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> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:43 PM
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> Subject: And, please explain...
>=20
>=20
> ...why (Dan, or was it Ken?) you have to mortar the joints of=20
> Belgian block in street paving. Why not have them laid in=20
> sand, if its only a parking strip? Then you can get more=20
> ground water for the street trees, and pickup/takedown is=20
> easier for utility access. Or is it?=20
Ken said mortar between. I (and Ken) said concrete road base below. You
didn't specify "only" parking strips. You're quite correct about the
benefits of doing it without concrete base.=20
It can be done without a concrete base below, but it takes extensive
preparation to make sure that the road bed does not settle. You have to
deal with soil inconsistencies through relentless compaction, proper
sub-surface drainage to avoid freeze/thaw heave, with geotextile fabrics
in the right places to keep the stone dust setting bed from migrating
through the gravel sub-base, careful setting of the blocks, making sure
you get them set tight with minimal joints and work the stone dust
between all the joints...a few missed joints, or half-filled joints, and
it will start to loosen up. Like most endeavors, there are fewer capable
designers, contractors, and craft folk around that can actually
successfully do it than there are projects. Therefore, you end up with
failures where the design/work wasn't done properly. DOTs tend to only
remember the failures, which then turn into maintenance nightmares. And
even when done right the first time, when they return for your utility
access, the folks that put it back don't know what they are doing and it
ends up a mess too.
And of course, those street trees you are watering through the paving?
Their roots naturally go to the water. Then the roots start to grow
because they are finding the water. They get bigger, and bigger, and
bigger. The road heaves. DOT gets mad and says "No more belgian block
parking strips."
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> What I=20
> really cannot stand is a 76 degree Christmas Day.
Aren't you glad not to be david west's neighbor, then.
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positive and negative relates to the pressure on the wall created by the
water, e.g.:
water trying to get into the building - positive pressure on the outside
face of the wall and negative pressure on the inside face of the wall.
Generally easier to waterproof on the positive side, during construction,
and negative pressure after construction is complete.
Also, the materials for positive side are simpler - tar, membranes, drainage
mat etc. Negative side generally relies on the integrity of the wall being
waterproofed - which often is weak due to long term "water infiltration".
Materials such as Xypex work on limited substrates in good condition. My
opinion in many situations is let the water in and then manage it.
Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed again
Eric Hammarberg
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Associate
LZA Technology
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Telephone: 917.661.8160 (Direct)
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John,
I've known the term, "positive drainage", as in make the water flow away
from the building. I assume "negative drainage" would mean to make the
water flow toward the building...or do describe that situation.
"Waterproofing"? Got me. That's something people who deal in new
buildings believe in. Sort of like "maintenance free".
-jc
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> Could someone explain "negative and positive waterproofing."
>
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Ralf, I hope you will give us all a big salute while your on the little
screen.
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From: Ralph Walter [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:11 PM
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Ralph, Check local cemeteries for overgrown gravestone with approximate
date. Ruth
Ruth,
I'm breaking a sweat shaking my head trying to figure this one out. Not a
pretty sight.
However, you (and any of the other Pinheads with nothing better to do) can
see my shining face (and that of Mrs. Ralph, and pix of the little Ralphs)
on Tues between 8 and 8:30 AM on Good Monring America (or Armenia?), trying
to explain to the nation why it's unreasonable to expect husbands to do
anything more than change light bulbs and kill spiders, and why you wives
should be grateful that we do that much.
I may have more sympathy for Dubya after this.
Ralph
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ralph Walter
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 16, 2002 10:11
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breaking a sweat shaking my head trying to figure this one out. Not a
pretty sight.<BR><BR>However, you (and any of the other Pinheads with nothing
better to do) can see my shining face (and that of Mrs. Ralph, and pix of the
little Ralphs) on Tues between 8 and 8:30 AM on Good Monring America (or
Armenia?), trying to explain to the nation why it's unreasonable to expect
husbands to do anything more than change light bulbs and kill spiders, and why
you wives should be grateful that we do that much.<BR>I may have more sympathy
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> Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed again
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>
...get a grip, man! Sign me, Rollo Dex
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> Ralf, I hope you will give us all a big salute while your
> on the little screen.
Bob,
How about I do it on the radio? There would be more than "Chore Wars" if I did a Pinhead Salute on GMA.
But thanks for the suggestion.
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In a message dated Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:05:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed
> again
>
> Eric Hammarberg
>
>
> ...get a grip, man! Sign me, Rollo Dex
I was wondering whether I should add a PS to all my emails saying that my direct phone and fax numbers are still the same, and then it occurred to me that if Eric changes his underwear as often as his phone and fax numbers, we're all in the wrong business.
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Sorry y'all, guess that message has been on a while. No more tho.
Eric
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Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 12:20 PM
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In a message dated Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:05:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed
> again
>
> Eric Hammarberg
>
>
> ...get a grip, man! Sign me, Rollo Dex
I was wondering whether I should add a PS to all my emails saying that my
direct phone and fax numbers are still the same, and then it occurred to me
that if Eric changes his underwear as often as his phone and fax numbers,
we're all in the wrong business.
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That is quite disapointing, I guess that you are embareassed of showing you
pinhead association to therest of the world.
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In a message dated Mon, 19 Aug 2002 8:09:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Ralf, I hope you will give us all a big salute while your
> on the little screen.
Bob,
How about I do it on the radio? There would be more than "Chore Wars" if I
did a Pinhead Salute on GMA.
But thanks for the suggestion.
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Ralf, I hope you will give us all a big salute =
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In a message dated Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:17:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> That is quite disapointing, I guess that you are embareassed of showing you pinhead association to the rest of the world.
Bob,
I'm not ashamed of knowing you, and only a little ashamed of your spelling.
But if you think that in addition to revealing to the whole country that I'm a lousy husband and father, and THEN give a Pinhead salute and embare-ass myself on national TV, you're mistaken.
I may be stupid, but I'm not dumb. Or is it the other way around? Nor am I Stanley Tucci (or his tuches, for those of you who appreciate interlingual puns), either. I have more hair.
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Ralph, perhaps you can have your children give the salute for you. Would
that be less embareassing?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Walter [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:12 PM
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Subject: Re: Mucus Mining in Window of Opportunity
In a message dated Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:17:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> That is quite disapointing, I guess that you are embareassed of showing
you pinhead association to the rest of the world.
Bob,
I'm not ashamed of knowing you, and only a little ashamed of your spelling.
But if you think that in addition to revealing to the whole country that I'm
a lousy husband and father, and THEN give a Pinhead salute and embare-ass
myself on national TV, you're mistaken.
I may be stupid, but I'm not dumb. Or is it the other way around? Nor am I
Stanley Tucci (or his tuches, for those of you who appreciate interlingual
puns), either. I have more hair.
Ralph
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Ralph Walter [<A =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> That is quite disapointing, I guess that you are =
embareassed of showing you pinhead association to the rest of the =
world.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bob,</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'm not ashamed of knowing you, and only a little =
ashamed of your spelling.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>But if you think that in addition to revealing to the =
whole country that I'm a lousy husband and father, and THEN give a =
Pinhead salute and embare-ass myself on national TV, you're =
mistaken.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I may be stupid, but I'm not dumb. Or is it the =
other way around? Nor am I Stanley Tucci (or his tuches, for =
those of you who appreciate interlingual puns), either. I have =
more hair.</FONT></P>
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> And here I thought you and I had already met every asshole in New York
> City.
Ralph,
I remember when I first moved here someone remarking how you can never get to
the end of NY in a thousand lifetimes. I suppose it goes as well for the
abundance of assholes. So, let us now hear about really nice people in NY
lest Ruth be confirmed in her desire to not visit.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And here I thought you and I had already met every asshole in New York City.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Ralph,<BR>
<BR>
I remember when I first moved here someone remarking how you can never get to the end of NY in a thousand lifetimes. I suppose it goes as well for the abundance of assholes. So, let us now hear about really nice people in NY lest Ruth be confirmed in her desire to not visit.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:54:34 EDT
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In a message dated 8/16/2002 8:07:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Who was it at IPTW in front of the courthouse that stated,
We used to have a slate roofing subcontractor (he long since burnt down a
church and, in unrelated complicatinos, got in trouble with the IRS and fled
to unknown locations -- yet he was a nice enough guy despite a few problems),
anyways, he came down from the rural Catskills to work on a twin set of
copper turrets and a slate roof for us in Brooklyn. Honestly did an excellent
job. Well, he hired a few guys local from the community. I like the idea of
hiring local. So one day he goes in his truck to the hardware store and asks
the local fellow he had hired if he would watch the truck. "Yeah, sure, mon!"
A few minutes later he came out of the hardware store to find his truck with
all of his tools gone and no helper. I was not sure which I found more
interesting, that he had left the guy with his truck and tools, or that he
did not believe anyone would ever do that to him.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/16/2002 8:07:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Who was it at IPTW in front of the courthouse that stated, </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
We used to have a slate roofing subcontractor (he long since burnt down a church and, in unrelated complicatinos, got in trouble with the IRS and fled to unknown locations -- yet he was a nice enough guy despite a few problems), anyways, he came down from the rural Catskills to work on a twin set of copper turrets and a slate roof for us in Brooklyn. Honestly did an excellent job. Well, he hired a few guys local from the community. I like the idea of hiring local. So one day he goes in his truck to the hardware store and asks the local fellow he had hired if he would watch the truck. "Yeah, sure, mon!" A few minutes later he came out of the hardware store to find his truck with all of his tools gone and no helper. I was not sure which I found more interesting, that he had left the guy with his truck and tools, or that he did not believe anyone would ever do that to him.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:10:22 EDT
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In a message dated 8/17/2002 4:07:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Could someone explain "negative and positive waterproofing."
John,
Negative is when you do it from the inside face of the wall, positive is when
you do it from the outside, with the provision that outside is the side the
water is on. In the case of a cistern it can get more complicated. Negative
allows the wall to get wet.
Rather than disturbing the soil around a foundation you could also drill a
series of well points around the perimeter of the buidling and suck the
watertable down. Sometimes exterior measures are not optimal options and
negative waterproofing is the way to go. I'm thinking in particular regarding
two levels below grade with a concrete parking garage.
An interesting problem we had, and counquered, was application of sealant
(Sonneborn) to the joints in a swimming pool whose bottom, on the beach, is
lower than the LI sound. This, I suppose, was neither positive not negative,
but changed polarity with the tide. The pool kept leaking, and divers would
go in with plastic wrap and see where it would get sucked to. When the pool
was drained only half the pool could be expected to be above tide at any
time... which required that we had to pump the other half fast enough to keep
ahead of the tide, to quickly dry the masonry, and to apply sealant quickly.
It took us a few years to perfect the solution which consisted of a
redundancy of two levels of sealant.
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Could someone explain "negative and positive waterproofing."</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
Negative is when you do it from the inside face of the wall, positive is when you do it from the outside, with the provision that outside is the side the water is on. In the case of a cistern it can get more complicated. Negative allows the wall to get wet.<BR>
<BR>
Rather than disturbing the soil around a foundation you could also drill a series of well points around the perimeter of the buidling and suck the watertable down. Sometimes exterior measures are not optimal options and negative waterproofing is the way to go. I'm thinking in particular regarding two levels below grade with a concrete parking garage.<BR>
<BR>
An interesting problem we had, and counquered, was application of sealant (Sonneborn) to the joints in a swimming pool whose bottom, on the beach, is lower than the LI sound. This, I suppose, was neither positive not negative, but changed polarity with the tide. The pool kept leaking, and divers would go in with plastic wrap and see where it would get sucked to. When the pool was drained only half the pool could be expected to be above tide at any time... which required that we had to pump the other half fast enough to keep ahead of the tide, to quickly dry the masonry, and to apply sealant quickly. It took us a few years to perfect the solution which consisted of a redundancy of two levels of sealant.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:22:35 EDT
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In a message dated 8/17/2002 6:43:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> ...why (Dan, or was it Ken?) you have to mortar the joints of Belgian block
> in street paving. Why not have them laid in sand, if its only a parking
> strip?
The stones will rattle around and grind each other down in time, particularly
if the sand washes out, which in the city it will certainly do -- trucks are
not as easy to accomodate a durable road for as with horses or people. As to
drainage, the layers that are put down below the stones already prohibit
movement of water. If water collects below the stones I imagine they will
frost heave. If the stones are NOT used for traffic pavement, like for
trucks, but in a sidewalk let us say, then there is not as much a need for
sub-layers, they can be set on sand and pointed with sand, just like with
rural paving brick. Problem is if there is no stabilized control of the
sub-bed of the stones/bricks, and if trucks do drive over them, then they
will tend to sink into the ground. Another option is to put down a layer of
compacted stone dust, which is kind of like stone, but consists of crushed
stone, usually limestone, and then set the cobbles on them.
> So he dug up an old Studebaker design, c. 1895, for a horse drawn street
> sweeper, and had it built.
Kool!
> I didn't think they had that out here in the East.
I've seen heat lightening in the Finger Lakes.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/17/2002 6:43:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">...why (Dan, or was it Ken?) you have to mortar the joints of Belgian block in street paving. Why not have them laid in sand, if its only a parking strip? </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">The stones will rattle around and grind each other down in time, particularly if the sand washes out, which in the city it will certainly do -- trucks are not as easy to accomodate a durable road for as with horses or people. As to drainage, the layers that are put down below the stones already prohibit movement of water. If water collects below the stones I imagine they will frost heave. If the stones are NOT used for traffic pavement, like for trucks, but in a sidewalk let us say, then there is not as much a need for sub-layers, they can be set on sand and pointed with sand, just like with rural paving brick. Problem is if there is no stabilized control of the sub-bed of the stones/bricks, and if trucks do drive over them, then they will tend to sink into the ground. Another option is to put down a layer of compacted stone dust, which is kind of like stone, but consists of crushed stone, usually limestone, and then set the cobbles on them.<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So he dug up an old Studebaker design, c. 1895, for a horse drawn street sweeper, and had it built. </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Kool!<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I didn't think they had that out here in the East.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I've seen heat lightening in the Finger Lakes.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:29:34 EDT
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In a message dated 8/19/2002 5:47:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> And of course, those street trees you are watering through the paving?
Yes... I agree with everything Dan has said here.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And of course, those street trees you are watering through the paving?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:31:13 EDT
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In a message dated 8/19/2002 6:11:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Ralf, I hope you will give us all a big salute while your on the little
> screen.
Keep in mind that there IS THE POLITE VERSION OF THE SALUTE as per Mr. Gray &
Mr. Follett greeting each other in the crowd at Town Hall.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/19/2002 6:11:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ralf, I hope you will give us all a big salute while your on the little screen.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:35:08 EDT
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In a message dated 8/19/2002 9:05:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed again
Christopher,
Is this an example of obsessive-compulsive behaviour (moving from desk to
desk not quite happy with the feel of one chair over another)... or is it
that Eric's firm just does not want anyone to think that he is not always on
the move? Possibly they could assign him a number to move with him?
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/19/2002 9:05:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed again </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
Christopher,<BR>
<BR>
Is this an example of obsessive-compulsive behaviour (moving from desk to desk not quite happy with the feel of one chair over another)... or is it that Eric's firm just does not want anyone to think that he is not always on the move? Possibly they could assign him a number to move with him?<BR>
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In a message dated 8/19/2002 10:03:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Sorry y'all, guess that message has been on a while. No more tho.
Damn... there goes all the fun.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Sorry y'all, guess that message has been on a while. No more tho.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:40:18 EDT
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In a message dated 8/19/2002 11:17:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Pinhead salute and embare-ass myself on national TV, you're mistaken.
>
Oh, Ralph, it snot as bad as it seems!
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Pinhead salute and embare-ass myself on national TV, you're mistaken.<BR>
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In a message dated 8/19/2002 11:26:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Ralph, perhaps you can have your children give the salute for you. Would
> that be less embareassing?
Mini-Ralphs?
Goldmember had me laughing all the way through. Trying to quietly laugh my
son asked several times if I was all right. Very peurile!
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ralph, perhaps you can have your children give the salute for you. Would that be less embareassing?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Mini-Ralphs?<BR>
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Goldmember had me laughing all the way through. Trying to quietly laugh my son asked several times if I was all right. Very peurile!<BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:49:16 -0400
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Follett
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:31 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Sand Mining in Window of Opportunity
>=20
>=20
> Keep in mind that there IS THE POLITE VERSION OF THE SALUTE=20
> as per Mr. Gray & Mr. Follett greeting each other in the=20
> crowd at Town Hall.
I really really hope one of us is a geeky techhead that can tape this
thing tomorrow, digitize it, and post the .mpeg on PigHabit. I have a
commission meeting at 7:30 AM tomorrow and will be otherwise occupied
during the divine moment.
________________________________________________________
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Raleigh Historic the cotton pickin' curtain on
Districts Commission my toe bone?" =20
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> Ralph, perhaps you can have your children give the salute for you. Would
> that be less embareassing? .
>
Bob,
That's a lovely idea, but they'll be watching from the Summit office (the
fuckers wouldn't let us bring our snots with us). Besides which, since
they're not Pinheads, they aren't entitled to give the salute themselves.
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<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ralph, perhaps you can have your children give the salute for you. Would that be less embareassing?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> .<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Bob,<BR>
<BR>
That's a lovely idea, but they'll be watching from the Summit office (the fuckers wouldn't let us bring our snots with us). Besides which, since they're not Pinheads, they aren't entitled to give the salute themselves.<BR>
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> So, let us now hear about really nice people in NY lest Ruth be confirmed in
> her desire to not visit.
>
Well, that subject won't last long.
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<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So, let us now hear about really nice people in NY lest Ruth be confirmed in her desire to not visit.<BR>
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How about Mrs. Ralf, I would be willing to vote yes for a one day pinhead
membership so that she could salute us.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:40 PM
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In a message dated 8/19/02 2:26:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Ralph, perhaps you can have your children give the salute for you. Would
that be less embareassing? .
Bob,
That's a lovely idea, but they'll be watching from the Summit office (the
fuckers wouldn't let us bring our snots with us). Besides which, since
they're not Pinheads, they aren't entitled to give the salute themselves.
Ralph
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<DIV><SPAN class=231264721-19082002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>How
about Mrs. Ralf, I would be willing to vote yes for a one day pinhead membership
so that she could salute us.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ralph Walter
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 19, 2002 4:40
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Re: Mucus Mining in Window of Opportunity<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT
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<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
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you. Would that be less embareassing?</FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> .<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Bob,<BR><BR>That's a lovely idea, but they'll be watching
from the Summit office (the fuckers wouldn't let us bring our snots with
us). Besides which, since they're not Pinheads, they aren't entitled to
give the salute themselves.<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:44:40 EDT
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In a message dated 8/19/02 4:31:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
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> Keep in mind that there IS THE POLITE VERSION OF THE SALUTE as per Mr. Gray &
> Mr. Follett greeting each other in the crowd at Town Hall.
>
Kindly enlighten us while there's still time. We get picked up at 5 AM.
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<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Keep in mind that there IS THE POLITE VERSION OF THE SALUTE as per Mr. Gray & Mr. Follett greeting each other in the crowd at Town Hall.<BR>
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Kindly enlighten us while there's still time. We get picked up at 5 AM.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:47:20 EDT
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> Oh, Ralph, it snot as bad as it seems!
>
>
Yeah, but my ass would be embared. And that's snot a pretty sight. Which
would truly be a site for sore eyes.
Trust me.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/19/02 4:40:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Oh, Ralph, it snot as bad as it seems!<BR>
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Yeah, but my ass would be embared. And that's snot a pretty sight. Which would truly be a site for sore eyes.<BR>
<BR>
Trust me.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:49:12 EDT
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In a message dated 8/19/02 4:43:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
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> Goldmember had me laughing all the way through. Trying to quietly laugh my
> son asked several times if I was all right. Very peurile!
>
Mrs. Ralph thinks she wants to see it, but some of the Little Ralphs think
it's too childish. If not peurile, penile, prenile, or penal.
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<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Goldmember had me laughing all the way through. Trying to quietly laugh my son asked several times if I was all right. Very peurile!<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
Mrs. Ralph thinks she wants to see it, but some of the Little Ralphs think it's too childish. If not peurile, penile, prenile, or penal.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:01:26 EDT
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In a message dated 8/19/02 5:46:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> How about Mrs. Ralf, I would be willing to vote yes for a one day pinhead
> membership so that she could salute us.
>
She'll be so happy! Wait till I tell her!
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/19/02 5:46:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">How about Mrs. Ralf, I would be willing to vote yes for a one day pinhead membership so that she could salute us.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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She'll be so happy! Wait till I tell her!<BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:22:51 EDT
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Subject: Finally got most of the wax off the screens on the porch...
