Hi valerie, Hear! Hear! To para-phrase what Flip Wilson said years
ago- "What you see is what you get." ... "What you use is all you pay
for."
Ciao, Gordon Wahl
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Valerie Lewis wrote:
>
> To all,
>
> Sighted people are always going to be able to do certain things that people
> who are blind cannot.
>
> I agree with both sides of this argument. People who are not blind have
> access to an enormous amount of cell phone features that people who are
> blind will most likely never have access to. However, that does not mean
> that we should not keep trying. I have responded before to this strand about
> free directory assistance. A short while back I mentioned that Verizon had
> told me that being no one drives around with a telephone book in order to
> look up numbers, then they are not denying me access. However, most people
> can indeed keep a bunch of numbers in memory and pull them up when they need
> them. I cannot do that.
>
> I pay the same money for a cell phone that sighted people are paying, yet
> the only feature I get to use (with some difficulty, I might add) is to dial
> a phone number. I do not believe this could in any way shape or form can be
> considered equal access.
>
> If the phone companies cannot provide people who are blind with equal
> access, maybe they should be giving us a greatly discounted rate for the
> limited amount of services we have access to.
>
> Valerie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VICUG-L: Visually Impaired Computer Users' Group List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ted Chittenden
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:59 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Update on Sprint PCS free directory assistance
>
> Hi to all. I was speaking with my brother David on this subject, and he
> made an interesting point about sighted access on cellular phones. He said
> that some cellular phone companies include limited web access along with
> their service, and that sighted people could look up numbers on any number
> of complementary Yellow pages posted on the Internet instead of calling
> information. Unfortunately, since the vast majority of cell phones do not
> speak to us, we as blind people do not have the same access. Until such
> time as that kind of access is available on all cellular telephones, I would
> recommend (at least temporarily) giving us free access to Information calls.
>
> That's all for now. To all, take care.
>
> Ted Chittenden
>
> >From: Harvey Boots <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: Harvey Boots <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Update on Sprint PCS free directory assistance
> >Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 19:34:23 -0500
> >
> >Terri,
> >
> >I don't entirely agree with your reasoning. When traveling with their cell
> >phone, sighted persons have options that we don't. That is, they can use
> >telephone books that are available at pay phones and when in stores or
> >other establishments, they can ask to use phone books to look up numbers.
> >Busy clerks will often have time to loan a person a phone book, but not
> >have the time to look up telephone numbers, especially if you want to look
> >up more than one number.
> >
> >Also, using your reasoning, long distance telephone companies would not
> >need to provide free directory assistance because they don't provide phone
> >books for all locations throughout the U.S. Yet they provide free
> >directory assistance to the blind.
> >
> >Harvey Boots
> >
> >
> > ---- Original Message ------
> >From: Terri Hedgpeth <[log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Update on Sprint PCS free directory assistance
> >Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:41:36 -0700
> >
> >Hey, wait a minute. Where did this sense of entitlement come from. The only
> >reason wired lan lines offer free directory assistance is because it
> >provides equal access for blind persons to their published print phone
> >book.
> >There isn't a published print directory that wireless companies provide for
> >their customers. Thus, sighted have to pay for directory assistants, so why
> >not blind people. That is reverse discrimination. I am blind and I hope
> >others will join me in speaking out against this.
> >
> >
> >
> >_________________________________
> >Terri Hedgpeth
> >Disability Specialist .
> >Disability Resources for Students
> >Arizona State University
> >Tempe, AZ 85287-3202
> >(480) 965-1232 (v)
> >(480) 965-0441 (fax)
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:28 AM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Update on Sprint PCS free directory assistance
> >
> >
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> >Hello, everyone:
> >I received my second call from the executive operations office of Sprint
> >PCS
> >this morning. For those of you who don't recall the details, I filed an
> >FCC
> >complaint against Sprint PCS for their failure to provide free directory
> >assistance and connectivity for those of us in the blind community.
