These are usually the same numnuts who think having a pet is slavery. I'd like them to remind me of that at 5:30 in the morning when the dog has to tinkle. The lab rat thing is very, very naive. Proof yet again of what happens when people have agendas and try to force them on other folks. Beth T. Subject: Re: peter singer again But when someone likes Peter Singer ignores human rights in favour of animal rights to the point of illogic, inanity, and silliness, I lose it. One example - when a group of animal rightists broke into a lab and released the lab rats into the wild, I shook my head. Those rats had never had been shown how to survive or gather food or keep from being easy prey. Not to mention their fur wouldn't camouflage them adequately and thus made them even easier prey. So where's the quality of life in that? Zero. Zip. Nada. Kat