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...in the Vineyard. But now the c. 1952 concrete floors are a problem. They
were originally painted green, then in 1999 painted again. But the 1999
paint job is failing, albeit only in areas where the glides on the chairs
rub. But it is quite noticeable (should have done the 1999 work in the same
green, but didn't think that far ahead).
The painting was done by an excellent island painter (Alcatraz? Devils's?
No, Martha's Vineyard.) who doesn't really say much except that they really
should be repainted every two or three years (@$1200 the pair).
I've been toying with the idea of a) marrying someone with a house with
porches with wooden floors and b) stripping all the paint off, exposing the
"natural" concrete (which appears to be a nice sand color). What's wrong
with that? Stains? Dirt? Any low-maintenance ideas (but don't suggest
marrying a painter).
Sign me, Please No More Wax
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>...in the Vineyard. But now the c. 1952 concrete floors are a problem. They were originally painted green, then in 1999 painted again. But the 1999 paint job is failing, albeit only in areas where the glides on the chairs rub. But it is quite noticeable (should have done the 1999 work in the same green, but didn't think that far ahead).
<BR>
<BR>The painting was done by an excellent island painter (Alcatraz? Devils's? No, Martha's Vineyard.) who doesn't really say much except that they really should be repainted every two or three years (@$1200 the pair).
<BR>
<BR>I've been toying with the idea of a) marrying someone with a house with porches with wooden floors and b) stripping all the paint off, exposing the "natural" concrete (which appears to be a nice sand color). What's wrong with that? Stains? Dirt? Any low-maintenance ideas (but don't suggest marrying a painter).
<BR>
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Subject: Re: Finally got most of the wax off the screens on the porch...
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In a message dated 8/19/02 10:23:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Sign me, Please No More Wax
How do you propose to get a straight bikini line?
Ralph
PS-- Take off the paint and fuhgeddaboudit.
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<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Sign me, Please No More Wax </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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How do you propose to get a straight bikini line?<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
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Great topics to cheer me up this morning....
Bill: I wonder if anyone knows if the information on balloon-framing is
in any published reference book on the history of building technology.
I'm sure I can't find the vintage LIFE magazine you referenced.
Ralph: I missed your show, so I hope it is taped and distributed. I'm
sure I won't agree with anything you said, but at least I would be able
to put the face to the schtick.
And, finally, a new movie to recommend: Sunshine State, a humorous,
politically correct interpretation of the issues of anti-sprawl
development in, where else but, the Sunshine State. One comment made
during a public forum for citizen input was that when the
preservationists support the community, the environmentalists can't be
far behind. Almost as long as The Fast Runner, at least the actors do
not all look alike.
Ilene R. Tyler
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> Subject: Finally got most of the wax off the screens on the porch...
>=20
>=20
> I've been toying with the idea of a) marrying someone with a=20
> house with porches with wooden floors=20
=20
If you think paint peeling from concrete is an expensive maintenance
chore, you might want to follow through on this idea to give yourself
some perspective on the matter....
> b) stripping all=20
> the paint off, exposing the "natural" concrete (which appears=20
> to be a nice sand color). What's wrong with that? Stains? =20
> Dirt? Any low-maintenance ideas (but don't suggest marrying=20
> a painter).=20
Plain concrete would be fine. An occasional gentle power wash with mild
detergent will take care of any stains and dirt that will accumulate;
but get someone that knows what they are doing...don't let them
hydro-mine the floor. Especially don't let someone try to talk you into
removing the paint with a power washer.=20
You probably won't be able to get all the paint film off everywhere
without some erosion of the concrete floor; what will the surface look
like then? You'll probably have some paint left somewhere...the surface
finish won't be as uniform as you would wish it to be.
Consider a fluid-applied acrylic elastomeric coating. I've been very
pleased with its performance on my concrete front porch...tough,
flexible, durable in color, long-wearing, easily renewed. You want to be
certain that your prep work is flawless, but once you get it down tight,
it'll stay for good. Unless you are an abuser; then nothing is safe.=20
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In a message dated Tue, 20 Aug 2002 7:58:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Ralph: I missed your show, so I hope it is taped and distributed. I'm sure I won't agree with anything you said, but at least I would be able to put the face to the schtick.
Ilene,
Our secretary taped it, and all we gotta do is figure out how to convert it to DVD. Technogeeks, stand forth!
My poil of wisdom dribbled forth in response to a question asking whether Chore Wars spill over into the bedroom, especially if the husband's sitting on his ass drinking beer all day and the wife has done laundry, shopping, diapers, etc. etc. etc on and on forever.
I agreed that the Chore Wars do spill over into that sphere, and pointed out (in so many words) that if the wives would put out a little more often, there was a good chance that the husbands would be a little more helpful.
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> Any low-maintenance ideas
Parking garage traffic deck coating.
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In a message dated 8/20/2002 7:23:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> ...if the wives would put out a little more often, there was a good chance
> that the husbands would be a little more helpful.
I saw Ralph's brief cameo of television infamy, and will add to the above,
the wife of another couple was going on how she often holds back at night to
teach her husband a lesson... if he has enough energy for sex, then he should
have enough energy to help with the chores. Ralph's perky Ralphian comment
was more to the effect, if one does not hold back then possibly everyone
might do more chores.
Mrs. Ralph remarked how a true 50:50 split could not be calculated between
husband and wife as it is not possible to compare washing dishes to looking
to the emotional needs of a child.
I did not think that the program was balanced to handle the intelligence of
the Walter team.
What was not looked into further, but seemed obvious, is that what one half
of a couple thinks needs to be done in order to maintain family is not what
the other half may think. One woman was very clear in defense of her husband
stating that they were both working towards the same goal and that the health
of his business goes directly to the health of the family. There was looking
into the fold the clothes, not fold the clothes male incompetency thing,
which goes as well for clean out the gutters, not clean out the gutters.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">...if the wives would put out a little more often, there was a good chance that the husbands would be a little more helpful.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
I saw Ralph's brief cameo of television infamy, and will add to the above, the wife of another couple was going on how she often holds back at night to teach her husband a lesson... if he has enough energy for sex, then he should have enough energy to help with the chores. Ralph's perky Ralphian comment was more to the effect, if one does not hold back then possibly everyone might do more chores. <BR>
<BR>
Mrs. Ralph remarked how a true 50:50 split could not be calculated between husband and wife as it is not possible to compare washing dishes to looking to the emotional needs of a child.<BR>
<BR>
I did not think that the program was balanced to handle the intelligence of the Walter team.<BR>
<BR>
What was not looked into further, but seemed obvious, is that what one half of a couple thinks needs to be done in order to maintain family is not what the other half may think. One woman was very clear in defense of her husband stating that they were both working towards the same goal and that the health of his business goes directly to the health of the family. There was looking into the fold the clothes, not fold the clothes male incompetency thing, which goes as well for clean out the gutters, not clean out the gutters.<BR>
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And don't forget the dogged investigative reporting into the area of clothes
folding sabotage! (Doing it wrong so you wouldn't be asked to do it again.)
It was great that they put Ralph front and center. He does clean up nicely,
doesn't he? (I think I've only seen him in flannel plaid shirt and cords,
not the black suit and shoes look.)
Ralph - after your comment early in the piece did they turn off your mike?
Bruce
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In a message dated 8/20/2002 7:23:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
...if the wives would put out a little more often, there was a good chance
that the husbands would be a little more helpful.
I saw Ralph's brief cameo of television infamy, and will add to the above,
the wife of another couple was going on how she often holds back at night to
teach her husband a lesson... if he has enough energy for sex, then he
should have enough energy to help with the chores. Ralph's perky Ralphian
comment was more to the effect, if one does not hold back then possibly
everyone might do more chores.
Mrs. Ralph remarked how a true 50:50 split could not be calculated between
husband and wife as it is not possible to compare washing dishes to looking
to the emotional needs of a child.
I did not think that the program was balanced to handle the intelligence of
the Walter team.
What was not looked into further, but seemed obvious, is that what one half
of a couple thinks needs to be done in order to maintain family is not what
the other half may think. One woman was very clear in defense of her husband
stating that they were both working towards the same goal and that the
health of his business goes directly to the health of the family. There was
looking into the fold the clothes, not fold the clothes male incompetency
thing, which goes as well for clean out the gutters, not clean out the
gutters.
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<DIV><SPAN class=800481916-20082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>And
don't forget the dogged investigative reporting into the area of clothes folding
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will add to the above, the wife of another couple was going on how she often
holds back at night to teach her husband a lesson... if he has enough energy for
sex, then he should have enough energy to help with the chores. Ralph's perky
Ralphian comment was more to the effect, if one does not hold back then possibly
everyone might do more chores. <BR><BR>Mrs. Ralph remarked how a true 50:50
split could not be calculated between husband and wife as it is not possible to
compare washing dishes to looking to the emotional needs of a child.<BR><BR>I
did not think that the program was balanced to handle the intelligence of the
Walter team.<BR><BR>What was not looked into further, but seemed obvious, is
that what one half of a couple thinks needs to be done in order to maintain
family is not what the other half may think. One woman was very clear in defense
of her husband stating that they were both working towards the same goal and
that the health of his business goes directly to the health of the family. There
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> the porch...
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>> In a message dated 8/19/2002 7:23:30 PM Pacific Daylight=20
>> Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
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>> Any low-maintenance ideas
> Parking garage traffic deck coating.=20
Isn't this also known as fluid-applied acrylic elastomeric coating?
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Ken Follett wrote:
>
>
> I did not think that the program was balanced to handle the
> intelligence of the Walter team.
After according to ABCnews.com, "The American Family" is brought to you
by Kmart. My question is, before appering on the show did they tell
the HC that the title of the segment would be "Are Chore Wars Drying Up
Your Sex Life?" Was it really worth a 5am limo ride?
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program was balanced to handle the intelligence of the Walter team.</font></font></blockquote>
After according to ABCnews.com, "The American Family" is brought to you
by Kmart. My question is, before appering on the show did they
tell the HC that the title of the segment would be "Are Chore Wars Drying
Up Your Sex Life?" Was it really worth a 5am limo ride?
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> Ralph - after your comment early in the piece did they turn
> off your mike?
Wha
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> > Parking garage traffic deck coating.
>
> Isn't this also known as fluid-applied acrylic elastomeric
> coating?
At the high end of the market, yes.
Ralph
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In a message dated Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:43:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> . My question is, before appering on the show did they tell the HC that the title of the segment would be "Are Chore Wars Drying Up Your Sex Life?" Was it really worth a 5am limo
> ride?
Mitch,
We knew that They were going to delve into this specific area. Whether it was worth the ride is hard to say, but it was not a bad change [you will NEVER hear me use those 4 words together again] to drag my ass out of bed at the Old Time again--I got up at 4:40 AM for 12 years until very recently, so I could be at work in NY at 7:00 AM , so I could leave at 4 and feed babies.
The 5 AM limo ride was nicer than the 5:50 bus ride, and cheaper (to me, at least); Mrs Ralph took the limo home, and I waddled over to work. One could live with being driven to work as a way of life, and in fact the bank presidents and bigshot Wall Streeters in our town somehow manage to put up with it. Not necessarily at 5 AM, but then again Charles Gibson of GMA used to live near us, and he musta gotten up and been driven in then, if not earlier.
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Dear Mr. Sensitive,
I thought that your being the most formally dressed person in the group lent
a certain "gravitas" to your comments. I was very disappointed that they
didn't put up a screen shot of you and Mrs. Ralph with all the little
Ralphs.
Lisa
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> I agreed that the Chore Wars do spill over into that sphere, and pointed
out (in so many words) that if the wives would put out a little more often,
there was a good chance that the husbands would be a little more helpful.
>
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When are all of these assholes going to die? Every one of them have some damn
deceased person in their family. He obviously has me mixed up with Dubya. I'm
not the president. I'm nobody.
> ATTN:The president
>
> l am sorry for the embarrassment, this my letter might cause you as we have
> not had any correspondence before this letter. I got your emailaddress from
> a reliable source. I carried out an extensive search andenquiry through the
> Nigerian chamber of commerce and also the Nigerianexport promotion council
> after the extensive search and enquiry, youraddress was given to me with
> very high recommendations by the two earliermentioned establishments.
> Although I did not disclose my major intentionsbecause of it's top level
> confidential nature. I only told them thatI was in search of a plastic
> processing company, which I want to investin. I really want to invest in
> plastic processing industry since it isa very lucrative business. My major
> motive is to invest in your countrythrough a reliable and trustworthy
> foreigner. l am DR. MRS MARIAM ABACHA, wife of the late Nigeria Head of
> State,GeneralSanni Abacha who died on the 8th of June, 1998 while still on
> active duty I am contacting you in view of the fact that we will be of
> greathelp to each other and also develop a cordial business
> relationship.lcurrently have within my reach the sum of Fifty-five Million
> US DollarsUS$55,000,000.00)cash which l intend to use for investment, like
> Real EstateDevelopmentspecifically in your country. This money came as a
> payback contract deal between my late husband anda Russian Firm on
> ourcountries multi-billion dollars Ajaokuta Steel Plant.The Russian
> Partners returned my husband's share of US$55,000,000.00after the death of
> my husband and I lodged it in my husband's securitycompany of which l am
> the director right now, the new Civilian Governmenthave intensified their
> probe on my husband's financial and oil company.ln view of these, l acted
> fast to withdraw the U$55,000,000.00 from the company'! s vault and
> deposited as familytreasurein a Security Company for safe custody. l have
> since declared theSecurityCompany!
> > bankrupt. No record ever existed concerning the money traceableby the
> government because there is no documentation showing that we receivedthe
> money from the Russian. Due to the current situation in he
> countryconcerning government attitude towards my family, it has become
> quiteimpossible for me to make use of this money within, thus consent l
> shallexpect you to contact me urgently to enable us discuss in detail
> aboutthis transaction. Bearing in mind that your assistance is needed to
> transfer this fund,l proposed a percentage of 30% of the total sum to you
> for the expectedservice and assistance, 5% for offsetting minor expenses
> incurred inthe course of this transaction.5% has been mapped out for
> charity purposes.Your urgent response is highly needed as to stop further
> contacts. All correspondence must be by the email address above. l will
> give youmy tel/fax numbers where you can contact me when l hear from you.l
> mustuse this opportunity to implore you to exercise the utmost indulgenceto
> keep this matter extraordinarily confidential whatever your decisionwhile
> await your prompt response.May the Almighty Allah bless you.
> Best regards,
> Dr Mrs.Mariam Abacha.
>
> NB: Because of the security being mounted on the members of my family,l
> have decided that this transaction exist between you and my Nephew
> Engr. Patrick ojo. Remember to include your private tel/fax or mobile
> number for easy communication. my mobile number is 234-80-33009066
>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">When are all of these assholes going to die? Every one of them have some damn deceased person in their family. He obviously has me mixed up with Dubya. I'm not the president. I'm nobody.<BR>
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<BR>
l am sorry for the embarrassment, this my letter might cause you as we have not had any correspondence before this letter. I got your emailaddress from a reliable source. I carried out an extensive search andenquiry through the Nigerian chamber of commerce and also the Nigerianexport promotion council after the extensive search and enquiry, youraddress was given to me with very high recommendations by the two earliermentioned establishments. Although I did not disclose my major intentionsbecause of it's top level confidential nature. I only told them thatI was in search of a plastic processing company, which I want to investin. I really want to invest in plastic processing industry since it isa very lucrative business. My major motive is to invest in your countrythrough a reliable and trustworthy foreigner. l am DR. MRS MARIAM ABACHA, wife of the late Nigeria Head of State,GeneralSanni Abacha who died on the 8th of June, 1998 while still on active duty I am contacting you in view of the fact that we will be of greathelp to each other and also develop a cordial business relationship.lcurrently have within my reach the sum of Fifty-five Million US DollarsUS$55,000,000.00)cash which l intend to use for investment, like Real EstateDevelopmentspecifically in your country. This money came as a payback contract deal between my late husband anda Russian Firm on ourcountries multi-billion dollars Ajaokuta Steel Plant.The Russian Partners returned my husband's share of US$55,000,000.00after the death of my husband and I lodged it in my husband's securitycompany of which l am the director right now, the new Civilian Governmenthave intensified their probe on my husband's financial and oil company.ln view of these, l acted fast to withdraw the U$55,000,000.00 from the company'! s vault and deposited as familytreasurein a Security Company for safe custody. l have since declared theSecurityCompany! <BR>
> bankrupt. No record ever existed concerning the money traceableby the government because there is no documentation showing that we receivedthe money from the Russian. Due to the current situation in he countryconcerning government attitude towards my family, it has become quiteimpossible for me to make use of this money within, thus consent l shallexpect you to contact me urgently to enable us discuss in detail aboutthis transaction. Bearing in mind that your assistance is needed to transfer this fund,l proposed a percentage of 30% of the total sum to you for the expectedservice and assistance, 5% for offsetting minor expenses incurred inthe course of this transaction.5% has been mapped out for charity purposes.Your urgent response is highly needed as to stop further contacts. All correspondence must be by the email address above. l will give youmy tel/fax numbers where you can contact me when l hear from you.l mustuse this opportunity to implore you to exercise the utmost indulgenceto keep this matter extraordinarily confidential whatever your decisionwhile await your prompt response.May the Almighty Allah bless you.<BR>
Best regards, <BR>
Dr Mrs.Mariam Abacha. <BR>
<BR>
NB: Because of the security being mounted on the members of my family,l have decided that this transaction exist between you and my Nephew <BR>
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, which I want to investin. I really want to invest in plastic processing in=
dustry since it isa very lucrative business. My major motive is to invest in=
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Partners returned my husband's share of US$55,000,000.00after the death of m=
y husband and I lodged it in my husband's securitycompany of which l am the=20=
director right now, the new Civilian Governmenthave intensified their probe=20=
on my husband's financial and oil company.ln view of these, l acted fast to=20=
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In a message dated 8/20/2002 9:34:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Isn't this also known as fluid-applied acrylic elastomeric coating?
>
Dan,
I did not read your post until after I posted. Actually, not all traffic
coatings are acrylic. And I'm unclear if they all classify as elastomeric.
Having done a project of concrete balconies not too long back, and gotten
shafted in the process, I can report that we used two types of traffic
coating materials, one a styrene based material, the other a polymer cement
based. Though these materials are commonly used for parking garages, etc.
their durability is also good for the traffic of rocking chairs.
If it were me I'd go for the raw concrete.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/20/2002 9:34:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Isn't this also known as fluid-applied acrylic elastomeric coating?<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
Dan,<BR>
<BR>
I did not read your post until after I posted. Actually, not all traffic coatings are acrylic. And I'm unclear if they all classify as elastomeric. Having done a project of concrete balconies not too long back, and gotten shafted in the process, I can report that we used two types of traffic coating materials, one a styrene based material, the other a polymer cement based. Though these materials are commonly used for parking garages, etc. their durability is also good for the traffic of rocking chairs.<BR>
<BR>
If it were me I'd go for the raw concrete.<BR>
<BR>
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> Was it really worth a 5am limo ride?
>
Mitch,
I assume we may not get the true answer until tommorrow.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Was it really worth a 5am limo ride? <BR>
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Mitch,<BR>
<BR>
I assume we may not get the true answer until tommorrow.<BR>
<BR>
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
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> At the high end of the market, yes.
At the low end they use any old shit at hand?
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
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> If it were me I'd go for the raw concrete.
> ][<en
>
Ken, are you saying you'd try leaving it "natural"? Christopher
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:21:46 -0400
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From: "M. P. Edison" <[log in to unmask]>
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>
> In a message dated 8/20/2002 9:34:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> > Isn't this also known as fluid-applied acrylic elastomeric coating?
> >
> Dan,
>
> I did not read your post until after I posted. Actually, not all
traffic
> coatings are acrylic. And I'm unclear if they all classify as
elastomeric.
> Having done a project of concrete balconies not too long back, and
gotten
> shafted in the process, I can report that we used two types of
traffic
> coating materials, one a styrene based material, the other a polymer
cement
> based. Though these materials are commonly used for parking garages,
etc.
> their durability is also good for the traffic of rocking chairs.
>
> If it were me I'd go for the raw concrete.
>
> ][<en
>
>
Ken,
I wouldn't have used either one of those systems.
Styrene is an inherently UV-unstable material which will discolor and
break down mechanically outdoors. It's DOA, as far as I'm concerned.
I have also seen and heard the shpiel for the polymer-modified
cementitous stuff, which is based on styrenated acrylic latex
modifiers developed in Germany. I had the opportunity to meet the
German inventor, several years ago. We got past the published
performance specs and into questions of longer term performance
history. It isn't pretty. Cement, however flexible it is made by
initial overdose of polymer, is still cement. The time comes, a few
years down the line, when it kind of just behaves a lot like concrete.
Definitely not elastomeric.
