Speaking from personal experience, I am an adult surviorer of child abuse- physical,emotional and mental. My mother has yet to apologize or even admit to it, and my dad is just as bad by standing by and let it happen to me and my sister(whom he sexually abused). My brother was never messed with, but did become an alcoholic at age 15. Now we find out that my mother is suffering from sort of mental condition which is progressively getting worse. It doesn't help my father hitting on her either. Maybe that is why I strongly oppose any type of physical punishment. I cringe and almost cry every time my husband ends up spanking one of the children. It is a very fine line between discipline and abuse, but you will know when you crossed the line. Deborah mom of 4 __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html