In a message dated 2/18/2000 8:57:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: << elaine, i challenge you to go for a ride on the new york subway sometime. They ARE filthy, they do look like a warzone, and you do not have control over who rides with you. I know i wouldn't want to ride in a subway car with men looking like criminals, i wouldn't want to ride with people wearing black leather and all kinds of chains. I too, disapprove of 20 year old women who have 6 kids already. >> They arent that bad. I lived in new york for many years and take the subway alot to nyc