> >
> >Most established land line companies waive the fees with only a signed
> >directive, so why not the cellular folks? I am aware that some wired line
> >services
> >(other than SBC) make a fuss, but they'll remove the charges if you call
> >them
> >and give them a gentle push. But, you have to do it every month.
> >
> >Again, Sprint PCS contends there's no FCC requirement for free cellular
> >directory assistance and connectivity, but on their own, they are willing
> >to
> >do an
> >engineering feasibility study -- and they're willing to spend the dollars
> >to
> >reach the goal of better service for blind cellular phone users. There are
> >multiple directory assistance companies throughout the nation, depending
> >what
> >satellite is closest to the caller, and some may be out of business by the
> >time
> >Sprint PCS asks if they'll come on board.
> >
> >Sprint's initial talks with some of them said, "Sure, we'll be glad to get
> >on
> >the bandwagon." I suggested to the coordinator a positive outcome could
> >provide great PR, therefore increase sales and service, yadda, yadda,
> >yadda.
> >
> >I'll wait to see where this goes. Perhaps one day the FCC will say this
> >should be a requirement of all cellular service providers, so please stay
> >tuned.
> >
> >BTW: No animals were killed to send you this update and no charges for time
> >were made to eBlind. It's just a bit of a Thursday diversion...
> >Sheila
> >Sheila R. Ashcraft, eBlind! Outreach Coordinator
> >PO Box 430209, Pontiac, MI 48343-0209
> >(248) 334-4329 Voice (248) 334-2226 Fax
> >e-Mail Address: [log in to unmask]
> >(If this e-mail requires a response, please do so promptly. Thanks.)
> >
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> ><HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D4 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"
> >FACE=
> >=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>Hello, everyone:<BR
> >I received my second call from the executive operations office of Sprint
> >PCS=
> > this morning. For those of you who don't recall the details, I
> >filed=20=
> >an FCC complaint against Sprint PCS for their failure to provide free
> >direct=
> >ory assistance and connectivity for those of us in the blind community. <BR
> ><BR
> >Most established land line companies waive the fees with only a signed
> >direc=
> >tive, so why not the cellular folks? I am aware that some wired line
> >s=
> >ervices (other than SBC) make a fuss, but they'll remove the charges if
> >you=20=
> >call them and give them a gentle push. But, you have to do it every
> >month.&n=
> >bsp; <BR
> ><BR
> >Again, Sprint PCS contends there's no FCC requirement for free cellular
> >dire=
> >ctory assistance and connectivity, but on their own, they are willing to
> >do=20=
> >an engineering feasibility study -- and they're willing to spend the
> >dollars=
> > to reach the goal of better service for blind cellular phone users.
> >T=
> >here are multiple directory assistance companies throughout the nation,
> >depe=
> >nding what satellite is closest to the caller, and some may be out of
> >busine=
> >ss by the time Sprint PCS asks if they'll come on board. <BR
> ><BR
> >Sprint's initial talks with some of them said, "Sure, we'll be glad to get
> >o=
> >n the bandwagon." I suggested to the coordinator a positive outcome
> >co=
> >uld provide great PR, therefore increase sales and service, yadda, yadda,
> >ya=
> >dda. <BR
> ><BR
> >I'll wait to see where this goes. Perhaps one day the FCC will say
> >thi=
> >s <U>should</U> be a requirement of all cellular service providers, so
> >pleas=
> >e stay tuned. <BR
> ><BR
> >BTW: No animals were killed to send you this update and no charges for
> >time=20=
> >were made to eBlind. It's just a bit of a Thursday diversion...
> ></FONT=
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> >SI=
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> >Sheila R. Ashcraft, eBlind! Outreach Coordinator <BR
> >PO Box 430209, Pontiac, MI 48343-0209<BR
> >(248) 334-4329 Voice (248) 334-2226 Fax<BR
> >e-Mail Address: [log in to unmask]<BR
> >(If this e-mail requires a response, please do so promptly.