As for the typical commercial parking deck coatings made today, most
are moisture-cured polyurethane. They work, most of the time.
Acrylic elastomeric coatings can be as varied as acrylic polymers are
themselves varied in their properties. The typical waterborne stuff
was developed for the roof coating market and doesn't withstand much
traffic or abrasion. The reactive monomer systems can be stronger and
have a reasonable history in highway and bridge work.
Definition of elastomeric is not standardized, but should include the
following:
1. Has a reproducible % elongation, typically between 100 and 1000%.
2. Recovers after being stressed to elongation, typically at least 50
or 60%.
3. Retains a significant portion of its elongation and recovery even
at temperatures around zero Fahrenheit.
4. Retains most of its elongation and recovery after many years of
natural weather exposure.
That eliminates at least 75% of what is so9ld in this country
as "elastomeric", but that's what we need elastomeric coatings to do.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
email: [log in to unmask]
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> I'm not the president. I'm nobody.
>
>
>
Steve,
You may not be the president, but we like you better than Dubya, and think
you're less likely to fall for this than he is.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/20/02 3:49:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm not the president. I'm nobody.<BR>
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Steve,<BR>
<BR>
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In a message dated Tue, 20 Aug 2002 1:40:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I thought that your being the most formally dressed person in the group
lent
> a certain "gravitas" to your comments. I was very disappointed that they
> didn't put up a screen shot of you and Mrs. Ralph with all the little
Ralphs.
Ahhhhh, Lisa,
You are most perceptive and wise despite your tender years.
I am confident the little Ralphs were not happy to remain unshown, are much
more interesting to look at than all those singletons, and are at least 50%
more interesting than the mere twins in the bathtub. The GMA bastards are
still (8 hours later!) holding our pix hostage.
The suit may have lent me gravitas, but between my tonnage and advanced
chronological resources (we were the geezers in the group, in case you didn't
notice), I figured I had the gravitas department sewn up. However, I didn't
want my pinhead friends to be ashamed of my appearance, so I put your dues
(and generous non-taxable contributions) to work and bought a new light-blue
shirt (at Sears--eeeewwww), but by the time I got a discount on the shirt and
they deducted $10 from my bill, the shirt was FREE!
Was also VERY relieved to see that I don't have a bald spot, and was pleased
to see that my nearly imperceptible Pinhead Salute, which to the uninitiated
probably looked like I was scratching my nose, got past the censors on live
TV. But youse guys know better.
Your favorite star,
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated Tue, 20 Aug 2002 1:40:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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> I thought that your being the most formally dressed person in the group lent<BR>
> a certain "gravitas" to your comments. I was very disappointed that they<BR>
> didn't put up a screen shot of you and Mrs. Ralph with all the little Ralphs.<BR>
<BR>
Ahhhhh, Lisa,<BR>
<BR>
You are most perceptive and wise despite your tender years.<BR>
<BR>
I am confident the little Ralphs were not happy to remain unshown, are much more interesting to look at than all those singletons, and are at least 50% more interesting than the mere twins in the bathtub. The GMA bastards are still (8 hours later!) holding our pix hostage.<BR>
<BR>
The suit may have lent me gravitas, but between my tonnage and advanced chronological resources (we were the geezers in the group, in case you didn't notice), I figured I had the gravitas department sewn up. However, I didn't want my pinhead friends to be ashamed of my appearance, so I put your dues (and generous non-taxable contributions) to work and bought a new light-blue shirt (at Sears--eeeewwww), but by the time I got a discount on the shirt and they deducted $10 from my bill, the shirt was FREE! <BR>
<BR>
Was also VERY relieved to see that I don't have a bald spot, and was pleased to see that my nearly imperceptible Pinhead Salute, which to the uninitiated probably looked like I was scratching my nose, got past the censors on live TV. But youse guys know better.<BR>
<BR>
Your favorite star,<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
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In a message dated Tue, 20 Aug 2002 1:40:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I thought that your being the most formally dressed person in the group lent
> a certain "gravitas" to your comments. I was very disappointed that they
> didn't put up a screen shot of you and Mrs. Ralph with all
> the little
> Ralphs.
Ahhhhh, Lisa,
You are most perceptive and wise despite your tender years.
I am confident the little Ralphs were not happy to remain unshown, and are much more interesting to look at than all those singletons, and at least 50% more interesting than the twins in the bathtub. The GMA bastards are still (8 hours later!) holding our pix hostage.
The suit may have lent me gravitas, but between gross tonnage and advanced chronological resources (we were the geezers in the group, in case you didn't notice), I figured I had gravitas of my own.
Was also VERY relieved to see that I don't have a bald spot, and noted upon close examination that I gave an unintentional Pinhead Salute after all, which to the unititated might look like I was scratching my nose (I had thought about using that as a ruse, and it must have penetrated my black hole of a subconscious after all). But youse guys know better.
Your favorite star,
Ralph
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:16:44 EDT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Finally got most of the wax off the screens on the porch...
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In a message dated 8/20/02 5:12:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
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> At the low end they use any old shit at hand?
][<en,
Certain of our mutual non-friends would probably use any new shit at hand.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/20/02 5:12:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">At the low end they use any old shit at hand?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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][<en,<BR>
<BR>
Certain of our mutual non-friends would probably use any new shit at hand.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:19:14 EDT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Finally got most of the wax off the screens on the porch...
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In a message dated 8/20/02 6:11:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> >> If it were me I'd go for the raw concrete.
>> ][<en
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> Ken, are you saying you'd try leaving it "natural"? Christopher
>
Christopher,
If it were me, I'd leave it natural. Now you gotta decide whether you're
going to leave it natural because ][<en told you, or despite of my having
told you the same thing.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/20/02 6:11:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">If it were me I'd go for the raw concrete. <BR>
][<en</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#0f0f0f" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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Ken, are you saying you'd try leaving it "natural"? Christopher <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Christopher,<BR>
<BR>
If it were me, I'd leave it natural. Now you gotta decide whether you're going to leave it natural because ][<en told you, or despite of my having told you the same thing.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:34:01 EDT
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In a message dated 8/20/2002 8:01:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> but we like you better than Dubya
Isn't that special?
Sign me,
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/20/2002 8:01:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">but we like you better than Dubya</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BR>
Isn't that special?<BR>
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Sign me,<BR>
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:37:24 EDT
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In a message dated 8/20/2002 8:15:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> bought a new light-blue shirt (at Sears--eeeewwww)
Noooooo not a Sears Sucker Suit.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/20/2002 8:15:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">bought a new light-blue shirt (at Sears--eeeewwww)</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:43:53 -0400
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From: William Gould <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Boring bees
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I received this e mail and thought it to be a subject that should be
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:40:01 EDT
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Interesting title to the message... but I cannot open the mime.
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:59:39 -0500
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Subject: Re: Boring bees
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Ken, It was a Macintosh file...something for the other 5%. I pasted it
below.
Sounds like carpenter bees to me. Also sounds like the logs may have
been preserved this long by being protected by siding. I recommend
reinstallying siding if that was the case. Carpenter Bees are nutz.
They don't care if the wood is 1 year old or a hundred, treated or
untreated. They are just drilling a hole to plant their youngsters. It
the treatment kills the parents, it really doesn't matter to them after
they've dropped off their young and fullfilled their mission.
Purdue has a good web site for entomological issues. They may have
suggestions for managing carpenter bees. I'll have to look it up later
this week.
-jc
> From: Carol Younce
> To:
> Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:15 PM
> Subject: my " old log" cabin
>
> Dear Sirs,
> I would like some help in knowing what to do with the old logs on the
> outside of our cabin. It is a new ( 20 year old) house built with 200 year
> old logs salvaged from a barn in Augusta, WVa. The cabin is at a 1000 ft
> elevation in an open meadow in Burlington, West Virginia. We just bought
> the property a year and a half ago. As far as we can tell, the old, square
> cut logs have never been treated or preserved. The old adze marks still
> show. The past two summers we have seen many small borer bees making holes
> in the wood, especially on the sunny sides of the house, and then covering
> the holes with pieces of leaf. We would like to know what these are and how
> to deal with them, and also any advice you may have on treating or
> preserving the old logs. Thank you for your time,
> Carol Younce
> 703-273-7850
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<p><br>Ken, It was a Macintosh file...something for the other 5%.
I pasted it below.
<p>Sounds like carpenter bees to me. Also sounds like the logs may
have been preserved this long by being protected by siding. I recommend
reinstallying siding if that was the case. Carpenter Bees are nutz.
They don't care if the wood is 1 year old or a hundred, treated or untreated.
They are just drilling a hole to plant their youngsters. It the treatment
kills the parents, it really doesn't matter to them after they've dropped
off their young and fullfilled their mission.
<p>Purdue has a good web site for entomological issues. They may
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Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:15 PM
Subject: my " old log" cabin
Dear Sirs,
I would like some help in knowing what to do with the old logs on the
outside of our cabin. It is a new ( 20 year old) house built with 200 year
old logs salvaged from a barn in Augusta, WVa. The cabin is at a 1000 ft
elevation in an open meadow in Burlington, West Virginia. We just bought
the property a year and a half ago. As far as we can tell, the old, square
cut logs have never been treated or preserved. The old adze marks still
show. The past two summers we have seen many small borer bees making holes
in the wood, especially on the sunny sides of the house, and then covering
the holes with pieces of leaf. We would like to know what these are and how
to deal with them, and also any advice you may have on treating or
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Carol Younce
703-273-7850
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> That's because the entire state of Vermont is a historic district, isn't it?
I thought Vermont had few legal protections for historic resources. In
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> Let me guess, the suit shrank?
You're absolutely right, although it hasn't been laundered in 30 years.
These modern fabrics aren't the same as they were in the Olden Days of our
yout'.
In "Life With Mother," Clarence Day Jr talks about how his father (my
starring role in Jr Hi, back when I was a Thespian, before I became a
Architect) in his old age would order new custom made suits from England, and
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As I always say, the more things change, the less they stay the same.
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You're absolutely right, although it hasn't been laundered in 30 years. These modern fabrics aren't the same as they were in the Olden Days of our yout'. <BR>
<BR>
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Today's Metro Section of the NY Times features an article (Glenn Collins) on
the restoration of the Civil War Monument at Greenwood Cemetary in Brooklyn.
What is not mentioned in the article is that Apple (John Weiss, Sr) recently
completed cleaning and repointing the 35 foot high octagonal stone monument,
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so often appropriate credit is lacking. Congrats!
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Today's Metro Section of the NY Times features an article (Glenn Collins) on
the restoration of the Civil War Monument at Greenwood Cemetary in Brooklyn.
What is not mentioned in the article is that Apple (John Weiss, Sr) recently
completed cleaning and repointing the 35 foot high octagonal stone monument,
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art
conservators.
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on 8/22/02 8:55 AM, Ken Follett at [log in to unmask] wrote:
> Today's Metro Section of the NY Times features an article (Glenn Collins) on
> the restoration of the Civil War Monument at Greenwood Cemetary in Brooklyn.
> What is not mentioned in the article is that Apple (John Weiss, Sr) recently
> completed cleaning and repointing the 35 foot high octagonal stone monument,
> under the direction of the Breslins, and provided the scaffolding for the art
> conservators.
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Leave it to the Bresnans to take all the credit for themselves.
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> Leave it to the Bresnans to take all the credit for themselves.
Ralph,
Not fair. They have not. Newspaper reporters write what they want to write.
The Bresnans have been quite gracious and supportive to us throughout the
entire project.
I will admit, though, the the first time JW Sr. and I met Adrienne in the mid
80's, before we had even started working at Tweed Courthouse, that she
stormed into the meeting room and chewed us both out... we had a very clear
idea right then and there what to expect if we messed up the building. I
suspect she had no idea who were were, possibly saw us as one more low-bid
contractor come to ruin the historic fabric.
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Ralph,<BR>
<BR>
Not fair. They have not. Newspaper reporters write what they want to write. The Bresnans have been quite gracious and supportive to us throughout the entire project.<BR>
<BR>
I will admit, though, the the first time JW Sr. and I met Adrienne in the mid 80's, before we had even started working at Tweed Courthouse, that she stormed into the meeting room and chewed us both out... we had a very clear idea right then and there what to expect if we messed up the building. I suspect she had no idea who were were, possibly saw us as one more low-bid contractor come to ruin the historic fabric.<BR>
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Wow! There's only one more! Let's go find him and dispatch him/her!
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Ken Follett wrote:
> In a message dated 8/22/2002 9:18:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
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>
>
>> Leave it to the Bresnans to take all the credit for themselves.
>
> Ralph,
>
> Not fair. They have not. Newspaper reporters write what they want to
> write. The Bresnans have been quite gracious and supportive to us
> throughout the entire project.
>
> I will admit, though, the the first time JW Sr. and I met Adrienne in
> the mid 80's, before we had even started working at Tweed Courthouse,
> that she stormed into the meeting room and chewed us both out... we
> had a very clear idea right then and there what to expect if we messed
> up the building. I suspect she had no idea who were were, possibly saw
> us as one more low-bid contractor come to ruin the historic fabric.
>
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Wow! There's only one more! Let's go find him and dispatch
him/her!
<p>-jc
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<p><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>Ralph,</font></font>
<p><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>Not fair. They have not.
Newspaper reporters write what they want to write. The Bresnans have been
quite gracious and supportive to us throughout the entire project.</font></font>
<p><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>I will admit, though, the
the first time JW Sr. and I met Adrienne in the mid 80's, before we had
even started working at Tweed Courthouse, that she stormed into the meeting
room and chewed us both out... we had a very clear idea right then and
there what to expect if we messed up the building. I suspect she had no
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> Not fair. They have not. Newspaper reporters write what they want to write. The Bresnans have been quite gracious and
> supportive to us throughout the entire project.
][<en,
You can love her if you want, but I don't. She showed up at BBH just as it was being finished and graciously accepted all manner of congratulations on the wonderful job she'd done. She showed up (late) in a blizzard of loose papers at a Manh Muni Bldg meeting, and demanded that the meeting be started over.
As we high-class stars of stage and screen say, Fuck Her.
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Sounds like an opportunity for you to start working on your F, Ralph. Be gentlemanly, gracious, and wise. Provide her with the educational opportunity to learn that meetings do not begin until the architect arrives and they end when the architect sayz so. Thats why I get along so well with contractors...I
know what the rules are!
-jc
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> In a message dated Thu, 22 Aug 2002 1:05:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
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> > Not fair. They have not. Newspaper reporters write what they want to write. The Bresnans have been quite gracious and
> > supportive to us throughout the entire project.
>
> ][<en,
>
> You can love her if you want, but I don't. She showed up at BBH just as it was being finished and graciously accepted all manner of congratulations on the wonderful job she'd done. She showed up (late) in a blizzard of loose papers at a Manh Muni Bldg meeting, and demanded that the meeting be started over.
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> As we high-class stars of stage and screen say, Fuck Her.
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> Ralph
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:21:59 EDT
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In a message dated 8/22/2002 3:34:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> As we high-class stars of stage and screen say, Fuck Her.
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No doubt this is one of Ralf's good friends.
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:17:51 EDT
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In a message dated 8/22/02 6:22:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> No doubt this is one of Ralf's good friends.
Actually, I've been thinking about whether she should be considered one of my
few Mortal Enemies. But, since I haven't had the displeasure of seeing her
more than once or twice in the since I first met her, she probably can't
really be considered one. However, she is a/an FAIA, which she probably
doesn't deserve and there are others who certainly do deserve it. No doubt
if I had had more contact, or (God forbid) have future contact with her, she
could certainly be elevated (or descend) to that level.
A Mortal Enemy is someone who has irritated me so much that I'd like to kill
him/her in the course of a sword fight.
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Actually, I've been thinking about whether she should be considered one of my few Mortal Enemies. But, since I haven't had the displeasure of seeing her more than once or twice in the since I first met her, she probably can't really be considered one. However, she <U>is</U> a/an FAIA, which she probably doesn't deserve and there are others who certainly do deserve it. No doubt if I had had more contact, or (God forbid) have future contact with her, she could certainly be elevated (or descend) to that level.<BR>
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A Mortal Enemy is someone who has irritated me so much that I'd like to kill him/her in the course of a sword fight.<BR>
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..about Pierre, the perceptive but weak-willed heir who ineffectively tries
to put into action fanciful schemes, like liberating the serfs on his vast
estate:
" Again, as in St. Petersburg, whole days, weeks and months of his life were
busily filled with parties, dinners, lunches and balls, allowing him no time
for reflection. Instead of the new life Pierre had hoped to lead, he still
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:56:19 -0500
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>Material failure on the order of 5% would seem an astronomical figure
>to me. I can remember going through a period where we were getting a
>lot of UPS damage to our small shipments, and when I told the UPS rep
>that it was only about 1% of our shipments for that month, his
>response was that 1% would be enough to put them out of business.
geez, you musta had a different UPS company than I did!
one of my biggest headaches with UPS and LTL shipments (small jobs of three
or four partitions, etc)
was that I was receiving about one damaged box for every three sent...
UPS and the trucking companies claimed the
packaging was inadequate, and
the shippers claimed the material belonged to me once it left their
docks....
the trucking company OS&D usually offered me half of half the value of the
damage, or one quarter, and I still had to meet the insurance investigator,
rebox the material, file a claim with documentation, wait for trucking
company pickup, and pay freight on the replacement material, which was
always late, and usually damaged, as well...
the bottom line is that unless a problem costs someone money, they will not
be motivated to solve it...
my solution was to buy a big ole truck and drive to indianapolis a couple
times a week to pick up materials myself
since I was losing at least $8K a year to freight damage on materials only,
not counting the handling and ill will costs the damage and missed
deadlines created, it didn't take too long to pay off the truck...
and the girl scouts
loved having it for the big campouts ;)
when I returned from a long weekend g.s. event and attended a small family
reunion and was able to produce, at a moment's notice, tarps, board games,
camp stools, and a dining fly, my brother dubbed the truck "the world's
biggest purse"
(all the boy scout troops had busses and fancy wells cargo pull-behinds,
but we were the only girlscout troop in the three state area with our own
box truck -- it sure cut down on minivan clutter at limited parking
campsites)
deb
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:19:57 EDT
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In a message dated 8/23/02 8:46:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> I've always had tool kits. It never occurred to my organized mind (anal
> retentive?) not to. But I call mine tool boxes. I've got plumbing,
> electrical, carpentry, mechanical (not including automotive tools), and
> least of all, metal working. These just contain the smaller, more delicate
> tools. There are also shelves and drawers full of the larger tools, spare
> tools, power tools, tool belts, and consumables. I'll stop before I
> embarrass myself.
>
> Tools and books; You can never have too many.
>
Stew:
I've always had tool boxes too. A general automotive/mechanical box. One in
each of the vehicles, too. A box of the lesser-used automotive tools, such
as ridge reamers and valve grinders. A carpenters box. Plumbing tools in a
crate. A drawer of drills. Hmm, actually 3 plus a tray of larger drills,
reamers, and little-used taps in oil. Electrical stuff. Electronics stuff,
such as VOM's and galvanometer lifters. A tool box of soldering irons. Bo
xes that go with specific machines, such as the table saw or the router.
There is also a home fix-it box, but it is actually a bag, so maybe it
shouldn't count.
There are also toy boxes, such as the saltwater fishing tackle box, the
freshwater fishing tackle box, the caving bag, the climbing-gear bags, etc.
Sometimes, playing at home with the tools just really doesn't hack it.
And this list of boxes and bags doesn't include the boxes of project remnant
and accumulated screws, bolts, pipe fittings, nails, washers, and other stuff
that saves trips to the hardware store.
Oh, books? Many years ago I estimated that I had over 2,000 books. Now,
there are more. Yes, I've read most of the books from cover to cover. Some,
I've read and used what I needed, and left the rest alone.
I built a bookcase for the books. That is kind of an understatement, as the
bookcase wraps around a room and used about 2 tons of lumber. Such a project
is a good use for the carpenters tools, which like all things can only be
useful if used.
