In a message dated 10/23/00 1:51:10 PM CST, [log in to unmask] writes: << Kale is strong enough to wrap around a chicken or fish filet, tie with string and boil or simmer in stock >> what a great idea. thanks for posting that tip. i have baby kale in my fall garden and find that it is good to eat raw in its immature state. also have flat leaf mustard, green leaf lettuce, red oak lettuce, spinach, and carrots growing. we have very mild winters here in South Texas ..this kind of stuff grows well here. mary c.