=20
structure for water damage. A few stains is no big deal, but mold or=20
rot would indicate a regular leak and you need to address it.
Look for indications of past leaks. Replace insulation that has been=20
leaked on. It may only loose its efficacy when it is wet, but if you=20
have enough water to get your insulation wet, you are gonna be up there=20=
working for awhile anyway. It'll be easier to work if you remove the=20
insulation in the area you are working on.
You might want to get yourself a protometer...(I spell it wrong to=20
entertain Bryan). Use it to examine the structure of the roof and the=20=
walls. Temperature needs to be above freezing for this. Follow the=20
water.
Find the problem. Define the problem. Solve the problem. Hey, you=20
could declare it "Not a Problem". That's the easiest solution.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:14 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/2003 5:02:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> But Ralph's house is not a museum...yet.=A0 And Ralph should do =
something
> that will make his house easier to maintain when it is a museum and =
his
> repair is a significant feature, worthy of preservation.
>
>
>
> I quite agree.=A0 Now tell me what the hell to do.
>
> Ralph=
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Locate where the snow melts.
Inspect for: adequate insulation and adequate ventilation and that
the underside is cool, preferably the same temperature as the outside
air. =20
If the insulation is disturbed, redistribute.
If there is limited outside ventilation, increase it...check your eave
vents and/or gable vents, make sure they aren't painted closed, or
clogged with insulation or other debris.
While you are there, examine the undeside of the sheathing and
structure for water damage. A few stains is no big deal, but mold or
rot would indicate a regular leak and you need to address it.
Look for indications of past leaks. Replace insulation that has been
leaked on. It may only loose its efficacy when it is wet, but if you
have enough water to get your insulation wet, you are gonna be up
there working for awhile anyway. It'll be easier to work if you
remove the insulation in the area you are working on.
You might want to get yourself a protometer...(I spell it wrong to
entertain Bryan). Use it to examine the structure of the roof and the
walls. Temperature needs to be above freezing for this. Follow the
water.
Find the problem. Define the problem. Solve the problem. Hey, you
could declare it "Not a Problem". That's the easiest solution.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:14 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/26/2003 5:02:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>But Ralph's house is not a museum...yet.=A0 And
Ralph should do something
that will make his house easier to maintain when it is a museum and his
repair is a significant feature, worthy of preservation.
I quite agree.=A0 Now tell me what the hell to do.
Ralph</excerpt>=
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:44:25 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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<[log in to unmask]>
From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: That's baloney about the architect getting sick under the
leaky gutter....
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Yuck!
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:18 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/2003 6:15:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> And lots of fluids Ralph.
>
> -jc
>
>
> John,
>
> Incoming or outgoing?
>
> Ralph
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Yuck!
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:18 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/26/2003 6:15:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>And lots of fluids Ralph.
-jc
John,
Incoming or outgoing?
Ralph</excerpt>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:01:00 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
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<[log in to unmask]>
From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: That's baloney about the architect getting sick under the
leaky gutter....
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Does cold weather cause a cold?
What causes bronchitis? I've been getting it every year. ][<en
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ONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=
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What causes bronchitis? I've been getting it every year. ][<en</FONT></HT=
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:03:20 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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for a structural engineer to come up with such a fix.
Probably no engineer, but a frugal client.
I meant to say "amateur" engineer.
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BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE>Probably no engineer, but a frugal client.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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>>Ken asks:
What causes bronchitis? <<
Living in the Bronx?
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:56:41 -0500
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That's what my brother and I finally had to do for our childhood
homeplace when it was time for Dad to simplify his
life...role-reversal...we quit asking him, and told him what to do.
Everything got much easier after that.
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From: Pam Stevenson
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:49 PM
especially since that damned icicle builds itself around the wire from
the pole to the house. she's lucky to still have power!! Also of a
positive note for selling in the summer is that there's a fresh coat of
paint on the place. Think we should just put a sign out front this
spring for her?
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My mother has this valley problem at the corner of the unheated garage
in an area where you have to walk next to the massive icicle to get into
the house... sometimes 6' in length and massive like Ralph's leg. We
have tried all sorts of things over the years and I'm hoping the last
one will be her selling the house during the summer.
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:01:21 -0500
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph Walter
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> scary thing is, there's no sign of penetration to the interior.
Not yet...
What John says: this is not one of those indecisive things to decide to
do nothing....
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:24:11 -0500
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> under the leaky gutter....
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> Does cold weather cause a cold?=20
Regardless of cause, this is Dr. Cold's remedy (there really is such a
guy, who has studied the mechanisms of cold virii for decades as his
research specialty; still no cure, but he promotes this method to reduce
the length and severity of symptoms):
At the first sign/suspicion of an impending cold, take the following two
over-the-counter medications in combination:
Chlorpheniramine time-release antihistamine
Ibuprofen
Something about the way the two interact (he hasn't quite figured out
why it works, just that it does) disrupts the reproduction/spreading
mechanism of the cold virii (there are numerous variations) and thus
dampens your body's immunological response to their invasion. It is very
important to get the specific antihistamine Chlorpheniramine.
Strange but true. I've done it ever since I heard about it, and it
works. My colds are very mild, and last two days at most if I catch it
early. I will say though that I'm generally not prone to colds; your
mileage may vary.
http://www.pulmonaryreviews.com/oct02/pr_oct02_cold.html
http://www.athleticnutrition.com/Article159.shtml
http://hsc.virginia.edu/newstips/Archives00/cold-rx.html
The third item mentioned in his studies, intranasal interferon, does not
yet have FDA approval. In one report I read which I can't find now, Dr.
Cold recommends just going with the two I mention; the partial therapy
was shown still to be a significant improvement over the placebo control
group.
Just thought you would like to know in case you catch a cold from ice
dam water dripping on your head, or a water-saturated snow-covered roof
collapse puts a spot of cold slush down your collar (obligatory
building-related content).
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Dan Becker, Exec. Dir. "Dagnabit Muskie, who dropped
Raleigh Historic the cotton pickin' roof on
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:34:00 -0800
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No, no, no, I know all about making sawdust, we have a sawmill here on the
farm. This is a MACHINE shop, they do funky things with hunks of METAL.
It looks like great fun but they measure things in thousandths of an inch
and I don't get any finer than an eighth so would never do. Ruth
At 10:20 PM -0500 2/25/03, Ralph Walter wrote:
In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:11:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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I have no idea what was going on in there just loved the sound.
Ruth,
They were probably making sawdust. A most enjoyable process.
Ralph
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Thanx, Dan: First and second aid, and maintaining our health, is always histo
presto relevant. Next time I think I am working up a cold I'll run to the BP
archive. ][<en
PS. As Sharpshooter got his snow storm I'm curious when we will get our
report on his shouting down the urban canyon of snow? Any word from COD on
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:43:12 -0500
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Bruce and Ruth I worked on the Site at old Sturbridge village in the early
80 and set up two hydro sites in Barre MA and one in Webster MA Filled
FERP's on about 50 other sites then the bottom fell out. The sites were a
lot of fun, but big money took control and most of the small operators were
forced out (Me Included)
Ken
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Subject: Re: hydro in New England
On 2/24/2003 @ 8:16 PM Ruth wrote:
Hi Bruce, Which hydro plants in New England? I had relatives who
worked
in some of them. Ruth
>
Ruth:
I probably didn't work on the ones your relatives worked on or even know
about. My work in that field lasted from January of '81 to about December
of '82. I worked as the US technical rep for a French firm called
Leroy-Somer, a manufacturer of electric motors (and other drive components).
I was their only employee in the US and did everything from handling sales
inquiries to putting on a wet suit to assist in installing the machines (in
the water in November and December in New England I quickly learned the
value of the whole suit, regardless of how hard it was to get on).
My first project was known as the Branch River mill in Union, NH. Pretty
small, just shy of 30 kW as I recall. 6-8 feet of head. Privately owned.
An old wood shop with steam and hydro power sources. My first experience
with putting pencil to paper, having someone else say "yes that will work,"
and having it built.
The next was at the outfall of the lake featured in the movie "On Golden
Pond" and was located just upstream from Ashland, NH (the movie was filmed
in the next town upstream--the name escapes me). About 70 kW split between
two turbines. Maybe 8-10 feet of head. Run/owned by a small-town municipal
power company. New construction tacked onto an old dam.
The third one was at Old Sturbridge Village in Sturbridge, MA. It had of
the order of 70 kW split between two turbines. Low head, at most about six
feet, but decent flow (four foot diameter pipes). I understand from a water
resources friend that there have been some issues with the changes in water
flow affecting the fishing in the river or perhaps more accurately those
fishing in the river due to the sudden changes in flow and current (I forget
the name of the river). The museum there really needed the electricity as
they had all-electric heat in their "modern" building(the way the power
company sets up these deals they may not have been able to use it directly
in their museum after all but if they didn't use it someone else could've
come in and taken the water rights away from them). Another example of new
construction tacked on to an old dam.
My fourth project was way up in Milo, ME (actually only about half way up
the state but it seemed like a real long ways from Boston). It was three
250 kW machines running at about 10-15 feet of head. It was actually sold
by the "inventor" of the technology that my firm was using (he used their
induction motors as generators, some applications had planetary gear boxes
made by our firm, and added some turbine blades of his design--pretty low
tech), a sort of an in-your-face move to show us that it was easier to sell
the stuff than we were making it out to be (I guess he was complaining that
we weren't earning him the royalties he should've been getting). We just
got involved with the installation. I don't know if I ever saw that site in
operation as I left the firm as it was being completed. My main role on
that job was as chaffeur for the French technicians brought in to do some
welding and controls work (and stand around freezing in the middle of the
winter in the middle of Maine).
I wish I could've been working in the "golden age" of hydro in New England
back around the turn of the century up until about the 40's (powering local
communities and local inter-urban trams). There was bit of a gold rush in
the late 70's as people got tax incentives to bring the old dams back on
line but I got there a bit too late to get in with the big little players
(small companies that bought up the rights to the old dams and refurbished
the old equipment or installed new). At some point in the early 80's the
tax incentives went away and so did the investment money.
One odd part of the business was that if you owned a dam and didn't file the
permits to lock it up (indicating you had some intent to develop its
potential) someone could come in and take control away from you. It seemed
very un-American but I guess the idea was if you aren't going to use the
resource someone else should.
Another unfortunate aspect was the need to perform costly dam safety studies
if there was a potential for a dam blowout to flood people out downstream.
This hurt people who had a marginal project and couldn't afford a full-blown
engineering study (but a dam blowout could be catastrophic and have a
serious impact on whole communities downstream).
One of the basic rules of the game is the higher the head (the distance the
water falls) the more power you can get from a given amount of water. This
means that at a high head site you can still get a decent amount of power
(say 30 kW) with smaller pipes, smaller equipment, and therefore less money
invested. Mother Earth/home-made technology instead of the expensive
industrial technology my firm used to get the same amount of power.