Steve Stokowski
Stone Products Consultants
Building Products Microscopy
10 Clark St., Ste. A
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I've always had tool kits. It never occurred to my organized mind (anal retentive?) not to. But I call mine tool boxes. I've got plumbing, electrical, carpentry, mechanical (not including automotive tools), and least of all, metal working. These just contain the smaller, more delicate tools. There are also shelves and drawers full of the larger tools, spare tools, power tools, tool belts, and consumables. I'll stop before I embarrass myself.<BR>
<BR>
Tools and books; You can never have too many.<BR>
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Stew:<BR>
<BR>
I've always had tool boxes too. A general automotive/mechanical box. One in each of the vehicles, too. A box of the lesser-used automotive tools, such as ridge reamers and valve grinders. A carpenters box. Plumbing tools in a crate. A drawer of drills. Hmm, actually 3 plus a tray of larger drills, reamers, and little-used taps in oil. Electrical stuff. Electronics stuff, such as VOM's and galvanometer lifters. A tool box of soldering irons. Boxes that go with specific machines, such as the table saw or the router. There is also a home fix-it box, but it is actually a bag, so maybe it shouldn't count.<BR>
<BR>
There are also toy boxes, such as the saltwater fishing tackle box, the freshwater fishing tackle box, the caving bag, the climbing-gear bags, etc. Sometimes, playing at home with the tools just really doesn't hack it.<BR>
<BR>
And this list of boxes and bags doesn't include the boxes of project remnant and accumulated screws, bolts, pipe fittings, nails, washers, and other stuff that saves trips to the hardware store. <BR>
<BR>
Oh, books? Many years ago I estimated that I had over 2,000 books. Now, there are more. Yes, I've read most of the books from cover to cover. Some, I've read and used what I needed, and left the rest alone. <BR>
<BR>
I built a bookcase for the books. That is kind of an understatement, as the bookcase wraps around a room and used about 2 tons of lumber. Such a project is a good use for the carpenters tools, which like all things can only be useful if used. <BR>
<BR>
Steve Stokowski<BR>
Stone Products Consultants<BR>
Building Products Microscopy<BR>
10 Clark St., Ste. A<BR>
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145<BR>
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)<BR>
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:15:36 EDT
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I have a question for the construction type PINheads--
Can anyone offer me suggestions for locating a reliable roofer with
experience in historic wood shingle roofs in the central NJ area? Does PTN
have a membership list of contractors specializing in wood shingle roofs? I'm
working for a week at my old job, and one of my projects is to help find a
contractor to reshingle our roof.
The board already gotten a bid, but I'm very concerned about the quote-- it
seems awfully low, and they've specified tar paper, which is not appropriate
for wood shingle roofs. I was hoping to find someone local-- central NJ
area-- to do the work, but haven't come up with any names.
Any help would be appreciated!!
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:43:03 -0400
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Where do we start? Positive side waterproofing is, as has been stated,
placed upon the exterior or "Positive Pressure" side of the structure.
Typically this is applied during construction but with excavation, can be
installed at a later date. There are other means of positive waterproofing
of an existing building and this involves the drilling of holes at specific
intervals through the wall and injecting water reactive Acrylate Ester Gels
to form a Water Barrier. This active "positive side" waterproofing reacts to
water and prevents further water from coming in. This is used primarily when
access to the exterior of the structure is not available due to obstruction,
property lines, etc. While Europe has used these methods for some time they
have only been used here in New York for the past 5 years.
I apologize in advance but must disagree with Eric on his statement about
"letting water in then removing it". This can cause other issues such as
cavitations outside the structure due to the piping effect of the constant
flow of water as well as possibly raise the "humidity" level in a structure
which has its own host of problems, mold, etc.
Negative side, as previously stated is on the face of the interior wall and
is totally dependant upon the surface or after applying the waterproofing
the substrate integrity, as well as the integrity of the waterproofing
product itself as you get some nasty combinations of chemicals when you try
to stop "leaks" ( water plus other materials/chemicals)
Positive, during or after construction is always preferred, however until
recently negative was almost the only "remedial" solution available.
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Could someone explain "negative and positive waterproofing."
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:52:12 -0400
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Our purchasing people tell me to buy things "FOB our loading dock" which is
supposed to put the problem in someone else's court (the company you're
buying it from or the trucker). I would think they pretty quickly learn to
do a better job of packing it, mark it as fragile, or choose their truckers
more carefully. This assumes you can do an adequate job of inspecting it
for damage before you accept it.
Living in an Ideal World
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From: Deb Bledsoe [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 4:56 AM
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Subject: Re: 99% Design
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:53:36 -0400, M. P. Edison
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>Material failure on the order of 5% would seem an astronomical figure
>to me. I can remember going through a period where we were getting a
>lot of UPS damage to our small shipments, and when I told the UPS rep
>that it was only about 1% of our shipments for that month, his
>response was that 1% would be enough to put them out of business.
geez, you musta had a different UPS company than I did!
one of my biggest headaches with UPS and LTL shipments (small jobs of three
or four partitions, etc)
was that I was receiving about one damaged box for every three sent...
UPS and the trucking companies claimed the
packaging was inadequate, and
the shippers claimed the material belonged to me once it left their
docks....
the trucking company OS&D usually offered me half of half the value of the
damage, or one quarter, and I still had to meet the insurance investigator,
rebox the material, file a claim with documentation, wait for trucking
company pickup, and pay freight on the replacement material, which was
always late, and usually damaged, as well...
the bottom line is that unless a problem costs someone money, they will not
be motivated to solve it...
my solution was to buy a big ole truck and drive to indianapolis a couple
times a week to pick up materials myself
since I was losing at least $8K a year to freight damage on materials only,
not counting the handling and ill will costs the damage and missed
deadlines created, it didn't take too long to pay off the truck...
and the girl scouts
loved having it for the big campouts ;)
when I returned from a long weekend g.s. event and attended a small family
reunion and was able to produce, at a moment's notice, tarps, board games,
camp stools, and a dining fly, my brother dubbed the truck "the world's
biggest purse"
(all the boy scout troops had busses and fancy wells cargo pull-behinds,
but we were the only girlscout troop in the three state area with our own
box truck -- it sure cut down on minivan clutter at limited parking
campsites)
deb
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>Material failure on the order of 5% would seem an =
astronomical figure</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>to me. I can remember going through a period =
where we were getting a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>lot of UPS damage to our small shipments, and =
when I told the UPS rep</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>that it was only about 1% of our shipments for =
that month, his</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>response was that 1% would be enough to put them =
out of business.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>geez, you musta had a different UPS company than I =
did!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>one of my biggest headaches with UPS and LTL =
shipments (small jobs of three</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>or four partitions, etc)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>was that I was receiving about one damaged box for =
every three sent...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>UPS and the trucking companies claimed the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>packaging was inadequate, and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the shippers claimed the material belonged to me =
once it left their</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docks....</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the trucking company OS&D usually offered me =
half of half the value of the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>damage, or one quarter, and I still had to meet the =
insurance investigator,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>rebox the material, file a claim with documentation, =
wait for trucking</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>company pickup, and pay freight on the replacement =
material, which was</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>always late, and usually damaged, as well...</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>the bottom line is that unless a problem costs =
someone money, they will not</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>be motivated to solve it...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>my solution was to buy a big ole truck and drive to =
indianapolis a couple</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>times a week to pick up materials myself</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>since I was losing at least $8K a year to freight =
damage on materials only,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>not counting the handling and ill will costs the =
damage and missed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>deadlines created, it didn't take too long to pay =
off the truck...</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>and the girl scouts</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>loved having it for the big campouts =
;)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>when I returned from a long weekend g.s. event and =
attended a small family</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>reunion and was able to produce, at a moment's =
notice, tarps, board games,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>camp stools, and a dining fly, my brother dubbed the =
truck "the world's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>biggest purse"</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>(all the boy scout troops had busses and fancy wells =
cargo pull-behinds,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>but we were the only girlscout troop in the three =
state area with our own</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>box truck -- it sure cut down on minivan clutter at =
limited parking</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>campsites)</FONT>
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> So don't buy a $40 set of metric wrenches, get the $3 set and if one of them
> wears out, just replace that particular wrench with one of higher quality.
>
> To summarize: quality tools are a pleasure to own and use, and they will
> last for a lifetime (or more). Cheap tools will give you the ability to
> perform more tasks, sooner.
>
> Stew
> looking for more uses for my suction cup dent puller
Stew:
I both agree and disagree. I agree that some tools do just as good a job if
they are cheap as if they are top-of-the line. Some cheap tools, however,
cause too much aggravation and damage. Broken or spread wrenches and sockets
tend to make a quick project balloon into a day-long effort. And, if they
cause the problem when in somebody else's hands, you often become obligated
to help. And what about Phillips screwdrivers? Cheap ones damage screws so
readily that you may as well carry a drill and visegrips. There is a
solution to the expense of both cheap and quality tools. Purchase your extra
or loaner quality tools in pawn shops or at flea markets!
More uses for your suction cup dent puller, eh? Well, it works on all types
of sheet metal, not just that on cars. I used mine on a cooler once. It is
also handy if you replace a windshield or a rear car window. It can even
make you a hero. But only if you use it in the traditional manner after your
friend sideswipes a deer.
Steve Stokowski
Stone Products Consultants
Building Products Microscopy
10 Clark St., Ste. A
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/23/02 2:13:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So don't buy a $40 set of metric wrenches, get the $3 set and if one of them wears out, just replace that particular wrench with one of higher quality.<BR>
<BR>
To summarize: quality tools are a pleasure to own and use, and they will last for a lifetime (or more). Cheap tools will give you the ability to perform more tasks, sooner.<BR>
<BR>
Stew<BR>
looking for more uses for my suction cup dent puller</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Stew:<BR>
<BR>
I both agree and disagree. I agree that some tools do just as good a job if they are cheap as if they are top-of-the line. Some cheap tools, however, cause too much aggravation and damage. Broken or spread wrenches and sockets tend to make a quick project balloon into a day-long effort. And, if they cause the problem when in somebody else's hands, you often become obligated to help. And what about Phillips screwdrivers? Cheap ones damage screws so readily that you may as well carry a drill and visegrips. There is a solution to the expense of both cheap and quality tools. Purchase your extra or loaner quality tools in pawn shops or at flea markets!<BR>
<BR>
More uses for your suction cup dent puller, eh? Well, it works on all types of sheet metal, not just that on cars. I used mine on a cooler once. It is also handy if you replace a windshield or a rear car window. It can even make you a hero. But only if you use it in the traditional manner after your friend sideswipes a deer.<BR>
<BR>
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Stone Products Consultants<BR>
Building Products Microscopy<BR>
10 Clark St., Ste. A<BR>
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Interesting that you would choose to discharge her in an arena where she
would have a sporting chance of doing you...or escaping, or surviving.
I think that when I truly dislike someone, my thoughts tend toward the
more deliberate and certain outcome. Fencing is sport. A duel should
be with shot guns, or tomahawks, something certain to produce ample
quantities of blood and gore...even if by accidient, or dumb luck.
I am shocked to learn that this person has an F. Seems someone is not
minding the store.
-jc
Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 8/22/02 6:22:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
>
>> No doubt this is one of Ralf's good friends.
>
> Actually, I've been thinking about whether she should be considered
> one of my few Mortal Enemies. But, since I haven't had the
> displeasure of seeing her more than once or twice in the since I first
> met her, she probably can't really be considered one. However, she is
> a/an FAIA, which she probably doesn't deserve and there are others who
> certainly do deserve it. No doubt if I had had more contact, or (God
> forbid) have future contact with her, she could certainly be elevated
> (or descend) to that level.
>
> A Mortal Enemy is someone who has irritated me so much that I'd like
> to kill him/her in the course of a sword fight.
>
> Sign me,
>
> Otherwise Mild-Mannered
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Interesting that you would choose to discharge her in an arena where she
would have a sporting chance of doing you...or escaping, or surviving.
I think that when I truly dislike someone, my thoughts tend toward
the more deliberate and certain outcome. Fencing is sport.
A duel should be with shot guns, or tomahawks, something certain to produce
ample quantities of blood and gore...even if by accidient, or dumb luck.
<p>I am shocked to learn that this person has an F. Seems someone
is not minding the store.
<p>-jc
<p>Ralph Walter wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>In a message dated
8/22/02 6:22:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:</font></font>
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<blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>No
doubt this is one of Ralf's good friends.</font></font></font></blockquote>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Actually, I've
been thinking about whether she should be considered one of my few Mortal
Enemies. But, since I haven't had the displeasure of seeing her more
than once or twice in the since I first met her, she probably can't really
be considered one. However, she <u>is</u> a/an FAIA, which she probably
doesn't deserve and there are others who certainly do deserve it.
No doubt if I had had more contact, or (God forbid) have future contact
with her, she could certainly be elevated (or descend) to that level.</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>A Mortal Enemy
is someone who has irritated me so much that I'd like to kill him/her in
the course of a sword fight.</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Sign me,</font></font></font>
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Heidi,
If PTN does not have such a list, some of its members do. I'd suggest getting
in touch with any PTN member who is also employed by the Pennsylvania Historical
and Museum Commission. I am not aware that any of them are Pinheads, but there
might be some lurking.
In any event, there are a number of wood shingle roofs in Eastern Pennsylvania
that demonstrate confidence in traditional building details and materials.
-jc
Heidi Harendza wrote:
> I have a question for the construction type PINheads--
>
> Can anyone offer me suggestions for locating a reliable roofer with
> experience in historic wood shingle roofs in the central NJ area? Does PTN
> have a membership list of contractors specializing in wood shingle roofs? I'm
> working for a week at my old job, and one of my projects is to help find a
> contractor to reshingle our roof.
>
> The board already gotten a bid, but I'm very concerned about the quote-- it
> seems awfully low, and they've specified tar paper, which is not appropriate
> for wood shingle roofs. I was hoping to find someone local-- central NJ
> area-- to do the work, but haven't come up with any names.
>
> Any help would be appreciated!!
>
> -Heidi
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In a message dated 8/20/2002 3:11:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Ken, are you saying you'd try leaving it "natural"?
Yes. My preference. This has nothing to do with what you may want to do with
your porch slab. If there is no coating it means less maintenance, at least
less coating maintenance, that is, if the concrete is in good condition to
begin with. Lousy concrete is lousy concrete even when it is covered up. The
condition of the concrete, and how one feels about it, that is the deciding
factor. As with any naked masonry you do have to worry, I suppose, about
dropping liquids on it and staining, but that in itself can be seen as the
patina of life. You can also apply a sealer that will soak in to the concrete
to limit staining. I suppose it also has to do with one's aesthetic... I like
seeing signs that people have been using a space, particularly with a
non-urban space, rather than always seeing everything clean and perfect. Door
saddles with a belly in them I find inspiring, they make me want to follow
and step through the door. I would also be inclined to do a sloppy job of
paint removal, if I was removing the paint for myself and not for a client
like some fussy people are with their brick chimneys. I should also admit,
probably to kill the subject, that I like mirrors that have been left
outdoors and the silver backing flaked off, the paint on the frames mostly
gone and the wood gray and weathered. Imperfect reflections. Goes to
wandering around in abandoned farmhouses.
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Yes. My preference. This has nothing to do with what you may want to do with your porch slab. If there is no coating it means less maintenance, at least less coating maintenance, that is, if the concrete is in good condition to begin with. Lousy concrete is lousy concrete even when it is covered up. The condition of the concrete, and how one feels about it, that is the deciding factor. As with any naked masonry you do have to worry, I suppose, about dropping liquids on it and staining, but that in itself can be seen as the patina of life. You can also apply a sealer that will soak in to the concrete to limit staining. I suppose it also has to do with one's aesthetic... I like seeing signs that people have been using a space, particularly with a non-urban space, rather than always seeing everything clean and perfect. Door saddles with a belly in them I find inspiring, they make me want to follow and step through the door. I would also be inclined to do a sloppy job of paint removal, if I was removing the paint for myself and not for a client like some fussy people are with their brick chimneys. I should also admit, probably to kill the subject, that I like mirrors that have been left outdoors and the silver backing flaked off, the paint on the frames mostly gone and the wood gray and weathered. Imperfect reflections. Goes to wandering around in abandoned farmhouses.<BR>
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> Pinhead Salute, which to the uninitiated probably looked like I was
> scratching my nose, got past the censors on live TV.
Damn... I missed the salute! I demand a REPLAY!
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Damn... I missed the salute! I demand a REPLAY!<BR>
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In a message dated 8/20/2002 3:21:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Styrene is an inherently UV-unstable material which will discolor and break
> down mechanically outdoors. It's DOA, as far as I'm concerned.
Michael,
I was thinking Kemperol with the 50 (??) year warranty. Used not only on
parking decks but as a roofing membrane on the top of the Empire State
Building, the Pan Am (Met Life) building and on water containment and dams in
Washington State. Is this what you are refering to as UV-unstable?
Very much thanks for the definition of elastomeric... previously I thought it
was just another snake-oil term.
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Michael,<BR>
<BR>
I was thinking Kemperol with the 50 (??) year warranty. Used not only on parking decks but as a roofing membrane on the top of the Empire State Building, the Pan Am (Met Life) building and on water containment and dams in Washington State. Is this what you are refering to as UV-unstable?<BR>
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Tools... I like tools. We argue over it, but I have a room for the tools (a
big box) which holds the smaller tool boxes, usually, unless they wander,
which they often do. Quite some years back I bought a Sears mechanic's drawer
assembly and that has turned out to be a good piece of structure to attract
the tools to congregate around. Tools like to get loose, there are some in
the garage, some harboring themselves in the bus, and I am certain some of
them are laying in the yard.
I like the orange trays with the handles in the middle of them that you can
get at Home Depot. When doing a project I grab one and fill it up with tools.
WHen finished I carry it back to the tool room.
Boxes not only serve to store tools, fishing tackle, or model rocket parts...
but also there are boxes with only screws in them or bent nails or rocks,
depending. None of them are labeled, no need for it. A toolbox for software
(helps when you have to OS to have all the disks together), a toolbox for
computer tools. A bucket for spare change.
Books... too many and counting. I suppose I might get away with saying we
have a house to hold books in. Bookshelves, of course, but not enough of
them. Listening to a Homestead survivor of Hurricane Andrew talk about how
his house started moving around him in ways he never imagined it struck me
that we may not want to be in our house when a hurricane arrives. I bought
"What Went Wrong" and brought it home and set it down and after two months we
finally found it again. It was effective when I was searching through the
house, having a craving to read the book, and when asked what I was looking
for could reply, "What Went Wrong?"
Tools are also all the models of reality that we hold in our head and play
with each day. I also have writer tools... keeping track of boxes of commas
and semi-colons can be something of a chore.
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> Where do we start? Positive side waterproofing is
The Positives & Negatives of waterproofing on the one hand appear simple, on
the other they involve a wide range of complex variables. Just to think about
it is an inspiration that can keep one going for a long time... like for a
career. Water is an incredible material.
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<BR>
The Positives & Negatives of waterproofing on the one hand appear simple, on the other they involve a wide range of complex variables. Just to think about it is an inspiration that can keep one going for a long time... like for a career. Water is an incredible material.<BR>
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> Was the architect mentioned?
Yes, both of them near the end of article, and so also Modern Art Foundry.
Most of the article has to do with the replication of the zinc sculptures
into bronze by Modern Art Foundry -- ""We feel very proud of this," said
Washington Barros, who welded the statues together." The article covers the
glamorous aspects of the project. Cleaning and pointing are not quite so
glamorous.
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Yes, both of them near the end of article, and so also Modern Art Foundry. Most of the article has to do with the replication of the zinc sculptures into bronze by Modern Art Foundry -- ""We feel very proud of this," said Washington Barros, who welded the statues together." The article covers the glamorous aspects of the project. Cleaning and pointing are not quite so glamorous.<BR>
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From New York Press article by David Leslie, 08/21-27/02, "Evel Knievel week
drew international interest amd much income to Butte's (Montana) historic
landmark district, said to be the second largest in the nation after New
Orleans. For me, one of the biggest lures was the temporary Evel Knieval
exhibit at Butte's Piccadilly Museum of Transporation Memorabilia and
Advertising Art, major pieces from which will be permanently housed in the
"Evel Knievel Experience," a museum/attraction that opens in Las Vegas next
summer.
If you happen to have the paper -- the lead in scene between the large black
lady, the ornery racist Texan and the little white guy on the Grayhound bus
on teh way to Butte is a whopper! A suspicious giggle that I let out in the
local Polish restaurant brought me undue staff attention while I was reading
the lead in, waiting for my take-out meal.
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> You can love her if you want, but I don't.
Ralph,
I was not ready to go quite that far... what I said was that we/Apple have
been treated fairly. It is not always the case, sometimes bitterly, and when
it is not the case I hesitate to say anything in public. I figure people will
make their own reputations without too much help from me.
My crazy neighbor, whom I detest very much, welcomes all newcomers to the
neighborhood and quickly tells them to avoid the madman on the corner (me --
if only he had not kidnapped our dog so many years ago). After a few weeks
the newcomers figure out who is crazy, get to meet Kathy, and eventually come
over to meet me. If I put a big sign up in the yard (actually I have been
thinking about making a dancing bear out of bricks to go next to the iris and
the crabapple) it would not do quite so well to inform the neighbors as for
me to leave my crazy unHampton neighbor alone.
