>My dearest friend, Judy Genova (cavegirl), and frequent contributor to this >list ..her husband, Phil, .. never wake up. Dear Judy, I know you are now experiencing hard times and I hope and whish you the strength you need to master the change in your life. My own mother has died only 3 months ago so I can feel with you very well. Strange enough, annother message of sudden death appeared recently at zonetalk ( http://www.zonehome.com/zt67/index.htm ). JohnW the frequent contributor and heart of this forum suddenly has passed away. Somehow we can have feelings of friendship and sympathy with people we have never seen, just exchanged messages over the internet. The spirit of a person is what is able to come over these channels and there is a lot what remains after death as well. Amadeus S.