I have my own pet theories about human social evolution. Man's
closest relative is the bonobo. We share 99% of our genes with them. Their
socio-sexual arrangement is much more to my liking. Check this out:
http://songweaver.com/info/bonobos.html
> >Ginny wrote....
> >>
> >>Now about this fantasy bit:
> >>How 'bout both of them (Dori and Michael) and I communally tearing a beast
> >>to bits and
> >>devouring it as a prelude to an energetic celebration of basic instincts in
> >>healthy bodies?
> >
> >Hmm, did cave people have group sex? I would try to say manage-a- trois but
> >I don't know how to spell it.
> >
> >Dori Zook ;)~
>
> Well, I just read an article about humans having learned their social
> skills from dogs and wolves. The supposition was that it was the canids who
> "invited" men into their circle. Now, if these pack orders were carried
> into human life, only the alpha pair would breed, and any accidental
> offspring from other females would be destroyed by the group in a ritual.
> What we have to figure out is if we started pairing off and becoming bonded
> with one mate early on, and if we did, if that would preclude casual sex
> the way folks like to pretend it does now. Lucy may have had more to offer
> than tubers...
>
> ginny and Tomo
>
> All stunts performed without a net!
>
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>
> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:25:44 -0400
> From: Amadeus Schmidt <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: VitA, B12, and white cheese etc.
>
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:27:48 -0400, matesz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> about:
>
> >Teeth:
> >Blood:
> >Eyes:
> (btw. you forgot to mention the important function that vitamin A has
> in the imune system)
>
> If you read a text about a lack of any vitamin, you'll really be alarmed
> about the desatrous effects any shortcomeings have.
> As vitamins are *really* essential, what happens if they are missing or
> even low in supply is essentially a onset of death.
>
> I think vitamins - and the other essentials are really worth to think about
> and for me, they form a basic POV on nutrition - also paleonutrition.
> And there are vitmins with long and with short storage capacities.
> Those with a short storage time have a even more urgent demand of
> a constant supply.
>
> You are posting this Vitamin A infos probably,
> because you are suggesting that vitamin A synthetisation capacity from the
> pre-Vitamins (carotenes) is too low for vegans to survive.
> However for *this* claim I'm still missing any references, except that one
> study of a isolated situation cited by Cordain, and despite the successful
> survival of many vegans > 6 months without becomeing blind.
>
> Btw. also those on a neanderthin meat based nutrition need to be concerned
> about vitamin A. Means: have to eat liver, kidney, egg or fish regularly.
> Because meat is devoid of vitamin A and dairy (a usual source for standard
> dieters) falls out for them (according to Ray's interpretation).
>
> >Re B12, from the same textbook, p. 317:
> >
> >"Anyone who eats reasonable amounts of meat is guaranteed an adequate
> >intake [of B12] , and lacto-ovo-vegetarians (if they use enough milk,
> >cheese, and eggs) are also protected from deficiency.
>
> B12 is a different thing IMO, becaused early primates (and hominids)
> ate at least some percent of insects.
> Which some (and I) discard for some reason.
> Although they are *real* paleo foods.
> Despite paleo, i prefered some b12 injections over "enough" insects
> or other paleo animals.
>
> >MILK is an animal product, it comes from flesh, in fact it is right to call
> >it liquid flesh, not much unlike blood. It contains ANIMAL PROTEIN ...
> >TRUE preformed vit A, and active B12.
>
> Of course of course. And it's designed for baby mammals, who's metabolism
> doesn't work with the same capacity as of adults.
> It has everything, you find in a careful sorted collection of the best meat
> (or better whole animal).
>
> >Since neither milk nor cheese is a vegetable, no one who eats milk or
> >cheese is truly a vegetarian.
>
> Thank you for your kind suggestion, how others are supposed to call
> themselves.
>
> > Therefore, no one who eats cheese (no matter what color it is)
> >even occasionally can consider him or her self a test case for the
> >nutritional adequacy of a purely vegetarian diet.
>
> Such "purely vegetarian" is called vegan, as i've occasionally heard, btw..
> Although vegan babies drinking their mothers milk (or from other nurses?)
> are still - are they still vegan then? Or mammals?
> Or mamma-vegan? Or vegemammatarians?
> They really ought to stop after some years. Or the definition may be in
> danger.
>
> I cannot be considered a test case?
> Sounds like an insurance against a positive b12-test in me.
> I resign from any claim to be a test case and never wanted to be.
> I just care for myself and people choosing a similar diet.
> I consider a deficiency possible, because i assume a small part of small
> animals to have been a really long term part of primate's diet.
> And because I'm eating much less cheese as was necessary to achieve any RDA
> recommendations (maybe 100g once a week).
>
> >People who don't walk their talk are annoying.
> >
> >Don
>
> Not everybody understands nutrition based on genetic adaption ("paleo")
> in the same way. Especially not as Ray Audette does.
> And even his outlines don't remind me very much to "naked with a sharp
> stick".
> I still want to see the man or woman approaching a wild boar, or a bison
> naked with a "sharp" stick. Dig a trap with the stick?
> Has someone seen a naked Inuit hunting?
> Well, Neanderthals must have done exactely this
> (they only had the "stick" as weapon). But not naked.
>
> A repetition about what i talk(ed) on cheese:
> 1.As humans are mammals, they are perfectely adapted to digesting milk.
> And milk is the perfect food for a growing mammal.
> Consuming milk in ages > 3 or from animals is a derivation from this.
> 2.People of "western" (european, kaukasian) descent were exposed to whole
> life dairy usage of goat and sheep since about 6400 years. This kind of
> nutrition obviously was very successful in the 6400 year test.
> 3.Even natural hunters of mammals use to consume small amounts of the milk
> of mother animals and cheese-like substance from child animals.
>
> Conclusion on dairy consumation: moderate amounts, preferrably from sheep
> and goat are ok. Not to be processed with any kind of conservatives or
> additives. Fresh, no bacteria. Acidophilus cultures (similar to gut
> population) probably ok. No fat extraction (reason like any other energy
> extraction e.g. sugar), this means no butter or cream.
> Butter may be essential for meat consumers (pure energy necessary).
>
> Amadeus Schmidt
> Eat like naked with a stick and a stone.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:39:10 -0400
> From: Amadeus Schmidt <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Introduction
>
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:41:12 -0700, ginny wilken <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> >.. I'm
> >not gonna bother engaging Amadeus; it's what he lives for:)
>
> And here you go.
> But that's not what i enjoy. I'm known as the one who always finds the
> agreeable solution.
>
> How nice were the early time, before i outed me to be vegetarian.
> Vegetarians seem to be an attack for their mere existance.
> For some.
>
> >How 'bout both of them and I communally tearing a beast to bits and
> >devouring it as a prelude to an energetic celebration of basic instincts in
> >healthy bodies?
>
> That's a serious question: don't you feel *tired* (in your healthy bodies)
> after devouring a beast teared to bits? Maybe if raw or if cooked?
>
> I personally encounter (a little) tiredness only after eating really much of
> cooked food, but never from raw.
>
> Some celebrations work really better feeling energetic, hope your beast
> will work out this way.
>
> Amadeus
>
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