Hydro is lots of fun farther up north where the rivers are smaller. Once
you get farther south in NH and VT the main rivers get so big you're into
the realm of big engineering costs, big business, and the power companies.
The power involved gets a little scary too (water, electric, and
interpersonal), kinda like the difference between working off an extension
ladder on your house or barn versus these guys talking about hanging from
swing stages on the Pan Am building. Sand Lot versus The Major Leagues.
Bruce
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That's what my brother and I finally had to do for our childhood homeplace
when it was time for Dad to simplify his life...role-reversal...we quit
asking him, and told him what to do. Everything got much easier after that.
I don't think we are quite at that point yet... we usually wait until the
resident falls down and gets stuck behind the toilet for a day before we take
action. Scots are an independent lot, you know. You don't want to be bossing
them around too early. And I'm not too sure about the French/Seneca, either,
my semi-paternal grandfather was working on his car and the brake let loose
and he was pinned under it for an entire day out in the yard front of their
house, with my grandmother inside the house listening to Texaco opera or
something on the radio like that. He died from dehydration & exposure, not
from the squawking music.
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I don't think we are quite at that point yet... we usually wait until the re=
sident falls down and gets stuck behind the toilet for a day before we take=20=
action. Scots are an independent lot, you know. You don't want to be bossing=
them around too early. And I'm not too sure about the French/Seneca, either=
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e and he was pinned under it for an entire day out in the yard front of thei=
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:19:12 -0600
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It took my dad two days of sleeping and being unable to walk before he
thought that he might need some assistance. He appears to think "911"
is for people who are really in trouble, not him. Ever since Mom
caught up with the mother ship, he's had the house to himself, its
quiet. He likes that. Mom's cats seem less neurotic now too. Until
this illness I would call once a week...or he would. My sister lives
nearby and is attentive to the point where it makes me and dad
uncomfortable. She was all concerned because his doctor made a comment
about his prostate and I informed her that he would prefer that she
didn't even know he had one. But the time is coming to get him out of
that house. I've always hated that house. I told my mom that if I
inherited half the house I would take a chain saw to my half and give
it what it deserves...assuming the termites leave me anything worth
destroying. But the time is coming for him to move out. Meanwhile he
has a girlfriend...its all going to be very complicated...isn't it?
Makes me look down the road a piece and see my daughters walking in the
shoes of their mother and aunts, same shoes worn by their
grandmothers...sort of. I hope my son survives his misadventures in my
shoes.
Dad's house has an inside corner where rain water collects and finds
its way into the basement. The recent weather was so great that it
over flowed the sump. He's been battling water in the basement for a
couple of years now. Its like a hobby. He doesn't want to bring in a
contractor and deal with it outside...he'd rather play with masonry
cement in the basement.
-jc
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 06:45 AM, Ken Follett wrote:
> That's what my brother and I finally had to do for our childhood
> homeplace when it was time for Dad to simplify his
> life...role-reversal...we quit asking him, and told him what to do.
> Everything got much easier after that.
>
> I don't think we are quite at that point yet... we usually wait until
> the resident falls down and gets stuck behind the toilet for a day
> before we take action. Scots are an independent lot, you know. You
> don't want to be bossing them around too early. And I'm not too sure
> about the French/Seneca, either, my semi-paternal grandfather was
> working on his car and the brake let loose and he was pinned under it
> for an entire day out in the yard front of their house, with my
> grandmother inside the house listening to Texaco opera or something on
> the radio like that. He died from dehydration & exposure, not from the
> squawking music.
>
> ][<en
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It took my dad two days of sleeping and being unable to walk before he
thought that he might need some assistance. He appears to think "911"
is for people who are really in trouble, not him. Ever since Mom
caught up with the mother ship, he's had the house to himself, its
quiet. He likes that. Mom's cats seem less neurotic now too. Until
this illness I would call once a week...or he would. My sister lives
nearby and is attentive to the point where it makes me and dad
uncomfortable. She was all concerned because his doctor made a
comment about his prostate and I informed her that he would prefer
that she didn't even know he had one. But the time is coming to get
him out of that house. I've always hated that house. I told my mom
that if I inherited half the house I would take a chain saw to my half
and give it what it deserves...assuming the termites leave me anything
worth destroying. But the time is coming for him to move out.
Meanwhile he has a girlfriend...its all going to be very
complicated...isn't it?
Makes me look down the road a piece and see my daughters walking in
the shoes of their mother and aunts, same shoes worn by their
grandmothers...sort of. I hope my son survives his misadventures in
my shoes.
Dad's house has an inside corner where rain water collects and finds
its way into the basement. The recent weather was so great that it
over flowed the sump. He's been battling water in the basement for a
couple of years now. Its like a hobby. He doesn't want to bring in a
contractor and deal with it outside...he'd rather play with masonry
cement in the basement.
-jc
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 06:45 AM, Ken Follett wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><smaller>That's
what my brother and I finally had to do for our childhood homeplace
when it was time for Dad to simplify his life...role-reversal...we
quit asking him, and told him what to do. Everything got much easier
after that.
</smaller></color><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>I don't
think we are quite at that point yet... we usually wait until the
resident falls down and gets stuck behind the toilet for a day before
we take action. Scots are an independent lot, you know. You don't want
to be bossing them around too early. And I'm not too sure about the
French/Seneca, either, my semi-paternal grandfather was working on his
car and the brake let loose and he was pinned under it for an entire
day out in the yard front of their house, with my grandmother inside
the house listening to Texaco opera or something on the radio like
that. He died from dehydration & exposure, not from the squawking
music.
][<<en</smaller></color></fontfamily>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:23:49 -0500
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From the 2 cents (or for what it's worth) gallery, we have had GREAT
success with an over the counter homeopathic called Zicam. It's a zinc
ointment for your nose. It's used at the first sign, or after you
suspect a good likelihood of exposure (like having been any were near
][<en) of a cold. It's scary how well it works. Won't cure a whopper
though.
Rudy
Ps; if anyone wants to see a non-electric shop, come visit our Amish
community. Just don't eat the food unless you have cholesterol numbers
below 50.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:26:29 -0500
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:01:26 -0500
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Re: colds...my husband and I both got one at the same time, same
symptoms, same severity, not gone yet so still shivering. This is rare,
so we believe we were simultaneously exposed to something, and that it
can't be any of those things suggested in the research. =20
Is there a commercial name for that Chlorpheniramine time-release
antihistamine and Ibuprofen combination? Or even for just the
Chlorpheniramine? I've never heard of it, and right now I'm ready to
try anything.
Our new old house is not drafty, and it feels good to just stay home and
read email.
(Original Message: Does cold weather cause a cold? Although many people
are convinced that a cold results from exposure to cold weather, or from
getting chilled or overheated, NIAID grantees have found that these
conditions have little or no effect on the development or severity of a
cold. Nor is susceptibility apparently related to factors such as
exercise, diet, or enlarged tonsils or adenoids. On the other hand,
research suggests that psychological stress, allergic disorders
affecting the nasal passages or pharynx (throat), and menstrual cycles
may have an impact on a person's susceptibility to colds.)
QUINN EVANS | ARCHITECTS
Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:34:28 -0500
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ilene R. Tyler
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 26 Feb 2003 to 27=20
> Feb 2003 (#2003-56)
>=20
>=20
> Is there a commercial name for that Chlorpheniramine=20
> time-release antihistamine and Ibuprofen combination? Or even=20
> for just the Chlorpheniramine? I've never heard of it, and=20
> right now I'm ready to try anything.
...Irene doesn't change the subject line from the digest header, but
it's about the cold remedy thread.
You buy two different pills. There isn't a product that has this
combination.
Chlorpheniramine is a type of antihistamine, and that's the name of it.
Some may have a different commercial name for it, like "Clor-a-Cold" (I
made that up; maybe I shouldn't go into marketing), so just read the
boxes to find it. I think Eckerd has a house brand, and they just call
it Chlorpheniramine. Works for me, I was able to find it right away.
As for you, it's too late for this cold. You really have to do it right
at the outset of symptoms.
But it's nice to know you are here in your warm house (two places at one
time--ain't technology wonderful) reading with us today.
Good luck next cold!=20
Dan
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:48:52 EST
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Bryan, I assume this is autobiography. ][<en
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In a message dated 2/27/03 7:30:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> PS. As Sharpshooter got his snow storm I'm curious when we will get our
>
Yes, got some of that, but not as strong (from this 18") as it was when we
had 30-36" a few years ago, and Madison Avenue sounded like the bottom of
Bryce Canyon.
Blizzard winds did, however, make interesting studies of blowing snow: at
the locally famous "wind tunnel" building (1970's tall tower on 89th &
Madison, which put in tank-trap like mounds to reduce the wind effects),
2-foot drifts surrouded one corner, except for a 24" sort of lane going
around, which was swept bare. A tongue of snow would be blown out onto the
pavement, then shrink back as the flakes were blown away. Reminded me of
Koyaanasquatsi (Michael, spelling on that?) Christopher
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andard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
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snow storm I'm curious when we will get our report on his shouting down the=
urban canyon of snow?</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR>Yes, got some of that, but not as strong (from this 18") as it was when=20=
we had 30-36" a few years ago, and Madison Avenue sounded like the bottom of=
Bryce Canyon.
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& Madison, which put in tank-trap like mounds to reduce the wind effect=
s), 2-foot drifts surrouded one corner, except for a 24" sort of lane going=20=
around, which was swept bare. A tongue of snow would be blown out onto=
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In a message dated 2/27/03 8:24:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> From the 2 cents (or for what it's worth) gallery, we have had GREAT
> success with an over the counter homeopathic called Zicam. It's a zinc
>
Another nutty person told me about that, and I figured she was a space alien.
If Rudy says so, guess I'll try it. Yrs. Galvanized
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LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">From the 2 cents (or for wh=
at it's worth) gallery, we have had GREAT
<BR>success with an over the counter homeopathic called Zicam. It's a zinc
<BR>ointment for your nose</BLOCKQUOTE>
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he'd rather play with masonry cement in the basement.
My maternal grandfather kept walking around in their little apartment saying
the boss had gone crazy and fiddling with all the finishing nails on the trim
saying that they had been put in improperly. He walked around all day with a
nail set and a small hammer tapping on different nails. Drove my grandmother
nuts. In his career he specialized in building wood spiral staircases with
plans figures & numbers kept in his head. ][<en
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Koyaanasquatsi
World of balance?
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 5:25:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I see you are working on the beaded board again
K- LOL!~ Can't get away from them.
VI
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Subject: Re: That's baloney about the architect getting sick under
theleaky gutter....
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and then there's my favorite 2nd grade joke
What's faster hot or cold?
Well anyone can catch a cold...
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:39:39 EST
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 2/27/03 10:29:09 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> World of balance?
