Neville: Re: no start (no led's, etc) Someone properly suggested checking the wall plug, etc ("first see if it's plugged in"). After that, try: 1. Ckt breaker, fuse, or fusable link in power supply? 2. Bad fan in power supply or CPU (some of these act like CB's if they go bad) 3. Some components like addn'l parallel port cards cause no-start failure if they go belly up. Old techie trick: remove all cards and devices/drivers & see if your computer starts. You don't even need a floppy, CD, or hard drive - it should start up to the BIOS screen. If it doesn't start, you'll know you have a problem in electrical, power supply, mobo, or CPU, as they are all that's installed. If it starts, reinstall stuff one at a time, and see what happens. If no-start after reinstalling a component, voila! jack payton PCBUILD's List Owners: Bob Wright<[log in to unmask]> Drew Dunn<[log in to unmask]>