In a message dated 6/1/2002 9:50:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: > but was the secretary story Charlie telling about the secretaries rumor or > straight goods? Michael, Public knowledge at the time in the hinterlands of NY State was that Nelson went out in the saddle. I never particularly liked him. A 15 yr old I knew, a younger son of Alison Lurie/Bishop, was facing life for selling three tabs of acid to a narc -- the Nelson legacy. I have never found out how that turned out. The architectural monstrosity of Empire Plaza in Albany puts me off something terrible. It always reminds me of Mussolini. I understand Purchase College, which was designed to allow tanks to roll through uninhibited lest there be a campus riot, was built of brick because Nelson owned the brickyards. The sculpture placement at the gardens at Kykiut I admire. My grandfather worked for Standard Oil for many years. His father worked the railroad that thrived on Western NY oil. I don't think any of them early Rockefellers killed my people, but they sure had an effect on their lives. On occasion we work for some of the younger generation, they are decent people and pay their bills. ][<en