On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:15:32 CDT, Justin Hasselman <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >Some people just find pushing themselves to physical limit to be rewarding. >It's not admirable, but it's a source of emotion for many. If I had a >choice, I would rather die at 30 with the body of Arnold than at 90 with the >body of Linus Pauling. I credit that to low self esteem, but we all have >our vices. I hope that is not the choice. My own personal aesthetic is the lean - muscular - cut look more like would find in something like Men's Workout instead of Flex. This is can be approximated without drugs or torturing yourself, and I have found life very pleasing (at 47) to live this way (for a very long time I hope). Philip Thrift http://www.paleofitness.com