Yep, Bobby, but then you never met my cat, Magic! Oh man, is she ever hardheaded. Absolutely bent on having it her way, every hour of every day! not for lack of discipline, she was like this when I got her at 5 or 6 weeks. my helper & i, one day spent the entire day trying to break her of the habit of walking the kitchen counters, every ten minutes she would hop up there again.... at the end of the day jenifer and I were exhausted...