Thanks for the next layer Bobby. I'm focussed elsewhere and not quite in the fray. I think the group could use a good discussion about "attitudes" and "assumptions"--especially when we get fearful and confused about what we don't know or know too little or know distortedly--especially about mental and emotional matters. Though we all have our own. Politics can get rough and dirty. McCain risks being smeared, especially for what makes him so distinctive and decent. In politics we take no prisoners, in war, when we can, we do. The Bush ethos sees winning as the primary game--ya gotta win to govern. I cherish your being passionate. And I'm still heterosexual. My sly point, not openly stated in my PISS post, is that after birth everybody lives levels of PTS. We're just not ripe to acknowledge. S. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Bobby Greer <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: PISS Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:28:33 EST Fri, 3 Mar 2000 9:29:14 -0500 ISM. I am an independent and I have voted Democrat more than I've voted Republican. I grew up in a military town(San Antonio) abd Auide Murphy's To Hell and back is the only book I have read five times(I've seen the movie countless times). According to his biography, Mur[hy really had PTSD after he went to Hollywood. He slept an average of two hours per night. This is to say, I have always had a "thing" for war hero's. For very illogical reasons, Murphy's book got me through my adolescent and was pivotal in helping me achieve what I have. So, when you pit a war hero again some political hacks, IHMO, there is no contest in my mind. Murphy had PTSD, my cousin who fought through Guadacanal had PTSD, my brother in law in Texas was in a Chinese prison camp at the age of 18 as a result of the Chosen(sp?) Resrvoir fiasco has some types of PTSD. But all of them are effective in life. The same goes for McCain, IMHO. And when someone attacks them like Paul V (INEEDASWEETIE) I go balistic. No apolgies, I will do it again in a heart beat if provoked. Bobby ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com