Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Jose and all, You are quite correct, having all these talking devices is not fair to deaf blind folks. However the solution is not really yet practical. Braille devices are still very expensive, it would literally add probably over a thousand dollars to the cost of an ATM to add braille, probably more. Also, current braille technology would not survive in the difficult ATM environment. The next best solution is possible but requires the industry to continue to develope standards for an infrared interface. the idea is that such devices as ATMs would be able to work through a remote infrared device. The technology is not difficult and exists now. The problem is the software standard for such a setup. I know that for a time some folks at NFB were working on such an idea, but it gets bogged down in squabling between all the different people who will have to agree on software standards for such a setup. I think it will happen some day, but to make such a setup secure, will not be simple. In a nut shell, you would have a thing like a braille lite or similar portable braille device. It would have an infrared port on it. There would be an infrared port on ATMs ticket machines and the like. There would be very fancy highly secure software standards which would allow you to run an ATM through this infrared connection. I think this is the best hope to solve this problem. It will not come soon just think how long it took to get talking ATMs. It is not a matter of developing new technology, it is a matter of the people who have to agree on the standards seing the need and making it happen. Of interest is that the viking Electronics D2000S talking door entry system developed with help from Smith-Kettlewell RERC by Viking Electronics has an infrared port available in hardware. As soon as an infrared standard comes along, they'll be the first off the block to make it fly. tom Fowle Smith-Kettlewell RERC Net-Tamer V 1.12.0 - Registered VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List. To join or leave the list, send a message to [log in to unmask] In the body of the message, simply type "subscribe vicug-l" or "unsubscribe vicug-l" without the quotations. VICUG-L is archived on the World Wide Web at http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/vicug-l.html