>Philip Thrift wrote: >It's a matter of aesthetics -- and we are going back a generation; >I would say Frank Zane's was closer >to ideal than Arnold's -- but that's my aesthetics. Many people prefer the small frame bodybuilders. The one's with bird joints that allow them to create the most beautiful illusions. Zane was a notable of this crowd. Steve Reeves and Bob Paris also fit the profile. Currently, Flex Wheeler and Dexter Jackson have tiny frames too, but I wouldn't consider their physiques beautiful - they look like neanderthals due to their high doses of hGH. The way the criteria is set up is: 1. Size 2. Shape 3. Symetry 4. Presentation So, obviously, there's quite a bit of room for interpretation. All things considered, from a bodybuilding standpoint, I feel Arnold crushed Zane. But from a looks perspective, I would much rather look like Zane than Arnold b/c Zane was much more attractive. Zane married a bombshell, btw. Frank Zane pic: http://www.bodybuilder.org/gallery/indiv.php3?searchterm=338&image=zane03.jpg Bob Paris pic: http://www.bodybuilder.org/gallery/indiv.php3?searchterm=236&image=9344067903.jpg It's easy to see how the physiques have become more freakier over the years. Zane's pics reflect someone who uses low doses of steroids and no hGH. Paris' pics shows high doses of steroids with very minimal hGH usage. Here's a pic of the current Mr. Olympia, Ronnie Coleman: http://www.bodybuilder.org/gallery/indiv.php3?searchterm=58&image=96073794140.jpg Ronnie's pic reflects very very high doses of steroids (just look how leathery and thick his skin is) and very very high doses of hGH (just look how distended his belly is even though he is very lean). His skull features also look like that of a Neanderthal due to tons of hGH. Sorry, I know this is a way off topic post, but I love talking about the different physiques in bodybuilding. Justin Hasselman