In response this post: <<Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:01:13 -0700 From: Lynda Bryson <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Nature and cruelty>> <<You know, for some one who is so upset at the idea that you must kill meat in order to eat it, you may be happier taking your delicate sensibilities elsewhere...>> I'll respond only to this post keeping the others in mind. Several people have jumped to conclusions about my post. Read my original post again - I didn't say I was against killing animals on that post. The way in which the bear was being killed - spearing and with the use of dogs I found cruel for both the bear and the dogs. When did it become a crime to have compassion? I was wondering why not shoot the bear and end his life quickly. I'm not saying I agree with this either, but the point of my post was not to attack people killing animals to eat meat, but rather about the unnecessary suffering of the animals - meaning, a long lingering death. I didn't and still don't understand the point and I don't believe in it. I have that right. <<Must you post the same thing three seperate times? Is this to give the impression of an outcry of protest?? Do you know where you are? >> Forgive me - I sent 2 posts and they were both returned as errors, so I sent a 3rd, not realizing that all 3 would end up being posted. They were all slightly different because I was retyping them and trying to be less harsh. You admitted, you read each of my 3 posts, yet......you didn't understand what my point was? Hmmmm <<The term "PETA plant" pops to mind.>> I'm not associated in any way with PETA. <<I wondered the same thing, considering the person's e-mail addy -- "AllCreatures.aol.com"...>> If you have ever done any reading, maybe you've heard of James Herriot. He was a veterinarian in Scotland and wrote a few books about his life and his practice. This is where my screen name AllCreatures comes from (All Creatures Great and Small, etc.) - I greatly enjoyed his books, nothing more, nothing less. <<Some of the BARF lists now have closed subscription so the list owners can screen who's joining.>> If you had screened me, what would you have found out? That I don't care for cruelty against humans and animals? I'm laughing here, but this whole thing is kind of pathetic really. I will not respond to any more of these immature, defensive, and ridiculous posts. Please read each post twice to be sure you understand it before unnecessarily attacking somebody, as in this case. I am a new member and was simply trying to learn. As a new member, I am amazed at the rudeness of several members. To all the others who have helped me directly and indirectly, thank you very much. I've enjoyed tremendously reading many posts on here. I am very impressed at the knowledge of many of the members and have learned a lot.