Mr. Bah, Please lets open a chapter in this forum.Your posting seems to add more injuries to the wound alreadycaused. May ALLAH guides us all in the right path.AMEN! ARONA >From: alfusainey bah <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Another Ebou Taal's son reacts! >Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:19:55 PDT > >Mr. Ceesay, > Mr Mambuna is right. You should reply to private sent mails >privately. I don't blame Sal and his sister for reacting the way they did. >Is there anyone in this L or anyone for that matter who would not react the >same way if their parents are shamelessly written about? You should not >have attacked Sal the way you did here. I thought you said you have put >this >topic to rest. > By the way the other day one of your sources sent you a mail joking >about APRC having no money in their coffers and that Tombong should look >for >funds to show European Soccer games on Gambian TV. This is not a laughing >matter. People are suffering in The Gambia. Students just got massacred, >some are injured and still in hospital. Ebrima, you know about the >situation in Gambia more than any of us and you and your sources are more >concerned about soccer games. > Please Mr Ceesay concentrate on the good job you are doing for all of >us, exposing the bad guys and not get into stuff that would shatter all >that >good job. > Alfusainey Bah > > > >>From: Mambuna >Bojang <[log in to unmask]> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list >><[log in to unmask]> >>To: [log in to unmask] >>Subject: Re: Another Ebou Taal's son reacts! >>Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:35:54 -0400 >> >>Mr. Ceesay, >> >>With all due respect, I don't think you should have sent this "personal >>attack" >>on the list. Salieu Taal wrote to you in private, and please next time >>respond >>to private mails privately. If you have a beef with Salieu or vise visa, >>most of >>us are not interested in it. While I do agree with many that you are doing >>a >>great job for disseminating insightful info. to this very list, I think >>you >>sometimes take things out of context. Both Fatou and Salieu Taal have >>reasons to >>attack you about their father - who on this list won't if you were in >>their >>shoes? They did it wisely in private and its amazing how you can turn that >>around and expose their past on the "Bantaba". Its just ridiculous. >> >>By the way, I don't know any of the Taal family. I am just concern about >>this >>type of unwarranted personal attacks. It happens time and again on this >>list, >>and we have to be mindful. What goes around comes around. >> >>God Speed! >> >>Pa Mambuna >> >> >>Ebrima Ceesay wrote: >> >> > Salieu Taal: >> > >> > Before I attempt to shatter your baseless allegations into pieces, I >>must >> > warn you now, that if this is the kind of shallow analysis, or flimsy >> > writing you are going to be rendering us, especially with all the >> > credentials added to your name, I'll have no choice except to ask >>Buckingham >> > University to revoke the Law Degree conferred on you forthwith. And I >>mean >> > it! >> > >> > Believe me, Sal, next time you send me this sort of woolly, quibble and >> > muddled writing, I'll send a copy of it to Buckingham and ask them >>whether >> > this is the sort of narrow and smattering analysis/writing they are >>teaching >> > their students. >> > >> > I'll make it clear to the Rector at Buckingham University that if they >>do >> > not want their reputation as one of the leading Universities in England >>to >> > be tarnished, then they must ask you, Salieu, to go back to school and >>do >> > some serious reading!! >> > >> > Honestly, Salieu, being an alumnus of Buck - a very expensive private >> > University for that matter - but, more significantly, given all the >> > credentials/titles ( LLB; MA ) attached to your name, I had expected >>you >>to >> > come up with something mature, tangible, ungarbled and >>well-thought-out! >> > >> > But just like your Sister's trash the other day, yours too was childish >>- >> > very immature to say the least - empty and, of course, full of >>distortions. >> > What a shame! Sal, believe me, with all your bluff, I swear I CAN put >>you in >> > a classroom and teach you - having regard to the trash you just sent >>me. >> > >> > How can a lawyer, or someone with a Law Degree like you, deliberately >>tell >> > lies or distort the facts? Who told you that I was the one who wrote >>the >> > Story about your Dad in the Daily Observer? Even your punk sister, >>Fatou >> > Taal, did know that "Alieu Badara Sowe had written the story" in >>question, >> > except that she, Fatou, had lied that I had asked Alieu Badara Sowe to >>write >> > the story. >> > >> > Anyway, let me now move to the issue. Salieu, among other things, you >> > wrote..."Ebrima, I am shocked by your unwarranted and unsubstantiated >>attack >> > on my father...You ought not write any story on the basis of hearsay or >> > undisclosed sources... My father never came to the UK neither was he >> > declared Persona Non Grata...Your report was factually unsound and >>inspired >> > by spite"... >> > >> > Sal, these cited quotations from your e-mail, are very misleading and >> > unfounded to say the least - wrongly insinuating that I wrote the Daily >> > Observer story - and in fact if you do not withdraw them forthwith, >>I'll >> > write a pamphlet on your mediocrity and expose to the whole world, what >>a >> > man of straw you are!!! >> > >> > Let me now put things in perspective for you, in order to set the >>record >> > straight, but also to expose you as a buffoon and a crank! >> > >> > ** The first point to note, Salieu, is that the story on your Dad, or >>in >> > question, was written by Alieu Badara Sowe, who is an assistant editor >>at >> > the Observer and