I think it means "Life out of balance" - or so Philip Glass says. Saw it
performed at BAM with giant screen - astonishing. C
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:11:09 -0500
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My SO has started using Zicam at the suggestion of her chiropractor, I
think. She seems to think it works. I might even try it if I can lose some
nose hairs (maybe they will enhance the effect by providing more surface
area?). Sounds disgusting when she dips the applicator back in the vial (I
imagine kids love the sound).
P.S. The coolest thing I remember from Amish country (Lancaster County, PA)
was a real small hydro plant that had a single rope or cable that ran across
the farm yard. It was supported on a number of loops and oscillated back
and forth as if it was transfering a rotary motion from one point to
another. For all I know it was just running one of those little wooden yard
toys but I'm thinking it went to their remote/community phone booth or some
such thing (some don't allow such things in the house but seem to allow them
out a ways, perhaps where they can be shared), maybe keeping a battery
charged up. I didn't get to dwell on it because I was (I hate to admit it)
on a bus tour...
>
From the 2 cents (or for what it's worth) gallery, we have had GREAT
success with an over the counter homeopathic called Zicam. It's a zinc
ointment for your nose. It's used at the first sign, or after you
suspect a good likelihood of exposure (like having been any were near
][<en) of a cold. It's scary how well it works. Won't cure a whopper
though.
Rudy
Ps; if anyone wants to see a non-electric shop, come visit our Amish
community. Just don't eat the food unless you have cholesterol numbers
below 50.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:16:02 -0500
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:19:58 -0500
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Sorry to keep bombarding you guys with messages from our corporate
censor robot, I'm trying to figure out what word in a second grade joke
would be deemed offensive enough to have it prevent me from sending it
to you for fear that you would think less of me as a human being.
I'm going to keep trying, yes I am...to send you the joke, not to have
you think less of me.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:30:37 -0500
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From: Dan Becker <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Apparently juvenile jokes are offensive....
...but I'm going to subject you to MY favorite second grade joke anyway.
Hello, friends. I'm coming to you today from the B-P web interface, since
my corporate email system will not allow me to communicate with you. Here's
the last message that I tried to send, that also got blocked...but this
time I saved a text version of it before I sent it, so I could share it
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OK, I think I've figured this one out. What was once an innocent second-
grade world [intenional use of world, not a typo of word] has now become
an "offensive term." Let's see what happens...I am going to reconstruct my
original post (the original text was deleted by the robot censor) using a
hyphen to break up what I believe infuriated a machine that cannot parse
the many many different meanings a single word can have in the English
language:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Diaz
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:17 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: That's baloney about the architect getting sick
> under theleaky gutter....
>
>
> and then there's my favorite 2nd grade joke
OK, respond with "crack-er" after each question:
"What did you have for breakfast?"
==> ***
"What did you have for lunch?"
==> ***
"What did you have for dinner?"
==> ***
"What did you do to your teacher?
==> ***
Bwaaaahahahahaha.
That one earned me a crack up side the head from the nun standing behind me
on the playground when I told it.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:38:00 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/27/2003 7:46:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> He died from dehydration &exposure, not from the squawking music.
>
A lot of people die in operas, but Opera never killed anybody. Maybe bored
the bejesus out of them, but didn't kill 'em.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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A lot of people die in operas, but Opera never killed anybody. Maybe b=
ored the bejesus out of them, but didn't kill 'em.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:40:55 -0500
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>I'm beginning to think you're kinda cute, so maybe it IS working.
Ralph
Thanks, big guy. As a courtesy, no change orders for you.
Nick
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:40:22 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/27/2003 8:18:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> He doesn't want to bring in a
> contractor and deal with it outside...he'd rather play with masonry
> cement in the basement.
>
If your choice was prostate cancer, bringing in a contractor, or playing with
masonry cement in the basement, which would YOU choose?
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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R>
contractor and deal with it outside...he'd rather play with masonry<BR>
cement in the basement.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:43:00 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Cold Remedy
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In a message dated 2/27/2003 10:14:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Reminded me of Koyaanasquatsi
Now THAT would kill you, lying under the car or not.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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ONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=
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Now THAT would kill you, lying under the car or not.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:46:07 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Favorite second grade jokes
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If two's company, and three's a crowd, what's four and five?
Nine.
Ralph
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<BR>
Nine.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:52:44 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Apparently juvenile jokes are offensive....
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In a message dated 2/27/2003 12:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> "What did you do to your teacher?
>
> ==> ***
>
>
No matter what I ask, you have to answer 'Examiner."
What newspaper do you read in the morning?
Examiner.
What newspaper do you read in the afternoon?
Examiner.
What newspaper do you read in the evening?
Examiner.
What would you do if you saw Marilyn Monroe sitting on the toilet?
Examiner.
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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r?<BR>
<BR>
=3D=3D> ***<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
No matter what I ask, you have to answer 'Examiner."<BR>
<BR>
What newspaper do you read in the morning?<BR>
Examiner.<BR>
<BR>
What newspaper do you read in the afternoon?<BR>
Examiner.<BR>
<BR>
What newspaper do you read in the evening?<BR>
Examiner.<BR>
<BR>
What would you do if you saw Marilyn Monroe sitting on the toilet?<BR>
Examiner.<BR>
<BR>
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk<BR>
<BR>
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In a message dated 2/27/2003 12:39:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Thanks, big guy. As a courtesy, no change orders for you.
>
So when are you coming back from Schvitzerland? We could use a few more
contractors like you. On the other hand, economically speaking, maybe you
better stay where you are.
Saw Cooper Institute again, or whatever the hell it's called, the other day.
I still think it's ugly.
Ralph
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:15:59 -0500
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Dan -
Wasn't there an Elmo virus at one point? Maybe that's what McAfee is
barfing on. Can you imagine little Elmo chunks spewed all over the screen?
Not a pretty sight, to be sure.
- Pam
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From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Becker,
Dan
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Arrggggh
Sorry to keep bombarding you guys with messages from our corporate
censor robot, I'm trying to figure out what word in a second grade joke
would be deemed offensive enough to have it prevent me from sending it
to you for fear that you would think less of me as a human being.
I'm going to keep trying, yes I am...to send you the joke, not to have
you think less of me.
_________________________________________________________
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Raleigh Historic want to be here anymore!"
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:33:13 EST
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Subject: Re: Apparently juvenile jokes are offensive....
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Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk
Only two stooges as I see it, this is getting moronic.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:37:30 -0500
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Naw, that's the name of our mail server. All our servers are named after
characters from a certain quaint little show from yore where going to
Raleigh was a nite out on the big town...
Let's see, there's server Andy, and Barney, and Bertha, and Clara, and
Darlene, and Edna, and Elmo of course, Emmett, and Erma, and Ernest, and
Etbass, and Ethel, and Fergus, and Fletch, and Freddy, and Gomer, and
Goober, and Harlan, and Harvey, and Homer, and good ol' Jesse, and
there's also Mayor, and Mberry, and Mtpilot, and our server farm
wouldn't be complete without Otis, and Sams, and Skippy, and Spanky, and
Warren.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pam Stevenson
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:16 PM
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> Dan -
>=20
> Wasn't there an Elmo virus at one point? Maybe that's what=20
> McAfee is barfing on. Can you imagine little Elmo chunks=20
> spewed all over the screen? Not a pretty sight, to be sure.
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> - Pam
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Becker,
Dan
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:20 PM
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Subject: Arrggggh
Sorry to keep bombarding you guys with messages from our corporate
censor robot, I'm trying to figure out what word in a second grade joke
would be deemed offensive enough to have it prevent me from sending it
to you for fear that you would think less of me as a human being.
I'm going to keep trying, yes I am...to send you the joke, not to have
you think less of me.
_________________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir., "Help me, Mr. Wizard! I don't
Raleigh Historic want to be here anymore!"
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:32:03 -0500
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Spell " I cup"
Courtsey of resident first grader Alex.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:45:00 -0500
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or the IBM clocks we had @ James H Vernon
mitch wilds wrote:
> Spell " I cup"
>
> Courtsey of resident first grader Alex.
>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:48:12 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
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Our servers have mundane names, like RITDEV, RITTEST, RITPROD. I liked the
days when we named one set Fred and Wilma - they worked as a pair, and the
larger one was called Fred. It was so much easier to remember which one was
which.
BTW, did anyone hear that Mr. Rogers died this morning? No more plain white
sneakers, cardigan and King Friday XIII.
- Pam
-----Original Message-----
From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Becker,
Dan
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:38 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Arrggggh
Naw, that's the name of our mail server. All our servers are named after
characters from a certain quaint little show from yore where going to
Raleigh was a nite out on the big town...
Let's see, there's server Andy, and Barney, and Bertha, and Clara, and
Darlene, and Edna, and Elmo of course, Emmett, and Erma, and Ernest, and
Etbass, and Ethel, and Fergus, and Fletch, and Freddy, and Gomer, and
Goober, and Harlan, and Harvey, and Homer, and good ol' Jesse, and
there's also Mayor, and Mberry, and Mtpilot, and our server farm
wouldn't be complete without Otis, and Sams, and Skippy, and Spanky, and
Warren.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pam Stevenson
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:16 PM
>
>
> Dan -
>
> Wasn't there an Elmo virus at one point? Maybe that's what
> McAfee is barfing on. Can you imagine little Elmo chunks
> spewed all over the screen? Not a pretty sight, to be sure.
>
> - Pam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Becker,
Dan
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Arrggggh
Sorry to keep bombarding you guys with messages from our corporate
censor robot, I'm trying to figure out what word in a second grade joke
would be deemed offensive enough to have it prevent me from sending it
to you for fear that you would think less of me as a human being.
I'm going to keep trying, yes I am...to send you the joke, not to have
you think less of me.
_________________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir., "Help me, Mr. Wizard! I don't
Raleigh Historic want to be here anymore!"
Districts Commission - Tooter the Turtle
[log in to unmask]
919/890-3678
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:05:44 -0500
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From: Pam Stevenson Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:48 PM
>
BTW, did anyone hear that Mr. Rogers died this morning? No more plain white
sneakers, cardigan and King Friday XIII.
- Pam
>
Yeah, so what comes in today's mail? Bad timing or bad taste...
>
Subject: "When The Gays Move into Mr. Rogers Neighborhood" Diversity
Program
ATTENTION FACULTY AND STAFF!
The Office of Student Life cordially invites you to "When the Gays Move into
Mr. Roger's Neigborhood" on Wednesday March 5, 2003 at 8:00 PM in Marshall
Auditorium. All ESF and SU students, faculty and staff are invited and
encouraged to attend. This program explores the realities and human
dimensions of living in a world of heterosexual privilege. The program
features Joe Bertolino and Bil Leipold, who draw on their personal
experiences as gay fraternity men and student affairs professionals, as well
as family experiences and their own relationship, to present this difficult
topic in an informal, non-threatening way that is addressed to all
audiences. They present serious subjects in a funny, interactive and
challenging style that gets people thinking about homophobia, heterosexism,
and diversity from a new perspective.
