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Kelly Pierce <[log in to unmask]>
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Kelly Pierce <[log in to unmask]>
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Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:07:46 -0600
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In the message below, Pat said:

In most cases, passengers with vision loss are exempt from regulations
requiring passengers to make purchase transit ticket at unattended
vending
machines or kiosks in terminals or stations. This is because ticket
machines are inaccessible to many persons with vision loss.

**What makes this guy such a big expert and his opinion so important?  He
cites no bases for the above statement.  First, most of the policies on
the failure to pay a transit fare are misdemeanor offenses in local
ordinances and enforcement is typically by police who can make arrests
for the crime typically known as turnstile jumping.  The issue is not
simply with transit policy alone.  As for the inaccessibility of transit
card vending machines, it depends on what the community expects.  For
example, here in Chicago we expected and worked with our local transit
agency to provide full access to fare card vending machines when they
were deployed in the mid-1990s.  Every transit card vending machine is
currently fully accessible to the blind.  If someone doesn't know they
need to pay here, I believe locked turnstiles with slots for transit
cards on top are a good hint <grin>.  In other parts of the country,
people may be less organized or have lower expectations of access, even
though all government services have needed to be accessible for the past
20 years and for the last 10 under the ADA.  This is California though,
the place where one transit system once sold a "blind pass" at its
transit vending machines which were fully decked out with Braille labels,
markings, and instructions.

Just because a professional says something is so doesn't mean it is.

Kelly



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> Patrick Ryan is an O&M specialist at Palo Alto Blind Rehabilitation
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> Just want to share the following orientation and mobility
> rehab information regarding public transportation:
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> In most cases, passengers with vision loss are exempt from regulations
> requiring passengers to make purchase transit ticket at unattended
vending
> machines or kiosks in terminals or stations. This is because ticket
> machines are inaccessible to many persons with vision loss.
>
> If the station has a ticket agent working in a ticket booth, then
> passengers with vision loss should purchase ticket prior to boarding.
> However, they are still exempt if unaware of the existence of that
booth.
>
> Because of visual disability, the conductor or driver of the transit
> vehicle is obliged to sell tickes and fares on board to visually
disabled
> passengers without imposing surcharges or extra fees.
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