On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Andy wrote:

> Physics is concerned with what lies within the universe. The study of what lies
> outside of the universe may be amusing, but it is not science, as science
> requires observation, and what lies outside the universe is not observable, by
> definition.

You believe, then, that the cosmological efforts of people such
as Hawking and Guth, since they deal with unobservable events
(e.g., the generation of universes from nothing) are not science?
Let's get them out of the science textbooks then.  Even Guth
concedes that the laws of nature must be regarded as outside th
euniverse, in order to make sense of the claim that they explain
universes arising out of nothing.

> One can not say that ID theory makes no assumptions about the
> identity of the designer and is also scientific.

Why not?

> If ID theory is scientific,
> then any designer must reside within the universe.

And that is perfectly possible, for all that ID theory has to say
about it, and also assuming that we can make this
"inside/outside" boundary that you are talking about
intelligible.

Todd Moody
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