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Kenny Brown <[log in to unmask]>
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Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:55:50 -0800
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Thank you so much Dr. Kim.  I'm glad there is someone
from your field to represent here.  As for Spiritus
and other nasayers,  continue with your disbelief--and
your pain.

Dr. Kim,  know of any good D.C.'s in Tuscon?

--- "Dr. Kim Shunkwiler" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Where do I start? Let us start with training and
> experience: The average
> osteopathic college provides 142 hours of training
> in manipulation; the
> average chiropractic college provides 465 hours of
> training in
> manipulation. Most osteopaths rely on drug therapy
> first with less than
> 10% of their patients getting manipulated.
> Approximately 100% of all
> chiropractic patients get manipulated. Of the over
> 90 million claims for
> manipulation presented to insurance companies, 94%
> were by chiropractor
> and 4 % by osteopaths. Would you go to a brain
> surgeon who only does it
> part time?
>
> Every few months I have an osteopath spend a morning
> or afternoon with
> me so he can learn manipulative procedures. He
> admits that his training
> in manipulation was lacking.
>
> Effectiveness: I thought that, at this point, the
> research proving the
> effectiveness of chiropractic was beyond being
> questioned. Go to
> http://www.mbnet.mb.ca/~jwiens/manga.html and read
> the executive summary
> of the Manga Report.
>
> The thought that all a chiropractor is trying to do
> is "make noise" is
> ridiculous. Researchers are discovering more, almost
> daily. about the
> histological changes that happen after a joint is
> subjected to a high
> force, low amplitude adjustment.
>
> Now, you picked a good day to say that: "there is
> much more to the human
> structure than a chiropractor cares to admit" and
> then imply that all I
> do is basically try to make noise and overlook
> everything else
> concerning my patient. I would like to relate to you
> several cases that
> have happened in my office just this morning.
>
> First, my wife's 86 yo aunt called to thank me for
> helping her. On
> Monday she was brought to my office with severe pain
> in her left
> shoulder. She said that it was the worst pain she
> had ever experienced.
> This from a lady who has, literally, been run over
> by both a bus and
> several years later by a car!. She had just left her
> osteopath's office
> with a pain medication and a suggestion for her to
> get "pain
> management". A quick exam indicated a problem at C6.
> Some very gentle
> manipulation and energy work combined with
> homeopathic Rescue Remedy
> calmed her down and decreased the pain by about 60%.
> I then gave her
> some proteolytic enzymes to help eliminate the
> inflammation and sent her
> home. By yesterday the pain was almost all gone and
> today it is gone.
> No need to spend a ton of money on drugs and therapy
> as recommended by
> her osteopath.
>
> Second, a register nurse from one of the most
> "prestigious" hospital
> here in the Detroit area. She was treated by the
> "best modern medicine
> has to offer" to rid her of her low back and leg
> pain. After that didn't
> work she was offered "pain management" before they
> would resort to
> surgery. I had her pain free within 2 weeks.
>
> Third, My kid's counselor from high school. She
> suffered since March of
> this year with low back and sciatic pain. She was
> diagnosed with
> stenosis of the vertebral canal. She was 40%
> improved after her 1st
> treatment and today said she was 100% pain free. She
> did not have a
> stenosis. She had a muscle imbalance created by a
> hypertonic masseter
> muscle. After this was corrected, the body could
> then take over and heal
> itself. Her osteopath, who "treats the whole
> person", neglected to check
> the whole person.
>
> Fourth, a 5 yo boy who saw me 3 weeks ago with a
> facial rash he has had
> for  over 3 years! This morning he was in and the
> rash is gone. His
> osteopath treated him with steroids for the rash! I
> adjusted him and
> gave him a homeopathic remedy - his mother said the
> rash started
> improving within hours and was gone within a week.
>
> The sad part is, that, this was just this morning! I
> have similar
> stories every day in this office. How many other
> chiropractic offices in
> this country are experiencing the same thing? How
> many people are
> suffering because of ignorance and ill-founded
> preconceived ideas?
> Probably the same number of people who believe in
> RDA's and the food
> pyramid.
>
> I apologize for the mini rant I'm on here but, there
> are days the
> frustration level rises to an almost uncontrollable
> level.
>
> Dr. Kim
>
> Spiritus Lacrimabundus wrote:
>
> > >From my experience, consult an Osteopath before
> > heading to a Chiropractor. D.D. Palmer took some
> of
> > A.T. Stills principles and developed Chiropractics
> and
> > MARKETED it with great success.
> >
> > The "cracking" sound that Chiros look for don't
> mean a
> > thing. It's just gas. Just like when you crack
> > knuckles.
> >
> > There's much more to the human structure than the
> > Chiros care to admite. A.T. Stills Osteopathic
> > principles threat the cause, not the symptom and
> see
> > the human as a whole.
> >
> > It's fluid, it's smooth. No repeated visists.
> >
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