Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from rly-xg03.mx.aol.com (rly-xg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.200]) by air-xg01.mail.aol.com (v87.22) with ESMTP id MAILINXG13-0815102823; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:28:23 -0400 Received: from cherry.ease.lsoft.com (cherry.ease.lsoft.com [209.119.0.109]) by rly-xg03.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXG36-0815102811; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:28:11 -0400 Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by cherry.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:28:32 -0400 Received: from MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU by MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 1159988 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:28:51 -0500 Approved-By: [log in to unmask] Received: from app6.nasc.inter.net (203.176.60.253) by maelstrom.stjohns.edu (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 5:13:48 -0500 Received: from ip2-237.vancbc01g01.dialup.ca.telus.com ([207.6.103.237] helo=ridley) by app6.nasc.inter.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17fGh0-0003w2-00 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:13:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:18:46 -0700 Reply-To: Low-Carbohydrate Technical Discussion <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Low-Carbohydrate Technical Discussion <[log in to unmask]> From: Leanne Ridley <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [LOWCARB] Medline story about lowcarb diets causing kidney stones? To: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> I am SO unimpressed by such a biased, sloppy, unprofessional, intellectually dishonest study. 2 weeks! it's not enough to determine *anything* except loss of water weight! Recall the 2 studies posted by Nicolai, both being 6 week studies (much more reliable): 1) J Nutr 2002 Jul;132(7):1879-85 A ketogenic diet favorably affects serum biomarkers for cardiovascular disease in normal-weight men. 2) Metabolism 2002 Jul;51(7):864-70 Volek JS, et al. Body composition and hormonal responses to a carbohydrate-restricted diet. (in the second, they indicate an *increase* in lean body mass, which puts paid to Ms. Tallmadge's dippy theory) As well, there is the following Kuwaiti 12-week study which showed a *transient* increase in urea and uric acid only; after 4 weeks, the level dropped back to normal. Effect of Ketogenic Diet in the Reduction of Body Weight in Obese Patients. Hussein M Dashti, Yousef Y Bo-Abbas, Sami K Asfar, Abdulla I Behbahani, Mousa A Khoursheed, Hilal M Al-Sayer, Nagi S Al-Zaid Dept of Surgery, Fac of Med, Kuwait Univ, Kuwait, Kuwait, Kuwait; Dept of Med, Fac of Med, Kuwait Univ, Kuwait, Kuwait, Kuwait; Dept of Physiology, Fac of Med, Kuwait Univ, Kuwait, Kuwait, Kuwait To determine the long-term effects of ketogenic diet (consisting of 30 gms carbohydrate, 1gm/kg body weight protein, 20% polysaturated, 80% polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat) in obese patients following the administration for a period of twelve weeks. In this study sixty-three obese patients (body mass index > 30kg/m2) with a high glucose and cholesterol level were selected. Female: male ratio was 2:1. The fasting blood sugar, total cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol, HDL-cholesterol, triglycerides, Na+, K+, urea, uric acid and creatinine levels of these patients were determined before and after the administration of the ketogenic diet. Changes in these parameters were monitored at weekly interval for twelve weeks. There was a significant reduction in all the parameters examined (p <0.001), except in the level of Na+, K+, and creatinine, while the level of HDL-cholesterol significantly increased. The level of urea and uric acid increased transiently during the 2nd and the 3rd week and returned to normal level during the 4th week. These levels remained constant from 4th to the 12th week. Interestingly, there was a significant reduction in body weight (99 +/- 2.8 to 80 + 3.0 kg). The level of triglycerides (2.74 +/-1.2 to 1.2 +/- 0.5 mmol/L), cholesterol (5.4 +/- 0.14 to 4.72 +/- 0.28 mmol/L), LDL (4.13 +/- 0.14 to 3.1 + 0.12 mmol/L) and glucose (7.7 +/- 0.5 to 5.2 +/- 0.43 mmol/L) also significantly decreased. The level of HDL showed a significant increase from 1.08 +/- 1.01 to 1.3 +/- 0.1 mmol/L. In conclusion: - Ketogenic diet acts as a natural therapy for weight reduction in obese patients. It significantly reduced the level of triglycerides, total cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol and glucose whereas the level of HDL increased in these patients. The side effect of other drugs commonly used for the reduction of body weight in such patients is not observed in patients who were on Ketogenic diet. These results indicate that the administration of ketogenic diet for relatively long period is safe to follow.