Lamin thanks . I did not mean to take any business from you -I was thinking local beacuse the sister mentioned Silver Spring , Maryland Habib My nepher wants to ship a deisel generator to Farafennie. I willl give him your number also best regards Habib lamin wrote: > Hi Aunty Yasai, > The prices for shipping is charge according to the size of the material you are > shipping. boxes and suitcases prices from $50.00 to $100 a piece. > Send me your phone number an I will call you. > Thanks > > Lamin > DARBO`S TRAVEL & TOURS > TEL : 404-669-8559 > > > i am interested in sending some things to the gambia from silverspring.how do i go > > about it?could you please give me more information regarding cost etc. > > aja > > > > lamin wrote: > > > > > DARBO TRAVEL & TOURS HAS STARTED SHIPPING CONTAINERS TO > > > OUR GAMBIA, AND WILL LIKE TO LET ALL GAMBIA WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SHIPPING THINGS > > > BACK HOME TO CONTACT US. > > > WE DO MONEY TRANSFERS TOO > > > > > > OUR CONTACT NUMBER IS > > > TEL :- (404) 669-8559 > > > FAX:- (404) 669-8346 > > > email :[log in to unmask] > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > LAMIN > > > > > > Bahs wrote: > > > > > > > Inga, > > > > Please can I have Alhagi's telephone number. I misplaced the one I had from > > > > him. I will talk to Alhagi personally. > > > > Adama. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <[log in to unmask]> > > > > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > > > > Date: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:57 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Taking Stock > > > > > > > > >Hi Hamjatta! > > > > > There is a typing omission in my previous mail. A > > > > >sentence in paragraph 3 should read: "Even though the political option is > > > > >not the panacea to The Gambia's ills or some might even argue a likely > > > > >solution given Yaya's behaviour ..." Thanks and sorry for forgetting to > > > > >sign the earlier posting. > > > > > > > > > >Buharry. > > > > >----- Original > > > > >Message ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > - > > > > >-------------------- > > > > >From: MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <[log in to unmask]> > > > > >To: <[log in to unmask]> > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 4:17 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: Taking Stock > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Hamjatta! > > > > > When you wrote "over to you gentlemen", I assumed as one > > > > >of those who has recently praised Halifa and co. that your invitation > > > > >included me. Before going to the issues you raised, I don't think there is > > > > >anything wrong with expressing one's appreciation of the personalities > > > > >behind PDOIS and the personal sacrifices they have made for our country. > > > > >That is a prerogative we are within our rights to enjoy. I for one am truly > > > > >impressed by Halifa and co. and I take pride in making it known. In fact, > > > > >you impress me and I have made it known on a number of occasions on this > > > > >list and the first time I made it known was during your first debate with > > > > >none other than Halifa. I had and still have the prerogative to declare > > > > that > > > > >Halifa, you and anyone else impress me. Declaring such is in my opinion a > > > > >better alternative to what we have seen lately on the L. > > > > > > > > > > That aside, you wrote: "Indeed, writer after writer merely > > > > >stresses the point the Geat Leader, Halifa himself, makes in his missives > > > > to > > > > >the Jammeh since the April murders. They claim there is no credible > > > > >alternative to the Great Leader sitting in his Churchill's Town HQs penning > > > > >letters which implore the dictator to have a rethink on his strangle hold > > > > on > > > > >the Gambian people and advocating that elections [even if as their > > > > >deliverance are being muddled by throw-away threats by the gov't which cast > > > > >question marks over them ever taking place] and the political process are > > > > t! > > > > >he only viable options existing to the Gambian people to deal with Jammeh." > > > > > > > > > > Maybe other writers claimed that there is no other option to Halifa > > > > >penning letters. I can therefore not comment on that because I don't agree > > > > >with the statement. As to whether the political process is the only viable > > > > >option, I feel that the political process coupled with continuous internal > > > > >and external pressure is a much better alternative than the repeated calls > > > > >for violent means of bringing about change. Whereas change that is brought > > > > >about politically can offer tested leaders who have had a chance to explain > > > > >their policies and programs to the people, change that is brought about by > > > > >violent and sudden means offers a Russian roulette alternative. It is > > > > >granted that there is a possibility that such a change of government can be > > > > >effectively and efficiently executed without loss of life and destruction > > > > of > > > > >property and that such a change can produce a leader who has the interests > > > > >of the nation at heart. However, the dangers associated with that method > > > > are > > > > >plenty and cannot be ignored. Something can always go wrong even with the > > > > >most carefully planned operation and the result can be devastating for our > > > > >country. Another risk, given that the people executing such operations can > > > > >be any Tom, Dick or Harry, is that we might have someone who is worse than > > > > >Yaya. Much, much, much worse. What do we do then? Pray that someone else > > > > >violently removes him? Isn't that akin to creating a coup industry whereby > > > > >anyone with guts and the blessings of a marabout can attempt to overthrow a > > > > >government? What are the implications of such an industry on the stability > > > > >and security of our country? Another risk is that people propagating for a > > > > >violent change of government might be doing so out of a wish to revenge > > > > >personal wrongs meted out by the government or by Yaya. Instead of > > > > "praying" > > > > >Yaya to "Tan" (just joking) and getting on with it, they might use the > > > > >Gambian people as pawns in an endeavour that could go wrong with horrendous > > > > >consequences. What would happen if such people succeed? Would they kill and > > > > >imprison everyone associated with Yaya? Is that good for the continuity of > > > > >our country as a viable entity? Even though the political option is not the > > > > >panacea to The Gambia's ills or even a likely solution, the risks > > > > associated > > > > >with the violent option are many. (On a less related note, acquire IP > > > > >tracing software and trace some of the IP addresses of some of the people > > > > >propagating violent change in The Gambia and claiming to be in The Gambia, > > > > >"on the ground", "in the this" or "in the that" and you'll be really > > > > >surprised when you see some writing from Russia, England, US etc.) > > > > > > > > > > You also wrote: "If as these Alumni of PDOIS/Foroyaa are > > > > >gloating about the success or inevitability of success of the strategy of > > > > >their party, surely it's about time one takes them to task and ask them to > > > > >empirically state how the aforesaid strategy has made any concrete > > > > >difference since the gruesome murders of April 10 and 11. It is time we ask > > > > >ourselves what is working or practically workable as we struggle with the > > > > >dictator." > > > > > > > > > > It is empirically impossible to measure whether PDOIS' strategy > > > > >vis-à-vis the April massacre has had some effect just as it is empirically > > > > >impossible to determine if it didn't have an effect. Why? Because even if > > > > >one were to institute a study, the available variables would render coming > > > > >to a conclusion practically impossible due to, among other reasons, the > > > > >multi-pronged reaction and handling of the massacre. That aside, one can > > > > see > > > > >that the total and universal condemnation, including but not limited to > > > > >PDOIS' approach, has had an effect no matter how small. Yaya could have > > > > >reacted when he came back from Cuba in his usual fashion and picked up the > > > > >line of his officials, which so infuriated the Gambian people. He didn't. A > > > > >commission was instituted. That also is an indication of the effect the > > > > >pressures had. The Government's fear in releasing the Coroner's Report also > > > > >indicates a fear of the reaction of the people assuming that the report is > > > > >damning. I am not saying that all this is the panacea to the issue of the > > > > >April massacre. It might even be counter-productive to the desire to get to > > > > >the truth but at least giving in to the pressures levied by among others, > > > > >PDOIS, is an indication of the effect that penning letters at Churchill's > > > > >Town or strongly condemning brutal acts from Oxford can have. The letters > > > > of > > > > >PDOIS and the actions of others made it possible for the ban on the UDP to > > > > >hold rallies to be lifted. That also is testimony, no matter how small, > > > > that > > > > >the PDOIS strategy is having an effect. > > > > > > > > > > On the issue of the political parties staging civil > > > > disobedience > > > > >measures, maybe all the political parties can give you an answer. I > > > > >personally respect the decisions of the parties to either engage in such or > > > > >not, given that they are more in tune with the realities on the ground than > > > > >I am. I respect the fact that such a move is a strategic one that has to > > > > >consider timing,practicability, risk not only to one's self but also to > > > > >supporters, resources and a host of other variables and has to be done > > > > after > > > > >the parties feel that they do not have any other option. Whilst I can see > > > > >the benefits of such a move, I can also see risks involved which include > > > > >giving Yaya the opportunity to declare a state of emergency, rounding up > > > > all > > > > >the political leaders and indefinitely postponing the elections. It has > > > > >happened in other countries. > > > > > > > > > > Hamjatta, I have tried to deal with the issues you raised. I however > > > > >have some questions for you if you don't mind, given that you wrote: "It is > > > > >time we ask ourselves what is working or practically workable as we > > > > struggle > > > > >with the dictator." The questions are: > > > > > > > > > > 1.. What has been your strategy since the April massacre as a concerned > > > > >citizen to ensure that justice is served? > > > > > 2.. How is it different from PDOIS'? > > > > > 3.. How have you implemented the strategy or how do you intend to > > > > >implement the strategy? > > > > > 4.. Can you guarantee or at least gauge whether the results of your > > > > >strategy will have a higher success rate than PDOIS'? > > > > > 5.. What do you base such predictions or pronouncements on? > > > > > 6.. What alternative approach can you proffer to deal with the current > > > > >political impasse in The Gambia given that PDOIS' approach is not, in your > > > > >opinion, working? > > > > > 7.. How do you intend to institute your alternative? > > > > > 8.. What do you expect PDOIS and the other political parties to do in the > > > > >meantime? > > > > > 9.. Given that you feel that the political process is not a workable > > > > >alternative, do you believe that the only available or workable option > > > > would > > > > >be a violent overthrow of the Government? > > > > > 10.. When? What if that is not possible in the next one, two, five, ten > > > > >years? > > > > > 11.. Should the political parties stop all operations and wait for the > > > > >alternative you propose or do you believe that they are obliged under the > > > > >Constitution of The Gambia and their own to propagate by lawful means their > > > > >beliefs? > > > > > Sorry for the long list of questions. Anyway, The Gambia is in a > > > > >quagmire and I don't think that PDOIS or their supporters claim to have the > > > > >universal remedy for the country's woes. What they claim is to have small > > > > >steps which are pursued through pressure be it in the form of letters or > > > > >otherwise. PDOIS and their supporters are however not the only people to > > > > >have a claim to The Gambia. If the other stakeholders, in the form of > > > > >political parties and concerned citizens, contribute in their small ways a > > > > >cure will eventually be found when all adds up. 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