Sorry about all this, Ken.
On a similar note, I went to a memorial service Sunday for an elderly friend
of mine who'd died this past May (they had held the service so late to
accommodate several relatives who had to come in from abroad). She was 94,
a German Jew who'd got a law degree but couldn't practice law because the
Nazis didn't allow Jews to practice law. So she went to Spain and took part
in the Spanish Civil War. After the war was over in Europe (WWII), she
married a fellow German Jew and emigrated to the US. Divorced her first
husband and married a second time in 1953. He died about 10 years ago and
had a relationship with an old friend in Spain. What a woman! When I met
her, she was 88 or so and was only 4'8" but you could tell she had a
forceful personality and the convictions of her beliefs. She was always
saying, "Humanity can be cruel, yes, but we can forgive." What a woman!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barber, Kenneth L." <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: Can't stand it anymore....
> well, it has been a tough weekend. before i got ready to go to my aunts
> funeral judy's sister called and told her that her uncle had died. i got
> back last night late. we did church and our anerversary dinner. then
> we learned that judy's granddaddy had died. 3 in one weekend is very
> i am going to bed. i'll get back soon.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Salkin Kathleen
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: 8/30/2002 10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Can't stand it anymore....
> I don't think you can separate environmental issues from economics and
> that's why the summit in Kyoto was as much about economics as the
> We need to realise that third world countries see industrial nations as
> being major polluters because they are the ones who build the factories,
> exhibit conspicuous consumption of the Earth's resources. And there's a
> grain of truth in it. I don't agree that third world countries pollute
> than industrial countries except in the matter of overpopulation and
> waste products. We industrialised nations have more pollutants in
> wastes and air quality.
> One only need read Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring," and Paul Erlich's
> Population Bomb" to gain another perspective on these issues.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barber, Kenneth L." <[log in to unmask]>
> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c-palsy
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 10:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Can't stand it anymore....
> > deri, you are very rarely wrong, but, i think that the worst
> poluters in
> > the world are the third world countries. and you are right in one way,
> > conference as was kyoto is mostly PR or more corectly proproganda. it
> > billed as environmental, but, they are talking ecconomics. mostly anti
> > capitalist ecconmics (i think capitalism has worked better than any
> > ecconomic system). i think that is why mr bush chose not to attend
> > and only dispacted someone to represent our interest.
> > i hope that what would be right for us would be right for most of
> > world. that is not always the case. mr bush is not president of the
> > is the u.s. leader. you'll have to look to majors to represent
> > although we have rarely been at odds in the last century.
> > cheers my good friend.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Deri James
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: 8/30/2002 5:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: Can't stand it anymore....
> > On Friday 30 Aug 2002 2:58 am, Barber, Kenneth L. wrote:
> > > i can't disagree. there will be changes if saddam falls, from us
> > > or from within. and i'll say this, noi matter how well intended mr
> > > bush might be, the changes may very well be different from what he
> > > expects. may be different that what others expect. it will be
> > > unpredictable. i want him to be careful what ever he does. i pray
> > > that if we do something or refrain from doing something, that it
> > > will be right for our country first and then right for the rest of
> > > the innocent people of the world.
> > Ahh, there's the problem, what if he does something he considers right
> > for your country, but is most definitely "not right" for the rest of
> > the innocent people of the rest of the world. How do you think the
> > rest of the world views the fact that Bush can't be bothered to
> > attend the current conference in South Africa attempting to improve
> > the economic position of the poorest, or that since the last World
> > Conference in Kyoto the US is the only major country which has
> > actually increased pollution. It is the PR from things like this
> > which provides fodder for tomorrows extremists.
> > > i'll interject here that saddam is a dictator, but, then so are the
> > > leaders of most of the mid east countrys including our buddies in
> > > the house of Sauld. the common people don't get any of that oil
> > > money.
> > >
> > Dictatorship is a very old political system, practically every country
> > mentioned in the Bible had one. The problem is not the system, its
> > the individual.
> > "Never touch a man's rum, bum, baccy or politics" - Chief Petty
> > Officer Redmond MBE Royal Navy (Retired).
> > Cheers
> > Deri