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<BR>
Ralph,<BR>
<BR>
I was not ready to go quite that far... what I said was that we/Apple have been treated fairly. It is not always the case, sometimes bitterly, and when it is not the case I hesitate to say anything in public. I figure people will make their own reputations without too much help from me.<BR>
<BR>
My crazy neighbor, whom I detest very much, welcomes all newcomers to the neighborhood and quickly tells them to avoid the madman on the corner (me -- if only he had not kidnapped our dog so many years ago). After a few weeks the newcomers figure out who is crazy, get to meet Kathy, and eventually come over to meet me. If I put a big sign up in the yard (actually I have been thinking about making a dancing bear out of bricks to go next to the iris and the crabapple) it would not do quite so well to inform the neighbors as for me to leave my crazy unHampton neighbor alone.<BR>
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> so often appropriate credit is lacking. Congrats!
Eric,
Humbly appreciated. Our role was a small one in a bigger picture.
Thanks,
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Eric,<BR>
<BR>
Humbly appreciated. Our role was a small one in a bigger picture.<BR>
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Ken Follett wrote:
> . Most of the article has to do with the replication of the zinc
> sculptures into bronze by Modern Art Foundry --
What happened to the original zinc ones?
Curious in NC
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<p>Ken Follett wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>. Most
of the article has to do with the replication of the zinc sculptures into
bronze by Modern Art Foundry --</font></font></blockquote>
<p><br>What happened to the original zinc ones?
<p>Curious in NC
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> Damn... I missed the salute! I demand a REPLAY!
>
>
Fortunately, Charlene in our office got it on videotape.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Damn... I missed the salute! I demand a REPLAY!<BR>
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> Humbly appreciated. Our role was a small one in a bigger picture.
>
>
I'm sure the Bresnans' was a smaller role in a still bigger picture.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Humbly appreciated. Our role was a small one in a bigger picture.<BR>
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Give David D. a call.
David Dauerty
To The Line Timber Frames
39 N Auringer Rd.
Constantia, NY 13044
Phone: 315-623-9722
=====================
John Callan wrote:
> Heidi,
>
> If PTN does not have such a list, some of its members do. I'd suggest getting
> in touch with any PTN member who is also employed by the Pennsylvania Historical
> and Museum Commission. I am not aware that any of them are Pinheads, but there
> might be some lurking.
>
> In any event, there are a number of wood shingle roofs in Eastern Pennsylvania
> that demonstrate confidence in traditional building details and materials.
>
> -jc
>
> Heidi Harendza wrote:
>
> > I have a question for the construction type PINheads--
> >
> > Can anyone offer me suggestions for locating a reliable roofer with
> > experience in historic wood shingle roofs in the central NJ area? Does PTN
> > have a membership list of contractors specializing in wood shingle roofs? I'm
> > working for a week at my old job, and one of my projects is to help find a
> > contractor to reshingle our roof.
> >
> > The board already gotten a bid, but I'm very concerned about the quote-- it
> > seems awfully low, and they've specified tar paper, which is not appropriate
> > for wood shingle roofs. I was hoping to find someone local-- central NJ
> > area-- to do the work, but haven't come up with any names.
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated!!
> >
> > -Heidi
> >
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<font color="#3333FF">Give David D. a call.</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">David Dauerty</font>
<br><font color="#3333FF">To The Line Timber Frames</font>
<br><font color="#3333FF">39 N Auringer Rd.</font>
<br><font color="#3333FF">Constantia, NY 13044</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">Phone: 315-623-9722</font>
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<p>John Callan wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Heidi,
<p>If PTN does not have such a list, some of its members do. I'd
suggest getting
<br>in touch with any PTN member who is also employed by the Pennsylvania
Historical
<br>and Museum Commission. I am not aware that any of them are Pinheads,
but there
<br>might be some lurking.
<p>In any event, there are a number of wood shingle roofs in Eastern Pennsylvania
<br>that demonstrate confidence in traditional building details and materials.
<p>-jc
<p>Heidi Harendza wrote:
<p>> I have a question for the construction type PINheads--
<br>>
<br>> Can anyone offer me suggestions for locating a reliable roofer with
<br>> experience in historic wood shingle roofs in the central NJ area?
Does PTN
<br>> have a membership list of contractors specializing in wood shingle
roofs? I'm
<br>> working for a week at my old job, and one of my projects is to help
find a
<br>> contractor to reshingle our roof.
<br>>
<br>> The board already gotten a bid, but I'm very concerned about the
quote-- it
<br>> seems awfully low, and they've specified tar paper, which is not
appropriate
<br>> for wood shingle roofs. I was hoping to find someone local-- central
NJ
<br>> area-- to do the work, but haven't come up with any names.
<br>>
<br>> Any help would be appreciated!!
<br>>
<br>> -Heidi
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Heidi,
Nice to hear from you. Try my friend Mike Hrebin in Oxford, NJ:
Oxford Contracting
POB 345
Oxford, NJ 07863
tel (908) 453-2584 fax (908) 453-0021
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Mike built a cedar-shingled barn (yours truly's first new building EVER, if
one doesn't count the conc slab and masonry base walls for a pre-fab
greenhouse on the same site) for the for the Reeves-Reed Arboretum here in
Summit. He is a great guy (on the order of ][<en); I don't know whether the
two of you are geographically desirable, however, since he seems to work
mostly for the rich people up here.
Hope all's well with you. How about an update for your Pinhead friends?
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Nice to hear from you. Try my friend Mike Hrebin in Oxford, NJ:<BR>
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Oxford Contracting<BR>
POB 345<BR>
Oxford, NJ 07863<BR>
<BR>
tel (908) 453-2584 fax (908) 453-0021<BR>
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Mike built a cedar-shingled barn (yours truly's first new building EVER, if one doesn't count the conc slab and masonry base walls for a pre-fab greenhouse on the same site) for the for the Reeves-Reed Arboretum here in Summit. He is a great guy (on the order of ][<en); I don't know whether the two of you are geographically desirable, however, since he seems to work mostly for the rich people up here.<BR>
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Hope all's well with you. How about an update for your Pinhead friends?<BR>
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Ralph,
I thought that a real interesting topic. My first new construction was
the reconstruction of a 1756 stockade...on the original site, but after
the farm house had been moved up the hill...probably the best site for
ruffians to fire down into the fort...which they did...probably while
consuming great quantities of their favored beverage. The garrison
surrended due to lack of sleep.
The next one wasn't a building, it was an exhibit. An exhibit of a
building...sort of.
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deb wrote:
> geez, you musta had a different UPS company than I did!
> one of my biggest headaches with UPS and LTL shipments (small jobs of
three
> or four partitions, etc)
> was that I was receiving about one damaged box for every three sent...
> UPS and the trucking companies claimed the
> packaging was inadequate, and
> the shippers claimed the material belonged to me once it left their
> docks....
Inadequate packaging is a standard excuse for UPS destruction of
perfectly well packaged shipments. The technical term for this is, as
Ralph has so eloquently specified, BULLSHIT. As for your vendor
treating your shipment as "not their problem", please see the technical
specifications in the previous sentence.
> the trucking company OS&D usually offered me half of half the value
of the
> damage, or one quarter, and I still had to meet the insurance
investigator,
> rebox the material, file a claim with documentation, wait for trucking
> company pickup, and pay freight on the replacement material, which was
> always late, and usually damaged, as well...
> deb
>
> --
Our solution to the attempted outright thievery of UPS and other
interstate transportation firms (who are no longer subject to anybody's
regulation due to a brilliant downsizing of government and elimination
of the Interstate Commerce Commission) is to give them giant headaches.
UPS gas been under criminal investigation for unfair business practices
because we kept filing complaints with our state's Attorney General's
office. Since our story hit the papers, the complaints against UPS have
been coming out of the woodwork. In the meantime, all disputed bills
are on hold.
Trucking companies are easier to deal with. You don't pay them and you
find another one. They broke it, they bought it. Don't pay your vendor
either until they fix the problem. If we get damaged freight, we don't
pay the bill until its been worked out to our convenience. If we ship
something and it gets damaged, our customer only has to fax us a copy
of the delivery receipt on which they noted the damages. Then we ship
replacement material at no charge. Our trucking companies know they
will not be paid an amount equivalent to the damage until they have
paid us for it. If they try to settle for less, borrow a few technical
terms from Ralph's Histo Presto Lexicon and then sue them in small
claims court. Sue the guy who represents them personally, too.
It's a tough world out there. If we are not good consumers, we will be
doormats to the multitudes of unscrupulous businesses that prey on
small business people whom they count upon to lack the time, expertise
or energy to fight them.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
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Message text written by Jabba the Hutt<
>> Noooooo not a Sears Sucker Suit.
>Nooooo, a Sears sucker shirt. I used to have an ice cream man suit, but=
even though it was only 30 years ago, I don't think it'll fit anymore.<
One of my ex-publishers (at Professional Pilot Magazine) used to like to
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Sign me, not too fat if I can still fit in the Morgan
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> Sign me, not too fat if I can still fit in the Morgan
>
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Don,
No argument there. I wonder if it's a coincidence that we own 2 Toyota
Previas.
Mrs. Ralph, however, could fit in a (Rambler?-- I don't remember who made
them, despite my yout' in California) Metropolitan with room left over for
the little Ralphs.
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No argument there. I wonder if it's a coincidence that we own 2 Toyota Previas. <BR>
<BR>
Mrs. Ralph, however, could fit in a (Rambler?-- I don't remember who made them, despite my yout' in California) Metropolitan with room left over for the little Ralphs.<BR>
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I've often wondered just what does this stand for.
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> Rambler
I think it was American Motors.
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> >> FOB
>
> I've often wondered just what does this stand for.
Steve,
Freight On Board. Means you pay shipping.
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Freight On Board. Means <U>you</U> pay shipping.<BR>
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> >> Rambler
>
> I think it was American Motors.
Do you know when American Motors and Rambler merged? I seem to remember it
as late 50's early 60's, and I think the Metropolitan musta been about 1955.
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Do you know when American Motors and Rambler merged? I seem to remember it as late 50's early 60's, and I think the Metropolitan musta been about 1955. <BR>
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Ken writes:
>I suppose I might get away with saying we
have a house to hold books in. <
My impression of your house from my visit there: a nest of books. I recall
browsing through 5 or 10 books, into the late evening hours, quite
confortable among the blankets and paragraphs, dozing off, then a few
more--a dream of book covers as shingles on the roof above.
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Message text written by Ralph
>I wonder if it's a coincidence that we own 2 Toyota
Previas.
Mrs. Ralph, however, could fit in a (Rambler?-- I don't remember who made=
them, despite my yout' in California) Metropolitan with room left over fo=
r
the little Ralphs.
Ralph<
I am indebted to Daniel Pinkwater for the phrase in the subject line. Did=
you ever hear him talk about his German car? On NPR a couple of years ago=
,
with an encore performance on "Car Talk". =
My other car is a Volvo 240 station wagon--the "Hotel Volvo" at IPTW 2001=
.
Plenty of room. And the Morgan is roomy enough except for the doors,
especially with the original 17-inch steering wheel. It requires a sort o=
f
genuflection to get in and out of the driver's door. Morgan has in recent=
years started making the doors bigger, and the steering wheels smaller. =
The Metropolitan was made by a joint venture of Nash and Austin (in
England); it was an American concept and assembled here, with British
mechanicals (including a four-speed transmission with first blocked off
because Americans weren't used to shifting more than three gears--you can=
imagine the effect on acceleration with the tiny engine) and an
Italian-designed body (Pinin Farina, of all people, designed the entire
'bathtub' Nash line--described by one reviewer--I think it was Tom
McCahill--as "more Wheatena than Farina"). It was the first really
international and multi-make venture. They were sold under all the brand
names of what was becoming American Motors--mostly Nash, but also Hudson,=
and I think even as an AMC with an attempt at calling the Met a 'make' in=
its own right. They have an enthusiastic marque club. By virtue of the
Austin engine, they are included in the annual British Car Day show in
Maryland, where a few dozen usually turn up. =
Around here "rambler' is the name for what the rest of the country calls
'ranch' houses--I always get a chuckle from that, because like the Ramble=
r
cars, rambler houses are considered old-fashioned (in the wrong way), out=
of style, boring and only worthwhile for their utilitarian virtues. They
have no 'curb appeal' and that is the kiss of death for many buyers, who
often won't even get out of the car to look inside one. =
Don
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> Freight On Board. Means you pay shipping.
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Oh yeah, I knew that.
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> "Car Talk".
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Sign me,
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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:15:32 EDT
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Subject: Re: 99% Design
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In a message dated 8/25/2002 10:03:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Dumb as a stick
Maybe, but I bet you wouldn't walk away from a girl who pinched your ass.
I'm dumber than you are, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/25/2002 10:03:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Dumb as a stick</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Maybe, but I bet you wouldn't walk away from a girl who pinched your ass.<BR>
<BR>
I'm dumber than you are, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah.<BR>
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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:25:07 EDT
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Subject: Re: Cars for the circumferentially challenged
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In a message dated 8/25/2002 9:39:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> I am indebted to Daniel Pinkwater for the phrase in the subject line. I like
> that: "circumferentially challenged". But does it refer to those who are,
> shall we say, well endowed, or to those unfortunates who are of
> insignificant horizontal dimension? Did you ever hear him talk about his
> German car? Negatory. On NPR You mean Radio Havana? a couple of years ago,
> with an encore performance on "Car Talk". That's a good show. I was
> thinking the Pinheads should do one called "House Calls" and get paid to
> bullshit, like those speech-impaired (but funny as hell) guys up in Mass.
>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/25/2002 9:39:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I am indebted to Daniel Pinkwater for the phrase in the subject line. <B>I like that: "circumferentially challenged". But does it refer to those who are, shall we say, well endowed, or to those unfortunates who are of insignificant horizontal dimension? </B>Did you ever hear him talk about his German car? <B>Negatory. </B>On NPR <B>You mean Radio Havana? </B>a couple of years ago, with an encore performance on "Car Talk". <B>That's a good show. I was thinking the Pinheads should do one called "House Calls" and get <U>paid</U> to bullshit, like those speech-impaired (but funny as hell) guys up in Mass. </B><BR>
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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:11:18 EDT
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Subject: Re: 99% Design
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In a message dated 8/25/2002 12:16:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Maybe, but I bet you wouldn't walk away from a girl who pinched your ass.
>
Okay, you take the cake. You've got me beat.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/25/2002 12:16:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Maybe, but I bet you wouldn't walk away from a girl who pinched your ass.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:06:40 -0400
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Subject: Re: Dog Mining
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From: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: Dog Mining
In a message dated 8/16/2002 2:09:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
This was the same kind soul who put up signs, coming off the elevator, =
telling workers not to urinate on his terrace. I would have been happy =
to place a porto-potty, or several in front of his bulding. As I =
remember he had two black Labs that I am sure would never consider =
urinating on their owner's terrace.
Oh, I could think of numerous things to do to this !#@%#$! but there are =
ladies on the list.
Steve, there is at least one lady on the list (me), who laughed =
delightedly when a co-worker on a scaffold expressed a desire to =
politely drop a brick thru the sunroof of a jaguar whose owner was =
blasting his/her horn for a number of minutes at some poor slob who was =
blocking the street picking up the garbage or something..... =20
and they thought brick CHIPS in the areaway were bad.... if they ONLY =
knew what evil lurks in the hearts of ladies ;)
sign me, the flying nun
ps.... remember the car in every driveway, chicken in every pot =
scenario from years ago? well, forget the democratic middle placement; =
I vote for a portopotty on every terrace, myself ;) =20
it's only fair that everyone should get a chance to use them, and hell, =
these folks can't complain.... they, at least, could step right out the =
back door to use the facilities..... we have to bring down the rig, =
clean our boots, thread our way thru a multi-level rabbit warren of =
subcellar tunnels and stairwells, emerge onto the sidewalk, circle =
around the block from one street to another to the next, and enter the =
democratically-situated potty on the street, all the while expecting to =
be ejected from said portapotty in the event that during our use of the =
facility, one of the insane cabbies or upscale =
outta-my-way-my-range-rover-can-kick-anybody's-ass drivers jetting past =
"nudges" it a little.....
is this a great country or what ?!?
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 16, 2002 10:52 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Dog Mining</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3D"Goudy =
Old Style"=20
size=3D4 FAMILY=3D"SERIF">In a message dated 8/16/2002 2:09:30 PM =
Eastern Daylight=20
Time, <A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>=20
writes:<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">This was the same kind soul who put up signs, coming off =
the=20
elevator, telling workers not to urinate on his terrace. I would have =
been=20
happy to place a porto-potty, or several in front of his bulding. As I =
remember he had two black Labs that I am sure would never consider =
urinating=20
on their owner's terrace.<BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D"Goudy Old Style" =
color=3D#000000 size=3D4=20
FAMILY=3D"SERIF"><BR>Oh, I could think of numerous things to do to this =
!#@%#$!=20
but there are ladies on the list.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D"Goudy =
Old Style"=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D4 FAMILY=3D"SERIF"><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D"Goudy =
Old Style"=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D4 FAMILY=3D"SERIF"><FONT size=3D2>Steve, there is =
at least one=20
lady on the list (me), who laughed delightedly when a co-worker on a =
scaffold=20
expressed a desire to politely drop a brick thru the sunroof of a =
jaguar=20
whose owner was blasting his/her horn for a number of minutes at some =
poor slob=20
who was blocking the street picking up the garbage or =
something..... =20
</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D"Goudy =
Old Style"=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D4 FAMILY=3D"SERIF"><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D"Goudy =
Old Style"=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D4 FAMILY=3D"SERIF"><FONT size=3D2>and they =
thought brick CHIPS in=20
the areaway were bad.... if they ONLY knew what =
evil lurks=20
in the hearts of ladies ;)</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>sign me, the flying nun</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>ps.... remember the car in every driveway, =
chicken in=20
every pot scenario from years ago? well, forget the democratic =
middle=20
placement; I vote for a portopotty on every terrace, =
myself =20
;) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>it's only fair that everyone should get a chance to =
use them,=20
and hell, these folks can't complain.... they, at least, =
could=20
step right out the back door to use the facilities..... we have to =
bring=20
down the rig, clean our boots, thread our way thru a multi-level rabbit =
warren=20
of subcellar tunnels and stairwells, emerge onto the sidewalk, circle =
around the=20
block from one street to another to the next, and enter the=20
democratically-situated potty on the street, all the while expecting to =
be=20
ejected from said portapotty in the event that during our use of the =
facility,=20
one of the insane cabbies or upscale=20
outta-my-way-my-range-rover-can-kick-anybody's-ass drivers jetting past =
"nudges"=20
it a little.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>is this a great country or what ?!?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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Old Style"=20
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 06:24:07 EDT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 99% Design
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In a message dated 8/25/2002 11:53:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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>
> >> Maybe, but I bet you wouldn't walk away from a girl who pinched your ass.
>>
>
> Okay, you take the cake. You've got me beat.
Steve,
You have accepted your defeat nobly.
Victor
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/25/2002 11:53:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Maybe, but I bet you wouldn't walk away from a girl who pinched your ass.<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Okay, you take the cake. You've got me beat.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Steve,<BR>
<BR>
You have accepted your defeat nobly.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 06:26:24 EDT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Nationalistic Dog Mining
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In a message dated 8/26/2002 3:27:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> is this a great country or what ?!?
>
>
Deb,
Consider the alternatives.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/26/2002 3:27:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">is this a great country or what ?!?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Deb,<BR>
<BR>
Consider the alternatives.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:30:34 EDT
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: My Book House
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In a message dated 8/24/2002 12:44:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> a nest of books
John,
You have such a fine way with words.
Thanks,
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/24/2002 12:44:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">a nest of books</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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John,<BR>
<BR>
You have such a fine way with words.<BR>
<BR>
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Potty Mining
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In a message dated 8/26/2002 12:27:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> all the while expecting to be ejected from said portapotty in the event that
> during our use of the facility, one of the insane cabbies or upscale
> outta-my-way-my-range rover-can-kick-anybody's-ass drivers jetting past
> "nudges" it a little.....
Then customers, especially out-of-town ones, wonder why I put clauses into
the proposal insisting that they supply access for the workforce to a
bathroom. Or a termination clause based on a perceived hi-frequency of
irritating self-centered phone calls demanding instant service. Next time I'm
faced with a shut-out on the bathroom I'm going to tell the customer to get
hosed. I strongly suspect we are paying the price of this customer wanting to
irritate their neighbors.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/26/2002 12:27:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">all the while expecting to be ejected from said portapotty in the event that during our use of the facility, one of the insane cabbies or upscale outta-my-way-my-range rover-can-kick-anybody's-ass drivers jetting past "nudges" it a little.....</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Then customers, especially out-of-town ones, wonder why I put clauses into the proposal insisting that they supply access for the workforce to a bathroom. Or a termination clause based on a perceived hi-frequency of irritating self-centered phone calls demanding instant service. Next time I'm faced with a shut-out on the bathroom I'm going to tell the customer to get hosed. I strongly suspect we are paying the price of this customer wanting to irritate their neighbors.<BR>
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> In a message dated 8/20/2002 3:21:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> > Styrene is an inherently UV-unstable material which will discolor
and break
> > down mechanically outdoors. It's DOA, as far as I'm concerned.
