Mr Saine, Thank you for the reply and let me tell you one thing here ie:clarity in my writings and thinking made you get the clear picture,thus you gave a clear reply. Clarity in this debate is relative so yours may not be mine.I wasn't muddying the waters but traversing a stream full of threatening fangs! As far as your ultimate position is; not to say anything more on this topic. Then i don't think its different from your original style. The other part of the piece you sent to me via gambial shows that you will engage me if i am clear "writing-wise" and "thinking-wise" well! well! look at your sentence and see why i always call you DOCTOR or PROFESSOR ! The factor lies within the way your posting is presented to me.Unless i do this or do that!you won't engage me,then thats no debate its a directive! NB:But i the one who isn't clear here was identified by late Dr.Dixon Colley within the midst of other students. Hope you know what i mean? So good bye until when i am "qualified" for you to engage me,because your criteria doesn't suit yero. "YEROMAMA PULORI GALO HAAWA BAROGEL N'DIMOU" "Speak the speeches and let the speeches not spit you." >From: YERO MAMA <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: PLEASE DO NOT MOVE ON/OUR CUNNING DOCTORS! >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 06:48:07 +0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [61.216.74.197] >Received: from [149.68.45.24] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD9D0C3E00A04004379695442D180F214; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:50:07 -0700 >Received: from maelstrom.stjohns.edu (149.68.45.24) by >maelstrom.stjohns.edu (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id ><[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 2:48:37 -0500 >Received: from MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU by MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU >(LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 296072 for >[log in to unmask]; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:48:26 -0500 >Received: from hotmail.com (64.4.19.31) by maelstrom.stjohns.edu (LSMTP for > OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <[log in to unmask]>; >Mon, 22 Oct 2001 2:48:15 -0500 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; >Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:48:07 -0700 >Received: from 61.216.74.197 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; >Mon, 22 Oct 2001 06:48:07 GMT >From [log in to unmask] Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:50:43 -0700 >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2001 06:48:07.0602 (UTC) > FILETIME=[81CFC920:01C15AC5] >Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> >Sender: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> > >Mr.You wrote "democracy in the gambia is a work in progress" I would >reciprocate that latest lesson from you Mr.learned GUY by telling you that; >So is "democracy in the world a work in progress".The democratic flaws and >shortcomings within our geopolitical arena, are inter-continental!They are >not Gambian! >So any serious accademician,politician,OR ADVOCATOR!will have to JOIN THOSE >WANT TO readjust the international trend and stop the "jabbering" TOWARDS >AFRICAN LEADERS ALONE! >We heard and do hear other valuable assets like James Jonnah et al and >these DOCTORS! are yearning for an international approach.Unlike some of >you >who languish behind such "canalised" regionalistic and "vous" syndromes. >Its been widely noticed that the so-CALLED DOCTORS AND PROFESSORS ON THE L >pick and choose who to talk to! Is that what we expect from people who want >to safe us? > >Unfortunately and to my surprise! Still some on this very forum who see >themselves as super democrats have "cunningly" taken a u-TURN to say that >the OLIVE BRANCH FROM JAMMEH ISN'T ENOUGH BECAUSE OF THIS AND THAT! >Now what makes me wonder is,are any amongst those who say these things more >reliable than jammeh? Have we ever had the opportunity to dissect the >history of these people here? I mean their official or political >participation towards the development of the Gambia that they are claiming >to own? Its obvious that if such happens to be there will be much left to >be >desired. >Lets not fool ourselves and start snobbing or refuting ideas from others >because of self-IMPOSED arrogance! >KATIM said that Jammeh is and was arrogant...This leaves me perplexed >because arrogance is a word that suits the characters i see here more than >any other individual on earth! >I know that people like me have been classified and branded within your >circles thus messages from our likes aren't sweet,therefore not to be >replied(BEING THE USUAL TREND).This style and this approach my brothers is >more of a sign of arrogance than any reationary attitude from any APRC or >JAMMEH fan! > >Don't you think that sidelining people and snobbing those that you do not >agree with politically, itself is not compartible with serious >"intellectualism"? ALL THOSE WHO DO NOT sing THE SONG OF "WELL DONE >DOCTORS!" are considered the bins to receive harsh words from your choir of >gambial. >MY PROBLEM WITH SUCH "KABUDU-INTELLECTUALISED-CAMPS" IS