Dear Follows, I aint no expert in human relations by any stretch of the imagination; But there is a rule spelt by wise men before us that will not stop being the Golden Rule of all time.It is as simple as it is effective. <DO ON TO OTHERS WHAT YOU WILL HAVE THEM DO ON TO YOU> PEACE OUT SINCERELY Kalilu Camara >From: Mambuna Bojang <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Another Ebou Taal's son reacts! >Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:06:41 -0400 > >Ebrima Ceesay "Manding Mori", > >Chill out! You are not at war with anyone, at least not with me. Let me go >ahead >and say your de-listing from the L will be a substantial loss, but that >does not >mean one should not point out your defects. Again, I reiterate, your fight >with >Salieu (if that is what you will call it) should have been "private". All >of us >have a past and you shouldn't sound arrogant by threatening to reveal his >past. >We are not interested in that. > >I will urge you to continue forwarding to us those valuable pieces of info. >you >are already forwarding and refrain from sending private and personal stuff. >Each >of us is a master in our own domain and there is no need for bragging >about >individual accomplishments. You kind of seem to do that a lot whenever >someone >disagrees with you. > >By the way I can step in your shoes and call you names just like you do, >but I am >not going to do that. I believe we can disagree to agree without resorting >to >labeling names. > >God Speed! > >Pa Mambuna, >Lexington, KY > >Ebrima Ceesay wrote: > > > Mambuna Bojang: > > > > To tell you the truth, I do not give a damn regarding your views about >me! > > In fact, I don't care what you think about me! I am now tired of this > > unending hypocrisy on Gambia-L and, henceforth, I am ready for a >war/fight. > > I do not care what other people will think about me! I mean it! And I am > > even ready to unsubscribe from the L. > > > > I am now ready to show any member of Gambia L what my true colours are! >I am > > now tired of this diplomacy business. Why is it that some Gambians do >not > > want people who are nice/gentle like me? No wonder people like Matarr >Njie > > are given the fear and respect they do not even deserve, simply because >they > > are rude! What some of you deserve is someone who is direct, abrupt and > > nasty! > > > > Well, from now on, I'll give it as it is! In fact, you are lucky that I >do > > not have adequate time right now; otherwise I would have exposed your > > hypocrisy! Didn't you read what Sal Taal wrote about me, on the L. And >if > > yes, don't I also have the right to send my version to the L and copy it >to > > Sal? > > > > Ebrima Ceesay > > > > >From: Mambuna Bojang <[log in to unmask]> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > > ><[log in to unmask]> > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > >Subject: Re: Another Ebou Taal's son reacts! > > >Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:35:54 -0400 > > > > > >Mr. Ceesay, > > > > > >With all due respect, I don't think you should have sent this "personal > > >attack" > > >on the list. Salieu Taal wrote to you in private, and please next time > > >respond > > >to private mails privately. If you have a beef with Salieu or vise >visa, > > >most of > > >us are not interested in it. While I do agree with many that you are >doing > > >a > > >great job for disseminating insightful info. to this very list, I think >you > > >sometimes take things out of context. Both Fatou and Salieu Taal have > > >reasons to > > >attack you about their father - who on this list won't if you were in >their > > >shoes? They did it wisely in private and its amazing how you can turn >that > > >around and expose their past on the "Bantaba". Its just ridiculous. > > > > > >By the way, I don't know any of the Taal family. I am just concern >about > > >this > > >type of unwarranted personal attacks. It happens time and again on this > > >list, > > >and we have to be mindful. What goes around comes around. > > > > > >God Speed! > > > > > >Pa Mambuna > > > > > > > > >Ebrima Ceesay wrote: > > > > > > > Salieu Taal: > > > > > > > > Before I attempt to shatter your baseless allegations into pieces, I > > >must > > > > warn you now, that if this is the kind of shallow analysis, or >flimsy > > > > writing you are going to be rendering us, especially with all the > > > > credentials added to your name, I'll have no choice except to ask > > >Buckingham > > > > University to revoke the Law Degree conferred on you forthwith. And >I > > >mean > > > > it! > > > > > > > > Believe me, Sal, next time you send me this sort of woolly, quibble >and > > > > muddled writing, I'll send a copy of it to Buckingham and ask them > > >whether > > > > this is the sort of narrow and smattering analysis/writing they are > > >teaching > > > > their students. > > > > > > > > I'll make it clear to the Rector at Buckingham University that if >they > > >do > > > > not want their reputation as one of the leading Universities in >England > > >to > > > > be tarnished, then they must ask you, Salieu, to go back to school >and > > >do > > > > some serious reading!! > > > > > > > > Honestly, Salieu, being an alumnus of Buck - a very expensive >private > > > > University for that matter - but, more significantly, given all the > > > > credentials/titles ( LLB; MA ) attached to your name, I had expected >you > > >to > > > > come up with something mature, tangible, ungarbled and >well-thought-out! > > > > > > > > But just like your Sister's trash the other day, yours too was >childish > > >- > > > > very immature to say the least - empty and, of course, full of > > >distortions. > > > > What a shame! Sal, believe me, with all your bluff, I swear I CAN >put > > >you in > > > > a classroom and teach you - having regard to the trash you just sent >me. > > > > > > > > How can a lawyer, or someone with a Law Degree like you, >deliberately > > >tell > > > > lies or distort the facts? Who told you that I was the one who wrote >the > > > > Story about your Dad in the Daily Observer? Even your punk sister, >Fatou > > > > Taal, did know that "Alieu Badara Sowe had written the story" in > > >question, > > > > except that she, Fatou, had lied that I had asked Alieu Badara Sowe >to > > >write > > > > the story. > > > > > > > > Anyway, let me now move to the issue. Salieu, among other things, >you > > > > wrote..."Ebrima, I am shocked by your unwarranted and >unsubstantiated > > >attack > > > > on my father...You ought not write any story on the basis of hearsay >or > > > > undisclosed sources... My father never came to the UK neither was he > > > > declared Persona Non Grata...Your report was factually unsound and > > >inspired > > > > by spite"... > > > > > > > > Sal, these cited quotations from your e-mail, are very misleading >and > > > > unfounded to say the least - wrongly insinuating that I wrote the >Daily > > > > Observer story - and in fact if you do not withdraw them forthwith, >I'll > > > > write a pamphlet on your mediocrity and expose to the whole world, >what > > >a > > > > man of straw you are!!! > > > > > > > > Let me now put things in perspective for you, in order to set the >record > > > > straight, but also to expose you as a buffoon and a crank! > > > > > > > > ** The first point to note, Salieu, is that the story on your Dad, >or in > > > > question, was written by Alieu Badara Sowe, who is an assistant >editor > > >at > > > > the Observer and it was the very Observer he works for that carried >the > > > > article. > > > > > > > > ** Question: How did I get into this whole saga? > > > > > > > > ** Now, Salieu, read this very carefully: One of my sources in >Banjul > > >sent > > > > me an e-mail, where he had said that his Secretary had phoned his >mobile > > > > when he was at a meeting in Yundum, and told him that one of the > > >newspapers > > > > had a headline, saying that "Ebou Taal was declared Persona non >Grata by > > >the > > > > UK government." > > > > > > > > ** And later on, when my source finally got copies of his >newspapers, he > > > > sent me another e-mail - which I forwarded to the L - disclosing, >first > > >of > > > > all, that it was the Observer that reported the Ebou Taal story, >adding > > >also > > > > that according to the article, Ebou Taal apparently travelled to >London, > > >but > > > > was given 48 hours to leave the UK. > > > > > > > > ** Subsequently, the Daily Observer realised that the story was > > >unfounded > > > > and, as a result, they retracted it with an unreservedly written >apology > > >to > > > > your Dad. > > > > > > > > ** And, needles to say, in keeping with the ethics of good >journalism, > > > > Tombong Saidy - and later on my very self - forwarded the retraction >in > > >the > > > > Daily Observer, to the L, except that in my own posting to the L, I >made > > >a > > > > comment/observation to the effect, that it was "untrue" for the > > >Government > > > > to have said, through the Daily Observer, that your Dad was "never > > >convicted > > > > for embezzlement." Because the record shows that your Dad was