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> Michael,
>
> I was thinking Kemperol with the 50 (??) year warranty. Used not
only on
> parking decks but as a roofing membrane on the top of the Empire
State
> Building, the Pan Am (Met Life) building and on water containment
and dams in
> Washington State. Is this what you are refering to as UV-unstable?
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> Very much thanks for the definition of elastomeric... previously I
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While I am not particularly familiar with Kemperol, I am sticking with
the "styrene as inherently UV unstable" comment. Actually, my comments
regarding styrene membranes were specifically aimed at a highly hyped
styrenated latex-modified cementitious system marketed by a small but
loud firm in NJ.
As for "straight" styrene, i.e., without cement, just think
fiberglass. Or vinyl siding. They will be there for a long time
because they are thick and UV degradation only attacks a
microscopically thin surface layer, which degrades and erodes away
slowly over time.
As for "elastomeric" being a snake oil term, you are pretty much on
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adopted. There are companies calling their house paint elastomeric,
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> Ralph,
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> Next time I'm faced with a shut-out on the bathroom I'm going to tell the customer to get hosed. I strongly suspect we are paying the price of this customer wanting to irritate
> their neighbors.
Right on, Brother!
Power to the People!
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For another angle on the issue we have a real problem with contractors
trashing our bathrooms (this is on jobs that involve total guts, interior
excavation, etc., in short some real messy jobs). We've tried to give them
a bathroom of their own but they didn't maintain them. We have a job going
on now where they are trying to use our bathrooms on the sly but it's pretty
obvious.
Some guys evidently have never had to clean up after themselves and so are
oblivious to the mess they leave behind.
It becomes a tough issue when they take their lunch or coffee break and use
our (on-campus) cafeteria (they are encouraged to do so because we need the
volume, especially during the summer when the students aren't here). They
should have John Q. Public status at that point...
Bruce
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all the while expecting to be ejected from said portapotty in the event that
during our use of the facility, one of the insane cabbies or upscale
outta-my-way-my-range rover-can-kick-anybody's-ass drivers jetting past
"nudges" it a little.....
Then customers, especially out-of-town ones, wonder why I put clauses into
the proposal insisting that they supply access for the workforce to a
bathroom. Or a termination clause based on a perceived hi-frequency of
irritating self-centered phone calls demanding instant service. Next time
I'm faced with a shut-out on the bathroom I'm going to tell the customer to
get hosed. I strongly suspect we are paying the price of this customer
wanting to irritate their neighbors.
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<DIV><SPAN class=100234114-27082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>For
another angle on the issue we have a real problem with contractors trashing our
bathrooms (this is on jobs that involve total guts, interior excavation, etc.,
in short some real messy jobs). We've tried to give them a bathroom of
their own but they didn't maintain them. We have a job going on now where
they are trying to use our bathrooms on the sly but it's pretty
obvious.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=100234114-27082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Some
guys evidently have never had to clean up after themselves and so are oblivious
to the mess they leave behind.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=100234114-27082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>It
becomes a tough issue when they take their lunch or coffee break and use our
(on-campus) cafeteria (they are encouraged to do so because we need the volume,
especially during the summer when the students aren't here). They should
have John Q. Public status at that point...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ken Follett
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Potty Mining<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2>In a
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the event that during our use of the facility, one of the insane cabbies or
upscale outta-my-way-my-range rover-can-kick-anybody's-ass drivers jetting
past "nudges" it a little.....</FONT><FONT color=#000000
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" FAMILY = SANSSERIF><BR>Then customers,
especially out-of-town ones, wonder why I put clauses into the proposal
insisting that they supply access for the workforce to a bathroom. Or a
termination clause based on a perceived hi-frequency of irritating self-centered
phone calls demanding instant service. Next time I'm faced with a shut-out on
the bathroom I'm going to tell the customer to get hosed. I strongly suspect we
are paying the price of this customer wanting to irritate their
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I have had success with Island Housewrights of Staten Island. Please see
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Eric Hammarberg
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Subject: Roofing question
I have a question for the construction type PINheads--
Can anyone offer me suggestions for locating a reliable roofer with
experience in historic wood shingle roofs in the central NJ area? Does PTN
have a membership list of contractors specializing in wood shingle roofs?
I'm
working for a week at my old job, and one of my projects is to help find a
contractor to reshingle our roof.
The board already gotten a bid, but I'm very concerned about the quote-- it
seems awfully low, and they've specified tar paper, which is not appropriate
for wood shingle roofs. I was hoping to find someone local-- central NJ
area-- to do the work, but haven't come up with any names.
Any help would be appreciated!!
-Heidi
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Hey, those oil-dipped cedar shingles (on cape-type houses) always look so
cool. Is that all they do, that is, look cool? Or does the oil really
increase (or even decrease?) the life of the shingle?
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I just wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions-- it has been very
helpful!!
Y'all are the best.
The roof here at the Temple House is one of the building's best features--
we've still got the 18th century framing system, complete with collar ties,
pegged and scored with roman numerals. It's the best part of the whole
building (in my opinion) and I want to do the roof justice.
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In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:34:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Hey, those oil-dipped cedar shingles (on cape-type houses) always look so cool. Is that all they do, that is, look cool? Or does the oil really increase (or even decrease?) the
> life of the shingle?
Da earl pretects da wood frum da sun an water an stuff. It also allows you to have a consistent color. At the fabulous Reeves-Reed Aboretum, we decided on the basis of sample shingles not to have the roof or sidewall shingles stained. When they finally removed all the old ones, we found that a few had been stained before they were installed in 1889. We now have shingled walls and roofs in varying states of discoloration due to fading, water runoff, mold/mildew. At the stained shingle Walter Residence a mile or 2 away, we have nice, uniform-looking gray-stained cedar shingles.
It's also possible that seaside shingles are somehow dicolored more uniformly by salt air, but I somehow doubt it. I bet the bastards stain them.
Ralph
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In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 1:34:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> The roof here at the Temple House is one of the building's best features--
> we've still got the 18th century framing system, complete with collar ties,
> pegged and scored with roman numerals. It's the best part
> of the whole
> building (in my opinion) and I want to do the roof justice.
Heidi,
No justice, no peace.
As I remember when I was trying to figure out how to treat the shingles at the Reeves-Reed Arboretum, I asked Bill Brookover (who is or was the NPS Archt for Independence Hall) what to do and his answer was that they had NOT treated their shingles. They may have gotten fancy-shmancy swamp-preserved white cedar shingles or something, as opposed to regular commercially produced red cedar that we got in Summit.
There were reports of deterioration problems between the oils or tannins or some damn thing in the cedar and the runoff from copper flashing, which as I remember was never fully resolved; I don't remember which ate the other, but I have a feeling the combination was bad for the cedar. The Western Red Cedar Shingle & Shake Bureau people in Seattle (or somewhere up there) should have current info on the compatibility issue. We also used some sort of drainage mat (Cedarbreather, by Benj Opdyke, I think) beneath the roof shingles, so the shingles got to "breathe" and their undersides didn't stay wet against tar paper.
Keep us posted.
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The night sky was un earthly;
towering clouds black and red with
massive electrical storms danced cock-eyed in the distance.
Above us only stars and a blood red moon to the East that waned putrid
in sultry southern humidity;
Gods from the West hurled their furious bolts of forked lighting
in sheeted arcs that battled back and forth over the skys of the
Mississippi Delta;.
in bone bleached flashes of light casting dread into the eyes of man and
beast.
I held little Marys hand in silence as we watched the awesome display from
the tranquility of the catfish pond and our old jeep.
Fish nibbled the ponds surface as lunar moths dove into the shimmery
reflections made by the headlamps that drifted dreamily through the
steamy body of water..
.Their suicidal dives a foretaste of dangerous attraction that afflicts us
all.. . .
Old or young ; this was primeval .
It has awakened some distant memory of our origin, tranquility and storm in
tempest.
We cut the lights; and watch the armed struggle illumine the entire
horizon;
it crackles the background of a radio Gospel hour making it whirr; and
sputter into eerie sing song of some long ago time.
The storm was now making its approach to us from hundreds of miles away;
We held tight .
In time pillars of black clouds took the sky above; creeping in high
cascades and stealing stars; setting the crickets silent, while unleashing
hot winds that rustle and gush sudden through live oak and scented
magnolia.
It was time to head for the barn.
The starter motor spun , then caught the engine into a purr. The short block
eased forward in gear upon release of the clutch; and
We took off in steady roll across the pastures as the clouds thickened and
lowered sickly menace.
Usually out here I let Mary drive because there is little trouble she can
get into .
Not tonight; big storm coming ; time to get home and put it to bed.
Just as we entered the screen door there was a crash of lighting that rattled
the dishware ;
I stood mesmerized as Mary scampered within
as the sky opened in a pelting black rain
In seconds there was another crash
only this time it was the bathroom door
Fearing the worst ; I made right for it ;
by the time I got there Mary had dropped her diaper and had positioned
herself well up on the throne ;
Then with the rain drumming our tin roof ; and smiles all around ;Little
Mary; executed her first pee; by herself
to the applause of the dog and her amazed and grateful parents whose .
prayers for this day have been answered.
Hoo- ray there is a God
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> We also used some sort of drainage mat (Cedarbreather, by Benj Opdyke, I
> think) beneath the roof shingles, so the shingles got to "breathe" and
their
> undersides didn't stay wet against tar paper.
Well... as far as I know... we won't be using any tar paper. There isn't a
subroof or anything... just rafters and shingles and shingle lath. I did read
about the copper -cedar issue, so one of the roofing contractors that has
been helping me set up our specifications recommended lead-coated copper.
Any other caveats that you can think of? Tell me now so I don't look like a
goob-- I'll throw myself off a bridge if I screw this one up after being
called in as the "expert."
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> Hey, those oil-dipped cedar shingles (on cape-type houses) always look so
> cool. Is that all they do, that is, look cool? Or does the oil really
> increase (or even decrease?) the life of the shingle?
I saw some really cool tar covered shingles at the Vernacular Architecture
Forum conference in Virginia this spring. Apparently was fairly common
practice in 18th century to extend the life of the shingle.
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Heidi,
Other caveats:
Set minimum and maximum width of shingles
Specify stainless steel nails
No nail guns
do not drive nails home
triple starter course
sspecify and detail ridges, comb or boston, open side away from wind
detail ridge and valleys
specify gutter hangers and verify that they are available
Specify sawn/split-sawn/split shingles
Detail and specify weather
Don't freak out when you see daylight through the finished roof.
That's all I can think of right off the top.
Hey Ralph, what do you suppose happens when the nail attaches the shingle to the
lathe with the Cedar Breather between?
At least it should keep out bats and other small mammals.
-jc
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> In a message dated 08/27/2002 5:09:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> > We also used some sort of drainage mat (Cedarbreather, by Benj Opdyke, I
> > think) beneath the roof shingles, so the shingles got to "breathe" and
> their
> > undersides didn't stay wet against tar paper.
>
> Well... as far as I know... we won't be using any tar paper. There isn't a
> subroof or anything... just rafters and shingles and shingle lath. I did read
> about the copper -cedar issue, so one of the roofing contractors that has
> been helping me set up our specifications recommended lead-coated copper.
>
> Any other caveats that you can think of? Tell me now so I don't look like a
> goob-- I'll throw myself off a bridge if I screw this one up after being
> called in as the "expert."
>
> -Heidi
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Heidi,
<p>Other caveats:
<p>Set minimum and maximum width of shingles
<br>Specify stainless steel nails
<br>No nail guns
<br>do not drive nails home
<br>triple starter course
<br>sspecify and detail ridges, comb or boston, open side away from wind
<br>detail ridge and valleys
<br>specify gutter hangers and verify that they are available
<br>Specify sawn/split-sawn/split shingles
<br>Detail and specify weather
<br>Don't freak out when you see daylight through the finished roof.
<p>That's all I can think of right off the top.
<p><b>Hey Ralph</b>, what do you suppose happens when the nail attaches
the shingle to the lathe with the Cedar Breather between?
<p>At least it should keep out bats and other small mammals.
<p>-jc
<p>Heidi Harendza wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>In a message dated 08/27/2002 5:09:01 PM Eastern
Daylight Time,
<br>[log in to unmask] writes:
<p>> We also used some sort of drainage mat (Cedarbreather, by Benj
Opdyke, I
<br>> think) beneath the roof shingles, so the shingles got to "breathe"
and
<br>their
<br>> undersides didn't stay wet against tar paper.
<p>Well... as far as I know... we won't be using any tar paper. There isn't
a
<br>subroof or anything... just rafters and shingles and shingle lath.
I did read
<br>about the copper -cedar issue, so one of the roofing contractors that
has
<br>been helping me set up our specifications recommended lead-coated copper.
<p>Any other caveats that you can think of? Tell me now so I don't look
like a
<br>goob-- I'll throw myself off a bridge if I screw this one up after
being
<br>called in as the "expert."
<p>-Heidi
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> executed her first pee; by herself
>
Give my congratulations to Little Miss Mary on her achievement.
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> Tell me now so I don't look like a
> goob-- I'll throw myself off a bridge if I screw this one up after being
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>
Can't think of any. But don't throw yourself off a bridge just because some
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> I saw some really cool tar covered shingles at the Vernacular Architecture
> Forum conference in Virginia this spring. Apparently was fairly common
> practice in 18th century to extend the life of the shingle.
>
Maybe they'll try it on Ted Williams.
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Hello,
I work occasionally with Donald Baerman, AIA, who I believe was the
first person to write an article on the copper/cedar thing. I convinced
him to finally go back to copper (it looks good with wood). I have used
and seen copper with cedar all my life and have not see problems in
deference to what I have read. I called a technical person at Obdyke
and Revere a few years back but can't remember what their response was!
You should call and let us know.
Yale insists on continuing the use of lead coated copper, which
is an environmental hazard as well as a worker issue (which is not
covered by OSHA or EPA). Someone should do a study on lead content of
water run off and blood levels of roofers who handle the stuff all day.
As well, within a few years the lead has worn off at drip points (gee,
where did it go, Dave?) and the copper shows through. I suggest using
copper and increasing the gauge at valleys.
Don't get me wrong, I love lead. It is great to work and can be
very pretty. It is truly the best thing ever added to paint, But if it
is truly a hazard we should not continue using it.
Best,
Leland
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> We also used some sort of drainage mat (Cedarbreather, by Benj
> Opdyke, I
> think) beneath the roof shingles, so the shingles got to "breathe" and
their
> undersides didn't stay wet against tar paper.
Well... as far as I know... we won't be using any tar paper. There isn't
a subroof or anything... just rafters and shingles and shingle lath. I
did read about the copper -cedar issue, so one of the roofing
contractors that has been helping me set up our specifications
recommended lead-coated copper.
Any other caveats that you can think of? Tell me now so I don't look
like a
goob-- I'll throw myself off a bridge if I screw this one up after being
called in as the "expert."
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Heidi:
>>Any other caveats that you can think of? Tell me now so I don't look like
a
goob--
I would't want you to look too gooby, so I suggest you check out my "Making
Wood Shingles Last" article in the May 1990 issue of
Old-House Journal. It describes how to select out the shingles that are
going to fail first, making the roof last longer.
John Leeke
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An 1896 advertisement for the the 10-story Ardea apartment house, built in
1893 at 33 West 12th Street:
"New fire-proof apartment house, one apartment each floor, elevator and all
modern improvements; exposed plumbing; seven large rooms and bath, all light,
southerly exposure to sun and air; no well holes; unsurpassed in finish and
conveniences by any in the city."
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> Any guesses on what "well holes" refer to?
Either dug water wells or dry wells.
Steve Stokowski
Stone Products Consultants
Building Products Microscopy
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Either dug water wells or dry wells.<BR>
<BR>
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Could it refer to light wells or do you folks call them areaways or light
shafts? I'm thinking of the holes you see in some larger buildings to let
air and light into the interior rooms.
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"New fire-proof apartment house, one apartment each floor, elevator and all
modern improvements; exposed plumbing; seven large rooms and bath, all
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it refer to light wells or do you folks call them areaways or light
shafts? I'm thinking of the holes you see in some larger buildings to let
air and light into the interior rooms.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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"no well holes"<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT
size=3>An 1896 advertisement for the the 10-story Ardea apartment house, built
in 1893 at 33 West 12th Street: <BR><BR>"New fire-proof apartment house,
one apartment each floor, elevator and all modern improvements; exposed
plumbing; seven large rooms and bath, all light, southerly exposure to sun and
air; no well holes; unsurpassed in finish and conveniences by any in the
city." <BR><BR>Any guesses on what "well holes" refer to?
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> Could it refer to light wells or do you folks call them areaways or light
> shafts?
Yes, although I have never seen that coinage before. But I sent it out to
bullamanka-space with the idea that some plumbing nut might have a different
idea. Indeed, the building has no closed light courts, only wide slots to
the rear.
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Chris:
My Means Illustrated Construction Dictionary says a "well, wellhole [note it
is shown as one word] (1) Any enclosed space of considerable height, such as
an air shaft or the space around which a stair winds [stairwells above a
ceertain height now have to be closed in for safety and fire reasons]. (2) A
collection device for ground water. (3) A wall around a tree trunk to hold
back soil. (4) A slot in a machine or device into which a part fits."
None of these seems to be very good as an item, the lack of which, is worth
calling out as a major selling point for a building though the idea of a
well or cistern in the basement might be if it could be seen as a health
hazard (hence it following the "all light, southerly exposure to sun and
air" which I presume is mentioned for its health benefits).
Is this about the time of the TB concerns?
Signed, don't know much about history...
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[log in to unmask] writes:
Could it refer to light wells or do you folks call them areaways or light
shafts?
Yes, although I have never seen that coinage before. But I sent it out to
bullamanka-space with the idea that some plumbing nut might have a different
idea. Indeed, the building has no closed light courts, only wide slots to
the rear.
Best, Christopher
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<DIV><SPAN class=430293218-28082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>My
Means Illustrated Construction Dictionary says a "well, wellhole [note it
is shown as one word] (1) Any enclosed space of considerable height, such as an
air shaft or the space around which a stair winds [stairwells above a ceertain
height now have to be closed in for safety and fire reasons]. (2) A collection
device for ground water. (3) A wall around a tree trunk to hold back soil. (4) A
slot in a machine or device into which a part fits."</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=430293218-28082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>None
of these seems to be very good as an item, the lack of which, is worth calling
out as a major selling point for a building though the idea of a well or cistern
in the basement might be if it could be seen as a health hazard (hence it
following the "all light, southerly exposure to sun and air" which I
presume is mentioned for its health benefits). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=430293218-28082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Is
this about the time of the TB concerns?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=430293218-28082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
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Leland,
The run off from cedar appears to eat pin holes and bigger in copper
gutters. I was frustrated for a long time by my inability to find an
authoritative text source. All I had to go on was the word of the elders
of our profession...but when Jim Askins is one of them elders, its good
enough for me.
Meanwhile I ran into a fun little contemptory detail. Cedar used on the
sloped underside of a canapy thing. Copper clad columns holding the canopy
up. The copper adjacent to the dedar ceiling, catching the run off, is
shiny and new looking. Lower it has a nice developing patina. Seems to me
that if I wanted to keep copper shiny I'd have to scrub it with something
mildly abrasive every few days. I suggest that the cedar run off is doing
the same thing.
I would not use copper in flashings, valley flashings or gutters on a cedar
roof. I do use it for ridge flashing. In that condition it appears to
prevent the growth of mold on the shingles. I believe I stole that one
from someone in NPS also...probably Askins...or one who was influenced by
him.
I'd like to read Baerman's article, can you tell me where to find it?
Don't be surprised when Revere, RCSSB or other suppliers and manufacturers
don't seem to know anything about incompatibilities. Read the fine print.
Also, note what they are guaranteeing for performance. Lots of wood
shingle roofs are not leaking that are covered...or partially covered with
completely rotted shingles. That's what happens when you make the shingle
a reduntant system. Building materials need to do work. Kind of like us.
-jc
Leland Torrence wrote:
> Hello,
> I work occasionally with Donald Baerman, AIA, who I believe was the
> first person to write an article on the copper/cedar thing. I convinced
> him to finally go back to copper (it looks good with wood). I have used
> and seen copper with cedar all my life and have not see problems in
> deference to what I have read. I called a technical person at Obdyke
> and Revere a few years back but can't remember what their response was!
> You should call and let us know.
> Yale insists on continuing the use of lead coated copper, which
> is an environmental hazard as well as a worker issue (which is not
> covered by OSHA or EPA). Someone should do a study on lead content of
> water run off and blood levels of roofers who handle the stuff all day.
