On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:05:37 +0100, Andy <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >One can not say that ID theory makes no assumptions about the >identity of the designer and is also scientific. If ID theory is scientific, >then any designer must reside within the universe. We have hit on another of the biggest popular myths about religion - undoubtedly due to the fact that colleges no longer require any philosophical or theological courses. In every religion that I have heard of, the "designer" resides within the universe. In some religions, the "designer" ALSO resides outside the universe at the same time. This is called "immanence and transcendence". In some religions, the universe ITSELF is intelligent. Therefore, "design" and change can occur the same way that we choose our clothes in the morning. (Is it "supernatural" when we choose our clothes in the morning?) One of the odd aspects of the last 50 years, is that the version of religion intended for small children and simpletons (the old man with the white beard in the sky who is going to hit you over the knuckles if you are naughty) is now the only one taught; sophisticated philosophy is no longer taught at all - which leaves the average intellectual person with materialism as their apparent only possible choice... -- Cheers, Ken [log in to unmask]