On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:44:50 -0400, Philip Thrift <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >Just as 'the stone' is a model (mental technology) so is 'the mind'. >'Stone', 'mind', 'you', 'me' are mental models, but are not real. >What is there really for us? Pure sensory data -- signals >(oops! -- another abstraction!) >What we do with it after that is modeling. > No problem, i think. It's not "only" modeling, modeling is all the important thing. Views, visions are important. B Not to "downgrade" everything as just a model. Better to equally regard various schematics and type of models and methods to explain the world as equaly valid reality. If you become conscious in a dream, you can experience all the dreamworld circumstances just like any other reality - just like wake, including memory. This is what can lead to accepting different equally valid "realities". Amadeus "I think, therefore I am - Descartes I think .. I'll have annother drink now - H=E4gar the horrible" also not bad...