> As well, within a few years the lead has worn off at drip points (gee,
> where did it go, Dave?) and the copper shows through. I suggest using
> copper and increasing the gauge at valleys.
> Don't get me wrong, I love lead. It is great to work and can be
> very pretty. It is truly the best thing ever added to paint, But if it
> is truly a hazard we should not continue using it.
> Best,
> Leland
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> > We also used some sort of drainage mat (Cedarbreather, by Benj
> > Opdyke, I
> > think) beneath the roof shingles, so the shingles got to "breathe" and
> their
> > undersides didn't stay wet against tar paper.
>
> Well... as far as I know... we won't be using any tar paper. There isn't
> a subroof or anything... just rafters and shingles and shingle lath. I
> did read about the copper -cedar issue, so one of the roofing
> contractors that has been helping me set up our specifications
> recommended lead-coated copper.
>
> Any other caveats that you can think of? Tell me now so I don't look
> like a
> goob-- I'll throw myself off a bridge if I screw this one up after being
> called in as the "expert."
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Chris,
A "well" can be the framed opening into which a stair or chimney is
inserted. With a 10 story building, could "no open wells" mean that
there was not a 10 story open stairwell and therefore be better
protected against fire.
Mitch
Met History wrote:
> An 1896 advertisement for the the 10-story Ardea apartment house,
> built in 1893 at 33 West 12th Street:
>
> "New fire-proof apartment house, one apartment each floor, elevator
> and all modern improvements; exposed plumbing; seven large rooms and
> bath, all light, southerly exposure to sun and air; no well holes;
> unsurpassed in finish and conveniences by any in the city."
>
> Any guesses on what "well holes" refer to? Christopher Gray
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Chris,
<br>A "well" can be the framed opening into which a stair or chimney is
inserted. With a 10 story building, could "no open wells" mean that there
was not a 10 story open stairwell and therefore be better protected against
fire.
<br>Mitch
<p>Met History wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=+0>An 1896
advertisement for the the 10-story Ardea apartment house, built in 1893
at 33 West 12th Street:</font></font>
<p><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=+0>"New fire-proof apartment
house, one apartment each floor, elevator and all modern improvements;
exposed plumbing; seven large rooms and bath, all light, southerly exposure
to sun and air; no well holes; unsurpassed in finish and conveniences by
any in the city."</font></font>
<p><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=+0>Any guesses on what "well
holes" refer to? Christopher Gray</font></font></blockquote>
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> A "well" can be the framed opening into which a stair or chimney is
> inserted. With a 10 story building, could "no open wells" mean that there
> was not a 10 story open stairwell and therefore be better protected against
> fire.
Dear Yukon Guy: I just visited the building today (really cool, will report
later). Neat idea, but the 10 story stairway is indeed open, all the way to
the top.
The Perfect Flue!
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<BR>Dear Yukon Guy: I just visited the building today (really cool, will report later). Neat idea, but the 10 story stairway is indeed open, all the way to the top.
<BR>The Perfect Flue!
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In a message dated 8/28/02 4:01:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> A "well" can be the framed opening into which a stair or chimney is
> inserted. With a 10 story building, could "no open wells" mean that there
> was not a 10 story open stairwell and therefore be better protected against
> fire.
> Mitch Met History wrote:
> >> <snip
"New fire-proof apartment house, one apartment each floor, elevator
> >> and all modern improvements;
>
Except for the 10 story elevator shaft that would make a nice chimney. I
think the reference is to either water wells or dry wells.
Steve Stokowski
Stone Products Consultants
Building Products Microscopy
10 Clark St., Ste. A
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A "well" can be the framed opening into which a stair or chimney is inserted. With a 10 story building, could "no open wells" mean that there was not a 10 story open stairwell and therefore be better protected against fire. <BR>
Mitch Met History wrote: <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><snip</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0">"New fire-proof apartment house, one apartment each floor, elevator </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">and all modern improvements; </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Except for the 10 story elevator shaft that would make a nice chimney. I think the reference is to either water wells or dry wells.<BR>
<BR>
Steve Stokowski<BR>
Stone Products Consultants<BR>
Building Products Microscopy<BR>
10 Clark St., Ste. A<BR>
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In a message dated 8/28/02 4:12:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Dear Yukon Guy: I just visited the building today (really cool, will report
> later). Neat idea, but the 10 story stairway is indeed open, all the way
> to the top.
> The Perfect Flue!
>
> Sign me, Who Remembers Our Discussion of Glacier Glass in 1998?
>
>
>
I think whoever it was was right about the n.w.h referring to a design
without light wells (which is to say, proviiding windows on the aides withour
a dumbbell tenement plan). I can't see sophisticated NYers giving a damn
about well holes as sources of water, and can't imagine that open stairwells
were on anybody's radar screens as a fire danger back then.
When we inspected the bldg that collapsed in Harlem a ffew years back, it had
a weird-shaped plan which seems to me was rather E-shaped, but which also had
well-holes along the property lines.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Dear Yukon Guy: I just visited the building today (really cool, will report later). Neat idea, but the 10 story stairway is indeed open, all the way to the top. <BR>
The Perfect Flue! <BR>
<BR>
Sign me, Who Remembers Our Discussion of Glacier Glass in 1998? </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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I think whoever it was was right about the n.w.h referring to a design without light wells (which is to say, proviiding windows on the aides withour a dumbbell tenement plan). I can't see sophisticated NYers giving a damn about well holes as sources of water, and can't imagine that open stairwells were on anybody's radar screens as a fire danger back then. <BR>
<BR>
When we inspected the bldg that collapsed in Harlem a ffew years back, it had a weird-shaped plan which seems to me was rather E-shaped, but which also had well-holes along the property lines.<BR>
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I have a pair of beautiful faucet sets, one ancient brass, one nickeled steel
(both c. 1905-1915) that my Vineyard plumber says are "ground out".
But plumbers on the Vineyard are not preservation minded, and I have taken
them with me to New York (I'll toss the cheapo replacements if I can fix
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Try:
- NY Replacement Parts on Lexington and about 93rd St
- George Taylor in Tribeca (I forget the address but maybe Hudson and
Laight)
Also, try taking them apart and figuring out what might be worn and try to
replace those piece(s) at a GOOD supply house
Eric Hammarberg
Associate Director of Preservation
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I have a pair of beautiful faucet sets, one ancient brass, one nickeled
steel (both c. 1905-1915) that my Vineyard plumber says are "ground out".
But plumbers on the Vineyard are not preservation minded, and I have taken
them with me to New York (I'll toss the cheapo replacements if I can fix
these). Where would I go for a second opinion? Christopher Gray
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:54:47 -0400
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I think Ralph is correct. These bldg plans were probably in accordance with
zoning, as I recall there is the Old Tenement Law, New-Old Tenement Law and
New Tenement Law but can not recall the years they were active.
Eric Hammarberg
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In a message dated 8/28/02 4:12:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Dear Yukon Guy: I just visited the building today (really cool, will report
later). Neat idea, but the 10 story stairway is indeed open, all the way to
the top.
The Perfect Flue!
Sign me, Who Remembers Our Discussion of Glacier Glass in 1998?
I think whoever it was was right about the n.w.h referring to a design
without light wells (which is to say, proviiding windows on the aides
withour a dumbbell tenement plan). I can't see sophisticated NYers giving a
damn about well holes as sources of water, and can't imagine that open
stairwells were on anybody's radar screens as a fire danger back then.
When we inspected the bldg that collapsed in Harlem a ffew years back, it
had a weird-shaped plan which seems to me was rather E-shaped, but which
also had well-holes along the property lines.
Ralph
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Butler McCook House, Hartford Connecticut, August 4, 2002
An SUV drove into the front of the oldest known surviving house in Hartford
striking the right side of the front doorway and head on into the partition
separating the center hall and the southwest parlor. It stopped in the room
with its front right quarter against the chimney stack. In doing so the
later 19th century white marble coal grate surround was damaged. The room
can be seen before the accident in the latest issue of The Magazine
Antiques. I am looking for someone who can either restore the damaged
surround or create a duplicate. This must be first rate work. $ 3.2 was
spent on the restoration of the property so I am told. And the driver of
the SUV?, drunk, stolen vehicle, no insurance, what did you expect.
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> Not likely, Ken...you'd have plenty of company in the water, including
> most of us from B-P....
Dan,
At IPTW 2002 in WV I was told a story about a woman that had thrown herself
off the bridge where our event was held. She survived. She then threw herself
off another bridge. Again, she survived. She then threw herself off another
bridge.
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<BR>
Dan,<BR>
<BR>
At IPTW 2002 in WV I was told a story about a woman that had thrown herself off the bridge where our event was held. She survived. She then threw herself off another bridge. Again, she survived. She then threw herself off another bridge.<BR>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Follett
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:10 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Roofing question
>=20
>=20
> At IPTW 2002 in WV I was told a story about a woman that had=20
> thrown herself off the bridge where our event was held. She=20
> survived. She then threw herself off another bridge. Again,=20
> she survived. She then threw herself off another bridge.
Hey...we're all experts at what we do. I'm sure we'd all be successful
on the first try.
Gotta admire her persistence, even if she wasn't too good at evaluating
alternative methodologies....
__________________________________________________
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Raleigh Historic I have a brain!"
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Sometimes the seats were integrally part of the casting, and there's no
part to replace.=20
There is an article in the October Old House Journal issue that just
arrived yesterday about maintaining and extending the life of old
faucets...George Taylor Specialties (Chris, Valerie, and John Christou)
is the star with pics and all; they list the contact info (76 Franklin
Street, 10013, 212/226-5369), so you better call them right
now...they're going to be real busy real soon, if they're not all ready.
Dan
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> From: Hammarberg, Eric
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:50 AM
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>=20
>=20
> Try:
> - NY Replacement Parts on Lexington and about 93rd St
> - George Taylor in Tribeca (I forget the address but maybe Hudson and
> Laight)
>=20
> Also, try taking them apart and figuring out what might be=20
> worn and try to replace those piece(s) at a GOOD supply house
>=20
>=20
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> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: worn out faucets
>=20
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> I have a pair of beautiful faucet sets, one ancient brass,=20
> one nickeled steel (both c. 1905-1915) that my Vineyard=20
> plumber says are "ground out".
>=20
> But plumbers on the Vineyard are not preservation minded, and=20
> I have taken them with me to New York (I'll toss the cheapo=20
> replacements if I can fix
> these). Where would I go for a second opinion? Christopher Gray
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In a message dated Thu, 29 Aug 2002 8:10:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> At IPTW 2002 in WV I was told a story about a woman that had thrown herself off the bridge where our event was held. She survived. She then threw herself off another bridge. Again,
> she survived. She then threw herself off another bridge.
Ya gotta admire her dead-ication to the cause.
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> And the driver of
> the SUV?, drunk, stolen vehicle, no insurance, what did you expect.
>
Bill,
I have the rope, you name the place and time. Are there any trees on the
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> And the driver of the SUV?, drunk, stolen vehicle, no insurance, what did
> .
What about cup holders? Did it have good cupholders? Sign me, Studebaker
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From: Met History
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:12 PM
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Subject: Re: Disaster
In a message dated 8/29/02 9:08:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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And the driver of the SUV?, drunk, stolen vehicle, no insurance, what
did you expect
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What about cup holders? Did it have good cupholders? Sign me,
Studebaker=20
=20
Dear Stud:
=20
No. That's why the driver had to put the booze into hisself.=20
=20
Sign me, Shoulda Had Air Bags On The Front Bumper
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face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Met=20
History<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:12 =
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Disaster<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =
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<BR><BR>What about cup holders? Did it have good cupholders? =
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Studebaker <BR><SPAN class=3D903091501-30082002><FONT =
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:19:32 EDT
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:11:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
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> At IPTW 2002 in WV I was told a story about a woman that had thrown herself
> off the bridge where our event was held. She survived. She then threw
> herself off another bridge. Again, she survived. She then threw herself off
> another bridge.
>
Hey, that's my story. While I was trying to pass the time and stay awake from
what seemed like a 15 hour drive to Fairmont. I started carrying on a
conversation with one of the maintenance men who works at the court house. He
stated that a local woman jumped off the bridge that IPTW was held on. This
did not do her in so, she jumped off the old steel bridge. Well, this did not
do her in either so, she jumped off the last bridge which in fact did do her
in. As the old saying goes, three strikes and you're out. Speaking of three
strikes and you're out. I hope those greedy bastards go on strike for 5
years. It's really nice to know someone was listening to my story instead of
saying, gee I wish this asshole from Savannah would shut up.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:11:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">At IPTW 2002 in WV I was told a story about a woman that had thrown herself off the bridge where our event was held. She survived. She then threw herself off another bridge. Again, she survived. She then threw herself off another bridge.<BR>
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<BR>
Hey, that's my story. While I was trying to pass the time and stay awake from what seemed like a 15 hour drive to Fairmont. I started carrying on a conversation with one of the maintenance men who works at the court house. He stated that a local woman jumped off the bridge that IPTW was held on. This did not do her in so, she jumped off the old steel bridge. Well, this did not do her in either so, she jumped off the last bridge which in fact did do her in. As the old saying goes, three strikes and you're out. Speaking of three strikes and you're out. I hope those greedy bastards go on strike for 5 years. It's really nice to know someone was listening to my story instead of saying, gee I wish this asshole from Savannah would shut up. <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:28:39 EDT
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 12:37:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> dead-ication
Smawt ass.
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Subject: Downspout thing-a-majig
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Does anyone know what those metal j-shaped things are called that are
hammered into masonry to hold down spouts in place? Secondly, any idea where
you can find them?
Steve
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:32:26 EDT
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:20:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> It's really nice to know someone was listening to my story instead of
> saying, gee I wish this asshole from Savannah would shut up.
>
Steve,
Maybe they were doing both.
Your friend,
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:20:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It's really nice to know someone was listening to my story instead of saying, gee I wish this asshole from Savannah would shut up. <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Steve,<BR>
<BR>
Maybe they were doing both.<BR>
<BR>
Your friend,<BR>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:35:19 EDT
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:33:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Maybe they were doing both.
>
>
Hey, everyone I asked said they like me. Do you think they were just saying
that?
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:33:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Maybe they were doing both.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:40:01 EDT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:32:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Does anyone know what those metal j-shaped things are called that are
> hammered into masonry to hold down spouts in place? Secondly, any idea
> where you can find them?
>
>
Steve,
I would guess it's called a leader anchor, or leader strap, or some such.
They should be available from roofing supply dealers. That's assuming you
want new ones, rather than planning on stealing them from your neighbors.
Traditional Building oughtta have that sort of stuff on their website
somewhere, and I'm sure Roofing Shit has been one of their feature stories
from time to time. If you can't get to them, you oughtta be able to find ads
for Roofing Shit somewhere among the billions of ads for all manner of
useless high-end shit in any recent issue of Old-House Journal.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:32:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Does anyone know what those metal j-shaped things are called that are hammered into masonry to hold down spouts in place? Secondly, any idea where you can find them?<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
Steve,<BR>
<BR>
I would guess it's called a leader anchor, or leader strap, or some such. They should be available from roofing supply dealers. That's assuming you want new ones, rather than planning on stealing them from your neighbors. <BR>
<BR>
Traditional Building oughtta have that sort of stuff on their website somewhere, and I'm sure Roofing Shit has been one of their feature stories from time to time. If you can't get to them, you oughtta be able to find ads for Roofing Shit somewhere among the billions of ads for all manner of useless high-end shit in any recent issue of Old-House Journal. <BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:43:15 EDT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:35:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Hey, everyone I asked said they like me. Do you think they were just saying
> that?
>
Evidently they did say that. How the hell should I know whether they just
said that, or said anything else? Maybe you started nattering again, and
they couldn't get a word in edgewise.
But take it from me, it's very possible that people who you think are your
friends can think you're an asshole. Especially in your case.
Your friend (I just wrote that),
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:35:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hey, everyone I asked said they like me. Do you think they were just saying that?<BR>
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Evidently they did say that. How the hell should I know whether they just said that, or said anything else? Maybe you started nattering again, and they couldn't get a word in edgewise.<BR>
<BR>
But take it from me, it's very possible that people who you think are your friends can think you're an asshole. Especially in your case.<BR>
<BR>
Your friend (I just wrote that),<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:51:13 -0400
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on 8/29/02 9:07 PM, [log in to unmask] at [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:00:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
And the driver of
the SUV?, drunk, stolen vehicle, no insurance, what did you expect.
Bill,
I have the rope, you name the place and time. Are there any trees on the
grounds?
Steve
I wish it was that simple but there would just be another to take that
persons place. We just finished working on another property in Hartford
owned by the same organization. We lost $1,200. worth of tools in broad
daylight. All big cities have their problems.
Bill
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on 8/29/02 9:07 PM, [log in to unmask] at [log in to unmask] wrote:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Goudy Old Style">In a message dated =
8/29/2002 9:00:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] wri=
tes:<BR>
<BR>
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</FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">And the driver =
of<BR>
the SUV?, drunk, stolen vehicle, no insurance, what did you expect.<BR>
</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Goudy Old Style"><BR>
Bill,<BR>
<BR>
I have the rope, you name the place and time. Are there any trees on the gr=
ounds?<BR>
<BR>
Steve <BR>
</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
I wish it was that simple but there would just be another to take that pers=
ons place. We just finished working on another property in Hartford ow=
ned by the same organization. We lost $1,200. worth of tools in broad =
daylight. All big cities have their problems.<BR>
<BR>
Bill
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:51:54 -0400
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on 8/29/02 9:11 PM, Met History at [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 8/29/02 9:08:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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And the driver of the SUV?, drunk, stolen vehicle, no insurance, what did
you expect
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What about cup holders? Did it have good cupholders? Sign me, Studebaker
To bad the air bag worked.
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:55:46 -0400
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Just in the last couple of days, I have created a new version of my web
site, The Political Graveyard, http://PoliticalGraveyard.com
When I created the site, more than six years ago, I envisioned an audience
maybe in the dozens: a few political junkies perhaps. Maybe someone
writing up a tour for a historic cemetery, who might not otherwise know
that an obscure grave in the back corner is of a U.S. Senator. So I was
more than a bit surprised at the crowds of people who eventually showed up
on my electronic doorstep: one to two million page views per month.
Anyway, partly motivated by all the flattering attention for my little
project, I have steadily built and expanded it. The new version, opened
this week, lists over 107,000 politicians (compared with about 81,000 in
the last one), and introduces a number of new features:
* Politicians Portrayed on Money -- U.S. or Confederate coins or
currency. It is ironic that Andrew Jackson, lifelong foe of paper
money, has his visage printed on so much of it these days -- but that
practice started less than 20 years after his death. Jackson is one
of only two political figures (George Washington is the other) whose
portraits have appeared both on U.S. and Confederate bills.
http://politicalgraveyard.com/special/coins-currency.html
* Politicians Who Were (or took part in a) First. Many of these are
politico-demographic milestones (the first woman, the first Catholic,
the first Republican, the first black, the first Chinese-American,
etc.). Quite a few of the rest are accomplishments of politicians in
other fields: the builder of the first flax mill in America, author of
the first book about American law, captain of the first U.S. war
vessel to carry the Stars and Stripes into battle, and so on.
http://politicalgraveyard.com/special/first.html
* Gay or Lesbian Politicians, with 31 listed: Barney Frank and Tammy
Baldwin and Jim Kolbe and Gerry Studds and more than two dozen others.
http://politicalgraveyard.com/group/gay-lesbian.html
* There are a bunch of additional organizations for which I have
(incomplete) lists of politician members, including the American
Dental Association and the once-mighty Anti-Saloon League. But the
Freemasons continue to lead the list, with 2,294 politician members.
http://politicalgraveyard.com/group/am-dental-assoc.html
http://politicalgraveyard.com/group/anti-saloon-league.html
http://politicalgraveyard.com/group/masons.html
* The Politicians Named for Other Politicians page is back. George
Washington has the most pols named for him (84), followed distantly by
Benjamin Franklin (46), Thomas Jefferson (35), Andrew Jackson (28),
Henry Clay (20), and 53 others, including such unlikely heroes as
Roscoe Conkling, Franklin Pierce, Chester A. Arthur, and Millard
Fillmore.
http://politicalgraveyard.com/special/pols-named-for-pols-index.html
* The Political Families list has been expanded. The threshold for
including a family has been reduced from four politician members to
three, and each family now gets a separate page with full information
about all members. Of particular interest are the Adams, Roosevelt,
Taft, and Kennedy families, but there are more than four hundred
others both famous and obscure.
http://politicalgraveyard.com/families/index.html
http://politicalgraveyard.com/families/1001.html (Adams)
http://politicalgraveyard.com/families/1196.html (Roosevelt)
http://politicalgraveyard.com/families/1335.html (Taft)
http://politicalgraveyard.com/families/1427.html (Kennedy)
* I already had a page for each of the more than 3,000 counties in the
U.S., listing politicians who were born, lived, died, or buried in
that area. For example, here's the page on Schenectady County, N.Y.
http://politicalgraveyard.com/geo/NY/SC.html
The heads of those pages now have more links relevant to that
particular county, including the county's official web site if
available. And now for the first time I'm treating Alaska's boroughs
and census areas as counties, giving each its own page, even though
some are conspicuously lacking in politician data.
