kyle what you are describing is not limited to the disability community. it has gone on in the ab community quite a bit. -----Original Message----- From: Cleveland, Kyle E. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:27 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: kyle's varied past Well, I was sort of speaking in the sense of more intimate relationships. In my case, for example, my ex and current wives. I was driven internally to demonstrate that I could do all of these cool things, yet I feel my most intimate relationships were harmed by this single-mindedness. I've always been mannerly and courteous, but what I'm talking about is an ongoing desire to put another's needs CONSISTENTLY ahead of my own. Only after I realized that did I have success in those closest relationships. Those days when I was out in the studio, tweaking and tweaking a mix because I wanted it to be perfect, I could have been in the house playing with my daughter or interacting with my ex. -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Salkin [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:16 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: kyle's varied past D'you mean, was I a spoilt brat or a bitch? Well, I dunno... I'd like to think not. I've never been one to go for the limelight, and frankly, I've never thought it was my God-given right to ride over other people just because I'm disabled. My parents taught me everyone needs consideration, able-bodied, or disabled, and that included good manners and consideration for other's feelings. My mother's mother ("Nana") lived with us, and she was also disabled, so I wasn't treated as if I were the prima donna of the family. Now, I do admit to being arrogant sometimes when expressing my opinion but I think that's being outspoken, not a spoilt brat or whatever you want to call it. Kat "St. John's University Cerebral Palsy List" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I can't imagine this, Kat, but did you "step" on people to excel? Did you consider it your "right" because you were disabled? -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Salkin [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:51 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: kyle's varied past Oh, yes, my parents pushed me harder to socialise and do things than they did my sisters (although if you were to ask them, they'd say I was let off easy). My teachers were rather easy-going about pushing us to excel until the 5th grade, when my teacher then woke up to the fact that a few of us brighter disabled students were going to be mainstreamed and we were woefully unprepared for it. So thus began a two-year effort to bring us up to speed, which I hated at the time, being rather lazy about studying, but later, I was quite grateful. Kat