We encourage you, and your students, to attend this important -and
entertaining! - program. This program was made possible with support from
the ESF Office Of Student Life, ESF Undergraduate Student Association,
Office of Multicultural Outreach, SU LGBT Resource Center, Office of
Residence Life and Office Of Greek Life and Experiential Learning.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:15:19 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Is SU trying to infer that Mr. Rogers was gay? Maybe they hadn't heard the
news yet. Doesn't everyone listen to NPR???
-----Original Message-----
From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Bruce
Marcham
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 2:06 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Arrggggh
From: Pam Stevenson Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:48 PM
>
BTW, did anyone hear that Mr. Rogers died this morning? No more plain white
sneakers, cardigan and King Friday XIII.
- Pam
>
Yeah, so what comes in today's mail? Bad timing or bad taste...
>
Subject: "When The Gays Move into Mr. Rogers Neighborhood" Diversity
Program
ATTENTION FACULTY AND STAFF!
The Office of Student Life cordially invites you to "When the Gays Move into
Mr. Roger's Neigborhood" on Wednesday March 5, 2003 at 8:00 PM in Marshall
Auditorium. All ESF and SU students, faculty and staff are invited and
encouraged to attend. This program explores the realities and human
dimensions of living in a world of heterosexual privilege. The program
features Joe Bertolino and Bil Leipold, who draw on their personal
experiences as gay fraternity men and student affairs professionals, as well
as family experiences and their own relationship, to present this difficult
topic in an informal, non-threatening way that is addressed to all
audiences. They present serious subjects in a funny, interactive and
challenging style that gets people thinking about homophobia, heterosexism,
and diversity from a new perspective.
We encourage you, and your students, to attend this important -and
entertaining! - program. This program was made possible with support from
the ESF Office Of Student Life, ESF Undergraduate Student Association,
Office of Multicultural Outreach, SU LGBT Resource Center, Office of
Residence Life and Office Of Greek Life and Experiential Learning.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:45:49 EST
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In a message dated 2/27/2003 2:06:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> BTW, did anyone hear that Mr. Rogers died this morning? No more plain white
> sneakers, cardigan and King Friday XIII.
>
Mrs. Ralph had occasion to meet him years ago and worked on some
child-related project with him. She said he was exactly the same in real
life as on TV, one of the nicest people she'd ever met (although a little
strange by our current cynical standards), and an ordained minister.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">BTW, did anyone hear that Mr. R=
ogers died this morning? No more plain white<BR>
sneakers, cardigan and King Friday XIII.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Mrs. Ralph had occasion to meet him years ago and worked on some child-relat=
ed project with him. She said he was exactly the same in real life as=20=
on TV, one of the nicest people she'd ever met (although a little strange by=
our current cynical standards), and an ordained minister.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:02:16 -0500
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Ken:
In looking at the design snow loads for NYS (from the building code) I see
that the highest square foot design load, not surprisingly, is upstate. 90
pounds in the Tug Hill area 80 pounds north of Amsterdam. Down your way it
is 30 pounds.
Two feet of water would be of the order of 125 pounds per square foot (62.4
pounds per cubic foot). That would be a REAL BAD THING unless the
structural engineer went pretty wild with the safety factor. It sounds like
the roof support structure was holding up worse than the roof itself.
Amazing. I think I would've tried some sort of a siphon approach until it
got down to at least one foot deep.
Roofs loaded unequally (like your shop) are a problem too. My structural
engineering friend tells me they take this into account (snow blowing over
from one side to the other, for instance) when they do a serious design but
most roofs (like my large garage where I just said something like, "yep
gimme 40 pound live load, 20 pound dead load, 10 pound bottom chord
trusses") are figured with a balanced load (maybe there is a safety factor
in there of some sort for the unequal loading).
Bruce
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:55 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
Our shop is spit with office on one side and uninsulated warehouse on the
other. The office area had 5' of snow drifted and the uninsulated side was
clear of snow. The heat on the unisulated side, kept at minimum above
freezing, melted the snow.
Then there are those owners who never think to clean their drains on a flat
roof with parapets. It is no hyperbole that I have been on roofs with ponds
with 2' of standing water. It is a nervous situation when you see them, and
worse when you have to walk around on them.
][<en
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:16:39 -0500
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Subject: Koyaanisquatsi
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Koyaanisquatsi was recently released on DVD, along with Powaqqatsi ("Life in Transformation"), the second film in the trilogy. Amazon sells both as a package deal. The third film, Naqoyqatsi hasn't been released yet on DVD, but there is some interesting information at <A href="http://www.naqoy.com/naqoy/">http://www.naqoy.com/naqoy/</A>. Naqoyqatsi is interpreted as "1. A life of killing each other. 2. War as a way of life. 3. Civilized violence."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Reminds me of something Bill Russell said lately to the effect that the real reason we're waging war on Al Qaeda and Iraq is their failure to recognize the UN resolution that "q" should always be followed by "u". Must mean we're going to declare war on the Hopi next.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Lisa</FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Met History</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 2/27/2003 6:39:39 AM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Cold Remedy</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SERIF"><BR>I think it means "Life out of balance" - or so Philip Glass says. Saw it performed at BAM with giant screen - astonishing. C </FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:46:26 EST
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In a message dated 2/27/2003 12:12:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Ps; if anyone wants to see a non-electric shop, come visit our Amish
> community. Just don't eat the food unless you have cholesterol numbers
> below 50.
>
If anyone does want to come visit, the Vernacular Architecture Forum (VAF)
will be having their 2004 conference in the Lancaster area. My department has
been doing the field drawings in preparation for the conference this fall,
and it is going to be an AWESOME conference. And knowing the VAFers love of
pork products... well, think Homer Simpson in a brewery.
-Heidi
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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n-electric shop, come visit our Amish<BR>
community. Just don't eat the food unless you have cholesterol numbers<BR>
below 50.<BR>
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ill be having their 2004 conference in the Lancaster area. My department has=
been doing the field drawings in preparation for the conference this fall,=20=
and it is going to be an AWESOME conference. And knowing the VAFers love of=20=
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:00:29 EST
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Subject: Mr. Rogers was, really, one of my heroes.
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You think I'm joking, but I'm not. He did something individual, and
completely against the grain of our crappy, loud, commercial, gossip-focussed
culture, and did it successfully. Although his show is often lumped together
with Sesame Street, that was one show I really try to cut down on with my
kids: jumpy, disconnected stuff, really just advertising with no particular
product. The same people who thought it was too slow, too saccharine for
little children are, I've always assumed, the ones who try to get them
studying for their SATs when they're in first grade, because "they've got to
get into a good college". You could segue into the Odyssey after Mr.
Rogers; after Sesame Street you could only read cereal boxes. Here endeth
the lesson. Christopher
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something individual, and completely against the grain of our crappy, loud,=20=
commercial, gossip-focussed culture, and did it successfully. Although=
his show is often lumped together with Sesame Street, that was one show I r=
eally try to cut down on with my kids: jumpy, disconnected stuff, real=
ly just advertising with no particular product. The same people who th=
ought it was too slow, too saccharine for little children are, I've always a=
ssumed, the ones who try to get them studying for their SATs when they're in=
first grade, because "they've got to get into a good college". =
You could segue into the Odyssey after Mr. Rogers; after Sesame Street you c=
ould only read cereal boxes. Here endeth the lesson.  =
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:42:34 -0600
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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Point well taken.
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 11:40 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/27/2003 8:18:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
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> He doesn't want to bring in a
> contractor and deal with it outside...he'd rather play with masonry
> cement in the basement.
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> If your choice was prostate cancer, bringing in a contractor, or
> playing with masonry cement in the basement, which would YOU choose?
>
> Ralph
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Point well taken.
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 11:40 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/27/2003 8:18:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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</smaller></fontfamily>He doesn't want to bring in a
contractor and deal with it outside...he'd rather play with masonry
cement in the basement.
If your choice was prostate cancer, bringing in a contractor, or
playing with masonry cement in the basement, which would YOU choose?
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:39:20 -0500
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on 2/27/03 9:48 AM, Ken Follett at [log in to unmask] wrote:
Bryan, I assume this is autobiography. ][<en
As I remember you are the owner of the devil duck. Oh, if that duck could
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:50:30 -0500
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on 2/27/03 4:00 PM, Met History at [log in to unmask] wrote:
You think I'm joking, but I'm not. He did something individual, and
completely against the grain of our crappy, loud, commercial,
gossip-focussed culture, and did it successfully. Although his show is
often lumped together with Sesame Street, that was one show I really try to
cut down on with my kids: jumpy, disconnected stuff, really just
advertising with no particular product. The same people who thought it was
too slow, too saccharine for little children are, I've always assumed, the
ones who try to get them studying for their SATs when they're in first
grade, because "they've got to get into a good college". You could segue
into the Odyssey after Mr. Rogers; after Sesame Street you could only read
cereal boxes. Here endeth the lesson. Christopher
For those who grew up with Mister Rogers, with his death comes the
realization that life isn't for ever and that you have reached an age where
those people you grew up with are beginning to disappear. I think its
called getting older.
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on 2/27/03 4:00 PM, Met History at [log in to unmask] wrote:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">You think I'm jokin=
g, but I'm not. He did something individual, and completely against th=
e grain of our crappy, loud, commercial, gossip-focussed culture, and did it=
successfully. Although his show is often lumped together with Sesame =
Street, that was one show I really try to cut down on with my kids: ju=
mpy, disconnected stuff, really just advertising with no particular product.=
The same people who thought it was too slow, too saccharine for littl=
e children are, I've always assumed, the ones who try to get them studying f=
or their SATs when they're in first grade, because "they've got to get =
into a good college". You could segue into the Odyssey afte=
r Mr. Rogers; after Sesame Street you could only read cereal boxes. &n=
bsp; Here endeth the lesson. Christopher <BR>
</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
For those who grew up with Mister Rogers, with his death comes the realizat=
ion that life isn't for ever and that you have reached an age where those pe=
ople you grew up with are beginning to disappear. I think its called g=
etting older.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:10:05 -0500
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:00 PM
>=20
>=20
> You think I'm joking, but I'm not. =20
I shall proffer a comment that is the bane of the newsgroup/listserv
internet culture:
Me too.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:27:46 -0500
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:29:19 -0500
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> As I remember you are the owner of the devil duck. Oh, if
> that duck could talk.
Listen, Bill... it WAS NOT ME IN THE HALL PULLING THE FIRE ALARM IN MY UNDER PANTS that night!
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> I was talking with one of my unusual friends today and he shared with me his
> regret at the loss of his hero, Mr. Rogers.
Ken,
Funny thing, I generally feel one of two things in the morning upon rising
(that is following the elation that the Big Guy has simply allowed me to wake
up). Each day I approach with either dread, or anticipation of good things.
