hello,

as a follow up to mark's info, i would suggest people looking at the
expanded configurations available in both new applications.   for example,
pine now has a "show cursor" configuration choice which, as it does in
lynx, makes the cursor track movement on the screen rather then sitting at
the bottom.   this makes reading menu items much easier with speech.
there are more settings available in both which can have benefit for the
blink user.

regards,

dan