Greetings Anna & list--
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From: "generalstuff" <[log in to unmask]>
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It is Internet Explorer that has been changed to now fail to put the
embedded objects into the clipboard along with the text (whether you use
mouse or keyboard - I tried Ctrl+C in IE also).

This forces Word 2003 out to the internet for a link.  Of course, you can't
read the document again without going to the internet to resolve the link to
the image (since it is no longer embedded in the text).

Which makes perfect sense for MS's purposes - MS can affect ALL programs
that can receive internet pastes from the clipboard by removing this feature
from IE (for IE users).  It would make even older programs such as Word 2000
refuse to paste without internet access.  Of course, it would also make
non-internet aware apps (like Wordpad) just plain not work for the purpose
at all (until MS changes that too).   MS is determined to eventually have
complete access to our PCs through the applications we run.  Older apps,
such as Word 2000 don't have the code to provide the kind of access MS
wants, but the newer ones (Word 2003) do and will.  Most software vendors,
naturally, are all for it.  The original idea of "Trustworthy Computing" was
to eliminate piracy by providing MS and other vendors with the ability to
remotely disable their applications on our PCs and delete files created with
their applications from our PCs via code in their applications which can be
accessed if we are forced to give the apps internet access.  The
"Trustworthy" means trustworthy for vendors, not for you and me.  The
implications of the ability to do such a thing AT ALL is the
Orwell-type-of-scary.

I asked a Microsoft rep what would happen if I forgot to activate my copy of
Word 2003, and she said to me, "We would disable your PC" - her words
verbatim.  Of course, I don't think they are at that point yet, but that is
the goal of Longhorn's "Trustworthy Computing" and the "Fritz Chip" that
will be hardwired into future motherboards to prevent your bypassing it all
with hacks.  I hate it, because from the trial I like Word 2003, but I'm
going back to Word 2000.  And I'm still looking for what do do about the new
version of IE's copy problems.

I'm wondering if other browsers, such as Firefox will cut text with embedded
objects to the clipboard - anybody know?  They wouldn't have the same
motivation to remove that feature that MS has.

AnnaSummers
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I don't know how much MS wants to control all of our computers, but my
experience in a middle school where students would frequently want to copy
the contents of a web page to a document indicate(-d, -s) that often it is
necessary to right-click on displayed images, then save them to the local
computer, in order to insert -> picture -> from file in Word (or some other
word processor--we have MS Office as our county-wide productivity suite).
This has been the case at least since IE 5.x, and, in my experience, hasn't
changed in later versions. I suspect that the evolution of HTML editing and
production of web pages (with apps like FrontPage, Dreamweaver, .asp pages,
and other) may have made this save-and-insert process more necessary than it
used to be.

FWIW.

Paul A. Shippert
Library Media Specialist
Margaret Brent Middle School

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