It's incredible, but on those good days, as I step down onto the sidewalk, I
without fail find myself singing in my head, "It's a beautiful day in the
neighborhood!"
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:17:50 -0600
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Toward the end of my unhappy tenure with an unpleasant employer I got,
"Somebody Turned On The Light" by Arlo Guthrie stuck in my head. Day
after day, each return trip from the coffee pot I seemed to have the
lines drilled into my skull, "Somebody said, ' who's life is this?',
and I said,' that it can't be mine'". Maybe I'm nutz, or maybe songs
we sing mean something.
Just checked the lyrics...strange that the line, "Women, wine and fast
red cars," didn't get stuck. Maybe it will now...but I doubt it.
-jc
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> In a message dated 2/27/2003 9:28:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> I was talking with one of my unusual friends today and he shared with
> me his regret at the loss of his hero, Mr. Rogers.
>
>
>
> Ken,
>
> Funny thing, I generally feel one of two things in the morning upon
> rising (that is following the elation that the Big Guy has simply
> allowed me to wake up). Each day I approach with either dread, or
> anticipation of good things. It's incredible, but on those good days,
> as I step down onto the sidewalk, I without fail find myself singing
> in my head, "It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood!"
>
> Twybil
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Toward the end of my unhappy tenure with an unpleasant employer I got,
"Somebody Turned On The Light" by Arlo Guthrie stuck in my head. Day
after day, each return trip from the coffee pot I seemed to have the
lines drilled into my skull, "Somebody said, ' who's life is this?',
and I said,' that it can't be mine'". Maybe I'm nutz, or maybe songs
we sing mean something.
Just checked the lyrics...strange that the line, "Women, wine and fast
red cars," didn't get stuck. Maybe it will now...but I doubt it.
-jc
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 08:59 PM, Mike Devonshire wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/27/2003 9:28:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>I was talking with one of my unusual friends
today and he shared with me his regret at the loss of his hero, Mr.
Rogers.
Ken,
Funny thing, I generally feel one of two things in the morning upon
rising (that is following the elation that the Big Guy has simply
allowed me to wake up). Each day I approach with either dread, or
anticipation of good things. It's incredible, but on those good days,
as I step down onto the sidewalk, I without fail find myself singing
in my head, "It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood!"
Twybil</excerpt>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:45:31 -0800
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That's the point we're at now. Not a comfortable place to be. It's hard
enough to parent your kids, but to have to parent your parents is very
difficult. I am having to make decisions about what to throw out and what
to keep. Medical decisions have to be made and house repairs. There is no
question of selling the place, it has been in the family for about 200
years and I'm not about to let it go. That's why we moved in here. Ruth
At 7:56 PM -0500 2/26/03, Becker, Dan wrote:
That's what my brother and I finally had to do for our childhood homeplace
when it was time for Dad to simplify his life...role-reversal...we quit
asking him, and told him what to do. Everything got much easier after that.
D.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:53:19 -0800
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Somehow I don't think being out in the weather will hurt a choochoo train
too much. Up here our trains run out in the weather all the time, even
Amtrack. Falling roofs might be a different story. Ruth
At 4:41 PM -0500 2/26/03, Ken Follett wrote:
During the big snow I saw a report that the roof on the B & O museum round
house in Baltimore had collapsed. There was a shot with a large area of
roof missing. Any word on that? They have a hell of a nice collection of
early American locomotives in there and I'm curious what effect the
subsequent rain has had, let alone the damage to their displays from
falling cut timbers and iron connections.
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Old workshops
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 10:57:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> No, no, no, I know all about making sawdust, we have a sawmill here on the
> farm. This is a MACHINE shop, they do funky things with hunks of METAL.
> It looks like great fun but they measure things in thousandths of an inch
> and I don't get any finer than an eighth so would never do. Ruth
>
I wouldn't limit myself to such coarse measurements, but on the other hand
thousandths of an inch are way too small for me. Somehow, metal work scares
me in a way that woodwork doesn't, and I don't really like plumbing because
of all that goddam water rushing hither and yon, even in the pipes. I'm also
nowhere near as accurate in sawdust fabrication as I'd like to be, and can't
keep my goddam radical alarm saw square, which drives me absolutely nuts.
Masonry is too messy for me, too; I like things that are dry and stay where
you put them, although I suppose one could argue that masonry doesn't move
much when installed by somebody who knows what the hell s/he's doing.
Painting is OK, though, and staining and varnishing woodwork is heaven.
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From the Brooklyn Union-Argus, Tuesday July 22, 1879
MEYNER'S SHOT The Killing of Patrick M'DERMOTT, The Grocer
Coroner's Inquest Yesterday Afternoon-The assassin's Conduct before and
after the shooting-How MEYNER'S Bore the Terrible Ordeal-The Prisoner's
Wife in Tears.
At the Coroner's office, in the County Court House, yesterday afternoon,
the inquest touching the shooting of Patrick MC DERMOTT, the Hudson avenue
grocer, by the German cabinet maker, Nicholas MEYNERS, was held. The crowd
in attendance was large, and many inquiring glances were from time to time
directed toward the prisoner, who sat opposite the jury, in custody of his
captor, Officer James RYAN, of the Second Precinct. As on the day of his
arrest he wore only a cotton undershirt, cheap pantaloons, an old pair of
red carpet slippers and coarse woolen socks. His face, naturally pale and
bloodless, had become bleached into a ghastly yellowish white by his
incarceration, and, with his long, thin, brown locks and scraggy beard,
gave him a repulsive appearance. Captain CRAFTS, of the Second Precinct,
was present.
Michael SCHWARTZ testified: I live at No. 35 Hudson avenue. I am a
harnessmaker and coachman. I know the prisoner by sight. I came up from
his cellar. I was standing across the street. He had a white pitcher in
his hand, and went to the corner of John street and Hudson avenue and spoke
to the grocer's clerk. Afterward he came up out of the cellar, and went
away again with a newspaper. I saw him return to the cellar. I did not
again see him come out until the policeman had him. But I did stand there
five or six minutes before that, and saw the grocery man that was shot take
his two shutters off the door. Then he came down the sidewalk and wanted
to take the rope off the post to tie up the shutters. I saw him have hold
of the rope, and heard a shot. As soon as I heard the shot, MC DERMOTT
threw himself around and looked into the cellar.
Here the proceedings were for a moment interrupted by the entrance of the
widow of the deceased, dressed in deep mourning and closely
veiled. Several female friends were with her.
The witness continuing said: MC DERMOTT fell about two feet from the
curbstone; then he hollered several times; the first person to come to his
assistance was his wife; I saw the smoke issuing from the cellar.
Charles HARTMANN, of No. 30 Hudson avenue, testified: I am clerk in William
NEWMAN'S grocery, corner of Hudson avenue and John Street; last Thursday
morning I saw Mr. MEYNERS come into the store about ten minutes or a
quarter of six: he sat down awhile and talked, as was his habit, for he
came in several times every day; he said, "Good morning," and "A nice
morning;" I paid little attention to him, as I was busy; he walked out;
about five or eight minutes after that I heard a shot and went outside, and
saw Mr. MC DERMOTT falling down in the roadway about two feet from the
sidewalk. His wife came out. MEYNERS was apparently sober. He did not
talk like a drunken man. On the night of July 3, MEYNERS came to the store
to buy gunpowder. He asked me if I had any powder. I told him no, that I
had none. He had a gun in his hand. I asked him to let me see it, and he
showed it to me, and I saw it was empty and rusty. He told me it was a gun
he brought from the war. He stayed around there a little while, went out
and went into the basement. For three or four days before the shooting he
seemed to have been drinking. I never saw him quarrel, though I heard he
was quarreling with his wife. I know him since last October. When he came
in with the pitcher he bought nothing. I do not know that I shook my head
significantly that morning as he went out. I do not know that I shook my
head significantly that morning as he went out. If I did I must have done
it without cause.
Mrs. Kate MC DERMOTT, the widow, testified: I live at 34 Hudson
avenue. My husband left me Tuesday morning about seven o'clock and went to
New York to work. He did not return until three o'clock Wednesday
afternoon. He went to bed to et some sleep. He had no sooner laid down
than Mr. MEYNERS and his wife quarrelled-commenced to
fight-down-stairs. So my husband said to me: "Kate, please tell them to
quit, or I cannot sleep, for I want some rest." I went out, and spoke down
stairs to please stop fighting, for my husband wanted some sleep. He began
to quarrel again with the wife, and she rushed up to my door, and he after
her. Then she went out again, and hollered "murder," and my husband got up
and spoke from his door, and said "Please, Mr. MEYNERS, you ought to be
ashamed to be beating an old woman like that." That was all that took
place. My husband went to bed, and did not get up until seven o'clock that
evening, when he had his tea, and at nine o'clock put up the shutters and
went to bed. On Thursday morning I woke him up, at six o'clock. He went out
to take down the shutters, and told me to have breakfast ready. He had
only just got out-not one minute-when I heard the report of the gun. I
rushed for the door and heard him say: "Kate, Kate, the Dutchman in the
basement door has shot me." He (pointing to the prisoner, who did not move
a muscle) was standing at the basement door. When he heard my husband say
that the Dutchman in the basement had shot him, he locked himself in. When
I saw MEYNERS I did not mind whether he had anything in his hand-I was
looking at my husband. My husband had never a word with MEYNERS but what I
have told you. I did not see my husband strike him. My husband never went
outside of his room door.
Dr. Joseph F. O'CONNELL, House Surgeon at the Brooklyn Hospital testified:
A large, circular ragged wound was found in the left post-interior thoracic
region of MC DERMOTT'S body. The patient died at 1:30 P.M., six and a half
hours after admission to the hospital, with symptoms of internal
hemorrhage. I made the post mortem in the presence of Drs. SIMMS and
SHEPARD. The ball was found. It had drilled its way through the eighth
dorsal vertebra, and thence through the right lung, embedding itself
between the seventh and eighth ribs. Death was due to internal hemorrhage.
Bridget COSTELLO, of 34 Hudson avenue, second floor, testified: On
Wednesday Mrs. MEYNERS came to my door about 3:30 o'clock in the afternoon,
and told me her husband was licking her. I advised her to go to her own
apartments, as I did not wish to have anything to do with her. Shortly
afterward she went down stairs to her husband in the basement, and hollered
out "Murder! murder! Neighbors come and save me! My husband is killing me."
