Harry,

How does this rant apply to what I wrote?

If sighted people do not purchase the few talking products that are released into the general market, that is their choice as consumers. If you, as a consumer, wish to purchase one of these talking products during its limited lifespan, that is your choice as a consumer.

If you wish for talking products that other consumers will not buy, you can have those products designed and built for you if you can afford it. At no point in any of this is there any talk about threats or killing people sa"e for in your fantasies.

Finally, if you wish for fully accessible products for the blind, there are a few companies which make these products. Because the market is so small, the products are quite expensive. Perhaps because government purchases most of these products, they are even more expensive. I have seen posts from former employees of some companies which suggest this. As my late father used to say, "What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?" 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 4 Dec 2013, at 9:10, "Harry Brown" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> While I understand what you are saying, I take great exception to it.
> I have a source, very high up in the government, who has told me he wants to remain anonimous, because there are people who can't stand him, and they have threatened his life, but he's right. He said this statement, "Harry, unless the disabled people of this nation rise up and file complaints, nothing will change, and the disabled, will no longer be a factor in anything, not just in products, but in anything, from public access of things, to health care, etc.
> If we, the disabled, (not just the blind), don't rise up, we'll be forgotten.
> They're killing the disabled in the Netherlands right now. I will not sit around and just take it, I will be one of those people who that source said we need to be.
> I don't care about the size of the market.
> Are people people, and worthy of human dignity, and worthy of access, and worthy of respect, or not?
> We live in a society that throws away lives, from the disabled, to the unborn.
> This person is not going to sit down and shut up and take it.
> I will do what I've done for years, and got results.
> Harry
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: David Chittenden
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 1:56 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] Radios for visual impaired
> 
> Ok, a brief lesson in market sizes and the blind.
> 
> Legally blind is approximately 0.5% of the population. This includes people who can read large print, and is the same as one person out of every 200 people is legally blind. When we go to no vision or just light perception, it is 0.1% of the population, or only one out of every 1000 people is at this level. The fact is, sighted people do not like having their items yabbering at them all, or even, part of the time. Every company which puts out talking products almost always finds those products being the worse sellers of their product lines. In other words, though we blind people like having products that talk to us incessantly, sighted people generally do not, and they vote with their wallets. Given the excessively high costs to set up a production run, companies need to either sell many products for a decently affordable price, or sell a few products at excessively high prices. Until or unless we blind people are able to pay thousands of dollars per unit, these talking products will usually be around for very limited durations. In other words, if you hear about a talking product you think you might want, buy it quickly, whilst you have the chance, because the odds are, the company is not going to sell enough to make the product viable in the market.
> 
> Currently, Apple is the exception that proves the rule. Apple is the only large consumer electronics company which puts accessibility into all of its consumer electronics product interfaces.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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>> On 4 Dec 2013, at 6:36, "Duane S. Farrar" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> Bill,
>> 
>> What is the name of that other company and do you know what the radio will
>> be called? Is there a way to pre-order the radio now? Why was the Insignia
>> Narrator discontinued? If I am reading the web pages correctly it was only
>> released in 2012. Sorry for the multiple questions!
>> 
>> Duane
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pasco" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] Radios for visual impaired
>> 
>> 
>> The radio Ted speaks of is the Narrator from Best Buy. It has been
>> discontinued, however, a new virtually identical radio is expected to be
>> released by a different company in January. It does indeed tell you what
>> station you are on as you tune up or down. It also has presets, a talking
>> alarm clock and other nice features.
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Visually Impaired Computer Users' Group List
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of ted chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 7:40 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] Radios for visuall impaired
>> 
>> Jerome:
>> While I have never heard or seen a radio that called out the name of a
>> station as you tuned, I do know of one HD receiver (the name of which
>> escapes me now, but it's the one that the Sun Sounds Radio Reading Service
>> in Arizona provides to its blind and visually impaired listeners) that will
>> call out the frequency and which numbered digital channel you are on as you
>> move up and down the dial.
>> --
>> Ted Chittenden
>> 
>> Every story has at least two sides if not more.
>> ---- Jerome Silverbush <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Is there any such thing as a radio that calls out the stations as you turn
>> the tuning knob?
>> Thanks Jerome Silverbush
>> 
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