In a message dated 9/17/00 9:45:49 PM, [log in to unmask] writes: << Dear Allcreatures person, (do you have a name?)>> No, my parents named me Allcreatures just for the heck of it. <<I did not attack you in any way that I can perceive.>> Oh well. I don't think you will ever get it. <<This list is full of feisty carnivores... I really did feel (and still do) that we might be a bit too carnal for your taste. We do discuss Paleo activities, such as bear killing in a primitive type way, as part of an intellectual fact finding pursuit for the truth of our ancestral lifestyle and diet (at least I do).>> Ok then. I didn't realize these discussions were a part of this group. The way you have this worded here is to share and educate, not to attack. I much prefer this and would certainly be open to reading more about this subject. Ray responded to my response to his post talking about cruelty in nature. Although I didn't necessarily agree with all that he wrote, he didn't turn it into a personal attack. Another man who's name escapes me right now spoke of the killing of animals and surviving in the wilds of Alaska. Again, he didn't turn his post into a personal attack, it was more to educate. <<The initial "emotional overreaction" was, in fact, yours. You think us unkind? I think not, but if you do, my assertion stands without apology.>> Wow. Please don't sign up as the welcoming committee for new members! I have to at this point apologize to the whole group. I said I wouldn't respond to any more of these posts, and now I've done it twice! I don't care to read petty arguments day after day between members, and I don't suppose others like to read this ongoing debate either. I joined the group for specific reasons, not to get involved in a silly no-win situation with people who aren't able to take in the views of others. I actually do have many questions about the paleo diet, but I'm wondering how to ask them without certain people taking them the wrong way, particularly after this experience with the two who are using this forum as their own personal soapbox to get attention. Thanks! >From the AllCreatures *person* <wink>