> >Thanks.)</=
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> ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hey, wait a minute. Where did this sense of =
> >entitlement come from. The only reason wired lan lines offer free =
> >directory assistance is because it provides equal access for blind =
> >persons to their published print phone book. There isn't a published =
> >print directory that wireless companies provide for their customers. =
> >Thus, sighted have to pay for directory assistants, so why not blind =
> >people. That is reverse discrimination. I am blind and I hope others =
> >will join me in speaking out against this.</FONT></P
> ><BR
> ><BR
> >
> ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>_________________________________</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Terri Hedgpeth</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Disability Specialist .</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Disability Resources for Students</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Arizona State University</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Tempe, AZ 85287-3202</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(480) 965-1232 (v)</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(480) 965-0441 (fax)</FONT
> ></P
> ><BR
> ><BR
> >
> ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: [log in to unmask] [<A =
> >HREF=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:[log in to unmask]</A>=
> >]</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:28 AM</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: [log in to unmask]</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Update on Sprint PCS free directory =
> >assistance</FONT
> ></P
> ><BR
> >
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> ></P
> >
> ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hello, everyone:</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I received my second call from the executive =
> >operations office of Sprint PCS</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>this morning. For those of you who don't =
> >recall the details, I filed an FCC</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>complaint against Sprint PCS for their failure to =
> >provide free directory</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>assistance and connectivity for those of us in the =
> >blind community.</FONT
> ></P
> >
> ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Most established land line companies waive the fees =
> >with only a signed</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>directive, so why not the cellular folks? I am =
> >aware that some wired line services</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(other than SBC) make a fuss, but they'll remove the =
> >charges if you call them</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and give them a gentle push. But, you have to do it =
> >every month.</FONT
> ></P
> >
> ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Again, Sprint PCS contends there's no FCC requirement =
> >for free cellular</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>directory assistance and connectivity, but on their =
> >own, they are willing to do an</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>engineering feasibility study -- and they're willing =
> >to spend the dollars to</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>reach the goal of better service for blind cellular =
> >phone users. There are</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>multiple directory assistance companies throughout =
> >the nation, depending what</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>satellite is closest to the caller, and some may be =
> >out of business by the time</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sprint PCS asks if they'll come on board.</FONT
> ></P
> >
> ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sprint's initial talks with some of them said, =
> >"Sure, we'll be glad to get on</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the bandwagon." I suggested to the =
> >coordinator a positive outcome could</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>provide great PR, therefore increase sales and =
> >service, yadda, yadda, yadda.</FONT
> ></P
> >
> ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'll wait to see where this goes. Perhaps one =
> >day the FCC will say this</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>should be a requirement of all cellular service =
> >providers, so please stay tuned.</FONT
> ></P
> >
> ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>BTW: No animals were killed to send you this update =
> >and no charges for time</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>were made to eBlind. It's just a bit of a =
> >Thursday diversion...</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sheila</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sheila R. Ashcraft, eBlind! Outreach =
> >Coordinator</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>PO Box 430209, Pontiac, MI 48343-0209</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(248) 334-4329 Voice (248) 334-2226 Fax</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>e-Mail Address: [log in to unmask]</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(If this e-mail requires a response, please do so =
> >promptly. Thanks.)</FONT
> ></P
> >
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> >board.&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT
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> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sprint's initial talks with some of them said, =
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> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'll wait to see where this goes.&nbsp; Perhaps =
> >one day the FCC will say thi=3D</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>s <U>should</U> be a requirement of all =
> >cellular service providers, so pleas=3D</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>e stay tuned.&nbsp; <BR></FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><BR></FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>BTW: No animals were killed to send you this update =
> >and no charges for time=3D20=3D</FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>were made to eBlind.&nbsp; It's just a bit of a =
> >Thursday diversion... </FONT=3D</FONT
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> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sheila R. Ashcraft, eBlind! Outreach =
> >Coordinator&nbsp; <BR></FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>PO Box 430209, Pontiac, MI =
> >48343-0209<BR></FONT
> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(248) 334-4329 Voice (248) 334-2226 =
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> ><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>e-Mail Address:&nbsp; =
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