Charles said (and I love reading your posts BTW): >and I am starting to understand what it means with this paleo philosophy. Which makes me think of my own experience, which is the more I learn, I still always feel like I am "starting to understand". It just keeps getting bigger in it's intricately woven, vast simplicity. That's the interesting thing about truth. ("You can reach it, but you can't grab it..."- ok, so that's from a U2 song.) The closer we move to a truly natural way of living, perhaps we begin to see that there are thousands upon thousands of things that we can only begin to understand. And, of course, that we cannot know everything. (Although, of course, vegans know *everything*. Please forvige my lighthearted sarcasm.) Some time ago there was a thread here regarding "Veggie Victims". It began with my sharing an observation, and to my surprise there were several people here who had made similar observations. Now I am starting to see that agriculture is a sort of codependancy (which is directly related to victimization) and that a hunter-gatherer lifestyle is more like a peaceful marriage. From that standpoint, it is no wonder that Americans are divided between the aggressors and the professional victims- and that the veggies think that the carnivores are out to get 'em. JMT, I guess I am full of them (or "it") today! Stacie who isn't going to abandon the supermarket just yet, maybe that's the next thing I will begin to understand :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com