Ana and others,
As far as moving from one group of options to another while navigating 
within the ribbon, I've found that ctrl-right arrow and ctrl-left arrow 
usually does a decent job in moving from one group to the next.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
www.davidgoldfield.info

On 10/2/2015 8:11 PM, Ana G wrote:
> Thanks for this info.
>
> Jarte is a nice app in that it doesn't drag the system down like Word, 
> so if you need some formatting features without needing a whole lot, 
> it's an option. The developers seem to be aware of accessibility 
> because the program tells me it's in screen reader mode, so when I 
> have a little more time, I'll send them feedback about tables and so on.
>
> I use Open Office sometimes, and it works fairly well for me.
>
> I'll definitely try Stan's suggestion of Text Pad.
>
> I use Word because, as a translator, I sometimes need to deal with 
> advanced formatting. I don't like the ribbons. For screen reader 
> users, they're definitely slower as you can't easily skip past the 
> groups of settings you're not interested in, but I've been working 
> with them long enough that I'm used to them, and I've even memorized 
> some of the long and mostly random sequences of keys needed for 
> features I use frequently.
>
> On 10/2/2015 6:11 AM, Stan Berman wrote:
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Iunderstand your comments re copying content and the formatting 
>> issues.  I
>> do not like Office 2007 and later ribbon menus and  consequently have
>> avoided upgrading to 2010 which I own -- I think the format features you
>> mention  do not apply to Office versions before 2007, although I don't
>> remember whether it was there in 2007 and began in 2010.    I've been
>> considering installing WindowEyes to see how well I like its handling 
>> of the
>> ribbon menus.
>>
>> My bottom line is that I would gladly trade off features that are 
>> nice but
>> never or rarely used for improved usability/accessibility of those 
>> features
>> that are central to the purposes for which products are used.
>>
>> Stan
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 8:11 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: [VICUG-L] Word processing and text editing [was "Re: [VICUG-L]
>> Jarte [was] Finding Docs Created in Word with Jarte"]
>>
>> I'm just responding to one small piece of your message. When pasting 
>> content
>> into a MS Word document, you can use the special paste dialog to 
>> determine
>> if you copy it in as plain text or preserve the formatting from the 
>> original
>> source. You can also change the default behavior. I have it set to 
>> copy text
>> without formatting as the default to avoid the problems you're 
>> talking about
>> below, namely getting mixed formatting in a document that is hard to 
>> sort
>> out for a blind user.
>>
>> I did consider TextPad, but I chose to go with NoteTab Pro myself. It 
>> has
>> some of the same features that you like about TextPad.
>>
>> BTW, it looks like you meant to send your reply to the list and not 
>> just to
>> me, so I'm putting this on the list myself.
>>
>> On 10/02/2015 06:43 AM, Stan Berman wrote:
>>> Sorry, but I am just reading this posting as the first in the thread.
>>> However, I just want to point you to a text editor that is quite
>>> robust and you might try it for free and then if it does what you
>>> want, you can purchase  it to get the tech support or you can 
>>> continue to
>> use it for free.
>>> The program is  TextPad which is a text editor that has lots of 
>>> features.
>>>
>>>    You can create documents in a variety of formats from plain text to
>> HTML.
>>> Although I haven't been using it much for a few years  because of the
>>> character of my needs and I couldn't get it to install on my Windows 7
>>> machine but recently solved that problem, and will resume using it 
>>> more.
>>>
>>>
>>> I haven't tried creating accessible tables in TextPad, but I would
>>> guess that one could easily do it in HTML, just as one could create
>>> lists and headings (H1-H6) and bulleted lists.  You can create macros
>>> within the program and search, find and replace for character strings
>>> concurrently in multiple files (I have done this in several hundred
>>> files at one time and it's quick and easy.
>>>
>>> TextPad, unlike notepad , provides a list of recently used files
>>> making it much more usable than Microsoft's NotePad.
>>>
>>> TextPad can be found at http://www.textpad.com/ -- it is  a UK company
>>> and if you don't pay the  approximately $30-35 fee, you will get some
>>> periodic requests to purchase a license which is worth it.
>>>
>>> I like it  a lot as it doesn't have all those MS Word features that
>>> automatically  do things that create problems for a blind user, e.g.
>>> automatically carrying  unidentified formatting code with copied
>>> content to a new file and then  messing up the  new document's
>>> formatting because you get both format coding together -- so you get
>>> double indents and bullets within indents, or mixed fonts in the
>>> document, and so on, all difficult to discern if you are blind.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are a couple MS Office-like products that might be worth a
>>> look-see, like Open Office and both are supposed to be pretty 
>>> accessible.
>>>
>>> I would also look at WordPerfect -- I had it and preferred it over MS
>>> Office products but couldn't use it with my computer at one point, but
>>> I believe that it may be workable  now and the last version I have and
>>> used had some nice features, like the ability to switch back and forth
>>> between MS Word and WordPerfect modes.  I haven't gotten around to
>>> checking on WordPerfect yet but will do so in the next week or so.
>>> The last time I bought it the cost was just $100 which could be that 
>>> low
>> because I already own a license.
>>> I find MS Outlook to be a royal pain in the neck -- it is creating all
>>> sorts of problems and the ribbon menus are terrible in my opinion.
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> Stan
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Visually Impaired Computer Users' Group List
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 11:48 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] Jarte [was] Finding Docs Created in Word with
>>> Jarte
>>>
>>> So I don't disagree that Jarte isn't a nice program, but if I can't
>>> use it with my screen reader to work with lists, tables, headings and
>>> the like then what's the advantage of using Jarte over something like a
>> text editor?
>>> On 10/01/2015 09:39 PM, Ana G wrote:
>>>> Jarte is hit and miss with formatting.
>>>>
>>>> Both Jaws and NVDA announce bullet and numbers correctly.
>>>>
>>>> In both, you can use the screen reader key and the letter F to hear
>>>> that characters are bolded or italicized.
>>>>
>>>> Neither screen reader seems to detect tables or the rows or columns
>>>> in a table.
>>>>
>>>> when I used the paragraph formatting submenu to automatically indent
>>>> the first line of every paragraph, I couldn't tell the that this was
>>>> working by using the screen reader.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't figured out how to create headings. This may be one of the
>>>> features that comes with the paid version, or it may be buried 
>>>> somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> It's actually a nice little word processor. I hope the accessibility
>>>> kinks can be worked out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/27/2015 7:28 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>>>> How does Jarte and a screen reader do with announcing advanced
>>>>> formatting attributes like headings, lists and tables?
>>>>
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