indeed > > > > convicted for embezzlement! > > > > > > > > So, Sal, where did I go wrong? Or better yet, who told you, or where >on > > > > earth did they say that I wrote the article in question? Yes, the >person > > >who > > > > authored the story about your Dad, Alieu Badara Sowe, just like you, >is > > > > someone I know very well, but if he had contacted me before hand, he > > > > wouldn't have written such a wrong and hasty story. > > > > > > > > I would have given him all the facts he needed to know regarding the > > > > decision by Yaya Jammeh to appoint/nominate your Dad as Gambia's > > > > ambassador-designate to the UK and, more significantly, the >disapproval > > >of > > > > your Dad's nomination by the UK government. > > > > > > > > But, the truth of the matter, Salieu, is that I have not been in any > > >form of > > > > contact with the Daily Observer since Kenneth Best sold it to Amadou > > >Samba > > > > over a year ago. And, in fact, the last time I spoke with Alieu >Badara > > >Sowe > > > > was in the Gambia in 1996! > > > > > > > > So, Salieu, where is the evidence that I wrote the article on your >Dad? > > > > You've really let me down academically/intellectually! Sincerely > > >speaking, I > > > > had thought that you were better than this - on the whole you are > > >nothing > > > > but a lightweight, a froth, a pipsqueak!! > > > > > > > > And, surprisingly, at your level, you do not even write English >well, > > >your > > > > grammar was disappointing to say the least! Boy, if I was lucky - >many > > >years > > > > ago - to have the African Development Bank pay for my University > > >Education, > > > > as they did for you all these years, believe me, I could have been >one > > >of > > > > your lecturers at Buck! > > > > > > > > You call me "half-baked." Me! In fact, Susan Rowe on Gambia L, who > > >trains > > > > teachers at Reading University, and who also wrote about 5 books, >had to > > > > laugh at your claims - the whole of yesterday - that I, Ebrima >Ceesay, > > >have > > > > "half-baked, haphazard and dubious educational background"... > > > > > > > > Well, except something is wrong with Susan Rowe (Laugh) but anyway >it > > >was > > > > consoling to hear an independent person, an outsider like Susan >Rowe, > > > > acknowledge that my writings, especially my English, are >"impeccable" > > >unlike > > > > yours! > > > > > > > > And, by the way, even today your "half-baked" Journalist was invited >in > > > > Reading to share his limited knowledge with the students there, but >he > > > > couldn't make it! > > > > > > > > Well, let some of you continue to call me a "half baked" Journalist. >The > > > > Prophet Muhammed (SAW), as we all know, was initially rejected by >his > > >own > > > > people, but, subsequently, he carried the day! My day will come! > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, at least, I can find some comfort in the fact that while > > >Salieu > > > > Taal is calling me a "half-baked" Journalist, more and more >outsiders > > >are > > > > recognising the potentials in the me and are in fact demanding to >work > > >with > > > > me. > > > > > > > > Susan Rowe being the latest person, apart from the late John >Wiseman, to > > >ask > > > > the "half-baked journalist" to co-author two books with her; and, > > >needless > > > > to say, that project will soon start. > > > > > > > > And again, thanks to Susan Rowe's benevolence, the necessary fund >will > > >be > > > > obtained - through the Joseph Tree Foundation - for me to do my >Doctoral > > > > thesis this September! Inshallah! > > > > > > > > May be, if I have the title of "Dr" added to my name, then people >like > > > > Salieu Taal, who has this mentality that ONLY Ph.D holders are > > >academically > > > > good, will soon give me the respect I deserve! (laugh!) > > > > > > > > Ebrima Ceesay > > > > Birmingham, UK > > > > > > > > PS: Gambia-L: It always pays to be humble/modest, but when people >keep > > > > pushing you against the world, one is obliged to be act immodestly! > > > > > > > > Dr Janneh: Thanks for clarification on the Omar Bongo/Jammeh e-mail >my > > > > source sent me yesterday! > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the > > >Gambia-L > > > > Web interface at: >http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > > > > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >Gambia-L > > >Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >Gambia-L > > Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L >Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------