SIMPLY BASED ON >PRINCIPLES PLEASE TRY AND RESPECT THE VIEWS OF OTHERS AND BROOD THROUGH >REASONS AND NOT WISHES! > >Reply or not thats my take on your latest attempts! > >"YEROMAMA PULORI GALO HAAWA BAROGEL N'DIMOU" >"Speak the speeches and let the speeches not spit you." > > > >>From: Abdoulaye Saine <[log in to unmask]> >>Reply-To: [log in to unmask] >>To: [log in to unmask] >>Subject: PLEASE DO NOT MOVE ON! >>Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:24:21 -0400 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Received: from [149.68.45.24] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >>MHotMailBD9C7AA300364004389795442D180DBF6; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:28:45 -0700 >>Received: from maelstrom.stjohns.edu (149.68.45.24) by >>maelstrom.stjohns.edu (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id >><[log in to unmask]>; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:27:22 -0500 >>Received: from MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU by MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU >>(LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 275778 for >>[log in to unmask]; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:27:10 -0500 >>Received: from miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (134.53.7.10) by >>maelstrom.stjohns.edu >> (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id >><[log in to unmask]>; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:26:59 -0500 >>Received: from muohio.edu ("port 2014"@ip134-053-047-104.s47.muohio.edu >> [134.53.47.104]) by miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (PMDF V5.2-29 #40200) with >> ESMTP id <[log in to unmask]> for >>[log in to unmask]; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:26:21 EST >>From [log in to unmask] Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:29:42 -0700 >>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) >>X-Accept-Language: en >>Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> >>Sender: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >><[log in to unmask]> >>Organization: Miami University >> >>G-L Community: >> >>While some are disappointed in the outcome of the October, 2001 >>Presidential election, we must all take pride in the fact that the >>election was "free and fair" and an improvement on the referendum over >>the Constitution and the 1996 Presidential election. More important, >>Decree 89 was lifted, perhaps a little too late, but nonetheless, >>LIFTED. Access to the media by opposition political parties though not >>equal, improved somewhat. A Governance Conference was held, even if >>some members of the opposition walked out. Most of us advocated for a >>United Opposition, three parties out of five opposition parties did. And >>many donated, however little, to the party/candidate of their choice. >>These are what many of us fought for (See the G-L Position Paper). In >>fact, careful analysis would suggest that Gambia-L played an important >>role in ensuring a more level and open political terrain and atmosphere >>. ( I will write a longer research paper on this later). AND WE HAVE A >>LOT MORE TO DO! >> >>When we started to send petitions all over, about two years ago, many >>felt that it may lead to nothing. To the contrary, the petitions we >>sent around the world(including The Gambia) and the responses we >>received made a difference. Equally important, is that the APRC and /or >>its representatives on the G-L listened and debated us. We HAVE AN >>AUDIENCE. >> >>The activities of the New York, UK based MRDG, in addition to other >>organizations in D.C, North Carolina, Scandinavia, Germany etc., and >>numerous petitions, demonstrations and writings by members of the G-L, >>helped set the agenda for change, leading to the elections we just >>witnessed. In order words, combined international, domestic and G-L >>pressure helped move the political process to where it is now. In sum, >>the political system has opened some, in part because of our activism >>and its impact on civic education. Today, Gambia's civil society is >>perhaps stronger for it. >> >>NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO MOVE ON BUT TO STAY PUT AND STRUGGLE FOR MORE! >> >>The Gambia-L, rightly or wrongly has come to constitute, despite our >>differences and occasional squabbles, a VOICE(s) that can not be IGNORED >>or SILENCED. All but two of the Presidential candidates addressed >>various Gambian communities in the US and Europe and those who could not >>sent representatives. >> >> WE MUST REMAIN ENGAGED! Many burning issues remain. These include: >> >>* Release/ Amnesty of/ for all political prisoners; >>* More Press Freedoms; >>* Voting Rights Bill for Overseas Gambians; >>* End to illegal arrests and emphasis on due process; >>* Right of Return and Protection of all exiles(self-imposed or >>otherwise); >>* Deploy students for civic and community service; >>* Return of all seized properties to their lawful owners, (if found >>innocent of wrong doing); >> (These are just a few things that came to mind.) >> >>Democracy in The Gambia is a work in progress. DO NOT MOVE ON. 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