* Entries for some politicians now feature links to biographies and
histories about them at Amazon.com. Naturally, any actual book sales
that result will generate a small kickback to me. Not enough,
unfortunately, to let me quit my day job and work on the web site full
time.
The popup ads, which were NOT my idea, are supposed to go away by
tomorrow. If they didn't annoy me so much, I'd be temped to say: hey,
even the hoary, dignified New York Times web site has popup ads now. They
do generate about an extra $10/day. But I can't stand them.
I hope people have as much fun browsing The Political Graveyard as I have
putting it together!
Larry
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> Does anyone know what those metal j-shaped things are called that are
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on 8/29/02 9:32 PM, [log in to unmask] at [log in to unmask] wrote:
Does anyone know what those metal j-shaped things are called that are
hammered into masonry to hold down spouts in place? Secondly, any idea where
you can find them?
Steve
Known as pintles, leader pintles. Available from a gutter supply or an
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on 8/29/02 9:32 PM, [log in to unmask] at [log in to unmask] wrote:<BR>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:39:50 -0700
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From: Ruth Barton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Finally got most of the wax off the screens on the porch...
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Ken, It's not abandoned but wanna come wander in our old farmhouse? I
need lots of advice and help. Ruth, yes we're finally moved
At 4:28 PM -0400 8/23/02, Ken Follett wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/2002 3:11:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Ken, are you saying you'd try leaving it "natural"?
Yes. My preference. This has nothing to do with what you may want to do
with your porch slab. If there is no coating it means less maintenance, at
least less coating maintenance, that is, if the concrete is in good
condition to begin with. Lousy concrete is lousy concrete even when it is
covered up. The condition of the concrete, and how one feels about it, that
is the deciding factor. As with any naked masonry you do have to worry, I
suppose, about dropping liquids on it and staining, but that in itself can
be seen as the patina of life. You can also apply a sealer that will soak
in to the concrete to limit staining. I suppose it also has to do with
one's aesthetic... I like seeing signs that people have been using a space,
particularly with a non-urban space, rather than always seeing everything
clean and perfect. Door saddles with a belly in them I find inspiring, they
make me want to follow and step through the door. I would also be inclined
to do a sloppy job of paint removal, if I was removing the paint for myself
and not for a client like some fussy people are with their brick chimneys.
I should also admit, probably to kill the subject, that I like mirrors that
have been left outdoors and the silver backing flaked off, the paint on the
frames mostly gone and the wood gray and weathered. Imperfect reflections.
Goes to wandering around in abandoned farmhouses.
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:08:45 EDT
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:40:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Old-House Journal.
So, I take it Old House Journal is nothing bit a bunch of...you know what.
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:10:49 EDT
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:44:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> But take it from me, it's very possible that people who you think are your
> friends can think you're an asshole. Especially in your case.
>
>
I'm LOVED! It's nice to be LOVED.
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:38:53 EDT
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Finally got most of the wax off the screens on the porch...
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In a message dated 8/30/2002 4:48:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Ken, It's not abandoned but wanna come wander in our old farmhouse? I
> need lots of advice and help. Ruth, yes we're finally moved
Ruth,
I'm kind of maybe thinking about going north in the fall for R & R. Yes... if
so, Kathy & I'd LOVE to wander by & visit. I'll let you know how the plans
shape up. Vacation times seems the last thing I get to think about.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/30/2002 4:48:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ken, It's not abandoned but wanna come wander in our old farmhouse? I<BR>
need lots of advice and help. Ruth, yes we're finally moved</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Ruth,<BR>
<BR>
I'm kind of maybe thinking about going north in the fall for R & R. Yes... if so, Kathy & I'd LOVE to wander by & visit. I'll let you know how the plans shape up. Vacation times seems the last thing I get to think about.<BR>
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on 8/29/02 9:32 PM, [log in to unmask] at [log in to unmask] wrote:
Does anyone know what those metal j-shaped things are called that are
hammered into masonry to hold down spouts in place? Secondly, any idea
where you can find them?
Steve=20
Known as pintles, leader pintles. Available from a gutter supply or an
established roofing contractor. =20
Dang! Pintles is what ran through my head last night, but then I
thought, naw, them things is for mountain climbers....
=20
Then again, there are some days in preservation that I think I'm
climbing mountains, so maybe I wasn't so far off.
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I think this is gonna be one of those days. And it's my birthday to
boot.
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> And it's my birthday to boot.
Fergit the pintles & go for the pints!
Happy B-day Becker!
What in COD are you doing farting around on BP?
Go for a bike ride maybe... or running down a crickbed.
As to technical... I thought the eyes & (pintle) hooks used to hold steel
"fire" shutters on a building were the pintles?
Shaman
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Fergit the pintles & go for the pints!<BR>
Happy B-day Becker!<BR>
What in COD are you doing farting around on BP?<BR>
Go for a bike ride maybe... or running down a crickbed.<BR>
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Fergit the pintles & go for the pints!
Happy B-day Becker!
What in COD are you doing farting around on BP?
Go for a bike ride maybe... or running down a crickbed.
=20
Good advice, but it's also the day all the end of the year reports are
due...remember, I work in government, and my job is to produce paper.
=20
Can't go for a bike ride...the drought is trying to end in a serious way
down here; there ain't no more crickbeds to run in, but you can drown in
one real easily right now...makes me think about your bridge friend.
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But perhaps tonight I'll drown myself with pints. Yeah, that's a good
idea.
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is trying=20
to end in a serious way down here; there ain't no more crickbeds to run =
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Subject: Re: Downspout thing-a-majig
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In a message dated 8/30/2002 8:10:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> So, I take it Old House Journal is nothing bit a bunch of...you know what.
>
Yup, it's been remuddled.
There's a most enlightening article on hardware in the new issue: turns out
that until about 1870, there was no decorative architectural hardware to
speak of. Apparently people musta used vines to tie doors shut, or held 'em
open with rocks, until then. There's also a nice ad for Mitsubishi ductless
air conditioners that shows a c. 1895 house (described as "early Victorian")
with air conditioners (described as "from the Dark Ages") in every window.
To be fair, I thought the plumbing article was good, but I'm glad I'm not
Chrif and don't need to try to contact the faucet repair guys anytime soon.
Then again, since he's the proverbial mild-mannered reporter for a great
metropolitan newspaper, maybe they'll give him preferential treatment.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/30/2002 8:10:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So, I take it Old House Journal is nothing bit a bunch of...you know what.<BR>
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Yup, it's been remuddled. <BR>
<BR>
There's a most enlightening article on hardware in the new issue: turns out that until about 1870, there was no decorative architectural hardware to speak of. Apparently people musta used vines to tie doors shut, or held 'em open with rocks, until then. There's also a nice ad for Mitsubishi ductless air conditioners that shows a c. 1895 house (described as "early Victorian") with air conditioners (described as "from the Dark Ages") in every window. <BR>
<BR>
To be fair, I thought the plumbing article was good, but I'm glad I'm not Chrif and don't need to try to contact the faucet repair guys anytime soon. Then again, since he's the proverbial mild-mannered reporter for a great metropolitan newspaper, maybe they'll give him preferential treatment.<BR>
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Subject: Re: Roofing question
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> I'm LOVED! It's nice to be LOVED.
>
> Steve
Yes, you and Sally Field.
Sign Me,
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:21:04 EDT
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> As to technical... I thought the eyes & (pintle) hooks used to hold steel
> "fire" shutters on a building were the pintles?
>
Pintles and gudgeons are also used to hold removable rudders on boats.
Sign me,
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">As to technical... I thought the eyes & (pintle) hooks used to hold steel "fire" shutters on a building were the pintles?<BR>
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I found the "well hole" thread interesting. I agree with the urban
interpretation of light wells and stair wells being the intended
meaning, but our house could be advertised as having an old, covered
"well hole" inside, i.e. water well. Apparently the original house
(1843) had its well only 10 feet behind, which when the rear addition
was constructed (1850), the well was covered and brought inside. Fifty
years later, the next owner built another house next door because he
didn't like the well being inside, thinking it unhealthy, and rented the
house to a women's fraternity. The Alpha Phis supposedly filled in the
well and covered the top, and it has sat this way ever since. So, it's
been one hundred years with the "well hole" covered, which was disclosed
in our purchase of the property. No was too concerned, but there is
structural settlement in this corner of the building. It might be the
old well leaking, or it might be the outside downspouts, also leaking.
Soon we'll investigate...
On another note, is anyone going to be in Toronto for APT? We could
have a BP breakfast, or raise the arm in the BP salute...
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:30:54 EDT
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:49:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> All big cities have their problems.
>
Yes, they do. Even smaller cities such as the one I live in. Sooner or later
though something has to happen. This idiot stole an SUV and then decided to
get drunk in the process. Where did he get the alcohol? Did he steal it also?
It doesn't matter. People need to leave other people and their possessions
alone. Now what will happen with this piece of shit is, he will plea bargain
with this sorry ass judicial system and maybe serve a couple of years. In the
process he has destroyed someone's vehicle, and heavily damaged someone's
house. Thank goodness he did not hit someone in the process because they
would in turn be responsible for their medical treatment if they survived.
You cannot sue the bastard. Of course if the police were to have shoot him
before crashing the SUV the tax payers and victims would have to pick that
bill up. So, what can we do as a society to make this piece of shit pay for
his crimes? Oh yeah, we can put him in jail and rehabilitate him, feed him
three times a day, give him a nice air-conditioned cell to live in, a nice
color TV to watch with his fellow partners in crime, a nice library to read
books in, and last but not least, a nice gymnasium to play basketball in.
Unfortunately many people in this country have adopted Bill's same attitude
towards this problem because we have been inundated with crime and in this
wonderful country you're rarely held accountable for your actions. I'm sure
his court appointed lawyer will bring up the fact that he was beaten up in
grade school, his mother spanked him when he was 5 years old, and his father
yelled at him one time. So, this is justification for what he is now doing.
Give me a break. Of course you lost $1200 worth of tools in broad day light.
The criminal has no one to fear. The police are never anywhere to be found.
Most large cities it is illegal for law abiding citizens to own a gun. Only
the criminals posses guns. Heaven forbid if you caught this person(s) in the
act. You better not touch them. Don't even look at them the wrong way because
they have rights. I just heard on Georgia Public Radio that an inmate in a
southeast Georgia county is now getting ready to sue the county because the
jail has become overcrowded. How is that? Whoever he victimized cannot sue
him they just have to help foot the bill to keep this piece of shit locked
up. Whatever happened to, when you violate someone's rights you loose yours?
Now they have more rights then we do. There is something wrong with that.
What will become of this scum who are now preying on little girls? Another
plea bargain? Fortunately that one near Los Angeles we will not have to worry
about him plea bargaining. I guarantee if you castrate them then pour alcohol
on that area they will think twice before preying on another little girl
again. Oh that's right we cannot do that. He has rights but the little girl
has none. She should not have been outside playing. Well, all I can say is
the person who tries to take my vehicle while I'm in it will find his skull
parted with my Smith & Wesson .40 caliber pistol and trust me I would loose
not one-second of sleep there after. Maybe one day we will get fed up with
our wives, daughters, or mothers being raped, our husbands, sons, and fathers
being murdered, our houses being robbed, vehicles being stolen, and friends
shoot in cold blood after they handed their money over. Maybe then we will
begin to hold these people accountable for their actions. MAYBE.
Steve
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Yes, they do. Even smaller cities such as the one I live in. Sooner or later though something has to happen. This idiot stole an SUV and then decided to get drunk in the process. Where did he get the alcohol? Did he steal it also? It doesn't matter. People need to leave other people and their possessions alone. Now what will happen with this piece of shit is, he will plea bargain with this sorry ass judicial system and maybe serve a couple of years. In the process he has destroyed someone's vehicle, and heavily damaged someone's house. Thank goodness he did not hit someone in the process because they would in turn be responsible for their medical treatment if they survived. You cannot sue the bastard. Of course if the police were to have shoot him before crashing the SUV the tax payers and victims would have to pick that bill up. So, what can we do as a society to make this piece of shit pay for his crimes? Oh yeah, we can put him in jail and rehabilitate him, feed him three times a day, give him a nice air-conditioned cell to live in, a nice color TV to watch with his fellow partners in crime, a nice library to read books in, and last but not least, a nice gymnasium to play basketball in. Unfortunately many people in this country have adopted Bill's same attitude towards this problem because we have been inundated with crime and in this wonderful country you're rarely held accountable for your actions. I'm sure his court appointed lawyer will bring up the fact that he was beaten up in grade school, his mother spanked him when he was 5 years old, and his father yelled at him one time. So, this is justification for what he is now doing. Give me a break. Of course you lost $1200 worth of tools in broad day light. The criminal has no one to fear. The police are never anywhere to be found. Most large cities it is illegal for law abiding citizens to own a gun. Only the criminals posses guns. Heaven forbid if you caught this person(s) in the act. You better not touch them. Don't even look at them the wrong way because they have rights. I just heard on Georgia Public Radio that an inmate in a southeast Georgia county is now getting ready to sue the county because the jail has become overcrowded. How is that? Whoever he victimized cannot sue him they just have to help foot the bill to keep this piece of shit locked up. Whatever happened to, when you violate someone's rights you loose yours? Now they have more rights then we do. There is something wrong with that. What will become of this scum who are now preying on little girls? Another plea bargain? Fortunately that one near Los Angeles we will not have to worry about him plea bargaining. I guarantee if you castrate them then pour alcohol on that area they will think twice before preying on another little girl again. Oh that's right we cannot do that. He has rights but the little girl has none. She should not have been outside playing. Well, all I can say is the person who tries to take my vehicle while I'm in it will find his skull parted with my Smith & Wesson .40 caliber pistol and trust me I would loose not one-second of sleep there after. Maybe one day we will get fed up with our wives, daughters, or mothers being raped, our husbands, sons, and fathers being murdered, our houses being robbed, vehicles being stolen, and friends shoot in cold blood after they handed their money over. Maybe then we will begin to hold these people accountable for their actions. MAYBE.<BR>
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"Here I am 34 years old, and yet my life is almost wholly unexpanded ....
There is such an interval between my ideal and the actual in many instances
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10-Q. In my case, though, the gap is so wide, one may say that I am
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> Known as pintles, leader pintles. Available from a gutter supply or an
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> So, I take it Old House Journal is nothing bit a bunch of...you know what.
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> Pintles and gudgeons are also used to hold removable rudders on boats.
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I told my client yesterday just give me 12 hours and my Pinhead friends will
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I told my client yesterday just give me 12 hours and my Pinhead friends will come through for me. And then some.<BR>
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> On another note, is anyone going to be in Toronto for APT? We could
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Please take pictures. Thank you.
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> I told my client yesterday just give me 12 hours and my Pinhead friends will
> come through for me. And then some.
>
So where's our cut? You don't think we Yankees put up with all this shit for
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I told my client yesterday just give me 12 hours and my Pinhead friends will come through for me. And then some.<BR>
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> So where's our cut? You don't think we Yankees put up with all this shit
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The check is in the mail. Look for it tomorrow.
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Hey, I resemble that remark. Although a little longer in the tooth and
living in a larger abode with little poetic solicitude.
Have a great Labor Day everyone.
Best,
Leland
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<DIV><SPAN class=509123111-31082002><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Hey, I resemble
that remark. Although a little longer in the tooth and living in a larger
abode with little poetic solicitude.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=509123111-31082002><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Have a great
Labor Day everyone.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=509123111-31082002><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>Best,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=509123111-31082002><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>Leland</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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on 8/30/02 10:59 AM, [log in to unmask] at [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 8/30/2002 6:58:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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Known as pintles, leader pintles. Available from a gutter supply or an
established roofing contractor.
Thanks Bill.
You also need to know that they come in different configurations depending
on the shape and size of the leader. They also are made of a metal
compatible to the leaders, aluminum, copper, lead coated copper and
galvanized.
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on 8/30/02 10:59 AM, [log in to unmask] at [log in to unmask] wrote:<BR=
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Goudy Old Style">In a message dated =
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tes:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR>
</FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Known as pintle=
s, leader pintles. Available from a gutter supply or an established ro=
ofing contractor. <BR>
</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Goudy Old Style"><BR>
Thanks Bill.</FONT></FONT> <BR>
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on the shape and size of the leader. They also are made of a metal com=
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In a message dated Sat, 31 Aug 2002 6:14:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> The check is in the mail. Look for it tomorrow.
Steve,
You sent is special delivery so it would get here on the Sunday of Labor Day weekend? How considerate. I'll take it to the bank first thing Monday morning, but maybe in honor of the event, they'll open Sunday.
Maybe now the rest of our Pinheaded friends will be equally conscientious about paying their dues.
Thanks again. Ya hump.
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> You also need to know that they come in different configurations depending
> on the shape and size of the leader. They also are made of a metal
> compatible to the leaders, aluminum, copper, lead coated copper and
> galvanized.
The down spouts are copper with white paint covering them and the pintles are
galvanized with paint all over them also. Should the pintles be copper also
or will this be too soft not allowing you to hammer them into the masonry?
I'm hoping to convenience the homeowner to remove the paint from the down
spouts. Any suggestions on what to use to remove the paint?
Steve
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The down spouts are copper with white paint covering them and the pintles are galvanized with paint all over them also. Should the pintles be copper also or will this be too soft not allowing you to hammer them into the masonry? I'm hoping to convenience the homeowner to remove the paint from the down spouts. Any suggestions on what to use to remove the paint?<BR>
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In a message dated Sat, 31 Aug 2002 6:35:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> "Here I am 34 years old, and yet my life is almost wholly unexpanded .... There is such an interval between my ideal and
> the actual in many instances that I may say I am unborn."
If he's unborn, how can he say anything?
Former 34 year old Wants to Know
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> I'm hoping to convenience the homeowner to remove the paint from the down
> spouts
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This e mail was misplaced because I attempted to include an early photograph
of St. Mary's in a pin heads e mail. Bad Bad! So here is the text. If you
want to see St. Mary's respond and I will e mail it directly to you. The
street scene was a bit large to scan so you will have to find that issue of
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In a message dated 8/31/2002 9:27:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> The down spouts are copper with white paint covering them and the pintles
> are galvanized Get rid of the galvanized; it will react with the copper
> with paint all over them also. Should the pintles be copper also Use brass.
> or will this be too soft not allowing you to hammer them into the masonry?
> I'm hoping to convenience try convincing instead; there isn't much
> convenient about stripping paint the homeowner to remove the paint from the
> down spouts. Any suggestions on what to use to remove the paint? Don't
> think it matters, but I'd stay away from the lye-based stuff just in case
> it eats the copper. The copper should strip pretty easily, but it may well
> be cheaper to just throw the leaders away than to fool around with
> stripping the damn things, especially by the time you take them down,
> handle them, strip them (probably repeatedly to get all the damn paint off)
> and reinstall; I don't think you want to strip them in place. Are you
> really sure they should be bare patinated copper rather than (presumably)
> painted out to match the house? BTW, the patination is a VERY slow
> process-- the new copper I installed 15 years or so back is finally
> greenish in most areas. God knows how long it would take in your pure
> Southern air, although on the other hand Savannah isn't too far from the
> sea.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/31/2002 9:27:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The down spouts are copper with white paint covering them and the pintles are galvanized <B>Get rid of the galvanized; it will react with the copper </B>with paint all over them also. Should the pintles be copper also <B>Use brass. </B>or will this be too soft not allowing you to hammer them into the masonry? I'm hoping to convenience <B>try convincing instead; there isn't much convenient about stripping paint </B>the homeowner to remove the paint from the down spouts. Any suggestions on what to use to remove the paint? <B>Don't think it matters, but I'd stay away from the lye-based stuff just in case it eats the copper. The copper should strip pretty easily, but it may well be cheaper to just throw the leaders away than to fool around with stripping the damn things, especially by the time you take them down, handle them, strip them (probably repeatedly to get all the damn paint off) and reinstall; I don't think you want to strip them in place. Are you really sure they should be bare patinated copper rather than (presumably) painted out to match the house? BTW, the patination is a VERY slow process-- the new copper I installed 15 years or so back is finally greenish in most areas. God knows how long it would take in your pure Southern air, although on the other hand Savannah isn't too far from the sea.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE></B><BR>
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