Once you install realplayer on your system (which includes the .ram codec) you should be able to use whichever player you've had the most success with to play the files. Nick Bourgeois I have got a gift from someone, it is a set of video in realplayer format (publisher has a strange taste). I have had really bad experience with both Apple Quicktime and Realplayer, that I told myself I will never touch any media player that hi-jack system. So I will not install any Apple or Real player, however, I really like the video set, it is a great comdy that I really love. So, is there any other software can play back realplayer format? eg. I can get Irfanview plug-in to play Apple Quicktime (work most of time), is there anything similar for realplayer? Jun Qian PCSOFT's List Owner's: Bob Wright<[log in to unmask]> Drew Dunn<[log in to unmask]> "Hold No Punches.." Rode brings you great shareware/freeware programs with his honest opinions in this weekly column. http://freepctech.com/rode