In the marriage vows today, that old chattel claptrap is still being used. "Who giveth this woman......."blah, blah, blah, ad nauseam. It's usually a man giving the woman to another man..... How sickening..... Oliva ----- Original Message ----- From: "ardeith l carter" <[log in to unmask]> and women > were "sold" in marriage to further their fathers' > interests....again with the support of the Church....