-----Original Message----- >Jean-Claude, is there a name for this variety of 'real grape'? not one variety but many thousands there is 2 wild plants from wich all grapes have been developped .the north american ( present in the great lakes region ,i have seen it in Ontario) from wich concord come from. and the meditarreans grapes which have been domesticated and diversified a long time ago. Wine grapes are closer to their natives origines because they don't look for bigger fruits but for flavorfull ones. Is is >possible to purchase them in north america? i am sure it is ,for some .( there is so many ) >From sean < Here in North Carolina, we have a wonderful "meaty" grape called "scuppernong" (I don't know if it's a local name or not) that grows uncontrollably once planted .> could you send me cuttings of your grapes i send you you some from here.( i have a black with small berries and a white, both very flavorfull.) any other interesting grapes around? thanks jean-claude