You answered your original question: "what the....?" Ornish looks good to the masses so anyone even taking the time to compare would be wasting their time. Typical s---! Maybe Ornish looks like he does because of his diet? LOL! Oliva ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dori Zook" <[log in to unmask]> >Ornish is a total washout... To US maybe, but he's tops on the media's contact list when it comes to stories on low-carb diets. Why? He preaches the exact opposite. Which makes sense. It's a news term called 'reax' (reaction), the first thing you get when something hits the fan. In his case, that's a new study or book. Remember all those stories on Atkins when Taubes' article came out? Ornish was interviewed and quoted left and right. Ornish has a face like a monkey's ass!