<<Disclaimer: Verify this information before applying it to your situation.>> Well, its Pilgrim South again! My daughters awaits her Zo bread machine and I have fiddled with the one that was given to me that is NOT programmable. I can get a fairly nice loaf but it knocks it down 3 times before baking it and I know my oven bread is so light and airy. I am very tempted to just bake in the oven but for the time it takes. I am watching e-bay since I don't have much to spend on a machine. We ordered a mill so there went grandpa's gift money!! You were all so kind to give us suggestions for the Zo for our daughter and I thank you so very much. Here is my question now.... If I find a used machine does anyone have any model numbers of what will let me use just 1 rise without having to baby sit the machine? I mean that will allow me to just put my delicious mix in and walk away! Yes, I was the one that put together the summary and had all the information but it was all on NEW machines!! Since I can't afford a new one I wondered if anyone knew of any not so new model numbers or are we back to the Zo (I am thinking this is where we really are at) that my daughter purchased (that I can not possibly afford)? Well, like I said I am watching e-bay....with a little trepidation...has anyone ever actually bought anything from there? Anyone know of anyone with a bread machine (1 rise please) for sale, used that is? Thanks for the help!! Pilgrim South Visit our families web site at: http://members.aol.com/SowersSeed