The neighbors rushed down. Mr. MC DERMOTT was standing at his own door in
his stocking feet, and Mrs. MC DERMOTT with him. Mr. MEYNERS had a big iron
poker, and was licking his wife. We cried shame on him to lick his poor old
wife like that. AFter that about five o'clock , I was washing, and asked
her to let me put some clothes on her line. She said I was welcome to do
it. Then she said
"Mrs., please; Mrs.., please won't you come here; my husband has a gun
loaded to shoot me." The next morning about ten minutes of six I was coming
across from the bakery with milk and bread, and I saw Mr. MEYNERS standing
on the first step of the cellar and the gun behind his back. I said "Good
morning" to him, and he returned the nod to me. As I was going up the
stairs I saw him holding the gun behind him with both hands. On Wednesday
evening about five or half past five o'clock when he was passing my door he
remarked that he would settle parties in that house. My sister-in-law was
standing by at the time. Her name is Kate COSTELLO. I was in my own room
when I heard the report of the gun, and I saw the smoke coming from the
basement. I saw Mr. MC DERMOTT fall into the street. he raised his hands. I
called out to Mrs. MC DERMOTT that the man in the basement had shot her
husband. Mrs. MC DERMOTT came out, and a crowd of people gathered. Some
citizens carried Mr. MC DERMOTT into his room. I was not home the day
before. I was working.
Mrs. Kate MEYNERS, a little, wrinkled, gray-haired woman, was called to the
stand. The tears coursed down her cheeks as she seated herself, and for
the first time the prisoner, who had not been seen her since his arrest,
seemed to take an interest in the proceedings. Until called upon she had
been in an adjoining room. She testified in a broken voice: My husband had
been drinking for fourteen days before this occurrence. I saw him have the
gun that morning. He had it down stairs, and I was in the yard
washing. That was near five o'clock.
Here the witness had a crying spell, and covered her face with her shawl.
I did not know whether the gun, was loaded. He never threatened to shoot
me with the gun. I did not hear him say he was going to shoot anybody. I
did not say to Bridget COSTELLO on Wednesday to come into my room that my
husband had a gun to shoot me. I was married to him thirty-nine years, and
he never said any such thing to me.
The Coroner had to question and requestion the woman on this point. She
grew excited, said that the newspapers had not told the truth, and in
broken English said something about telling lies. She kept on saying: "I
nebber said ???dings. Ve nebber had a gun loaded. Nobody ebber come into
mein room" Finally the Coroner quieted her down, and she continued:
I saw my husband take the gun down the basement. it was five o'clock. I
heard the gun go off, but I knew nothing of what was done. I was down in
the yard getting water. I saw no one. When I went in a policeman had my
husband.
The last statement called forth condemnatory shakes of the head and sighs
of doubt from some of the women present.
The witness continued: When I got in from the yard two policemen were in
the basement.
To a juror-My husband went early to bed Wednesday night at ten o'clock. He
read much in the paper. He got up two or three times during the night and
went down stairs. I saw no liquor with him that night. He did not drink
that night, but was half out of his mind. On Tuesday he was drunk.
To a juror-Liquor never came to my house. (A woman laughed incredulously.)
He always went after it. I don't know where he went when he went down
stairs that night.
To the Coroner-I did not see him load the gun.
Captain CRAFTS here held up the gun which witness in response to a question
from the Coroner identified, saying: "It was seven years with us."
Mrs. MC DERMOTT sobbed.
To the Coroner-The gun had been in his room six weeks before he took it down.
As the witness left the stand an officer gave her a seat between Mrs. MC
DERMOTT and her husband.
Patrolman James RYAN, of the Second Precinct, testified: I live at No. 168
Prospect street. On the morning of the 17th I was standing in Plymouth
street, near Hudson avenue. I heard the report of a gun. I looked toward
Hudson avenue and saw some parties run. I started and ran toward the
corner, and down Hudson avenue. I saw Patrick MC DERMOTT lying in the
street. I was told that he had been shot by a man that went into the
basement of No. 34 Hudson avenue. I went down stairs and knocked at the
door. The door was not opened, and I burst it in. Nicholas MEYNERS was
standing inside of the door. I asked him why he shot that man. He replied:
"He knows, I no see nobody. I wanted to fire off the gun." I arrested him,
barricaded the front of the door, and took him out of the rear door. He
and I barricaded it by putting the workbench against it and bolting it. We
went through to the rear yard, and then came through the side hall into the
street and went to the station-house. Officer HORAN was with us.
To the juror-The basement is MEYNERS' workshop. He had tools, work bench,
lumber, and one thing and another there.
To the Coroner-The gun was inside the door with the hammer raised. Mrs.
MEYNERS came into the cellar before I took her husband out. He did not
seem to be under the influence of liquor. he appeared to be excited. I
could not keep him still in the basement-he jumped from side to side-until
I secured the door.
To a juror-Standing at the door I could see anyone standing on the
sidewalk-if pretty near.
To the Coroner-MC DERMOTT was lying twelve or fifteen feet from the cellar
door. I identify the gun shown as the one I found in the cellar. The
Coroner called MEYNERS to the bar, and after duly cautioning him asked him
if he had anything to say.
The only reply was: "I don't know, I vos drunk!"
"Sit down," said the Coroner, and the prisoner reseated himself.
The Coroner then charged the jury.
The jury soon returned with the following verdict:
We the jurors impanelled in the case of the death of Patrick MC DERMOTT,
who died at the City Hospital on Thursday July 17, 1879, at 1:30 P. M. ,
find that the deceased came to his death from internal hemorrhage, caused
by a shot from a gun in the hands of NicholasMEYNERS, on the morning of
July 17, 1879, at 34 Hudson avenue.
The Coroner the committed the prisoner to jail. As MEYNERS was passing out
between two officers, a woman-clad in mourning, and carrying an infant,
confronted him. She is said to be a relative of the deceased. Accounts
vary as to what transpired, as owing to the crowd passing out at the same
time it was impossible to see the parties. Some say that the woman held up
her hand menacingly, at the same time uttering a cry of rage; while others
state that she seized the prisoner by the beard and would have plucked it
out by the roots but for the interference of the officers. The trouble was
over, however, in an instant, and the prisoner was hurried out of the
building.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">From the Brooklyn Union-Argus, Tuesday July 22, 1879<B=
R>
<BR>
MEYNER'S SHOT The Killing of Patrick M'DERMOTT, The Grocer<BR>
Coroner's Inquest Yesterday Afternoon-The assassin's Conduct before and <BR>
after the shooting-How MEYNER'S Bore the Terrible Ordeal-The Prisoner's <BR>
Wife in Tears.<BR>
<BR>
At the Coroner's office, in the County Court House, yesterday afternoon, <BR=
>
the inquest touching the shooting of Patrick MC DERMOTT, the Hudson avenue <=
BR>
grocer, by the German cabinet maker, Nicholas MEYNERS, was held. The c=
rowd <BR>
in attendance was large, and many inquiring glances were from time to time <=
BR>
directed toward the prisoner, who sat opposite the jury, in custody of his <=
BR>
captor, Officer James RYAN, of the Second Precinct. As on the day of h=
is <BR>
arrest he wore only a cotton undershirt, cheap pantaloons, an old pair of <B=
R>
red carpet slippers and coarse woolen socks. His face, naturally pale=20=
and <BR>
bloodless, had become bleached into a ghastly yellowish white by his <BR>
incarceration, and, with his long, thin, brown locks and scraggy beard, <BR>
gave him a repulsive appearance. Captain CRAFTS, of the Second Precinc=
t, <BR>
was present.<BR>
<BR>
Michael SCHWARTZ testified: I live at No. 35 Hudson avenue. I am a <BR=
>
harnessmaker and coachman. I know the prisoner by sight. I came=20=
up from <BR>
his cellar. I was standing across the street. He had a white pit=
cher in <BR>
his hand, and went to the corner of John street and Hudson avenue and spoke=20=
<BR>
to the grocer's clerk. Afterward he came up out of the cellar, and wen=
t <BR>
away again with a newspaper. I saw him return to the cellar.&nbs=
p; I did not <BR>
again see him come out until the policeman had him. But I did stand th=
ere <BR>
five or six minutes before that, and saw the grocery man that was shot take=20=
<BR>
his two shutters off the door. Then he came down the sidewalk and want=
ed <BR>
to take the rope off the post to tie up the shutters. I saw him have h=
old <BR>
of the rope, and heard a shot. As soon as I heard the shot, MC DERMOTT=
<BR>
threw himself around and looked into the cellar.<BR>
<BR>
Here the proceedings were for a moment interrupted by the entrance of the <B=
R>
widow of the deceased, dressed in deep mourning and closely <BR>
veiled. Several female friends were with her.<BR>
<BR>
The witness continuing said: MC DERMOTT fell about two feet from the <=
BR>
curbstone; then he hollered several times; the first person to come to his <=
BR>
assistance was his wife; I saw the smoke issuing from the cellar.<BR>
Charles HARTMANN, of No. 30 Hudson avenue, testified: I am clerk in William=20=
<BR>
NEWMAN'S grocery, corner of Hudson avenue and John Street; last Thursday <BR=
>
morning I saw Mr. MEYNERS come into the store about ten minutes or a <BR>
quarter of six: he sat down awhile and talked, as was his habit, for he <BR>
came in several times every day; he said, "Good morning," and "A nice <BR>
morning;" I paid little attention to him, as I was busy; he walked out; <BR>
about five or eight minutes after that I heard a shot and went outside, and=20=
<BR>
saw Mr. MC DERMOTT falling down in the roadway about two feet from the <BR>
sidewalk. His wife came out. MEYNERS was apparently sober. =
He did not <BR>
talk like a drunken man. On the night of July 3, MEYNERS came to the s=
tore <BR>
to buy gunpowder. He asked me if I had any powder. I told him no, that I <BR=
>
had none. He had a gun in his hand. I asked him to let me see it, and he <BR=
>
showed it to me, and I saw it was empty and rusty. He told me it was a=
gun <BR>
he brought from the war. He stayed around there a little while, went o=
ut <BR>
and went into the basement. For three or four days before the shooting=
he <BR>
seemed to have been drinking. I never saw him quarrel, though I heard=20=
he <BR>
was quarreling with his wife. I know him since last October. When he c=
ame <BR>
in with the pitcher he bought nothing. I do not know that I shook my head <B=
R>
significantly that morning as he went out. I do not know that I shook=20=
my <BR>
head significantly that morning as he went out. If I did I must have d=
one <BR>
it without cause.<BR>
<BR>
Mrs. Kate MC DERMOTT, the widow, testified: I live at 34 Hudson <BR>
avenue. My husband left me Tuesday morning about seven o'clock and wen=
t to <BR>
New York to work. He did not return until three o'clock Wednesday <BR>
afternoon. He went to bed to et some sleep. He had no sooner lai=
d down <BR>
than Mr. MEYNERS and his wife quarrelled-commenced to <BR>
