> Eating low dense, high volume, high fiber, high vitamin, high mineral -- > well I think that's real paleo. > That's real concentration camp. The figures you quote were gathered by the scientists of a famous vegetarian from slave labor camps in order to figure out how to keep such people alive and productive as cheaply as possible. These vitamin requirements assume a high load of vitamin and mineral robbing lectins present when you have a diet consisting of only grains, legumes or potatoes. Real paleo people require far less. Stefansson, in his experiments for the U.S. military, found that not only could solders survive on commercial beef ( Armour) pemmican for long periods of time without vitamin or mineral deficiencies, but that it was the best cure for scurvy ( vit. C deficiency) available at that time. His findings were later utilized by the Luftwaffe who included a supply of Pemmican in their pilots' survival kits. Speaking of meat, I just saw a program on PBS about Antarctic krill. One of several thousand species of krill, this one species combined weight produced every summer is 5 times greater than all the humans on Earth. About 20% of them are eaten by predators such as seals, whales penguins and fish. All the remainder die when the sea freezes at the beginning of the Antarctic winter. Only their eggs survive to await the summer thaw. That's a lot of sushi rotting every year! Ray Audette Author "NeanderThin" http://www.neanderthin.com