, > >Tell me more about your auto-immune process that you mentioned.... You said >that you "manifested the autoimmune process".... as if you somehow wanted it >to happen, or that your body (or mind) made it happen. Not easy to demonstrate , I am clear myself about my responsibilitee in my experience , in fact i believe that i am 100 percent responsible for what happens to me ,100 percent responsable for my reality. Now the question is who is I? the decision maker ,the mind who choose to select from the great potentials what is going to be manifested.experienced Okay now being more concrete. I can see that i was getting something out of being a victim , so when things got tough ( being abandonned by my partner ) i looked for pity , getting miserable , depressed and started to procrastinate , stuffed myself with numbing foods. But under neath that , my adrenals glands were certainly hyper secreting hormones ready for action , anger was there ready to be expressed and get me out of this painfulll situation. Because i internalised very early that getting angry ( or even crying for help ), when things were not feeling right ( like any baby know how to let you know ) , was not cool , I had no other outlet than turning the anger inward and made myself wrong . 3 years of that regimen and one numbing meal too much and i collapsed with my adrenals In some way despite the " non sens " of it, destroying my adrenals glands saved my life because i end up unconscious enough for somebody coming to rescue me and send me to the hospital. Somewhere i succeded to what i was unconsciously wishing ( in a very tortuous manner.) from the beginning getting help ). Whatb is interesting is that every decisions that i made at that time contributed to that sad result : becoming a vegetarian, deprived myself from getting an other partner, breaking my relationship with my parents , quitting my studies to be a sport teacher , quitting soccer ( as a semi professional player, so depriving myself of a powerfull outlet of excess hormones ) going to work as a special educateur with deply mentally retarded teen agers, refusing to go to the army and risking prison and on and on ... Enough to shut down the most powerfull will to live . The same powerfull enregy responsible for us to be organised can desintegrate this beautifull "oeuvre d'art" in an apparent chaos. > >That's so interesting. I have MS which is an auto-immune process and I've >often wondered if it has come about partly because of my emotional stresses >as much as from food choices. The fact that you wonder is a strong indication that our choices even the most unconscious ones are consciously chosen at one point to be then denied right away.( by our conscious sens of self) At first to realise that we are responsible for what hapens to us is, to say the least , unsettling , but that is the key to healing ( if i am powerfull to create my own reality ,i can change it . all what i say doesnt makes any sens if you limit your conception of self to your material limits your body ,your brain. you have 1rst to accept that you are bigger than that . Without that opening you ARE a victime . > >Have you overcome your immune system problems? my adrenal and thyroid glands are still considered as dead ( as long i am taking artificial hormones there is no way to know and it is 19 years now .) But i am feeling that i might have stopped the autodestructive process other glands failure are expected ). But even that as long i didn't learn the lesson completly i am on the edge i experienced relapse) The thing is that i might or not overcome the physical disease but at that point ,it doesn't matter really , the healing can occur anyway despite the scars. I didn't met one doctor interested in the question of why an owner ' immune system turns against itself. So i am on my own! ,For them, i got the pils, i am alive , the text books says that you can live a normal live ( even when the reality of addisonians are quite diferent) what more do you want? Evolutive degenerative disease? no worry we can fix you when other parts will break down : osteoporosis? take calcium , ( sorry we forgot to tell you that long term cortisone intake might interfere with your bone health) diabetic? ( we have insuline and diets for that. etc... By the way the normal minimum dosage for artificial cortisone intake is 20 mg ,i am now on 17.5 since may. ( thanks to the biology of emotions ) http://home.earthlink.net/~clearpathway http://homepages.nyu.edu/~er26/toxicmind.html http://www.egroups.com/group/Depression-Anxiety jean-claude