fight-down-stairs. So my husband said to me: "Kate, please tell them t=
o <BR>
quit, or I cannot sleep, for I want some rest." I went out, and spoke=20=
down <BR>
stairs to please stop fighting, for my husband wanted some sleep. He b=
egan <BR>
to quarrel again with the wife, and she rushed up to my door, and he after <=
BR>
her. Then she went out again, and hollered "murder," and my husband go=
t up <BR>
and spoke from his door, and said "Please, Mr. MEYNERS, you ought to be <BR>
ashamed to be beating an old woman like that." That was all that took=20=
<BR>
place. My husband went to bed, and did not get up until seven o'clock=20=
that <BR>
evening, when he had his tea, and at nine o'clock put up the shutters and <B=
R>
went to bed. On Thursday morning I woke him up, at six o'clock. He went out=20=
<BR>
to take down the shutters, and told me to have breakfast ready. He had=
<BR>
only just got out-not one minute-when I heard the report of the gun. I=
<BR>
rushed for the door and heard him say: "Kate, Kate, the Dutchman in th=
e <BR>
basement door has shot me." He (pointing to the prisoner, who did not move <=
BR>
a muscle) was standing at the basement door. When he heard my husband=20=
say <BR>
that the Dutchman in the basement had shot him, he locked himself in. =20=
When <BR>
I saw MEYNERS I did not mind whether he had anything in his hand-I was <BR>
looking at my husband. My husband had never a word with MEYNERS but what I <=
BR>
have told you. I did not see my husband strike him. My husband n=
ever went <BR>
outside of his room door.<BR>
<BR>
Dr. Joseph F. O'CONNELL, House Surgeon at the Brooklyn Hospital testified: <=
BR>
A large, circular ragged wound was found in the left post-interior thoracic=20=
<BR>
region of MC DERMOTT'S body. The patient died at 1:30 P.M., six and a=20=
half <BR>
hours after admission to the hospital, with symptoms of internal <BR>
hemorrhage. I made the post mortem in the presence of Drs. SIMMS and <BR>
SHEPARD. The ball was found. It had drilled its way through the=20=
eighth <BR>
dorsal vertebra, and thence through the right lung, embedding itself <BR>
between the seventh and eighth ribs. Death was due to internal hemorrh=
age.<BR>
<BR>
Bridget COSTELLO, of 34 Hudson avenue, second floor, testified: On <BR>
Wednesday Mrs. MEYNERS came to my door about 3:30 o'clock in the afternoon,=20=
<BR>
and told me her husband was licking her. I advised her to go to her own <BR>
apartments, as I did not wish to have anything to do with her. Shortly=
<BR>
afterward she went down stairs to her husband in the basement, and hollered=20=
<BR>
out "Murder! murder! Neighbors come and save me! My husband is killing me."=20=
<BR>
The neighbors rushed down. Mr. MC DERMOTT was standing at his own door in <B=
R>
his stocking feet, and Mrs. MC DERMOTT with him. Mr. MEYNERS had a big=
iron poker, and was licking his wife. We cried shame on him to=20=
lick his poor old wife like that. AFter that about five o'clock=20=
, I was washing, and asked her to let me put some clothes on her line.=
She said I was welcome to do it. Then she said <BR>
"Mrs., please; Mrs.., please won't you come here; my husband has a gun <BR>
loaded to shoot me." The next morning about ten minutes of six I was coming=20=
<BR>
across from the bakery with milk and bread, and I saw Mr. MEYNERS standing <=
BR>
on the first step of the cellar and the gun behind his back. I said "Good <B=
R>
morning" to him, and he returned the nod to me. As I was going up the=20=
<BR>
stairs I saw him holding the gun behind him with both hands. On Wednesday <B=
R>
evening about five or half past five o'clock when he was passing my door he=20=
<BR>
remarked that he would settle parties in that house. My sister-in-law=20=
was <BR>
standing by at the time. Her name is Kate COSTELLO. I was in my=20=
own room <BR>
when I heard the report of the gun, and I saw the smoke coming from the <BR>
basement. I saw Mr. MC DERMOTT fall into the street. he raised his han=
ds. I called out to Mrs. MC DERMOTT that the man in the basement=
had shot her husband. Mrs. MC DERMOTT came out, and a crowd of=20=
people gathered. Some citizens carried Mr. MC DERMOTT into his r=
oom. I was not home the day before. I was working. <BR>
<BR>
Mrs. Kate MEYNERS, a little, wrinkled, gray-haired woman, was called to the&=
nbsp; stand. The tears coursed down her cheeks as she seated herself,=20=
and for <BR>
the first time the prisoner, who had not been seen her since his arrest, <BR=
>
seemed to take an interest in the proceedings. Until called upon she h=
ad <BR>
been in an adjoining room. She testified in a broken voice: My husband=
had <BR>
been drinking for fourteen days before this occurrence. I saw him have=
the <BR>
gun that morning. He had it down stairs, and I was in the yard <BR>
washing. That was near five o'clock.<BR>
<BR>
Here the witness had a crying spell, and covered her face with her shawl.<BR=
>
I did not know whether the gun, was loaded. He never threatened to sho=
ot <BR>
me with the gun. I did not hear him say he was going to shoot anybody. I <BR=
>
did not say to Bridget COSTELLO on Wednesday to come into my room that my <B=
R>
husband had a gun to shoot me. I was married to him thirty-nine years,=
and <BR>
he never said any such thing to me.<BR>
<BR>
The Coroner had to question and requestion the woman on this point. She <BR>
grew excited, said that the newspapers had not told the truth, and in <BR>
broken English said something about telling lies. She kept on saying: "I <BR=
>
nebber said ???dings. Ve nebber had a gun loaded. Nobody ebber c=
ome into <BR>
mein room" Finally the Coroner quieted her down, and she continued:<BR>
I saw my husband take the gun down the basement. it was five o'clock.&=
nbsp; I <BR>
heard the gun go off, but I knew nothing of what was done. I was down in <BR=
>
the yard getting water. I saw no one. When I went in a policeman had my <BR>
husband.<BR>
The last statement called forth condemnatory shakes of the head and sighs <B=
R>
of doubt from some of the women present.<BR>
The witness continued: When I got in from the yard two policemen were in <BR=
>
the basement.<BR>
To a juror-My husband went early to bed Wednesday night at ten o'clock. =
; He <BR>
read much in the paper. He got up two or three times during the night and <B=
R>
went down stairs. I saw no liquor with him that night. He did not drink <BR>
that night, but was half out of his mind. On Tuesday he was drunk.<BR>
To a juror-Liquor never came to my house. (A woman laughed incredulously.) <=
BR>
He always went after it. I don't know where he went when he went down <BR>
stairs that night.<BR>
To the Coroner-I did not see him load the gun.<BR>
Captain CRAFTS here held up the gun which witness in response to a question=20=
<BR>
from the Coroner identified, saying: "It was seven years with us."<BR>
Mrs. MC DERMOTT sobbed.<BR>
To the Coroner-The gun had been in his room six weeks before he took it down=
.<BR>
As the witness left the stand an officer gave her a seat between Mrs. MC <BR=
>
DERMOTT and her husband.<BR>
<BR>
Patrolman James RYAN, of the Second Precinct, testified: I live at No. 168 <=
BR>
Prospect street. On the morning of the 17th I was standing in Plymouth=
<BR>
street, near Hudson avenue. I heard the report of a gun. I looked towa=
rd <BR>
Hudson avenue and saw some parties run. I started and ran toward the <=
BR>
corner, and down Hudson avenue. I saw Patrick MC DERMOTT lying in the <BR>
street. I was told that he had been shot by a man that went into the <BR>
basement of No. 34 Hudson avenue. I went down stairs and knocked at th=
e <BR>
door. The door was not opened, and I burst it in. Nicholas MEYNE=
RS was <BR>
standing inside of the door. I asked him why he shot that man. He replied: <=
BR>
"He knows, I no see nobody. I wanted to fire off the gun." I arrested him, <=
BR>
barricaded the front of the door, and took him out of the rear door. H=
e <BR>
and I barricaded it by putting the workbench against it and bolting it. =
; We <BR>
went through to the rear yard, and then came through the side hall into the=20=
<BR>
street and went to the station-house. Officer HORAN was with us.<BR>
To the juror-The basement is MEYNERS' workshop. He had tools, work bench, <B=
R>
lumber, and one thing and another there.<BR>
To the Coroner-The gun was inside the door with the hammer raised. Mrs=
. <BR>
MEYNERS came into the cellar before I took her husband out. He did not=
<BR>
seem to be under the influence of liquor. he appeared to be excited. I=
<BR>
could not keep him still in the basement-he jumped from side to side-until <=
BR>
I secured the door.<BR>
To a juror-Standing at the door I could see anyone standing on the <BR>
sidewalk-if pretty near.<BR>
To the Coroner-MC DERMOTT was lying twelve or fifteen feet from the cellar <=
BR>
door. I identify the gun shown as the one I found in the cellar. The <=
BR>
Coroner called MEYNERS to the bar, and after duly cautioning him asked him <=
BR>
if he had anything to say.<BR>
The only reply was: "I don't know, I vos drunk!"<BR>
"Sit down," said the Coroner, and the prisoner reseated himself.<BR>
<BR>
The Coroner then charged the jury.<BR>
<BR>
The jury soon returned with the following verdict:<BR>
<BR>
We the jurors impanelled in the case of the death of Patrick MC DERMOTT, <BR=
>
who died at the City Hospital on Thursday July 17, 1879, at 1:30 P. M. , <BR=
>
find that the deceased came to his death from internal hemorrhage, caused <B=
R>
by a shot from a gun in the hands of NicholasMEYNERS, on the morning of <BR>
July 17, 1879, at 34 Hudson avenue.<BR>
<BR>
The Coroner the committed the prisoner to jail. As MEYNERS was passing=
out <BR>
between two officers, a woman-clad in mourning, and carrying an infant, <BR>
confronted him. She is said to be a relative of the deceased. Ac=
counts <BR>
vary as to what transpired, as owing to the crowd passing out at the same <B=
R>
time it was impossible to see the parties. Some say that the woman hel=
d up <BR>
her hand menacingly, at the same time uttering a cry of rage; while others <=
BR>
state that she seized the prisoner by the beard and would have plucked it <B=
R>
out by the roots but for the interference of the officers. The trouble=
was <BR>
over, however, in an instant, and the prisoner was hurried out of the buildi=
ng.<BR>
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Ralph:
How dare you call me a contractor! Conservator of Architectural Stone and
Sculpture please!
Nice to know someone misses me a little! I will actually be back in NYC for
3 weeks in April to finish a project for the City of NY.
Now, is The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art (Foundation
Building) ugly because it was designed ugly, or ugly because we restored it
into a new state of ugliness? Inquiring minds want to know!
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I'm confused, you can offend at conservator by mistaking him for a
contractor?
-jc
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 07:08 AM, Nicholas Micros wrote:
> Ralph:
>
> How dare you call me a contractor! Conservator of Architectural Stone
> and
> Sculpture please!
>
> Nice to know someone misses me a little! I will actually be back in
> NYC for
> 3 weeks in April to finish a project for the City of NY.
>
> Now, is The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art
> (Foundation
> Building) ugly because it was designed ugly, or ugly because we
> restored it
> into a new state of ugliness? Inquiring minds want to know!
