What application are you using to read the article? I'll assume it's 
something like Internet Explorer or Adobe Reader.

First, why do you expect caps-lock+down-arrow to read the rest of the 
text using NVDA? This command will move the review cursor to the next 
line and read it. If you want to read from the current position to the 
end of the text, use the caps-lock+a key sequence.

I guess the fact that NVDA says selecting before the word being 
selected, instead of afterwards, has never really bothered me too much. 
I can keep selecting text without having to wait for NVDA to stop 
speaking, and I just slow down when I get close to the end of what I 
want to select. I do prefer the way JAWS does it, and I don't see how to 
change this behavior in NVDA. It might be worth mentioning it to the 
NVDA team, if they haven't already considered it.

I've always used a clipboard manager in Windows to get around the 
limitations of the basic Windows clipboard, so again, I've never even 
noticed that JAWS gives you this additional feature. You might also want 
to check the application that you're using. Firefox, for example, has a 
plug in that let's you append text to the clipboard.

When using JAWS, have you tried using the F8 key to select an element? 
Here's what it says in the help for JAWS:

Select Entire Element
JAWS provides a command that allows you to select an entire part of a 
web page, select an entire table, or select an entire list. To select an 
entire list, move to the line that reads, "List with x items," and press 
F8. The list is selected and ready to be copied to the clipboard. To 
select an entire table, move to the line that reads, "Table with x 
columns and y rows," and press F8. When selecting a table and copying it 
to the Clipboard, the table formatting is lost. Information from each 
cell of the table starts on a new line.
Note: What is selected is based on where the Virtual Cursor is located, 
so it is important to move to the beginning line of a list or table if 
you want to select the entire list or table. For example, if the Virtual 
Cursor is on a list item, rather than at the top of the list, only that 
list item is selected.

I've used this to quickly copy a whole list or table into the clipboard 
and preserve the formatting of the table or list.

Another thing to try is in the HTML options for JAWS, you might take a 
look at the select and copy option. Here's what it says in the JAWS help:

Select and Copy: This option controls whether or not JAWS will use the 
Text Selection and Copy Commands from the Web browser, e-mail software, 
or other owner of a virtual document.
With the From Virtual Cursor setting, text is copied as plain text 
without formatting, pictures, and HTML attributes.
With the Full Content Using Onscreen Highlight setting, the text and 
elements you select are highlighted onscreen as you press selection keys 
from the keyboard just as it would in programs like word processors. The 
content is then copied with all formatting as in the prior option above. 
The Default setting is: Full Content Using Onscreen Highlight.

I've changed this setting when the formatting of the web page was 
getting in the way of the text I wanted to grab.

Finally, in JAWS, you might want to use place markers to copy text. 
Again, here's what it says in the help files for JAWS:

Selecting Between the Temporary PlaceMarker and the Cursor Position
To select text between a temporary PlaceMarker and your current position 
in a Web page, HTML document, or Word document, do the following:
1. Press CTRL+WINDOWS Key+k to set a temporary PlaceMarker.
2. Navigate to another location on the Web page or document, then press 
INSERT+SPACEBAR, M. All text between the temporary PlaceMarker and your 
current cursor position is selected and ready to be copied to the 
Clipboard.
This method is often easier than using the SHIFT Key in conjunction with 
the ARROW keys when attempting to select large blocks of text.

I haven't used this method much in JAWS, but it's very much like what 
I'm used to in Emacs, and in general, I think is a far superior way to 
copy text.

I'm not a Mac user, but I doubt it's going to work exactly like JAWS 
only better. I'd suspect the learning curve is a bit steeper going from 
JAWS to VoiceOver than it is going from JAWS to NVDA.

On 1/13/2014 3:58 PM, harry brown wrote:
> Hi all,
> Using jaws 12, on a windows 7 laptop.
> I'm so frustrated right now, I could scream!
> I've got enormous work deadlines.
> With jaws, here's the problem. I'm having to select some texst, and so 
> I go into the article and while I'm reading it, I'm selecting text, 
> not alot, but just a bit of text.
> Then, I go to paste it into the questionaire, and the darn thing 
> doesn't paste all of it in. It just pastes it in bits and pieces!
> So, then, I tryed NVDA.
> However, NVDA has it's draw backs too:
> 1. When I press capslock down arrow, or, insert down arrow to read the 
> rest of the article, like I can do using jaws, this darn thing only 
> reads 2 lines and stops.
> Then, the other frustration with NVDA is, when you select text, word 
> by word, this darn thing says "selecting" whatever word, which takes 
> an enormous amount of my time, and seconds count right now!
> I don't want the thing to say "selecting", then what word it selected, 
> I want it to say just the word that it's selecting, then the word 
> "selecting, just like jaws does it.
> Another frustration with NVDA is, you know how jaws will let you 
> append to clipboard? NVDA won't let you. You can try all you want to, 
> and hit windows key c, and nothing gets appended to the clipboard.
> Folks, I'm under extreme deadlines here.
> I've got so much crap going on, and people want what they want, and 
> lives are depending on what I do, in so many ways.
> I don't have time to play footsy with 2 pieces of crap screen readers, 
> (at least that's what I am thinking.
> I do have a question for you mac users. Do any of you folks have these 
> specific issues on the Mac, which I just mentioned earlier?
> Harry
>
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