it was the very Observer he works for that carried the >> > article. >> > >> > ** Question: How did I get into this whole saga? >> > >> > ** Now, Salieu, read this very carefully: One of my sources in Banjul >>sent >> > me an e-mail, where he had said that his Secretary had phoned his >>mobile >> > when he was at a meeting in Yundum, and told him that one of the >>newspapers >> > had a headline, saying that "Ebou Taal was declared Persona non Grata >>by >>the >> > UK government." >> > >> > ** And later on, when my source finally got copies of his newspapers, >>he >> > sent me another e-mail - which I forwarded to the L - disclosing, first >>of >> > all, that it was the Observer that reported the Ebou Taal story, adding >>also >> > that according to the article, Ebou Taal apparently travelled to >>London, >>but >> > was given 48 hours to leave the UK. >> > >> > ** Subsequently, the Daily Observer realised that the story was >>unfounded >> > and, as a result, they retracted it with an unreservedly written >>apology >>to >> > your Dad. >> > >> > ** And, needles to say, in keeping with the ethics of good journalism, >> > Tombong Saidy - and later on my very self - forwarded the retraction in >>the >> > Daily Observer, to the L, except that in my own posting to the L, I >>made >>a >> > comment/observation to the effect, that it was "untrue" for the >>Government >> > to have said, through the Daily Observer, that your Dad was "never >>convicted >> > for embezzlement." Because the record shows that your Dad was indeed >> > convicted for embezzlement! >> > >> > So, Sal, where did I go wrong? Or better yet, who told you, or where on >> > earth did they say that I wrote the article in question? Yes, the >>person >>who >> > authored the story about your Dad, Alieu Badara Sowe, just like you, is >> > someone I know very well, but if he had contacted me before hand, he >> > wouldn't have written such a wrong and hasty story. >> > >> > I would have given him all the facts he needed to know regarding the >> > decision by Yaya Jammeh to appoint/nominate your Dad as Gambia's >> > ambassador-designate to the UK and, more significantly, the disapproval >>of >> > your Dad's nomination by the UK government. >> > >> > But, the truth of the matter, Salieu, is that I have not been in any >>form of >> > contact with the Daily Observer since Kenneth Best sold it to Amadou >>Samba >> > over a year ago. And, in fact, the last time I spoke with Alieu Badara >>Sowe >> > was in the Gambia in 1996! >> > >> > So, Salieu, where is the evidence that I wrote the article on your Dad? >> > You've really let me down academically/intellectually! Sincerely >>speaking, I >> > had thought that you were better than this - on the whole you are >>nothing >> > but a lightweight, a froth, a pipsqueak!! >> > >> > And, surprisingly, at your level, you do not even write English well, >>your >> > grammar was disappointing to say the least! Boy, if I was lucky - many >>years >> > ago - to have the African Development Bank pay for my University >>Education, >> > as they did for you all these years, believe me, I could have been one >>of >> > your lecturers at Buck! >> > >> > You call me "half-baked." Me! In fact, Susan Rowe on Gambia L, who >>trains >> > teachers at Reading University, and who also wrote about 5 books, had >>to >> > laugh at your claims - the whole of yesterday - that I, Ebrima Ceesay, >>have >> > "half-baked, haphazard and dubious educational background"... >> > >> > Well, except something is wrong with Susan Rowe (Laugh) but anyway it >>was >> > consoling to hear an independent person, an outsider like Susan Rowe, >> > acknowledge that my writings, especially my English, are "impeccable" >>unlike >> > yours! >> > >> > And, by the way, even today your "half-baked" Journalist was invited in >> > Reading to share his limited knowledge with the students there, but he >> > couldn't make it! >> > >> > Well, let some of you continue to call me a "half baked" Journalist. >>The >> > Prophet Muhammed (SAW), as we all know, was initially rejected by his >>own >> > people, but, subsequently, he carried the day! My day will come! >> > >> > Meanwhile, at least, I can find some comfort in the fact that while >>Salieu >> > Taal is calling me a "half-baked" Journalist, more and more outsiders >>are >> > recognising the potentials in the me and are in fact demanding to work >>with >> > me. >> > >> > Susan Rowe being the latest person, apart from the late John Wiseman, >>to >>ask >> > the "half-baked journalist" to co-author two books with her; and, >>needless >> > to say, that project will soon start. >> > >> > And again, thanks to Susan Rowe's benevolence, the necessary fund will >>be >> > obtained - through the Joseph Tree Foundation - for me to do my >>Doctoral >> > thesis this September! Inshallah! >> > >> > May be, if I have the title of "Dr" added to my name, then people like >> > Salieu Taal, who has this mentality that ONLY Ph.D holders are >>academically >> > good, will soon give me the respect I deserve! (laugh!) >> > >> > Ebrima Ceesay >> > Birmingham, UK >> > >> > PS: Gambia-L: It always pays to be humble/modest, but when people keep >> > pushing you against the world, one is obliged to be act immodestly! >> > >> > Dr Janneh: Thanks for clarification on the Omar Bongo/Jammeh e-mail my >> > source sent me yesterday! >> > >>________________________________________________________________________ >> > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >>http://www.hotmail.com >> > >> > >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >>Gambia-L >> > Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >> > >> > >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L >>Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L >Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------