>
> Nick
>
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> Now, is The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art (Foundation
>
I vote for designed ugly. Christopher
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Dear Sir or Madam
I am currently researching the subject of joiners 'rods', used to take
and transfer dimensions without numerical measurements, and wondered if
I could possibly enlist your help?
As a joiner I have no difficulty describing the making and operation of
rods, but other than George Ellis' Practical Modern Joinery (1907) I am
struggling to locate sources that detail earlier use and/or examples.
I wonder if you might be able to suggest somebody that I could contact
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I am currently researching the subject of joiners 'rods', used to take and
transfer dimensions without numerical measurements, and wondered if I could
possibly enlist your help?<br>
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As a joiner I have no difficulty describing the making and operation of
rods, but other than George Ellis' Practical Modern Joinery (1907) I am struggling
to locate sources that detail earlier use and/or examples.<br>
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guidance in this matter?<br>
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May I also offer to send you a copy of the completed paper for your archive?<br>
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Subject: Re: Cooper Union Contractor in Switzerland
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In a message dated 2/28/2003 8:09:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Now, is The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art (Foundation
> Building) ugly because it was designed ugly
I think it was designed ugly, and built of lousy material (ie, brownstone),
and has been altered so as to become uglier. What do you think? Let the
Pinheads know when you'll be here. We'll be happy to stay away from a party
in your honor.
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Building) ugly because it was designed ugly</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
<I>I</I> think it was designed ugly, and built of lousy material (ie, browns=
tone), and has been altered so as to become uglier. What do <I>you </I=
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Subject: Re: Mr. Rogers was, really, one of my heroes.
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> Would you be mine, could you be mine, won't you be my neighbour?
>
Not if spell like that. Goddam furriners.
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Subject: Re: Mr. Rogers was, really, one of my heroes.
Would you be mine, could you be mine, won't you be my neighbour
Not if spell like that. Goddam furriners.
Ralph=20
Of course, you realize that Mr. Rogers was a Canadian =
invention/development. The Mr. started out as a puppeteer doing a =
puppets and song show in Pittsburgh. He was invited by a producer at =
CBC-TV to come to Canada and do a show, and Mr. came to Toronto thinking =
he was going to do a children's puppet show series on TV. The producer =
suggested that he take a different approach and described the format we =
all came to know as the neighbourhood, and the Mr. Rogers show was born =
and aired in Canada as a neighbourly combination of Canadian vision and =
American talent. After a while, Mr. moved back to Pittsburgh and kept =
it all going, taking along the Canadian notion that neighbourliness was =
next to Godliness.
I wish the current puppeteer in Wash. would take a lesson from history =
and TV and listen to our current Producer (Prime Minister) and learn =
what it is to value neighbourliness. It is probably the single most =
effective basic spiritual practice we all have to govern human actions.
cp in Rogers Land
(where it might seem a bit dull and slow but we smile a lot)
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of course, you realize that Mr. Rogers =
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that he=20
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the neighbourhood, and the Mr. Rogers show was born and aired in Canada =
as a=20
neighbourly combination of Canadian vision and American =
talent. =20
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Godliness.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wish the current puppeteer in Wash. =
would take a=20
lesson from history and TV and listen to our current Producer (Prime =
Minister)=20
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probably the single most effective basic spiritual =
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In a message dated 2/28/03 2:51:50 PM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I wish the current puppeteer in Wash. would take a lesson from history and
> TV and listen to our current Producer (Prime Minister) and learn what it is
> to value neighbourliness.
CBC News reports that "Carolyn Parrish [Canadian MP] was speaking to
reporters ....after most of the cameras were turned off, Parrish said 'Damn
Americans ... I hate those bastards.'"
Sign me, Always Wondered Who My Father Was - Guess He Was A Neighbour!
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LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I wish the current puppetee=
r in Wash. would take a lesson from history and TV and listen to our current=
Producer (Prime Minister) and learn what it is to value neighbourliness. &n=
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<BR>CBC News reports that "Carolyn Parrish [Canadian MP] was speaking to rep=
orters ....after most of the cameras were turned off, Parrish said 'Damn Ame=
ricans ... I hate those bastards.'"=20
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:42:59 -0800
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Ken, I'm so glad to see someone else has the same education philosophy
that I do. We have exposed our boys to as many different things as are
available here and they can take it or leave it. Oldest son at 23 is
still having trouble finding himself and has recently gone to Albuquerque
to visit my SIL and look for work. He is intending to relocate there if he
can sell his truck here. Youngest son is 9th grade and much more studious,
he is doing very well in school and hopes for a career in computer
something. He has long had an inventive mind and we have gotten him joined
up with an Inventors Club nearby. They are a bunch of old geezers who
totally dote on the kid who has joined their group.
I really hope that when the time comes my Dad goes the way of your
father-in-law. My sincere condolences to your wife and family. He sounds
like a really nice man and I'm sure he will be missed by his family.
Ninety is a long time to live but if a person is in reasonably good health.
Saw in the paper last week about a man from Maine who now lives somewhere
in NY. The oldest man in US at 112. This man live alone until he was 107
and it said he caught the attention of the local TV station when he was
seen shoveling off his porch roof at age 107. Ruth
At 9:27 PM -0500 2/27/03, Ken Follett wrote:
>> You think I'm joking, but I'm not.
>
>Sharpshooter: I see no joke.
>
>My wife went out to visit with, and look after, her father in Palo Alto
>last week. She was there alone with him while her sister, whom he had been
>living with, went off to visit her newest grand daughter. On Saturday my
>wife called to tell me that when he went to get into his wheel chair he
>fell to the floor. She hurt her back easing him down. Then had to get the
>neighbors to assist in getting him off the floor and back into bed. There
>was not much assistance that I could provide from home. On Sunday she
>called again and I asked her how he was doing. She paused, then told me
>that he had died a half hour previously. They had been listening to a mass
>on the radio and she was giving him sips of orange juice and he died.
>
>Ed Ronan was a gentle quiet guy in a way reminding me of Mr. Rogers. For
>twenty-plus years he worked for Texaco in Manhattan and was in charge of
>keeping track of the whereabouts of 55-gallon drums, so I have been told.
>He always enjoyed hearing about an interesting construction project, this
>I know for a fact, though I was often warned to be cautious in my
>conversation not to inadvertently let loose a blasphemy. He would be too
>polite to say that he was hurt. In my life he always lived somewhere else,
>so I never really got to know him. I have been told in some ways I am like
>him, though I doubt very many people ever see it that good. He was at
>peace with kids and spent a lot of his spare time supporting Kiwanis
>baseball. Ed lived a long life at 90 and died quietly. I am thankful that
>he did not ever indicate a desire to chase me away from his daughter,
>though the circumstances were a bit suspicious. My last time spent with
>Ed, on the weekend of his wife's memorial service, was at an assisted care
>facility where the single women his age seemed to be in a tizzy to look
>after him. The sharing of a bowl of stiff cafeteria jello can be a special
>kindness.
>
>I was talking with one of my unusual friends today and he shared with me
>his regret at the loss of his hero, Mr. Rogers. My friend keeps trying to
>retire, but finds that churches keep asking him to do more. At 63 my
>friend feels a bit pressed that his hero would die at 74. It is a natural
>occurence and I think Mr. Rogers would have talked with us about it if he
>were able. If there is a joke then it is because we are made nervous over
>reminders of our own mortality.
>
>As to Sesame Street or Mr. Rogers, they both came after my time, for me it
>was Shari Lewis and Howdy Doody. We have never pressed our son to SAT
>achievement. It would be against our ornery principles and
>counterproductive on his part. We have fed him with anything and
>everything that we have been able to gather to reflect his interest... if
>he reached towards a dinosaur then we cultivated dinosaurs, when he wanted
>to go fishing we took him fishing. Our primary goal has been for him to
>learn to survive. Sometimes it has simply been leaving things, like books,
>around the house for him to discover in his own time. I do not believe
>that he ever took a great deal of interest in Mr. Rogers... and having
>just asked him he tells me that though he watched Mr. Rogers a lot that in
>his opinion Sesame Street was much better.
>
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:13:46 EST
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Dear Mr. Okano:
I am deeply shocked by your suggestion that we should profit by $48,000,000
on poor Mr. Mustapha's untimely death, and have reported you to the FBI, CIA,
AIA, IEEE, ASID and Toys 'R Us. Please prepare to surrender yourself to our
Sargeant-At-Arms, Mr. Dan Becker, when he shows up.
Yr Obdnt Svnt, Kwame Nkrumah
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<BR>I am deeply shocked by your suggestion that we should profit by $48,000,=
000 on poor Mr. Mustapha's untimely death, and have reported you to the FBI,=
CIA, AIA, IEEE, ASID and Toys 'R Us. Please prepare to surrender your=
self to our Sargeant-At-Arms, Mr. Dan Becker, when he shows up.
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:57:21 -0800
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Subject: Re: Yup, "love is as perenial as the grass"
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In a message dated 2/28/03 2:51:50 PM, [log in to unmask] writes: I =
wish the current puppeteer in Wash. would take a lesson from history and =
TV and listen to our current Producer (Prime Minister) and learn what it =
is to value neighbourliness. =20
CBC News reports that "Carolyn Parrish [Canadian MP] was speaking to =
reporters ....after most of the cameras were turned off, Parrish said =
'Damn Americans ... I hate those bastards.'"=20
Yup, there are jerks everywhere. I wonder what TV she watched when she =
was a kid. I hope she is forced to resign. That actually happens =
here too when someone proves their ineptitude. The last one to resign =
was also a woman who bad-mouthed the good old hew-hes-hay last Fall. =
Is this a trend? Is it becoming a woman thing to do? I thought the =
fair sex was supposed to bring an attitude of gentle persuasion and =
motherliness to government once they were recognized as humans and =
allowed to vote.
This event reminds me of the famous "Uncle Don" moment on 1940's Chicago =
Saturday Morning Children's Radio when the famous and much beloved Uncle =
Don ended his syrupy network show with his usual sweet goodbyes and =
then, thinking the mike was off, was heard all across the nation to =
clearly say in a snarly voice "There, I hope that keeps the little =
bastards for another week!" That was the last of Uncle Don and I hope =
we have also heard the last of stupid Carolyn.
cp lamenting bad attitude in the Maple Tree
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writes: </FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
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<DIV>Yup, there are jerks everywhere. I wonder what TV she =
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resign. That=20
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ineptitude. The=20
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attitude of=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This event reminds me of the =
famous "Uncle=20
Don" moment on 1940's Chicago Saturday Morning Children's =
Radio when=20
the famous and much beloved Uncle Don ended his syrupy network show =
with=20
his usual sweet goodbyes and then, thinking the mike was off, was heard =
all=20
across the nation to clearly say in a snarly voice "There, I hope that =
keeps the=20
little bastards for another week!" That was the last of =
Uncle Don=20
and I hope we have also heard the last of stupid Carolyn.</FONT></DIV>
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